St Austell, Cornwall - BARKELL Mary Ann 1837, 1860

[maryanne stillsearching]

Hi,
I'm trying to find some more-definitive-than-I-have information on Mary Ann Barkell, of Cornwall, regarding her birth and marriage.  What I definitely have is-
.married Edward Holman in the last quarter 1860, Redruth, Cornwall (UK freeBDM)
.1861 census living in Gwinnear as a dressmaker, husband Edward a copper miner
.daughter Eliza born 1st quarter 1863.  On 18 Jun 1863 the 1900ton ship Accrington sailed from London to Lyttelton, New Zealand, under Cpt  Christie, docked 5 Sept 1863. Eliza died late 1863 in New Zealand.  The couple then moved on to Australia, where they had another 8 children.
.from records (census, death, passenger manifest) Mary Anne Holman nee Barkell (have also seen Barkill, Bartell and Bartle) was born about 1837 in St Austell.  One son and several grandsons carry the name "Barkell", but I admit I have seen all the above in birth registries, etc.
.father's name on the death record (1918, Berringa, Victoria, Australia) is William, but this is not necessarily the case, of course.  With three-quarters of my ancestors on the Victorian goldfields and most of them never having met their grandparents, the commonest name on the death records I've come across is "Unknown".  BTW, mother's name on the death entry is..."Unkn".

I've seen, often quoted, the following:
birth:   28 March 1837   , St. Austell, Cornwall, England
christening:   15 June 1837   Bethel Chapel, St. Austell, Cornwall, England
father:   John Hockin Barkle     mother:   Sarah Sandercock
married: Edward Holman 1860  27 Dec  Cornwall, England   Wesleyan Chapel
but this is never cited/sourced.  The IGI data I can find is contributed, and online searches aren't finding anything else - except people assigning "different" Mary (Ann) Bartell/Barkell data to Edward Holman's wife.

Can anyone verify the above information?  I think Bethel Chapel is Methodist, am I right?  If anyone could sight - and/or cite! - records, or point me to something online, I'ld love to hear it!  (Dreaming of a marriage record with name of all parties' parents, and birthplaces, which correspond beautifully...         )

 Many thanks     Maryanne

[trish1120]

Hi Maryanne,
The easiest way to solve this is to get her Marriage Cert to Edward Holman.
I will have a look around though to see if I can find anything.

Trish

[trish1120]

Mary/Edward are living next to John/Sarah Barkell in the 1861 Census

This is the 1851 for them;
John Bartle, 54, Head, Mar, Copper Miner, born Gwinear
Sally Bartle, 56, Wife, Mar, born Launedrack
William Bartle, 28, Son, Mar, Copper Miner, born St Term
Josiah Bartle, 22, Son, Unm, Copper Miner, born Gwinear
Mary Ann Bartle    14, Daug, Scholar, born St Austle

I have checked FreeREG/Familysearch/Cornwall OPC and have nothing for her Baptism or Marriage.
As I said earlier I think you need the Marriage Cert.

Trish

[maryanne stillsearching]

Thanks so much, Trish.
It looks like I may well have to buy the marriage record.  Ah well.  On the plus side, I _have_ a record to buy, rather than playing guessing games!
I like the look of the census record.  There's a nice repeating pattern of names with Mary Ann(e)'s parents & siblings, and her children, so I reckon it's pretty certain.
Thanks so much, I appreciate it!    Cheers  Maz

[trish1120]

Hi Maz,
Let us know the outcome of the M/C please.

This is their marriage in case it is her Parents;
23 Nov 1817, Tywardreath
John Hockin BARTELL, Residence-Sojourner, Occp Miner
Sarah SAUNDERCOCK, Rsidence-Sojourner
Witnesses, Thomas Javed SANDERCOCK, Laz COURTS
Transcriber Notes. Groom signed as John Hocken BARTLE & bride signed as Sarah SANDERCOCK
(Source Cornwall OPC)

Also on their are 3 Baptisms, Gwinear to JOHN/SARAH, Occp of Father Miner;
SARAH Bartel, 1 Jan 1821
JOHN Bartle, 20 Nov 1825
JOSIAH RICHARD, 25 Dec 1828

1861 Census John is born c 1797 Gwinear and Sarah c 1795 Gwinear

Day Month   05-Mar
Year   1797
Parish Or Reg District   Gwinear
Forename   John
Surname   BARTLE
Sex   son
Father Forename   WILLM.
Mother Forename ANN
(Cornwall OPC)

This is the Family in 1841 in Gwinear;
John Bartle, 44
Sarah Bartle, 45
Elizabeth Bartle,   22
Sarah Bartle, 20
William Bartle, 18
MARY Bartle, 4
John Bartle, 15
Cant find Josiah from 1851 Census!

Possibly Johns Mother in 1841;
Anne Barth, 65
Elizabeth Trebilcock, 26
Elizabeth Trebilcock, 3

She may still be alive in 1861 age 89, Ann BARKLE born c 1772 Gwithian

Gosh, another spelling for you;
Elizabeth BASKELL Married John TREBILCOCK, 31 Oct 1835, Ludgvan
Witnesses, John JOHNS and Wm BASKELL**

Trish

[trish1120]

BURIAL; Day Month 29-Oct
Year   1862
Parish Or Reg District   Gwinear
Forename   Ann
Surname   BARTTLE
Age   91
Residence   Rewala

[maryanne stillsearching]

Thanks again, Trish.
Some of this I have found in the last few days, the rest - wow! - I'm adding to my Barkell/Bartle file to work through.  There is masses of data on this family I can trawl around, including the brother Bartholomew b. prob 1831 - chr 1832 Jan 22 in Gwinnear.  Likely named for his father's brother,  Bartholomew Huckin (Hockin) Bartle, bapt 1810, to William and Ann (nee Hockin), who was killed in a mining accident in 1830.  I can't find Bartholomew John-and-Sarah's son in the census data, but still looking.....  As i said, the family is a mine of data - but I think I'm going to have to get that MC to make sure this is the right Mary Ann Barkell.  (Never bought a British certificate before.  This will be a New Experience!).  I will let you know.
Cheers  Maz