Richard Williams

[butlersearch]

Hi

I have copy of marriage certificate for Emma Williams marriage to William Pelham in 1855 her father is shown as Richard Williams bit cannot trace a birth for Richard or see them together on any census , can anyone help , perhaps I am missing something obvious.

Many thanks

[lizdb]

I think you are just trying to take too big a jump by trying to look for Richards birth.
Best to go one step at a time.

After her marriage, have you found Emma on censuses? Where and when does she say she was born?  Can you then work back to finding her birth, or finding her on 1851 and 1841?  (If you are having trouble, then do tell us all you know about her from later censuses and we can help look)
IF you are successful in finding her with her parents, THEN you may find a birth year and place for Richard and can start thinking about looking for his birth - although it will be pre-1837 so there will not be any birth registration , you will be reliant on a Parish record of a christening, if he was christened, and once you know what sort of area to look in.
If you cant find her in earlier censuses, then worth looking for a chr for Emma, and seeing what siblings she had, that will give an idea of whether she was youngest or oldest, and maybe names of siblings will help find the family .
May also lead you to her parents marriage, which again might help take you back a stage.
Always worth remembering though, that ifyour research leads ypu to find that Emma was illegitimate she may have made up a fathers name for her marriage. There is also the possible scenarios of her using a stepfathers name.
One step at a time!

[KGarrad]

On later censuses, Emma is born in Woking, 1835.

So this fits!
1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 1594; Folio: 104; Page: 18
Goldeworth, Woking, Surrey

Williams, Richard  Head  M  45  Labourer  b Woking
Williams, Harriet  Wife  F  44  b Worpledon
Williams, George  Son  M  18  b Woking
Williams, Emma  Daughter  F  16  b Woking
Williams, Harriet  Daughter  F  14  b Woking
Williams, Ellen  Daughter  F  12  Scholar  b Woking

[lizdb]

Here is 1861
Black House Yard, Dorking
William Pelham 28 farm labourer bn Dorking
Emma 26 bn Woking
William 5 bn Dorking
+ lodgers


And this looks like her in 1851!  Cant see a problem

Goldsworth, Woking
Richard Williams 45 labourer bn Woking
Harriet 44 Worplesdon
George 18
Emma 16
Harriett 14
Ellen 12   children all bn Woking

(Snap! )

[butlersearch]

Thank you so much I think I need  a lunch break , why couldn't I see that !