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Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« on: Friday 15 June 12 03:25 BST (UK) »
Looking for information on Agnes Mabel Watson born to Mary Watson between 1851-1855.
I have her marriage record where she marries William Pearson and lists Mary Watson and Corral Mccormack as her parents (they were not married) and they only list Mary Watson on her death record.

Everything says she was born in Kircudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire but I have had no luck.

Any information on William Pearson before they were married in 1878 would be great also :)

Thanks in advance!
Right now I am focusing on my maternal grandparents from Scotland. Thomas Pearson (Kircudbright) and Helen 'Nellie' Hume. 1880's birth.
I have some pictures that I would love to post as soon as I figure out how!

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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 June 12 09:37 BST (UK) »
Hi bethsdragon

This looks a possible entry for Agnes with her mother and aunts under her reputed father's surname in 1861:

Eliza Watson 45, agr. lab. b. Newton Stewart, wigtonshire
Agnes Watson 36, sister, agr. lab b. Kirkcudbt, Kirkcudbright
Mary Watson 29, sister, agr. lab b. Kirkcudbt, Kirkcudbright
Mary Sawyers 20, daughter (to Eliza) b. Kirkcudbt, Kirkcudbright
Agness McCormick 8, niece b. Kirkcudbt, Kirkcudbright

Address: High Street, Kirkcudbright.

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 June 12 09:45 BST (UK) »
Ten years earlier in 1851:

Alexander Watson 67,    pauper, b. Armagh, Ireland
Elizabeth Watson 43, daughter, agr. lab.
Agnes Watson 29, daughter, agr. lab.
Andrew Watson 22, son, agr. lab.
Mary Watson 12, daughter (I think this is the Mary Sawyers, daughter of Eliza from 1861).

Address: High Street, Kirkcudbright.

There is a possible entry for a Mary Watson in 1851 working away from home as a domestic servant.

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 June 12 10:00 BST (UK) »
Regarding William Pearson, what were his parents' names from that 1878 marriage cert?

1881 he shows as being a game keeper and born in Newburgh, Fifeshire. By 1891 he is down as a salmon fisherman born in Aberinthy, Perthshire. 1901, change of birth place again to Kirkcudbright but still a salmon fisherman!

Parents details from his marriage will help you be more certain of his roots.

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 June 12 14:27 BST (UK) »
Monica,
You are wonderful. I can't tell you how many times I have looked for Mary and Agnes and never found that!

I found a birth record on William but I am not positive it is him yet. Here is what I know.

His parents are listed as follows

1937 Death Record (by his grandson TC Pearson) John Pearson, Gas Manager & Katie Pearson md. Riley (Kirkcudbright)
1878 Marriage Record John Pearson, Gas Manager & Catherine Pearson md. Ready (Kirkcudbright)
1851 Birth ?? John Pearson & Catharine Reedie - Born in fornincation so they were not married if this is them. (Newburgh, Fife) I have yet to find something solid that shows John and Catherine married with William between 1851-1878. He lists her as Pearson each time so I think they married.

Because his records all say different places of birth I am trying to be extra careful figuring out his parents. Also trying to find why he came to Kirkcudbright and when (bef. 1878 :p ) I have a tentative thought John was born in England but it is just a possibility.

I know a lot about the Pearsons in Kirkcudbright after William got married. or so I think lol.
Right now I am focusing on my maternal grandparents from Scotland. Thomas Pearson (Kircudbright) and Helen 'Nellie' Hume. 1880's birth.
I have some pictures that I would love to post as soon as I figure out how!

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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 June 12 18:14 BST (UK) »
How about this possible entry in 1861? Might explain why William gave his birth place as both Newburgh and Abernethy - everyone showing as born in Abernethy, Perthshire.

William Pearson 64, Cotton Winder
George Pearson 20, son, mason apprentice
Thomas Pearson 17 son, Cotton Weaver
Elisabeth Pearson 23, daughter b. Cotton Weaver
Cathrine Pearson 15, daughter b. Cotton Weaver
William Pearson 9, grandson b. Newburgh, fifeshire

Address: Street So Side, Abernethy, Perthshire

The above entry, if the right entry, would imply that William was raised by his paternal family?

Can't see much else at present other than this entry.

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 June 12 18:38 BST (UK) »
This family did have a son called John I think. From 1841:

William Pearson 40, Cotton H L W
Christian Mitcheson 35
John Pearson 13
Cathrine Pearson 11
William Pearson 9
David Pearson 7
Elisabeth Pearson 5
George Pearson 1

Address: Abernethy, Perthshire

Also, guess you have looked at a birth entry on the Old Parish Registers for William's birth?


1851 Birth ?? John Pearson & Catharine Reedie - Born in fornincation so they were not married if this is them. (Newburgh, Fife)


What date was the birth? I thought this might be Catherine, mother in 1851 in Newburgh. Everyone showing as born there:

Elizabeth Hay 63 Yarn Winder Linen
John Hay 29, son
Catharine Reddie 20, granddaugher, Hand Loom Weaver Linen b. Newburgh, fifeshire
Margaret Walker 13, granddaughter

Address: Clinton Street, Newburgh Fifeshire

Possible birth entry for this Catherine shows as:

Catherine REDDIE b. 14 Aug 1830  and ch. 29 Nov. 1830 in Newburgh, Fife. Parents Thomas and Janet (HAY).

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 June 12 20:00 BST (UK) »
These William's details?

William PEARSON b. 19 June 1851 and chr. 17 Aug. 1851 in Newburgh, Fife.    
Parents: John PEARSON and Catharine REEDIE

From what you have, I don't think parents' married. Sometimes after an illegitimate birth (never mind being chastised by the Kirk Elders!) couples did go on to marry, but not sure that is what happened here.

If we have the right entry for Catherine, William's mother, I wonder if this is her in 1861 with a few more children:

Catherine Reddie 28, Linen Weaver b. Newburgh
Margaret Laing 2, daughter b. Brechin, Forfarshire
George Thomson 5, son b. Apper (?Upper) Clunie, Perthshire

Address: 7 Wallace Lane, Brechin Burgh, Angus

From this entry, if the right one, guessing Catherine is still unmarried and the children also illegitimate like William?

A few years later, there is this marriage showing:

CATTHREN REEDIE and JOHN LAING married on 31 Dec. 1866 in Brechin, Angus.

Given the date, this may show in 1867 on SP. Also watch spelling of Catherine. The above entry is from the IGI index and may well be how SP have indexed it.

Parents' details for this marriage will help you confirm whether this is the Catherine Reddie from Newburgh with the parents we likely already have.

Monica
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Re: Watson, Agnes Mabel 1850's
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 June 12 20:25 BST (UK) »
Yes. That is the William I found.

 I will have to wait until I get home tonight to compare everything I have in my notebook and files.

I do remember my mom and her uncle Saying they remember hearing from Williams son that William was born in Perth. So I do think this is the right family off the top of my head.

If this is the right Catherine then she was 18 when William was born.
I will also check the 1871 census and see if I can find Catherine and John Laing to see if kids are there  (George & Margaret)

My main focus right now is the Pearson line. Trying to figure out if it is English or Scottish. I've tried doing all the lines at once and made a lot of mistakes so now I keep notes and revist the other lines once I hit a wall or burn out. 

I am going to look into his mother though, just because it sounds like a fun one :)

Thanks for all your help! I will update what I find later.

Right now I am focusing on my maternal grandparents from Scotland. Thomas Pearson (Kircudbright) and Helen 'Nellie' Hume. 1880's birth.
I have some pictures that I would love to post as soon as I figure out how!