James Brown of Perth and Dundee

[ecksdochter]

Hello sunny51,
     Like Millmoor I suggest you check 1861 Dundee death. This will give parent's names, occupation, whether single or married & his wife's name if married. I am very surprised a Dundee ship owner would be living for years in Glasgow, Lanarkshire & Irvine, Ayrshire. (Alarm bells)
     Also, familysearch has 2 James Browns born 1784 at Craig by Montrose. 1st christened 4/7/1784. Parents: William Brown & Elizabeth Strachan. 2nd christened 12/9/1784. Parents: John Brown & Jean Ruxton. Could be confused on Census Returns unless you definitely know the names of other family members.
     Good luck with your search.
          Regards,     Dod.


     

[jennywren001]

HI,
So many Browns in the ship owner/building business...
From Freecen..41 census living : William Street Forebank, Dundee
James Brown 57 - ship owner
Elizabeth Watt 50
Elizabeth Brown 15
Agnes Young 25 - female servant
marriage showing at Family Search for a James Brown and an Elizabeth Watt in 1814 at Montrose.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTK9-PYM
Looks like daughter Elizabeth was born in Perth (other children showing)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X196-ZRC
could be the man in the painting?
Jen

[Millmoor]

Hi

Just read another thread explaining how to find wills in New Zealand. It works! John Macmillan Brown's will is CH 17616 in the New Zealand wills section of Family Search - go to the Christchurch wills. There is a lot there and I have only skimmed though it but names mentioned include daughters Viola and Millicent and nieces Georgina and Margaret McKinlay. Hope of some help to you.

William

[jennywren001]

Hi,
Finally found the couple mentioned before on the 51 census...they are still living on Williams Street. So from the 51 census both born in Montrose, from FS three children born Perth, 41 and 51 living Dundee.
Transcribed:
Jas Brown -  'Steep' owner...
Jen

[sunny51]

Thank you everyone very much. I am just following through, researching each lead. I am waiting on some information from overseas and I've ordered in a book with info on Macmillan Brown but at this stage, I'm not sure he is ours.
I have established with certainty that our James married Elizabeth Watts in 1814. She kindly kept the name Watts all through her life, so that was very helpful; and currently am following their lives at death when they lived at Craigie near Dundee.

I don't know anything about Elizabeth Watts except that she died 1873 8th January and was born in Montrose either 1784 or 1791 (as on census).

 I can only find the 3 children though and at this stage I haven't been able to find them to follow their lives through.
George died young but presumably the girls married.   Many thanks to everyone.

Children
George died  7th sept 1838 during the wreck the Forfarshire
 George Brown Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950   birth:   27 April 1816   
christening:   9 May 1816   PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
father:   James Brown mother:   Elizabeth Watt
   
Jean Brown
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950   birth:   March 1818   
christening:   8 March 1818   PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:   James Brown  Mother's Name:   Elizabeth Watt

Name:   Elizabeth Brown
Birth Date:   27 Dec 1822
Christening Date:   04 Jan 1823
Christening Place:   PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:   James Brown  Mother's Name:   Elizabeth Watt







      

[ecksdochter]

Congrats sunny51, glad you found your family. Think this might be Elizabeth on 1861 Census.
     Eliza Brown, age 72, born Montrose, Forfarshire. (now Angus) Living at Craigie Cottage, Dundee Rd, Dundee, Angus with Ann Boyd, age 50, Domestic Servant. (Ancestry)
     
And a possible 1871 Census.
     John Duncan,      age 52, Spinner Manufacturer, born Alyth, Perthshire.
     Eliza Duncan,      age 49,                                  born Perth, Perthshire.
     James H Duncan, age 22, Spinner Manufacturer, born Dundee, Forfar. (now Angus)
     Eliza Duncan,       age 21,                                  born    "            "
     John Duncan,       age 20, Spinner Manufacturer, born    "            "
     David Duncan,     age 15,                                  born     "           "
     George Duncan,   age 12, Scholar,                     born     "           "
     Elizabeth Brown, Mother-in-law, age 86, born Montrose, Forfar.
     Living at Lower Craigie House, St Andrew District, (Dundee) Angus.

          Regards,     Dod.

[sunny51]

Hi Dod,
Yes, that looks very promising. and the address is correct, I researched it yesterday on the old maps.
on the death notice 1873 (Dundee Courier) Elizabeths age is 89 years - so born 1784 - but on the earlier census she is b 1791. I checked the IGI index and more likely is 1790 as that is the only Elizabeth Watts born Craig by Montrose and also Montrose at that period.

Thank you kindly.