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Re: Smith Girls from West Auckland
« Reply #36 on: Friday 18 April 14 08:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Denise,

Superb work...fingers, toes and eyes crossed that you've found Mary :-)

Let us know how it turns out.

Any progress with Alice and Agnes?

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Probate at Wgtn Archives. Maybe ask for a lookup if it's the right Mary.

HILL, Mary - Auckland - Married Woman - 1944
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23137822

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« Reply #37 on: Friday 18 April 14 09:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Denise,

If it's the right Mary I'd be happy to look for the probate Beg Clonrode listed above.

I'll wait to hear.

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« Reply #38 on: Friday 18 April 14 21:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Spades

I am near Wellington so am able to do it myself. Annoyingly though I was only at National Archives on Tuesday looking at probates and coroner's inquests. Sadly found a suicide in the family. PTDS from WWII.

Just hope it is a will handled by Public Trust rather than an intestate. Gut says it is probably the latter.

Thanks for your offer.

Denise

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Re: Smith Girls from West Auckland
« Reply #39 on: Monday 21 April 14 23:34 BST (UK) »
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Yippee

Certificate came by e-mail this morning and it is her. I didn't mistranscribed the Intention to Marry, she lied about her age on the Marriage Certificate as well. Father's name William John Smith Farmer, mother Bridget Catherine Smith nee Butler. (don't know why they keep giving Bridget a second name, she didn't have one).

She has given her occupation as Laundress so that might help me find her on earlier Electoral Rolls.

Talk about made my day, this had made my year.

No sign of Alice or Agnes. The witnesses were two clerks who probably worked in the Registrar's Office.

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Denise


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« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 04:06 BST (UK) »
When you finally make a hole in that brick wall it comes down fast. With the idea that these missing Smith girls like to marry younger men and lie about their age I went through my list of Intentions to Marry for Alice Smith and one caught my eye. An Alice Smith marrying a John Fisher in Christchurch in 1908. She said she was forty and mine would have been a few months short of forty-three, but given the outcome with Mary a definite possibility.

I finally viewed Mary Hill nee Smith's probate yesterday along with her husband's and both of them mention several of Mary's sisters in their wills, Alice Fisher ( I was on the right track), Jane Toohey (my gt grandmother and not in WCF's will which he wrote in 1944 as she was deceased) and Martha, although the husband calls her Matilda in his. I will still get the marriage certificate for absolute proof.

Only Agnes Smith born 1868 to find now. She is not mentioned in either will so was probably deceased before 1935 when Mary wrote hers. I still fancy the one that married George Edward Ormond in Gisborne in 1917. He died in 1929 and she is last seen on an ER in 1935 still in Gisborne, no remarriage and no death. Also not in same cemetery as her husband. Maybe I just need to bite the bullet and purchase the certificate.

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Denise

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Re: Smith Girls from West Auckland
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 04:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Denise

It is better to purchase the "printouts" rather that certs,they are cheaper and have more info on them as they are a copy of the entry in the register

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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 04:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Janette

You are right I used the wrong word. I got caught out in January when I ordered a certificate rather than a printout. I won't make that mistake again and it wasn't even mine.

Thanks for the reminder.

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Denise

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Re: Smith Girls from West Auckland
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 05:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Denise...

Congrats again :-)

Worth looking at another probate at Wellington before you spend any money?

George Edward ORMOND - Gisborne  (Clerk) - 1930
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23101711

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Re: Smith Girls from West Auckland
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 05:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Beg

Bother I forgot about that one. Oh well I will save it for another trip. Thanks for reminding me it was there.

There was one thing I forgot to say in my previous post. The John Fisher who Alice Smith married was the uncle of the William Charles Frederick Hill that her sister Mary married. I thought they might be cousins because I knew WCF's mother was a Fisher, but uncle and nephew, didn't see that one coming.

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Denise