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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 30 March 14 02:03 BST (UK) »
I will probably be damned as a heretic!! ;D ;D

My problem is that their story just doesn't seem to fit the facts?! :o :-X

 :) ;) Well lets face it, witchcraft is and was always nonsense.
 In the dark ages, few if any women claimed to be witches. Usually a 'Moral Panic Episode' was initiated by the clergy or other leaders to boost their own stature in society. Often the women 'identified' by so-called witchhunters, (usually brought down from Scotland) were women who had , for instance, healing skills. They were therefore a threat to the power of the religious leaders.
Unfortunately, the witch hunt outlined in the Federation's story did occur. The Witchcraft Act of 1735 would not dispel entrenched superstition.
For her time, Elizabeth Lee was a forceful woman; she confronted Armstrong , a yeoman, in Court and sued him for defamation.
Unusually, the earlier witch-hunt was lead , not by a Scott, but by a local woman, Mrs Armstrong.
It is possible that this story is , in part, about an ongoing Whitfield/Armstrong feud.
Cheers Gary :) ;)
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 30 March 14 07:08 BST (UK) »
Having just read this thread, to me it looks like "of the Midden"?! ;D ::)


Have you got eye problems, Kevin  ;D ;D ;D

Added - For what it's worth, here's a reference to Riding Mill - mentioned in my first post, but not Gary's Riding/ridden:

http://www.veitchsmith.com/2007/10/11/witch-hunt/

looks like there were witches there too!
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 30 March 14 08:52 BST (UK) »
Hi fellow witch hunters, ::)
I have found a Parish entry Ridden_ capital 'R' as well as "of the Riding", so I'm guessing that Elizabeth's ridden was a place name, reasonable  chance it was tied to the Riding.
Cheers Gary
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Parker of Welburn, Yorkshire

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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 30 March 14 09:03 BST (UK) »
Given that you know her forebears were from Hunter House which was close to the Riding/Ridding, I don't have any doubt at all that Ridden (capitalized or not) meant Ridding.

I don't think too much significance should be placed on capitalization. They were much less consistent about this than we are now.
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 30 March 14 09:04 BST (UK) »
Yes, Gary. Jennifer and I identified it yesterday - between Hunters House and Pow Hill  ;D
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 30 March 14 09:09 BST (UK) »
Yes, Gary. Jennifer and I identified it yesterday - between Hunters House and Pow Hill  ;D

Yes - I gave you the (almost) exact location in reply 8 -  in reply to your original question

Her death record states that she was "of the Riddem" ( could be 'the Ridden'). The same term is applied to one of her relatives.
I have made many fruitless attempts to establish if Riddem is a place or a term associated with the local mythology.
Any help from archivists or witch hunters will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Gary

I'm definitely not a witch hunter  ;D But I found it fairly easily  ;)
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 30 March 14 09:17 BST (UK) »
Just checking, Gary ~

The  NE inheritance project lists the probate record (1767)  for Thomas Parker has him 'of Hunterfield'  rather than Hunters House. 

Jennifer - is that a separate place on your old maps?  *

* Sorry - I see it was the old-maps site, I thought you'd mentioned a special source
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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 30 March 14 13:18 BST (UK) »
An easier map to explore than those on the old-maps site ~ on the Nat Lib of Scotland Maps site:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101099552

Ref is OS 6 ins to mile Durham Sheet  X.SW  Pub 1898

I don't see Hunter(s)field though but Ridding is very clear.


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Re: Edmundbyres_ Elizabeth the Witch
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 30 March 14 14:02 BST (UK) »
The  NE inheritance project lists the probate record (1767)  for Thomas Parker has him 'of Hunterfield'  rather than Hunters House. 


This entry in Fordyce's History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham of 1857 suggests that the names Hunter House and Hunter Field might have been interchangeable  :-\

Hunter House, or Hunter Field copyhold farm, containing 154 a. Or. 13 p., of which the land-tax is redeemed, but subject to a rent of 15 s. to the bishop,and Hibble Hill freehold estate, containing 2 a. 0 r. 32 p., were, by the Court of Chancery, in the cause “ Mary Parker and others v. John Parker and another,” ordered for sale by auction, March 29, 1833.

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