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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: Alberbury on Friday 14 September 12 17:54 BST (UK)
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I am having difficulty finding Violet May Young's father Frederick William Young. I think she was an illegitimate daughter of Frederick and Amelia Jane Young, the daughter of James george Young, Shoemaker and Amelia Allen.
Also, cannot find Violet's birth certificate or baptism record.
24 Dec 1905 The Registry Office in the District of Wandsworth
Arthur alexander 21 years Bachelor Pastry Cook 7 Knox Road Rudolph Oscar Chef
Gumbrecht journeyman Battersea Gumbrecht
Violet may 22 years Spinster 2 Knox Road Frederick William Cabman
Young Battersea Young
( deceased )
Present amelia jane coates, mark Gumbrecht
1911 C 34 Knox Road, Clapham Junction, London
Arthur alexander Gumbrecht Head 27 Confectioner Islington
Violet may Gumbecht Wife 28 Lambeth
Martha elfrida Gumbrecht dau 5 Battersea
Alexander arthur Gumbrecht son 4 Battersea
Evelyn may Gumbrecht dau 2 St.Austell, Cornwall
1891 C 9. Victoria Dwellings, Battersea
Thomas Coates lodger single 40 Barge Lighterman Battersea
Jane Young lodger single 31 Dom. House Keeper Lambeth
Violet Young dau 7 Lambeth
1901 C Park Ward, Battersea
Thomas Coates Head 51 Lighterman Barge Battersea
Jane a Coates Wife 42 Battersea
Violet Coates dau 17 Battersea ( I do not think she is Thomas's daughter )
1911 C 30 Knox Road, Battersea
Thomas Coates Head 61 Lighterman Battersea
Amelia Jane Coates Wife 52 Lambeth
Alexander Gumbrecht Grandson 4
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This looks like Violet?
Births, March qtr 1884
Wandsworth district (which covers Battersea) vol 1d, page 613
Young, Violet May I
There is also a birth for a Violet May Young, September qrtr 1883, St Saviour (Southwark)
Also, bear in mind, that the mention of a father on the marriage certificate may only be an invention for propriety's sake?
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This looks like Violet?
Births, March qtr 1884
Wandsworth district (which covers Battersea) vol 1d, page 613
Young, Violet May I
This one may turn up in Putney (Wandsworth RD) in 1891 with parents Henry and Jemima (Violet's middle initial could be an old-fashioned I or a J): RG12/452/135/33.
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Ah well! Plan B! ;D
September qtr 1883
St Saviour district vol 1d, page 61
Young, Violet May
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Thanks for the response both of you
Bought wrong certificates.
Violet may Isabel Young bo. 19 Dec 1883/4 95 Manor st. F. James Henry Young & Jemima formerly Hubbard
1884 Clapham Wandsworth
also ordered
Violet may Young 1883 sep q St. Saviour, Sothwark 1d 61 also incorrect
The one in Putney I think is to late.
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Hi,
Have you looked for Amelia Jane Young in the 1881 census?
She would have been @21, and probably in service somewhere. Frederick William Young may have been in service or living in the same area.
However I tend to agree with KGarrad that Frederick William is probably fictious.
Interesting that as a child and teen she was known as Coates, but married as Young.
Jann
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She married as Jane Amelia Young - Thomas Coates Wandsworth Sept qtr 1893
Jennifer
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Thanks Jann and Jennifer C
I am not sure if this is the correct family?
1881 C 5. Caroline Place. Wal. Rd. St.Mary's, Newington, Lambeth
James Young Head mar 46 Boot maker Southwark Surrey
Emily Young Wife mar 44 Boot binder Lambeth
Emily dau 19 Domestic
William son 16 Machinist
Edward son 14 Servant dom.
Jane dau 12 Scholar
Augustus dau 9 Scholar
Fredk son 7 Scholar
Charles son 5 Scholar
Frank son 1mon infant (all children born Lambeth)
William Brooks 25
Jennifer C, yes it is correct BMD marriage although cannot find in notes.
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Hi,
Per your previous post. In the 1891 census:
Jane Young lodger single 31 Dom. House Keeper Lambeth
That would make Jane @21 in 1881. The family you list would seem not to be the correct family as their Jane Young is 12 years old.
