Clayton family of Culcheth

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi all back to my Clayton lot!....am confused and need fresh eyes on this puzzle to sort 2 families with same parents names (I think) to hopefully extract the ones that are mine!  Sorry if you end up confused like me 

Here is what I know....

Catherine/Catharine Clayton b 1830 is my line.  Marriage cert in 1850, Bedford Leigh, states father is Henry Clayton, a Lab, her address was Pennington, occ. servant and she was a minor.

I have her on all census from 1851, she gives her pob as Croft/Culcheth or Warrington throughout census.  Her firstborn was b. Culcheth.

Was given some kind info, a while ago,  from someone in the area. I think the source was Leigh Library??? possible parents marriage on 19th June 1821 Henry Clayton (fathers name James) to Betty Townley. of Culcheth (this matches submitted IGI...see below)

Also bapt/birth Catherine Clayton born 4th Sept 1830 daughter of Henry and Betty Clayton of Culcheth, Henry was a weaver.... and Oct 12th 1823 birth of son William, to Henry and Betty Clayton

This is were it gets tricky and confusing....there appear to be 2 couples that married within one year with same names

Submited IGI (know this cannot be trusted)
HENRY CLAYTON (c1796) married MRS. BETTY CLAYTON  both of Newchurch By Culcheth, Lancs c 1821

Extracted IGI
Henry CLAYTON  Wife: Betty TOWNLEY Marriage 31 Oct 1822 Winwick, Lancs (Think this Henry had father Henry)

There are a number of bapts. on IGI submited...all Newchurch By Culcheth...that I think are mine

JAMES TOWNLEY Birth:  19 JUN 1821  bapt. 07 AUG 1821
Parents: HENRY CLAYTON, BETTY TOWNLEY (this was the same date they married, so may not belong)

JAMES CLAYTON Birth: 1822   Death:  22 JAN 1830   
Parents: HENRY CLAYTON, MRS. BETTY CLAYTON 

WILLIAM CLAYTON Christening:  12 OCT 1823   
Parents HENRY CLAYTON, BETTY

ANN CLAYTON Birth:  c1825  Death:  15 FEB 1835 
Parents: HENRY CLAYTON, MRS. BETTY CLAYTON

HENRY CLAYTON Christening:  07 AUG 1827   
Parents HENRY CLAYTON, BETTY

CATHERINE CLAYTON                     
Birth: 04 SEP 1830    Christening: 19 SEP 1830   
Parents HENRY CLAYTON, BETTY    

There are also a number of IGI Bapts for the other Henry/Betty for children in Winwick.  Catherine b 1828 being one of them.

This looks a good poss. for mine, but 1841 the other Henry/Betty family are in Golbourne with a number of children   
1841 census, Culcheth, Twiss Green
HO 107/524/5 folio 25 pg 3

Henry Clayton; 40; railway lab
Mary do; 40 (could be remarriage)
William do; 15; silk weaver
Catrine do; 10
All born in county

There are more Clayton's next door 

same couple 1851 - HO107 Piece 2204 Folio 178; Page 11.  Poss. marriage 1838 IGI extracted

Any input, opinions or parish info to clarify appreciated

thanks for reading

Cas

[rosie99]

Hi

Just to say that the submitted entries for the following that you have listed are all Winwick as per the BIVR
James 1821 -Mother stated as Betty Townley
William 1823
Ann 1825
Henry 1827
Catherine 1830
all FHL film no 1469064 which is BT's for Winwick.

Rosie

[Cas (stallc)]

Thanks rosie    I have the BVRI but did not think to look in Winwick 

As you can see this family are a nightmare to sort...there are a least 3 Henry and Betty Clayton having children in the area from c 1816 - 1830's

1841 Also found a Catherine Clayton age 10 in as a FS in Culcheth, which could be mine.  There is also a Betty Clayton age 53 in Warrington workhouse  which could be her mother, although it did not state father deceased on marriage cert (know they don't always)

Think this will have to go back in the 'hard basket' for a while...don't seem to be getting any further

Thanks for info

Cas

[rosie99]

Hi Cas

I am glad I'm not the only one that forgets to look at the BVRI. 

I did notice the abundance of Claytons with father Henry mother Elizabeth/Betty/Mary and groaned inwardly.  I thought at one point you had missed a birth for a Mary but decided it was too close to Ann. You do wonder how closely the Henry's are related having a daughter called Catherine but it really doesn't help that they were born within 2 years of each other.

Perhaps the PR's would be more help with a possible address or fathers occupation on the baptism though they are probably just that bit too early for that. Just noticed marriage says Henry is a labourer so not very helpful.

Don't give up there must be someone out here who can find the clue you need.

Rosie

[Cas (stallc)]

Thanks for words of encouragement Rosie...something may turn up to help sort it out eventually....

Cas 

[sustev]

I have a James Clayton, platelayer on the railway, born 1811 in Culcheth/Kenyon/Warrington. A good fit for his baptism would be 26 May 1811 in the parish church, Newchurch, parents William and Betty of Culcheth.

There is a marriage on 9 May 1809 in Winwick which should be appropriate and gives Betty's maiden name as Johnson.

I'd be interested to see if your Henry and my William are related.

[Cas (stallc)]

I have a James Clayton, platelayer on the railway, born 1811 in Culcheth/Kenyon/Warrington. A good fit for his baptism would be 26 May 1811 in the parish church, Newchurch, parents William and Betty of Culcheth.

There is a marriage on 9 May 1809 in Winwick which should be appropriate and gives Betty's maiden name as Johnson.

I'd be interested to see if your Henry and my William are related.

Sorry did not see this as old post.  Have replied via pm.

Regards Cas