RAMSEY

[aghadowey]

Frances Ramsey born 30 March 1874 Enniskillen & married Susan Ross, living in Manorhamilton in 1901 and 1911?

Son of William Ramsey & Catherine Elliott... yes, I have details on the family if you are interested.

[Gordfred]

Would like to get in touch, have u anything on William Ramsey,s father Robert and is William connected to your family?

[aghadowey]

Will check my notes & see if I've been able to connect them to either of our 2 Ramsey lines.

[aghadowey]

Does this make sense so far?

William Ramsey (c1849? Co.Leitrim-aft.1911?), son of Robert Ramsey, m.(2 Dec.1865 Enniskillen dist.) Catherine Elliott (c1841 Fermanagh-July/Sept.1919 Enniskillen dist.), dau. of Robert Elliott.
1.   William Robert Ramsey (30 Sept.1867 Enniskillen dist.)
2.   John Ramsey (20 Oct.1869 Enniskillen dist.)
3.   Elizabeth “Eliza” Ramsey (28 Mar.1872 Enniskillen dist.-aft. 1914) m. John Walker
4.   Francis Ramsey (30 Mar.1874 Enniskillen dist.) m. Susan Ross?
5.   Sarah Ramsey (2 Aug.1878 Co.Fermanagh)
6.   Jane Ramsey (c1878 Co. Fermanagh)
7.   George Ramsey (31 Oct.1880 Derayscobe, Fermanagh-July/Sept.1909 Enniskillen dist.).

Elizabeth “Eliza” Ramsey (28 Mar.1872 Enniskillen dist.-aft. 1914) m.(July/Sept.1896 Enniskillen dist.) John Walker (c1870 Co. Donegal-aft. 1914).
   1901 Census- Market St., Enniskillen, Fermanagh: John Walker, 29, Pres., Co.Donegal, pork curer; wife Eliza Walker, 28, Pres., Co.Fermanagh; dau. Florence Walker, 3, Pres., Co. Fermanagh; son William Walker, 1, Pres., Co.Fermanagh; dau. Edith May Walker, 3 mo., Pres., Co.Fermanagh; father-in-law William Ramsey, 52, Irish Ch., Co.Leitrim, labourer; mother-in-law Catherine Ramsey, 51, Ir. Ch., Co.Fermanagh; sister-in-law Jane Ramsey, 23, Ir. Ch., Co.Fermanagh, cooke; brother-in-law George Ramsey, 20, Ir. Ch., Co.Fermanagh, port cutter.
   1911 Census- Wellington Place, Enniskillen, Fermanagh (Ch. of Ire.): John Walker, 41, Donegal, pork curer; wife Elizabeth Walker, 40, Fermanagh, m.14 yrs, 7 ch/7 liv.; dau. Florrie Walker, 13, Fermanagh, scholar; son William Walker, 11, Fermanagh, scholar; dau. Edith May Walker, 10, Fermanagh, scholar; son Adam Walker, 7, Fermanagh, scholar; dau. Sarah Walker, 4, Fermanagh, scholar; son John Walker, 3, Fermanagh, scholar; dau. Eva Walker, 2 mo., Fermanagh, scholar; mother-in-law Catherine Ramsey, 70, Fermanagh, read only, married, m.47 yrs, 7 ch/6 liv.
1.   Florence “Florrie” Walker (c1898 Fermanagh)
        ? Florence Elizabeth Jane Walker m.(1919 Enniskillen dist.) Fred Fanthorpe.
2.   William Walker (c1900 Fermanagh)
3.   Edith May Walker (1901 Fermanagh)
4.   Adam Walker (c1904 Fermanagh)
5.   Sarah Walker (11 Dec.1906 Fermanagh)
        Bapt. 3 Jan.1907 Knockmanoul Methodist Church, Darling St., Enniskillen
6.   John Walker (c1909 Fermanagh)
7.   Eva Walker (1911)
8.  George Edward Walker (27 June 1914)
        Bapt. 15 July 1914 Knockmanoul Methodist Church, Darling St., Enniskillen

Francis Ramsey (30 Mar.1874 Enniskillen dist.-aft.1911) m.(c1899) Susan Ross? (c1882 Leitrim/Fermanagh-aft.1911).
   1901 Census- Manorhamilton, Manorhamilton D.E.D., Leitrim (Ch. of England): Francis Ramsy, 25, Co.Fermanagh, ry porter; wife Susan Ramsy, 21, Co.Fermanagh; son George Ramsy, 10 mo., Co. Leitrim; wife sister Maggie Ross, 24, Co.Fermanagh, not married.
   1911 Census- Manorhamilton Town, Leitrim (C.of I.): Francis Ramsey, 38, railway porter, Fermanagh; wife Susan Ramsey, 29, m.12yrs, 5 ch/ liv, Leitrim; son George Ramsey, 11, scholar, Leitrim; dau. Lizzie Ramsey, 9, scholar, Fermanagh; son Francis Ramsey, 7, scholar, Leitrim; son Robert Ramsey, scholar, Leitrim; son John Ramsey, 2, Leitrim.
1.   George Ramsey (c1900 Leitrim)
2.   Lizzie Ramsey (c1902 Fermanagh)
3.   Francis Ramsey (c1904 Leitrim)
4.   Robert Ramsey (c1906 Leitrim)
5.   John Ramsey (c1909 Leitrim)

