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Offline EeyoreBlue

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« on: Wednesday 15 June 11 11:04 BST (UK) »
I have a puzzle that I would appreciate help with.  My Great Grandfather was born in Dalbeattie in 1873, his name is either Robert Burns or James Burns (it was changed, from one to the other, but in later life, including his wedding he used both).  I know his mother was Agnes Burns, and he was born illegitimate, but I'm now looking for either him, or his mother.  The first place I can find him is when he married in 1896 in Middleton in Teesdale, Durham.  I'm looking for either of them anywhere in the intervening years.

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PS, from an 1871 census, I believe Agnes was born 1846 ish Creetown, Kirkcudbright, (her parents were Irish)
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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 11:24 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Agnes married following the birth of Robert James in 1873. There is this IGI marriag entry:

Agnes BURNS and George BOTT
Marriage on 23 MAR 1874 in Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright

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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 11:28 BST (UK) »
Possible 1881 census entry for the new family:

George Bott 29, sett maker b. England
Agnes Bott 30 b. Creetown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Robert Bott 8 b. Urr
Hugh Bott 5 b. England
Henry Robinson 28 lodger b. England

Address: Priv House, Urr/ Dalbeattie

Monica

Added: Just Agnes, 38 b. Creetown, with son Hugh, 11 b. England, showing in 1891, living at 52 Port Street in Dalbeattie.
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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 11:58 BST (UK) »
Hi MonicaL

That would fit in, as on robert James marriage certificate he lists his father as George, a Sett Maker, and Robert James was also a Sett Maker!  Hugh is also a family name.

Thanks for that - I'll perhaps order a marriage cert to see if Agnes Burns fathers details match what I have, - he was a Hugh also.

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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 13:05 BST (UK) »
Possible 1881 census entry for the new family:

George Bott 29, sett maker b. England
Agnes Bott 30 b. Creetown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Robert Bott 8 b. Urr
Hugh Bott 5 b. England
Henry Robinson 28 lodger b. England

Address: Priv House, Urr/ Dalbeattie

Monica

Added: Just Agnes, 38 b. Creetown, with son Hugh, 11 b. England, showing in 1891, living at 52 Port Street in Dalbeattie.

If Hugh was 5 in 1881, by 1891 he should be 15, not 11.  Will have to do a bit more digging.

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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 13:10 BST (UK) »
Going by this birth entry, I would go with the 5 from 1881:

Hugh Burns Bott, birth 1st Qrt 1876 in Teesdale Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding (10a/295)
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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 June 11 18:19 BST (UK) »
I've found your great-grandfather's birth entry in the register. I'll try and post a copy of it separately (it's not working trying to attach it to this at the moment). He was born in High Street, Dalbeattie on 3 August 1873, and his name is given as Robert Burns, though interestingly there's a note in the margin of "alteration of child's name" on 14 November 1873 which seems to say see the register of corrections (so don't know if it was changing his name from Robert to James or from Burns to Bott).

His mother's name is, of course, Agnes Burns, and it seems to say "domicil Creetown-Kirkmabreck" by her name, as well as giving her occupation as farm servant. No father's name given ("illegitimate").

His mother must be the Agnes Burns living at High Street, Dalbeattie on the 1871 census. Aged 25, born Creetown, occ. domestic servant. Also living there are her parents Hugh (aged 76) and Agnes (aged 66) Burns, both born in Ireland, and their grandson Robert Burns, 5, also born in Creetown (so must be either Agnes' son or her nephew).

This seems to fit with the Bott information (though she may not have been totally honest about her age!)

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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 June 11 18:19 BST (UK) »
Copy of Robert Burns' birth entry in the register hopefully attached!

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Re: Marriage Search
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 June 11 23:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jodatkins, although as I say, I already know his birth details.  His name was changed from James to Robert, not from Burns to Bott.

I have the copy of the Birth Entry and the Entry on the register of corrections - that's how I know about his name changes.

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