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apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« on: Sunday 03 January 10 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi - I have an 'indenture'/ apprenticeship agreement between Alexander Munro (Tailor, Parish of Durness) and George Mackay (of Mellings, Parish of Tongue) and his 'cautioner'/father is John Mackay, dated 28 June,  1804 at Errobol.
It was witnessed by John Ross & Chas McIntosh.
I was hoping someone could tell me anything about this agreement and my Mackay ancestors & when they left Scotland to eventually arrive in NZ. Sorry this is all the info I have, at present.

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Hamish Mackay
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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 January 10 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hamish

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

The most likely baptism for George is this:

27 Nov 1791, Tongue,  George son of John McKay and Mary Innes

This age would fit in with the apprenticeship record that you've found for 1804.  The cautioner part of the record means that John would stand surety (pay a caution to Alexander Munro) if George did not comply with the apprenticeship which would last a number of years.

Emmigration records are often very sketch/ non-existant early in the 19th century. What is the earliest record that you have of them in NZ?


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Re: Mackays' - from Sutherlandshire to NZ
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 January 10 18:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Gadget - appreciate the info.
I am beginning to look into family tree etc (& awaiting information) so don't have accurate records of immigration names & dates to NZ yet. I have read that many Mackays left Brora for NZ during the Highland Clearances, in 1840. However, not sure if this is linked to my side of the Mackays. Ofcourse, many would have gone to Canada, Sth Africa and Australia too before possibly arriving in NZ. Although, guess in those times most would only emmigrate once. Will respond in time.

Thanks again, Hamish :)

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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire/Dallas of Wick
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 February 13 08:19 GMT (UK) »
Greetings and Hi - I have just picked up curiosity again since posting in Jan 2010.
I have an 'indenture'/ apprenticeship agreement between Alexander Munro (Tailor, Parish of Durness) and George Mackay (of Mellings, Parish of Tongue) and his 'cautioner'/father is John Mackay, dated 28 June,  1804 at Errobol.
It was witnessed by John Ross & Chas McIntosh.
I was hoping someone could tell me anything about this agreement and my Mackay ancestors & when they left Scotland to eventually arrive in NZ. I did receive 1 post telling me John Mackay & Mary Innes are parents but unsure of anything else. Could you tell me when which Mackay from this family arrived in NZ and if they had children dates/places etc.  Sorry this is all the info I have, at present. Also looking for info on Thomas Dallas (born Wick 1837, died Dunedin 1882), son of Alexander Dallas (B. Latheron, Scotland) and Elizabeth Oal (B. Bower Caithness, 1811), both died in New York, as this is my wife's ancestor. Much appreciated.
Slainte -  Many thanks for reading this!  :)


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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 February 13 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hamish ,

1841 Campster Bower Caithness(all born Caithness)
Alexr Dalles 27 ag. lab.
Bessy Oal 28
Thomas Dalles 5
William Dalles 3
Elizebeth Dalles 1

http://www.freecen.org.uk/

The family are also on the 1851 , 1861 , 1871 Census on freeCEN.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTLX-FZN

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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 February 13 08:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Am still a bit stumped if anyone is able to help?
I have George Mackay b 1791 (son of John Mackay and Mary Innes) in Tongue apprenticed to a tailor Alex Munroe when 13 in 1804. Was he lost at sea at 22 (Dec 1813)? Or Question is when did he or his chn migrate to NZ (Banks Peninsula, Canterbury maybe). Curious, & thanks for reading. :)
Hamish Ferguson Mackay
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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 February 13 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Ev,  I think that would be Dallas & Oag.

Hamish,  some Sutherland stuff,   http://www.countysutherland.co.uk/43.html

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Re: apprenticeship from Sutherlandshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 February 13 20:04 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for your help, Ev. Kind regards, Hamish