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Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« on: Thursday 23 October 14 15:24 BST (UK) »
I am Manager of the Castle House Museum ( Registered Charity) in Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland
Recently a lady attended who was trying to trace her father who had been billeted in Coleshill Road, Teddington, Middlesex England in 1944. She has absolutely no other information on him other than a photograph.

She had been informed that his cap badge was that of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders a Scottish Regiment with close local connections to that of our Museum,  hence her enquiry.
I am not at all convinced of this as the badge  is not the correct shape. In a recent conversation with her she casually mentioned that she had heard the gentleman referred to as a "Canuck" which she thought was a Scottish term and this was reinforced in her mind due to his headgear - a Glengarry. My research has evidenced that Canadian Army personnel did wear this type of headgear. Indeed I have seen an illustration of a Canadian cap badge of the time which looks very much like the one worn.
Any help or information on how to progress this would be appreciated.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 October 14 17:06 BST (UK) »
During WWII Canadian "Glengarry Fencibles" Glengarry Seaforth Highlanders served in North Western Europe from March 1945 until the end of hostilities. This headgear might be their C012671 with a red pom-pom on the crown.  The metal badge could possibly bear a crown above two swords, or a thistle shield bearing a boars head and a lion.  The "New Brunswick Kilties" an infantry unit from Frederickton, New Brunswick also wore this type of headgear in WWII.  In any event, you are likely searching for someone in a Canadian Scottish Infantry Regiment.
Gardner-USA, Canada, UK
Hummiston-Canada, USA
Bowerman-Canada, USA
Evans-Canada, UK
Leavens-Canada
Stackhouse-Canada, UK
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Especially interested in the Gardners, reported Quakers of MA, NY, and Ontario, Canada.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 October 14 17:31 BST (UK) »
Maybe some one with a better eye can get some use of this link:  http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/uniforms/glengarries.htm

Normoyle/Normile - Montreal Canada from Limerick Ireland
Burton - Montreal Canada from Cheshire England
O'Connor - Limerick Ireland
Myers - Montreal Canada
Perrier/Perrier dit Barthelemi - Quebec Canada
Pion/Pion dit Lafontaine - Quebec Canada
Finlay - Western Canada & U.S.A
Tonks - Montreal Canada from Staffordshire England
Sinn - Montreal Canada from China
McNulty - Ballina county Mayo Ireland
Bristol - Montreal Canada from Derbyshire England

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 October 14 17:55 BST (UK) »
I can't help you as such, but there was and is (1903 to present) The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's).

The 1st Battalion landed in Normandy 26th July 1944 and joined 10th Canadian Infantry Brigade, 4th Canadian Armoured Division. It continued to serve until wars end.

Foregoing from Wikipaedia. There was a Canadian division in UK in the summer of 1940. A Canadian division was the basis for the Dieppe raid.

Canadian and British uniforms were almost identical and only differed in detail. One thing, Canadian battle dress had a green tinge to it. Major Mainwaring in 'Dad's Army' was wearing Canadian battle dress. 

   
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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 October 14 01:33 BST (UK) »
It definitely looks like hat and badge of one of the Canadian Scottish regiments. The cap badge seems quite large and the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, out of Hamilton, Ontario did have a large cap badge. This reserve regiment is still in existence so you may be able to find more information. I do believe that this regiment was in England in 1944 before heading to France.

The young reservist killed at the National War Monument in Ottawa this past week was a member of the Aryll and Sutherland Highlanders with hometown of Hamilton.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 October 14 15:51 GMT (UK) »
There are/were at least 20 Canadian Scottish Regiments who served in WW2.  The Argyll & Sutherlands were stationed at Uckfield Sussex from late fall 1943 to July 1944 when they went into action in France.  The Cape Breton Highlanders were in Italy 1943-44.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 October 14 11:34 GMT (UK) »
From info gathered at canadiansoldier.com it appears that the sergeant in the photograph is wearing the P40 (austerity) battle dress which was adopted by the British in 1942 but never by the Canadians.  This man is not a Canuck.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 October 14 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Should have noted that the Canadian battle dress jacket ca 1944 had a fly front hiding the buttons and a distinctive vertical box pleat centred on both breast pockets, while the Pattern 1940 or P40 jacket had all buttons showing and no pleat on the pockets.

Perhaps a new post should be made on the general Scotland site looking for identification of the Scottish regiment with reference to the Glengarry cap badge, the right shoulder epaulet decoration (for lack of a better word) and the small patch above the left breast pocket.

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Re: Canadian Army WW2 stationed England
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 October 14 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Museum man, can I just clarify a couple of points please?
Was the lady who visited your Museum a Canadian?
Is the photo definitely her father?
Was he a Canadian?
If so, and she knows his name, dob etc, can she not search for record of his service from Canada, which should give all the information she requires.
(or am I missing something here?)  :-\