Jones/Williams

[DavidJ1952]

Hello,

I am requesting info re;
EDWARD JONES & MARGARET, nee Williams, son Robert b. 14 June 1822 at Chapel Street Ind. and Cong. Holywell.  - Parents marriage date, location and any other children of the marriage, would be helpful.
Edward listed as a miner on Roberts death cert of 1897, Port Chalmers Cemetry Dunedin, NZ.
Thanks David.

[junev]

Hi,

Common names so I hope this is the correct couple:

Holywell
Edward Jones bachelor of this parish and Margaret Williams spinster of this parish married by Banns 13th December 1819
Edward signed his name Margaret mark 'x'
witnesses Edward Jones his mark 'x' and Mary Hughes

there so many Jones' to search for children but tried the obvious

7th April 1820 holywell Margaret d. of Edward and Margaret Jones of Holywell; occupation a miner (couldn't see an Edward but so many!)

Junev

[DavidJ1952]

Thank you,

It certainly is needle in a haystack stuff, I have attempted this before, ...it did my head in, so I had to have a 2 year layoff! Also I notice the LDS IGI has changed, ...does not seem so user friendly anymore. Or is it just me ?? So, ...I'm open to suggestions.

Ok, so the only marriage I can find that makes any sense is; from LDS,
07 May 1814   Llandyrnog, Denbigh, ​Wales spouse:   Margaret William.
 
Not being familiar with this location, ...is this possible ? (I am in Aus.)

I couldn't find the 1819 marriage

[junev]

hi,

The 1819 marriage is from the parish records.

It's about 12 miles between the 2 places however if you consider the bt. of Margaret in 1820 in Holywell then perhaps the marriage in Holywell is more likely.

Junev

[DavidJ1952]

So, ....

On FreeReg I have found;     
 
                Robert, b. 14 June 1822. church; Seionhoel Y Capel
                Elizabeth b. 9 Dec. 1823. church; Rehobothbryn Seion
                Thomas b. 13 Dec. 1825. church; Rehobothbryn Seion

Children of Margaret (Williams) and Edward Jones, Butcher of Well St. Holywell.
Nothing further, yet.

Were these chapels the Congregational or Independent, or Non-Conformist ?
This would tie in, but nothing regarding 1820 Margaret birth, however 1819 marriage, (if non-conformist) would link them.

[junev]

Hi,

I thought from the death cert of Robert his father was a miner so I would have thought that a butcher (as given on these baptisms) would not be him - how do you know Robert's mother was Margaret Williams??

Junev

[DavidJ1952]

Yes, this is confusing, but ...
On Robert death cert of 1897;

Mother maiden name, ...Margaret formerly Williams
and; rank or profession of Father, ...Miner

Edward may have formerly been a butcher.
Also on Robert's death entry this info was given by an informant, ..N Bauchap (?) Undertaker, Port Chalmers. (NZ).

This date was; 17 Dec 1897. Wife Emma, their son Thomas, his wife Phoebe and children Emma Gertrude, Frederick Thomas, and Charles Llewellyn arrived back in Australia same year, for the birth of Dorothy Winifred at Kew, Melbourne, sometime in 1897. (I don't have ship or sail date yet)
They were not present at Robert's death, and subsequent pauper's burial in a plot containing 5 family members of William Mugford Grant, who was the Congregational Minister at Port Chalmers.

So, ..Robert died alone without any family present and was buried in an unmarked grave along with 5 others and one other pauper.
I have no other info on Robert, excepting he became a bricklayer employing 3 men at Blakenhall, Wolverhampton 1849 - 1885.

[Beuth]

my ancestor Edward Jones b1799 Dyserth. First found Liverpool 1830 as a butcher, lastly on 1881 census Liverpool as butcher, retired. His wife Fanny b 1809 Llanasa
Is this possibly the same man with a second wife?

Regards from NZ
Harry