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PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« on: Sunday 02 April 06 17:45 BST (UK) »
i am interested in PARISS/PARIS family originally of uphall w.lothian /anstruther wester then greenwich/woolwich.there is a middle name of SHAIRP that runs through many generations ...so far the earliest is in mid 1700's...however i can't find the marriage connection or indeed why it continued for so long on the male line...any ideas?
TOWN of sussex
PAVEY of bristol and cardiff
PARIS of w.lothian/fife/greenwich
CONSTABLE of kent

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 June 14 21:10 BST (UK) »
Hi -
This is just a thought, but I have been researching the Shairps of Uphall, Houstoun, etc. for many years now and have come across several members of that family that are acknowledged as family members but for which I am unable to find any record of birth.  I believe they may be illegitimate births. I was researching illegitimate births in general and found a reference that apparently sometimes an unacknowledged illegitimate child would be named with the father's surname as their second name so that everyone would know who the father was.  Is it possible that perhaps that is where the Shairp name comes from in your ancestors?  I did find some Paris names on the Shairp estate as tenants or employees so there was proximity and opportunity.   Your letter was quite old ( I remember reading it when you posted it) so if you've found out anything else in the meantime, I'd love to hear about it.
Shairp of Houston in Lothians

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 June 14 02:40 BST (UK) »
Hello arcona..yes I wondered if this may be the case and also if the fact that a Shairp was advocate to the queen of Scots..could my Paris name have arrived in Scotland through a supporter or entourage? I have records of Paris family burials in Uphall...but would love to learn more of the possibilities.my earliest Paris is James married Isobel Hardie..children born in uphall from 1718(10 in all!) My first with the shairp middle name Thomas born 1773 from him there is one son every generation for 100 years...also always a john,thomas or walter. Would love to clear up the mystery.look forward to hearing from you.
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PAVEY of bristol and cardiff
PARIS of w.lothian/fife/greenwich
CONSTABLE of kent

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 00:04 BST (UK) »
I really tend to lean towards the illegitimate angle, rather than the historical french connection.  The names Thomas, John and Walter are strong Shairp names.  Thomas and John were usually the inheritors of the Houston estate through the generations and there were lots of Walters too.  I have found a few examples of illegitimate Shairps who were recognized as sons so perhaps they were a randy bunch!!
Shairp of Houston in Lothians


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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 02:15 BST (UK) »
Can you share some examples? I'm struggling to see why the shairp middle name would continue through a family for 100 years..if the original child was illegitimate..paris is not a Scottish name...I can't find a clan..so where did they come from if not the obvious..France...? Would you mind sharing any paris family info you have gleaned?would be interesting to know what was happening in the shairp line around 1773 when thomas shairp paris was born...the other possibility is that thomas was not the first shairp paris...hoping you can shed a guiding light ...
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PAVEY of bristol and cardiff
PARIS of w.lothian/fife/greenwich
CONSTABLE of kent

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 07:51 BST (UK) »
It is not unusual for children to be called after their father's employer, a neighbour, the minister, the parish schoolmaster or members of an estate owner's family.

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 23:36 BST (UK) »
Hi again.  A lot of what I recall about the Paris family were things I noted many years ago when doing my first Shairp research, but I haven't been that active lately.  I think I noted them in old estate censuses and rentals.  I just perused about 100 pages of summaries from the Shairp family papers from the The National Archives of Scotland which I found on-line and found the following items about the Paris family which might be helpful.  Please note the old spelling of Paris is Pares.  I have typed these summaries exactly as in the original.  I think missive is letter and tack is a rental agreement.
 
GD30 item 375:  Missive by James Pares to Thomas Shairp of Houstoun to remove from the lands of Nettlehill at Martinmas next.  20/3/1764

GD30 item 669:  Tack by Thomas Shairp [Sharp] of Houstoun to John Pares [Paris] tenant at Burslethal [Bracelet Hall] of the lands of Bruslethail in Houstoun in the parish of Uphall and sheriffdom of Linlithgow.  17/10/1750

GD30 item 671:Tack by Thomas Shairp [Sharp]of Houstoun to James Paris, wright in Houstoun, of the lands of White Croft and the lands on the west sdie of Houstoun ground, at present prossessed by the said James Paris and Isobel Hardy [Harie], his mother, for 17 years.  1/3/1753

GD30 item 678:  Tack by Thomas Shairp [Sharp] of Houstoun to John Fleming, wright, formerly in Burnhouse, now in Houstoun, of lands and houses in the west end of Houstoun latley possessed by Thomas Craw and lands on the west end of Houstoun lately possessed by James Paris, wright and teinds thereof, for 19 years.  17/11/1761

I'll send you anything else as I come across it, and I'll send you a summary of what was going on in the Shairp's lives too.  That time period is when I suspect another Shairp or two may have been illegitimate births as well.  I'm just now getting  back into my research so I'll keep my eyes open for more Pares/Paris connections.
Shairp of Houston in Lothians

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 June 14 02:27 BST (UK) »
Arcona! Amazing info! Thank you! These are my Paris line! I'm going to look at those dates..was there any suggestion of their livelihoods ? I know from arrival in London but no idea of their lives in Scotland.thank you so much ...can't wait to hear more....
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PAVEY of bristol and cardiff
PARIS of w.lothian/fife/greenwich
CONSTABLE of kent

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Re: PARIS FAMILY shairp connection
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 June 14 13:25 BST (UK) »
I'm glad it helped you.  The information I sent you refers to Paris as a "wright".  The wikipedia definition of that is :

Wright is an occupational surname originating in England.[1] The term 'Wright' comes from the circa 700 AD Old English word 'wryhta' or 'wyrhta', meaning worker or shaper of wood. Later it became any occupational worker[2][3] (for example, a shipwright is a person who builds ships), and is used as a British family name. Wright is also an anglicized version of the Scots Gaelic clan name "MacIntyre" or "Mac an t-Saoir", meaning "Son of the Wright", or "Son of the Carpenter". The word Carpentier, now Carpenter was introduced into England in 1066 and slowly replaced the traditional name and meaning of wright

That suggests to me that the Parises were a working class family and at that time, marriage to the Shairps would have been unheard of as they were very wealthy and were gentry.   In those times, no one ever married outside their class.  I still think there is a legitimacy issue here and I'd like to find it too because I can't find records of a birth either at Scotland's People site or the Shairp papers for Alexander Shairp, b. 1686 (who I descend from) who is recorded as the son of Thomas Shairp.  Official records of inheritance don't list a son's name but written family history from that time as well as Burke's peerage all say he was Thomas's son.   Additionally, Alexander is supposed to have had a son William and I can't find a record for him either, although references keep appearing about him being Alexander's son.  Wouldn't you like to be able to time travel to sort out these kinds of things?
Shairp of Houston in Lothians