[Gordfred]

All is correct i have quite a few dates Marriages, deaths and places if any help to you.
Are we related?? as i thought my Ramseys originated from Leitrim (William) but couldnt find Robert a father in Leitrim, but just across the county line from leitrim into Sligo there was ramsey activity in (St.Johns), at one time Ramsey owned 500acres in that area but court records show they lost it in late 1700's early 1800's.

[aghadowey]

I can't get a connection yet to either of our Ramsey families from Co.Derry to yours but we do have some very old photos in an album taken in Enniskillen which we can't identify. The railway occupation link is also prevalent in one of our lines, the name Francis is common, however, both are branches are Presbyterian. There are/were lots of Ramseys in Derry (city) and they are a mixture of Presbyterian, Church of Ireland and Catholic so anything is possible.

The direct line we can trace back to a John Ramsey, shoemaker in Derry whose 2 children were Robert (born c1826) and Sarah Jane (c1828). He and wife died when the children were young and they were raised by relatives. Sarah Jane Ramsey (c1828) married a Thomas Ramsey, son of Francis Ramsey (c1811 Aghadowey-1879 Derry) whose father was a William Ramsey. I believe Sarah Jane and Thomas were related as Thomas' father was born in Aghadowey & Sarah Jane's brother was raised in Aghadowey.

I did wonder if 'Leitrim' for your William's birthplace in 1901 census is correct. Have you found him in 1911?

Will be in touch later today.

[Gordfred]

My Ramseys are predominately Church of Ireland, i have williams death 1913, he died in the enniskillen Workhouse so i assume a pauper, his wife and son John are buried in Rossorry C of I outside enniskillen. I have to search this record of the Workhouse in Proni. I have checked the C of I records in dublin for more than half the townlands in Leitrim, so i have the other half to eliminate to ensure their was only one William Ramsey from Leitrim, their are quite a few Ramseys in Monaghan and Cavan. The Railway passed through Monaghan so its possible they moved with the building of the railway, there is a place in dublin which has some records of irish railway employees, this i have to suss out

[shanreagh]

In our family, Ramage, there was a phase in 1830/40s when the records had them as Ramsey/Ramsay. Also one Ramsey but Ramage in 1796.  I think they are the same people as the earlier and later Ramages as they lived in same place, Tamlaght Finlagan /Ballykelly/Shanreagh/Glendermott/Broharris and had same naming patterns and it may have been transcription errors? Still to look to see if a Ramsay/ey married a Ramage around that time and wills left land to a Ramsay/ey but born Ramage daughter. 

Just thought that the transcription errors may have turned your Ramseys/Ramsays into Ramages and you might find some more there?

There is one Leitrim connection in that a Jane Ramage who may have been a daughter of Benjamin Ramage married a Lewis Algeo in 1787 in a place called Cherrybrooke in Co Leitrim.        In 1707 a Thomas Ramsy married an Elizabeth Wilson in Ballykelly Presbyterian church.

These latter ones are from an excel  file I call 'Ramage mentions' and are possible connections to my known Shanreagh ancestors.  I have not got certificates.  The possible  1707 marriage came from Bobby Forrest.

[greeneyedgirl]

Hi, I don't know if any of these bits may be helpful but I thought I'd send them for you to have a looksee.

1901 Irish census:

Annie Ramsey
age:22 Niece
Roman Catholic
born:Derry City
living with James Donaghey family
at Lecky Rd,No 4 Urban,West Ward,Derry

Kilcallan,Bondsglen,Derry
John Ramsey
age:28
born:Tyrone
Roman Catholic
living with Andrew McFarland family as servant
also living in house as servant is;
Henry Donaghey age:18


Thomas Ramsey
age:36
born:Derry
living on Francis Street,Lurgan,co Armagh
with
Lillie Ramsey  wife
Cecil Ramsey son
and 3 boarders


also found a Mary Ramsey whose last residence is listed as Derry arriving in NY on 28 Nov 1892.She is age 20 travelling on ship Furnessia which departed from Moville originating in Glasgow.She appears to be travelling with a Samuel Ramsey.

There is a freeholders record for Francis Ramsey dated 11 August 1796 in Derryvullan,Lurgan,co Armagh

found a death of Mary Jane Ramsey born 1837 died 1886 Belfast

lastly 3 marriages for Rosanna/Rose Ramsey:1893 Belfast
                                                                     1899 Newry
                                                                     1902 Donegal

I don't know if it helps but I will look about and see if I can find anything else.Kim