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BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« on: Monday 12 March 12 05:40 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for some births, deaths and marriages for a family I have found in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, but I can't seem to find any of them on Scotland's People. I would be grateful for some help with this.

Details from Ancestry's transcriptions are:
1841
Pathfoot of Blackcraig
Minnigaff
William Lamont age 68 b 1773 Kirkcudbrightshire labourer
Grace Lamont age 60 b 1781 Kirkcudbrightshire

1851
Challoch Croft
Blackcraig
Minnigaff
William Lamont 70 b 1781 Minnifgaff occupation Carter
Grace 67 b 1784 Minnigaff sister to William
Elizabeth McGoffog 14 b 1837 Minnigaff grandaughter
Agnes McGoffog 12 b 1839 Minnigaff grandaughter

I wasn't happy with the girls McGoffog transcription so I viewed the census on SP and the surname is quite clearly written as McGoffog. Elizabeth is a seamstress and Agnes is a scholar.

I am attempting to find a connection with this Lamont family and another Lamont family also in Blackcraig, so I was hoping to find some births deaths or marriages to see parent's names etc.,  and I would like to know who the grandaughter's parents are? I can't see them in the 1861 census. That surname is a problem for any marriage lookups too.  :-\

For reference, the following are the Lamonts I am researching and I am wondering if or how they connect to the above family:
(I am not requesting details of these Lamonts at the moment as I already have quite a lot of information)

1841
Blackcraig
Minnigaff
William Lamond 33 b 1808 Kirkcudbrightshire ag lab
Margaret 25 b 1816 Kirkcudbrightshire
Jean 6 b 1835 do
Peter 4 b 1837 do

1851
Blackcraig
William Lamont 44 b 1807 Minnigaff labourer
Margt 40 b 1811 Glenluce
Jane 16 b 1835
Peter 14
Elizth 9
Lateshia 5
Wm 3
Jannet Polock 80 b 1771 mother pauper
Tateshea Blain (Polock) 43 b 1808 pauper

I know that the above places are all fairly close to eachother.

Thanks for any help with this.  :)

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 March 12 03:26 GMT (UK) »
By chance when researching someone else, I came across the surname Guffog in a parish register, so this may be something to consider for the Lamont grandaughter's surname.

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 March 12 09:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ruskie, you wrote of your interest in Lamont families in Minnigaff area:
1851
Blackcraig
William Lamont 44 b 1807 Minnigaff labourer
Margt 40 b 1811 Glenluce
Jane 16 b 1835
Peter 14
Elizth 9
Lateshia 5
Wm 3
Jannet Polock 80 b 1771 mother pauper
Tateshea Blain (Polock) 43 b 1808 pauper
Here is an MI from Minnigaff with Lamont and Blain family names listed:
Erected by William LAMONT
In memory of his father William LAMONT who died 30th May 1874 aged 62 years,
also his mother Margaret BLAIN who died 30th July 1864 aged 60 years,
also his wife Martha BLAIN who died 6th Dec 1876 aged 27 years,
also his son Peter who died 12th Dec 1876 aged 2 ½ years,
also his daughter Margaret who died 12th Jany 1877 aged 9 months,
also Thomas BAILLIE who died 3rd Dec 1937 aged 67 years.

Any good, do the names fit anywhere?

Sy
Adam : Criggie : Davidson : Freeman : Jeamie : Lownie : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie
in Kinneff, Bervie, Benholm & St. Cyrus Parishes

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 March 12 10:41 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering if the surname should read McGuffey - have found a family in 1841 at Path House, Minnigaff who on one site are transcribed as Griffie and on another Guffie whom I can't find in 1851 but there are a number of McGuffie and McGuffey in Minnigaff in 1851.

John Guffie    30     Labourer
Jean Guffie     25
James Guffie    6
Elizabeth Guffie 4
Agnes Guffie 2

As you can see, the ages of Elizabeth and Agnes Guffie fit exactly with your 2 girls with William Lamont in 1851 hence my thoughts that McGoffog in 1851 should read McGuffey.

Annette

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 March 12 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Annette, it certainly is a possibility for the mystery grandaughters. I will do some more digging.

