OWENS family

[Clare Fowler]

Hi all,

I am trying to trace details of the OWENS family who were at 'Pantricknow' in Fossoway and Tullibole at the time of the 1841 census.  They seem to have had lots of children, but I can't find any record of them in the OPRs.  I think the father John was Irish.

Does this family sound familiar to anyone?  Or can anyone suggest what non-'Established Church of Scotland' churches they may have attended - on the offchance that the births were registered there?

The family are
John OWENS
Margaret OWENS (nee DRUMMOND)

and kids:
Edward, Margaret, John, another Margaret (although I think she may actually have been a Mary), Eliza, Helen, Isabella and William.

There was at least another child, Catherine, but I think she was born in Clackmannanshire and that was after the 1841 census.

All help and ideas are gratefully received 

Cheers,
Clare

[runningbear]

hi claire,

had a wee look at your post as you have had no replies, i hope this may be of some help

the 1841 census you refer too

pantricknow, kinross

john...age 40...farm labourer
margaret...age 35
edward...age 14
margaret...age 12
john...age 8
margaret...age 6
eliza...age 5
helen...age 4
isabella...age 2
william...age 6 months
adam drummond...age 30...hawker
james drummond...age 20...hawker
james drummond...age 10

i decided to try and follow john and catherine through the censuses.

1851 census- old village, dollar

john...age 48...farm labourer
margaret...age 41
mary...age 21
catherine...age 5
william...age 3

1851 census- gateside, dollar (farm of elizabeth wright)

john owens...age 17...farm labourer

on the 7th august 1857 i believe that your john married mary ann smith in the united presbyterian church, dunblane. you could go onto the sp site and get the marriage cert to confirm.

the owens children from the marriage

margaret...28/4/1858
william...28/2/1863
james...5/1/1865
mary ann...9/4/1867
isabella...20/2/1870
janet...28/4/1872
helen...6/11/1874

1861 census- lodging house, orwell, kinross

john...age 58...lodging house keeper/labourer...born monaghan, ireland
margaret...age 57
catherine...age 15

1861 census- crook of devon village, kinross

john...age 27...labourer
mary ann...age 29
margaret...age 3
john...age 1 month

i believe that catherine owens married alexander miller on the 12/2/1864 in orwell, kinross, again the marriage cert would confirm this, it will also tell you if the parents are still alive as i cannot find them in 1871.

miller children from marriage

margaret...10/6/1864
ebenezer...19/1/1866
ann...1/1/1868
john...june 1869
alexander...23/4/1871
catherine...14/8/1873

1871 census- pauhande, potmoak, kinross

alexander...age 30...farm servant
catherine...age 30
margaret...age 9
ebenezer...age 8
ann...age 4
catherine...age 4

1871 census- windmill hill street, motherwell

john...age 36...chain man in coal pit
mary ann...age 37
margaret...age 12
john...age 10
william...age 8
james...age 6
mary ann...age 3
isabella...age 1

1881 census- miner's house, motherwell

john...age 48...coal miner
mary...age 42
james...age 14
mary...age 12
isabella...age 10
helen...age 5

1881 census- hilton of burlush farm lodge house, orwell

alexander...age 36...grieve
catherine...age 36
ann...age 18...farm worker
alexander...age 9
robert b...age 5
agnes b...age 2
helen...age 1

1891 census- 19 russell place, motherwell

john...age 56...traveller
margaret...age 64

looks like mary ann has died and john has been remarried!!!

1891 census- easter balado cottage, kinross

alexander...age 46...shepherd
catherine mclaven...age 45
agnes berveridge...age 12
helen...age 11
john...age 8
catherine...age 5
mary anderson...age 3

1901 census- brewery lane, kinross

catherine...age 55...widow
helen...age 21...tailoress
john...age 18...butcher
catherine...age 15....mill worker
mary a...age 13


Joe

[Lucan]

Where is 'Pantricknow' in Fossoway and Tullibole could it be that

'Pantricknow' is Rantricknow' or  as now "Rantrie Know".

Lucan
Kinross Museum Trustee

http://www.kinrossmuseum.co.uk/

[Clare Fowler]

Hi Lucan,

From looking at the map you have attached, Rantrie Know seems like a via option - thanks :-).  I have seen many 'mistranscriptions' of place names over the years.

However - if that is still in Fossoway and Tullibole parish, then I would expect to find the details of the baptisms in that parish's OPRs.  So either the births were not registered or weren't registered at a Church of Scotland church or they moved into that area just before the 1841 census.

Cheers,
Clare

[Lucan]

Could this be of use:

Loch Leven Community Library and Kinross Museum - Family History Day   

Location:
Loch Leven Community Campus
Description:
Demonstrations will be given in the use of the Ancestry and Scotland’s People data bases, Local Studies staff from the AK Bell Library in Perth and the Registrars will be in attendance and talks will be given by Steve Connelly, the AK Bell archivist, David Munro, lecturer, author and local historian, and Derek Flory, local author of Torn Apart.
Further details can be obtained by calling in to the library or phoning us on 01577 867205
Date:
Saturday, March 13, 2010
Start Time:
10.00
End Time:
15.00
Cost:
Free

[Clare Fowler]

Hi Lucan,

While that sounds fabulous - I can't get there on Saturday. 

I will continue my search - and extend to the Catholic registers which are now avaiable at Scotland's People.

Cheers,
Clare

[SeekingJames]

Hi Clare,
I have been researching this family for a number of years and have only just noticed your post.
My great-great-grandfather was John Owens born Fossaway, 1833-34 (1871 Census).
His third son James, born Tillcoultry 1865 came to Australia in 1884.
I have a family tree which I am still working on.
Do you have any information about the family of John Owens?
Thanks,
John from Queensland