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William Lord - Publican
« on: Monday 28 July 14 11:27 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

I’d appreciate any assistance you can provide on this one.

One of my wife’s ancestors is William Lord (1788-1871 in Lew, Oxfordshire).
Wife: Mary (possibly Bannister)
Son: Henry James Lord (1841-1883) – amongst others (Mary, Elizabeth, William, James, Pamela, John, Edwin, Edward)

My research led me to believe that William was a publican and I managed to track him down to The Herd of Swine (now the Lord Kitchener) in Curbridge, Oxfordshire.

However, yesterday, I found the document below, which appears to indicate that William also managed another pub close by called The Swan. What’s confusing me is that this website suggests that he was born in Exeter, Devon.

“In 1850 William Lord, a publican from Devon, came to The Swan. The 1851 census shows that he was born in Exeter, was 63 years old, had a 40year-old son, also called William, and a 36-year-old daughter called Sarah who had the same name as her mother. Previously William Lord had been landlord of The Herd of Swine at Curbridge. As nowadays publicans moved around from one inn to another.”http://eynsham-pc.gov.uk/documents/eynsham_inns.pdf

This website suggests the same: http://pubhistory.co.uk/Oxfordshire/Eynsham/SwanHotel.shtml

I haven’t see a census record showing Exeter. All my census records show William and being born in Lew. Any idea what I’m doing wrong? Have missed something?

I’ve emailed the author of the document, but I’m yet to receive a response.

Thanks in advance

Marc
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Re: William Lord - Publican
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 July 14 11:38 BST (UK) »
The 1871 census (at least!) shows 2 William Lord's in Oxfordshire - hence the confusion! ;D

Class: RG10; Piece: 1452; Folio: 33; Page: 6
Curbridge, Witney, Oxfordshire

Shows William Lord, 83, Licensed Victualler, at "The Herd of Swine", born Lew.


Class: RG10; Piece: 1450; Folio: 92; Page: 8
Northleigh, Oxfordshire

Shows William Lord, 83, Yeoman, born Exeter
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: William Lord - Publican
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 July 14 11:43 BST (UK) »
1851 census:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1731; Folio: 499; Page: 10
Curbridge, Witney, Oxfordshire

William Lord, age 63, Inn Keeper, b Lew


Class: HO107; Piece: 1731; Folio: 99; Page: 26
Ensham, Oxfordshire

William Lord, 63, Publican, b Exeter
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 July 14 11:48 BST (UK) »
1861 census:
Class: RG 9; Piece: 906; Folio: 39; Page: 15
Herd of Swine, Curbridge, Witney, Oxon

William Lord, 74, Victualler, b Lew


Class: RG 9; Piece: 904; Folio: 92; Page: 11
Northleigh, Oxon

William Lord, 73, Farmer of 14 Acres, b Exeter
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


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Re: William Lord - Publican
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 July 14 11:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the quick replies.

I'm pretty sure that the William Lord born in Lew is the one who's line flows down to our family. His son, Henry James, moved to Yorkshire which all makes sense to us.

The question is, which William ran the pubs? Perhaps William (Lew) ran The Herd of Swine and William (Exeter) ran The Swan.

Maybe the reserach paper and pubhistory webste have mixed thing sup (what are the chances of them both being wrong!).
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 July 14 12:20 BST (UK) »
Have you not followed Henry James back through the censuses?

Henry James Lord:
1881, in Bowling, Yorkshire, married to Susannah.   Born 1841, Chilson
1871, in Godmanchester, Huntingdonshire, married to Emma.   Born 1839, Chilson
1861?
1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1732; Folio: 169; Page: 14
Chilson, Chilson & Pudicott, Oxfordshire

Lord, John  Head  Widower  M  40  Farmer's Labourer  b Brize Norton, Oxfordshire
Lord, Henry  Son  M  12  Scholar  b Chilson
Lord, Charlotte  Daughter  F  10  Scholar  b Minster, Oxfordshire
Lord, George  Son  M  7  Scholar  b Chilson
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Re: William Lord - Publican
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 July 14 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Yes, I've followed Henry James up to William Lord (Lew) and all the way down to my relatives.

I thought my William Lord (Lew) was the manager of The Herd of Swine but the research paper suggests it was the other William Lord.

hmmmm
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Re: William Lord - Publican
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 July 14 15:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

[Enhanced with refs from KG's posts]

You say, "I thought my William Lord (Lew) was the manager of The Herd of Swine". He was.
Whether he is the father of your Henry is still in doubt (to me)

According to census returns, an individual named William Lord, b Lew ran a pub, in Curbridge, as the Publican(1841) HO107 872 33 8 Page7, Curbridge, William Lord, 50, Publican, bic
InnKeeper(1851)HO107 1731 499 Page10 Curbridge, William Lord, 63, Inn Keeper, b Lew ,
Victualler(1861) RG 9 906 39 Page15 Herd of Swine, Curbridge, William Lord, 74, Victualler, b Lew

with sons James. Edward, Edwin in all 3 census returns. (Varying others are with them) .
1861 names the pub that they are in as "The Herd of Swine". As does . . . .
LicensedVictualler(1871) RG10 1452 33 Page6 Curbridge William Lord 83 b Lew

A son named on the 1841 census as Henry, only appears in 1841 at age "4 months".
Even though his mother appears in 1851, he does not appear.
Neither does he appear in 1861.

How do you tie him (your Henry) back to this William and Mary Lord?


Something worthy of noting is that with William & Mary Lord, in 1851, is a niece Maria Lord 18 born Coate
(Cote, Ox is just up the road)
Daughter of William's brother Richard?


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« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 July 14 15:39 BST (UK) »


Apparently, Maria has a brother Henry b 1844.


Ray
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