George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

I have just found George Goodman's burial place in Rickmansworth 1888 age 39. Sadly a patch of lawn only. Surprised that twenty eight years later in 1916 another burial, followed by another in 1925 and the last one in 1942, all unrelated, all unmarked. It was a public assisted burial on non consecrated ground. Finding his birth registration is another matter not necessary to prove before issuing a death or burial cert so it appears.

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Sadly - there were may public burials in those days and even later.  My own paternal granparents and great grandparents are all buried in such graves.

George was born approx 1849/50 in Ricksmansworth according to the 1881 census but there is no birth registration and it would not have been necessary to prove his age when his death was registered.

Failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/75 so many births prior to then went unregistered

Are you trying to find his parents?

[[Ray]]

Hi

Trying to find a link ............

Back-burner ....................... This could be him in 1861 in The (White) Bear, Rickmansworth
(aka Batchworth / Frogmore)

1861 RG9 835 90 1 , Rickmansorth, District 6d, page 1
Eliza Treadaway 43 Widow Inn Keeper Cranford Middlesex
Rebecca Francis 36 Sister Barmaid Cranford Middlesex
Sarah Collett 18 Servant Harefield Middlesex
William Simpson 33 Boarder Aylesbury
George Goodman 15 LodgerAgLab Rickmansworth
Thomas Andrew 23 LodgerAgLab Rickmansworth

The (White) Bear is on the canal, so a possibility could be that he is the child of bargees.

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1851?

HO107 1714 486 8, Rickmansworth, District 1e, page 8
(Batchworth)

James Goodman Head Blacksmith 49 Rickmansworth
Sarah Goodman Wife 46 Great Gaddesden
Mary Goodman Dau 22 Rickmansworth
John Goodman    Son 14 Rickmansworth
Thomas Goodman Son 12 Rickmansworth
Henry Goodman Son 10 Rickmansworth
George Goodman Son 7 Rickmansworth
Ann Goodman Dau 3 Berkhampstead

Guess what links the 3 areas mentioned? Yup, canal.
Lots of Goodman registered Berko & Hemel Hempstead

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FreeBMD .......

Mar 1844 Watford 6 653 Goodman George

Also lists elder siblings including
Dec 1839 Newport Pagnell 6 364 Goodman Mary Ann

AND a possible NEWPORTPAGNELL marriage
Dec 1837 NP 6 645 Goodman James / Covington Sarah

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Ray

[bgoodman]

Thank you for your reply Carole & Ray. I have looked at both those census entries and unfortunately it appears that the George listed there would be too old for my George. The only birth that seems to tie in with his death re census month etc is a George born in Wargrave 1848 with a father James. Unfortunately on 1881 census he said born in Ricky therefore wanted to be more certain.

[[Ray]]

Hi

How do you know that the GG in 1888 is the one that you are looking for?

Would you like to post the census references where you have found him?
We may then be able to get a better picture.

If the person registering his death did not actually know him then his age may be an estimate by them. Who did register the death?

What are the actual burial details.

Cheers
Ray

[bgoodman]

Thanks for your efforts. I know for sure that this is the correct George as it mentions him in connection to his wife in his daughter's burial info. I am waiting to get burial info from HALS re his daughter's grave no. George died in March, Margaret his daughter died in May and another daughter, cared for by a grandmother, died in Ireland in September all in the same year 1888. Sad time for his wife who I found later had returned to Ireland. He married in Clonmel Ireland 1875. It said on his marriage cert that he was a soldier and that his father's name was James. I have tried doing hours of research at Kew for his military history and also paid two researchers to try but without the regiment it has proved impossible. He was living in Batchworth in 1879 when his daughter Mary was born. He had several children in Rickmansworth after that. In the 1881 census he is at Bury farm Batchworth said he was age 31! although it appears crossed. He actually died at Bury farm 1n 1888. He was an ag labourer/cowman. Person in attendence is Elizabeth Winfield. I have tried looking for rent rolls, marriage bans baptisms adult confirmation etc. His wife was Irish Catholic not sure if he was originally.

[[Ray]]

Hiya

What was his wife's maiden name?

Ray

[bgoodman]

His wife was Mary McCarthy and their daughter in the 1881 census was Mary K. Her name is Mary Katherine Goodman. Their son George, Hubert, my grand father, daughters Theresa and Margaret born afterwards.

[bgoodman]

I have found a site about the 34th foot (cumberland) just by chance