Sy, I don't believe what you have just posted!!!!!!!!!  :o

And you have just answered SO many of the questions I've been puzzling over for years. This is the family I have been looking for!!!!!  ;D

Do you know how I would go about getting a photo of the gravestone? Which churchyard are they buried in? Would there be further information on the stone? I would like to double check the year of Margaret Blain's death. I thought it might be 1874 rather than 1864.

You have made my day week year!!! Thank you!!!!  :-*

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 March 12 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ruskie,
Sy, I don't believe what you have just posted!!!!!!!!!  :o
And you have just answered SO many of the questions I've been puzzling over for years. This is the family I have been looking for!!!!!  ;D
Do you know how I would go about getting a photo of the gravestone? Which churchyard are they buried in? Would there be further information on the stone? I would like to double check the year of Margaret Blain's death. I thought it might be 1874 rather than 1864.
You have made my day week year!!! Thank you!!!!  :-*
Nice to know that brickwalls can sometimes be pushed over 
 :) Sy

I have access to the MI booklets published by DGFHS. Minnigaff was published in 2008 from a survey by a local church heritage group. 
There was only the one LAMONT inscription listed.

You ask about photographs.  Some 12 years ago I visited Minnigaff kirkyard and took some general photographs,
but I don’t have the one you want. 
You can see my photographs at:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dfsgal/Minnigaff/index.htm

You may be interested in this old McGUFFOG memorial, also listed for Minnigaff.
Note the McGuffie spelling variation.
[Pathhead mines refer to Blackcraig industrial villiage].

Erected by John McGUFFOG at Pathhead Mines.
Here is interred the body of Janet WYLIE his spouse who died July 19 1783 aged 50 years
also Andrew McGUFFIE our son who died March 1st 1758
and Janet McGUFFOG our daughter who died August 6th 1782
also William McCHESNEY son to Alex. McCHESNEY at Pathhead mines and grandson of the above who died Sept. 17 1776 aged 5 years

Penninghame graveyard in Newtown Stewart is the next nearest graveyard to Minnigaff
Here is an MIs listing BLAIN and POLLOCK families.

Erected by Thomas HANNAH

In Memory of
His son Thomas, who died in infancy
And of his wife Agnes BLAIN, who died 22nd August 1838 aged 73 years
Also his grandson William HANNAH, who died at Blackcraig 27th June 1901 aged 59 years
Also his daughter Sarah HANNAH, wife of Charles POLLOCK, who died at Blackcraig 10th Nov 1902 aged 30 years
Adam : Criggie : Davidson : Freeman : Jeamie : Lownie : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie
in Kinneff, Bervie, Benholm & St. Cyrus Parishes

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 March 12 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Familysearch shows William Lamond bp.27/5/1806 Minnigaff, son of William Lamond and Jennie Pay - I wonder whether his father died and mother remarried to a Pollock.

Annette
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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 March 12 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again Sy, and thank you for the McGuffog information. I'm sure the families must be connected as my Lamonts also live around Blackcraig.

I am still over the moon with that Lamont MI. I'll have a look at your photographs shortly.

Annette, that baptism from Familysearch - is is submitted or extracted? I know that the parents of my William Lamont (who married Margaret Blain) were William and Janet Pollock. On his d/c his mother is Janet Pollock not Jennie Pay.  :-\ I'm not sure what would have been written in the case of a remarriage ...

I know there were a lot of Lamonts in the area so maybe it's a different family.

I'll have a closer look at that baptism though, so thank you for finding it. I suppose it may also an error in the parish records. I know that did happen, and I sometimes see corrections, names crossed out etc -

Definitely worth chasing up.  :)

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Re: BMDs for LAMONT, Blackcraig, Minnigaff
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 March 12 10:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ruskie

It is an extracted record and I have viewed the original baptism on SP - May 27 1806, Willm. Lamond and Jenny Pay had a natural child - Willm. Lamond.

'Pay' in Scotland doesn't seem to be a valid surname as far as I can see.  I searched through Minnigaff baptisms 1770-1780 and the nearest name I could find to anything remotely like Pay was a Janet Poag bp.31/12/1770, d. of Patrick Poag and Elizabeth Cowan.

I'm guessing since Janet Pollock was 80 in 1851 that she probably died before 1855 when you could have had a death certificate to assist in the search.

Annette
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Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk