Samuel Churton Payne and family

[sami]

Hi Liz:

This could be the death of John L Payne - Birmingham, Warwickshire - 1938 -  Jun quarter - 6D - 539. Age at death is 68 which would be right for a birthdate of 1870.

This might be Lillie Beatrice Richards - Birmingham, Warwickshire - 1978 - Jun quarter - 32 - 1366. The date of birth is listed as September 30, 1881.

sami

[g eli]

Thank you once again.
Yes sami that is the death of John Lovel Payne, I have found his probate.
I am not sure about the death of Samuel C payne in 1919, Elizabeth calls herself married in all the census but Margaret's will refers to her as a widow.
Liz

[suzard]

Elizabeth calls herself married in all the census but Margaret's will refers to her as a widow.
Liz

Have you checked Elizabeth's marital status in 1911???

Suz

[heywood]

Do you  have a death yet for Elizabeth?
Possibility here:
Elizabeth H Payne 85yrs Birmingham South March quarter 1931 vol 6d pg 79

Heywood

[g eli]

Thank you .
Elizabeth calls herself married in 1911, and looking at the writing it looks as if she filled it out. I am wondering if Samuel was possibly hiding from debtors. I found him in 1882 mentioned in a dissolution of a partnership. It was by mutual agreement and the other two partners were carrying on the business and would be responsible for all debts,
I had not found that death for Elizabeth, but it looks promising.
Liz

[heywood]

It would be interesting to see his occupation on Lillie Beatrice and Frederick's birth certificates.
I also think that the death is a possibility - the name and age.

[Matthew Richards]

Unsure if more information is still needed on this thread, but by chance noticed the names Lillie Beatrice Richards (who was my grandmother, and whom I lived with at her home in Harborne until her death on May 27th 1978) and her husband Frederick Charles Richards (who was already deceased when I was born).

[g eli]

Matthew Information is always welcome.
Heywood The release of Birmingham burials has been very useful the death you found for Elizabeth Is now confirmed, Also found burials for many more of the family.
Liz