In the 1901 census Violet May Young has become:
Violet Coates dau 17 Battersea ( I do not think she is Thomas's daughter
But in 1905 her name reverts to Violet May Young on her marriage certificate. Just seemed interesting.
Jann
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Thanks Jann, now really confused. Frederick william Young is still a mystery.
20th July 1893 Registry Office, Wandsworth
Thomas Coates 38 B Lighterman 48 Randall St. Battersea Thomas Coates (deceased) Lighterman
Jane Amelia Young 30 Sp 48 Randall St. Battersea James Young (deceased) Bootmaker
P. Lucy Lancum?
Henrietta E. L. Seabrook
6th Dec 1858 St. Mary, Lambeth
James george Young full age B Shoe maker South Street George Young Type founder
amelia allen full age Sp South Street _______ ______ ____ ______
P. Samuel Bennington
Edw. Powell
Samuel Bennington I believe is her Father, but why was he not registered?
Also can anyone help find Amelia Bennington marriage to a Mr. Allen?
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Thanks Jann, now really confused. Frederick william Young is still a mystery.
As we have been telling you, Frederick William Young is probably made up!
He never existed!
Many people, who were illegitimate, made up the name of a father, so that they appeared to be "respectable" at their wedding.
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Occupation Type Founder.
Jennifer
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1851 7 Camberwell Grove
Samuel Bennington 60 Painter Emneth Norfolk
Ann 70 Wisbech Cambridge
Amelia 18 Camberwell
Thomas 16 nephew Wal? Norfolk
Same address 1841 but Amelia is 13?
St.George the Martyr 18/3/1874
Joseph Johnson Wid Commercial Traveller Lombard Street Mint Street Boro father Peter - a gardener
Amelia Young wid father Samuel Bennington Painter
witnesses John Mason & G.William Coleman Cross
Jennifer
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There is a Samuel Bennington who died Camberwell Dec qtr 1861?
James Samuel Bennington born 11/6/1819 bapt 26/5/1822 St.Geo.the Martyr
Samuel & Ann Gravel Lane Southwark - Auctioneer
Jennifer
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1861 census 34 Edmond Street Lambeth
James Young 26 Boot maker Lambeth
Amelia 24 Camberwell
Jane 1 Lambeth
Jennifer
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1871 10 Amicable Row St.Geo the Martyr
Amelia Young wid 38 Capmaker Camberwell
Walter 10 Cap hawker
Samuel 6 both born St.Geo Southwark
Jennifer
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St Georges Workhouse 10/7/1865
Name YOUNG male mother Amelia father unknown
Jennifer
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Jennifer C, you have been busy.
George Young's occupation had been a problem for quite some time. Now I know it could help me find more about George.
I have some of the other information you have sent from my local archives, but I did miss a few details.
Thank you.
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I have the following information from FreeBMD.
Death Mar q 1951
HARDIE Violet M 68 Poole 6a 813
Death Sep q 1956
HARDIE Lancelot 70 Bournemouth 6b 136
The Violet above I think is Violet May Gumbrecht, formerley Young. Violet died in Blandford Forum.
I cannot seem to find a marriage on FreeBMD. I just wonder if they married in Scotland, as Lancelot was from Brechin.
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Quote from: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 05 April 13 19:54 BST (UK)
A quick search on the British Newspapers archive finds a story from the Evening Telegraph (listed as being from Angus, Scotland) of Friday 20 April 1923 regarding Violet May having a spot of bother with the law. as I have no sub i can;t see what the issue was, but can say this was the mother as I see "wife of an Alsatian chef" as well as "Westminster Magistrate" identifying the location of the case, despite the newspaper
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=violet%20may%20gumbrecht
Dundee Evening Telegraph
PRISON FOR FIRST OFFENDER
“... PRISON FOR FIRST OFFENDER. Mother Who Made Her Son a Jewel !, Thief. , Sentencing Violet May Gumbrecht, ... ”
First match of your search in this article.
Friday 20 April 1923 , Dundee Evening Telegraph , Angus, Scotland
Type: Article Words: 103 Page: 10 Tags: none
Oh dear ! Hopefully this is available in my local archives, on findmypast or ancestry.co.uk