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completely and utterly baffled!
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 12:20 BST (UK) »
Can anybody help? I'm stuck trying to trace Irene Julianna Kelly, born 1829 in Bath. I've found her in 1841 (no middle name listed)living with her mother and siblings in Walcot in Bath. She then completely vanishes, neither marrying nor dying, but not appearing on any other census.
Then in 1901, in Walcot, in Bath, appears Irene Goulston, a widow of the right age.
She too has neither married anybody or died that I can find, and doesn't appear on any other censuses. I've tried everything I can think of to link these two as the same person but to no avail.
Any suggestions welcome!!!
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Re: completely and utterly baffled!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 September 14 13:18 BST (UK) »
The 1841 is interesting - raises all sorts of questions!

1841
Cornwell buildings, Walcot
Anna Kelly 40 leather seller N
Cecilia 15 Y
Leonora 15 Y
William 14 Y
Irene 12 Y
Euphemia 10 Y
Othelia 7
Lyndetesa? 5 Y
Delphina 1 Y
Treelore Flowers 45 shoebinder Y. (Or may be Holmes?)
N.K Kelly 5 days Y


Relationships arent given in 1841, but one does wonder who the parents of the new baby are!!


Not finding any of them in later censuses.Iwonder of the whole family went off to Scotland or Ireland, then Irene comes back as a visitor over the 1901 census night.


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 September 14 13:35 BST (UK) »
The father is still alive. He's not there in 1841 but turns up in 1851 along with a couple of the daughters, Ophelia (transcribed as Othela) and Maria.
The family were Catholics. Not sure if anything might be found in any records relating to catholics specifically.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 September 14 13:41 BST (UK) »
Not finding any of them in later censuses. I wonder of the whole family went off to Scotland or Ireland, then Irene comes back as a visitor over the 1901 census night.

In 1851 Cecilia and Leonora are Governesses at a 'Catholic School' in St Pancras
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 September 14 13:43 BST (UK) »
Delphinia Ursula was bn Jul/Aug/Sep 1839 and died Apr/May/Jun 1843
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 September 14 13:47 BST (UK) »
Here is that 1851. Dad is now widowed.

Cornwell Buildings, Walcot
William Kelly 50 pawnbroker bn Monmouth
Maria 20 dtr bn Bath
Othela 17 dtr bn Bath
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: completely and utterly baffled!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 September 14 14:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks but I've already found this. Its Irene herself that is missing and its very very annoying!! I have a feeling that this Goulston person is her, but just can't prove it.
I've wondered if she lives abroad. I'm wondering if the worldwide ancestry records might show something, but I don't have access to that. The local library might have it I suppose.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 September 14 14:36 BST (UK) »
Yes, I know you had found it - you were the one that brought it to our attention!

But in order to try and find Irene, as she doesnt immediately show in intervening censuses, we need to see what happened to her family generally to try and see what may have happened to her. SO that is what we were doing, if you know more about the rest of them then do tell us, to save us going over ground you have covered.

We have now found that Dad (who for some reason wasn't at home in 1841) was born in Monmouth and was a pawnbroker. We have found that Irene's mum died between 1841 and 1851, so Irene between 12 and 22. Actually I am making some assumptions here - as I said before 1841 doesnt show relationships so we dont know for sure that Anna was Irenes mum. Nor that the William (dad to Maria and Othela) was her Dad too.
We have also found that a couple of daughters in London by 1851.
So that has scuppered the theory that the whole family went abroad somewhere. A small piece of progress.
It will be a case of keeping on finding out little bits and pieces until something provides the lead we are looking for to trace Irene.
eg if she is a witness at a siblings marriage (either as Kelly or under a married name), or all sorts of other possibilties.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: completely and utterly baffled!
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 September 14 14:43 BST (UK) »
Irene's baptism doesn't even show up on the IGI either which makes it worse than ever! I think this is one of the hardest problems I've ever had to deal with in research of this sort. Thanks for your help so far though - I do appreciate it.