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Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:01 BST (UK) »
Help please.. I will give you what information I have in the hope that sks may be able to find the family.

Joseph Furnival married Ellen Summerfield on 22 May 1870 at Warrington.  The Furnival's are predominately based in Runcorn in Cheshire and Ellen & Joseph's two boys - Joseph b. 1871 & John Henry b. 1873 are both christened in Runcorn, Cheshire. 

Then the family disappear!  I have not been able to trace any of them after this date. I finally found Joseph (jnr) after he married using the 1901 census but nothing prior to that date for any of the other family members.

I wonder whether Ellen has died and perhaps Joseph has re-married ?  Where are Joseph (jnr) and John Henry in earlier census?

Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

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I wonder whether Ellen has died and perhaps Joseph has re-married


Have you checked freebmd for a death/re-marriage?

What was Joseph's occ on the marriage cert? 

When and where were Joseph and Ellen both born?
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:27 BST (UK) »
1871 they are living with John and Mary Summerfield.Joseph was a mariner and it says son in law Joseph his son was 4 mths old but Ellen is down as daughter 21 unmarried
Cawdor Street,Runcorn
John Summerfield was a boatman,is it possible they were at sea.
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:34 BST (UK) »
There is a death registration for a Joseph Furnival aged 38, Dec qtr 1884, Wolverhampton vol 6b p390.

Two marriages for Ellen Furnival Dec qtr 1886: Warrington vol 8c p217 and W. Derby vol 8b p831.

It could be worth checking the marriages on FreeBMD to find possible spouses surnames then see if Joseph and John Henry appear with them on the 1891 census.

Hope this helps
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:34 BST (UK) »
1881 has Joseph Furnival 10 gr son b Runcorn living with Mary Summerfield 60 widow b Newton
4 Portland Street Runcorn
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:43 BST (UK) »
Is it possible John Henry Furnival didn't reach adulthood

John Henry bn. Jun 1873 Runcorn

Death J/A/S 1873 : John Henry Furnival aged  0 Runcorn.

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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:51 BST (UK) »
Think Ellen must have died
1891

Joseph Furnival 40 waterman b Manchester Lancs
Sarah Jane 29 wife b Runcorn
Mary E 13 dau scholar b Halton Cheshire
Florence 1 dau b Newton by Daresbury Cheshire
Martha 11 dau b Manchester
Samuel Loyd 17 cousin farm lab b Runcorn
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 October 12 18:57 BST (UK) »
marriage

11 Sep 1886 Daresbury

Joseph Furnival 35 bachelor waterman of Halton father William Redford waterman
Sarah Jane Lloyd 25 spinster of Thelwall fether Thomas Lloyd waterman
witnesses George Davis,Ann Jane Davis
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 October 12 19:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much everyone, you really are fantastic.  At the moment I don't have access to the census details... aahh.. going back to the 1871 census does it give a birthplace for Joseph Furnival? and does this tie in with the 1891 census?  Thank you Phil, but I'm not certain that Joseph would be as far as Wolverhampton ? the family have stayed in Runcorn and the locality.  Of course I have made a note of the date and I thank you.  I think that there is a clue in that Joseph aged 10 is with his grandmother.. ps.. I could not find that using FindMyPast.. so thank you! I'm thinking that maybe Ellen has died, there are only the two children... hmm... and I wonder whether she died after having JH who also died?  a lot of questions !
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