Is this a total dead end?

[Kathykins]

I've been tracing the McKenzie family of Craigie, near Caputh in Perthshire and I think I've hit a dead end, but I'm wondering if anyone can think of a way round it.

My ancestor, Donald McKenzie, married to Charlotte Isles, is on the 1841 census, but not the 1851 census, so he must have died sometime between the two. There's no tombstone, and his parents aren't mentioned on the marriage record for him and Charlotte. Is there any other way I can find out who his parents are?

There are a lot of family legends, such as Donald's grandfather came to the area with the 1745 uprising (not a Jacobite unfortunately) as a farrier and then settled in the area, before the local Laird set him up in the Smithy in Craigie, but I don't really know if this helps me....

According to the 1841 census Donald was born in Perthshire, and I think he may have been married twice - there's a tombstone in Caputh church (with no date, annoyingly) which reads "Donald McKenzie, sometime smith in Craigie, erected this in memory of his wife and children." It's probably my Donald, but as he predeceased Charlotte he must be talking about another wife.

Any suggestions gratefully received!

[Boongie Pam]

Hi Kathykins,

Are there any siblings you know about?  If I think I've hit a dead end I go sideways.  Surprising how many times I've found siblings with relatives who help you past the stumbling block.

Pam

[Piglet01]

Hello,

The IGI brings up the following children to said couple   :O)
, or have I made a mistake as no Donald?  No, just did a search on Scotlands People (back on and modify), which shows that Daniel and Donald are interchangeable.  So, back to the IGI showing your couple marrying on 02 Dec 1810 - in Clunie, Perth.

1. JEAN MC KENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 SEP 1824 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 2. JEAN MCKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 SEP 1824 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 3. HELEN MACKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 SEP 1826 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 4. WILLIAM MACKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 AUG 1814 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 5. DANIEL MCKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JAN 1818 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 6. ANN MC KENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 DEC 1819 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 7. ALEXANDER MCKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1828 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 8. DAVID MACKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUL 1811 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 9. CATHARINE MCKENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAY 1830 Caputh, Perth, Scotland
 
 10. CATHERINE MC KENZIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAY 1830 Caputh, Perth, Scotland

Apologies have been unable to help, but perhaps 'the wise' can come up with suggestions.  :O)

[Kathykins]

Yes, that's them - they were fruitful and multiplied! I've been contacted by other descendants from Donald & Charlotte's children, but no-one's got past Donald.

There are also records for three children born in Caputh to Donald McKenzie and Elizabeth Duncan, which might be the "other" family that the tombstone hints at.

There is another McKenzie family in  the Clunie/Craigie/Caputh area around the same time and I've often wondered if they might be siblings, but I doubt I can prove it!

It's a very frustrating hobby isn't it!?

[Piglet01]

Hello

As Boongie Pam suggests.

If your sure this is the same family.  Pick on the 2 youngest children and search for their marriage and death records on Scotlands People (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk)  - free to register and lots of good info , but a pay per view site - and you can end up spending quite a lot ther.  There is the capacity to do some free search. Those records will give you parents names as long as the records were after 1855.

Another option is to contact a main Registrars Office in Scotland - they have online BMD records to the present day - census records to 1901 and OPRs - for all of Scotland.  My local 1 - Aberdeen charges £15 for an hours search and a lot of info and days can be saved by using them.

Regards, Steve

[dogger0-4]

Hi,
Interested in your search for MacKenzie family.  My Great x 5 Grandparents are Donald MacKenzie and Elisabeth Duncan married 1790 in Caputh and they had 8 children.  Margaret MacKenzie born 1791 married James Soutar in Caputh in 1812.  James was born in 1772 in Caputh but I only know his father was Will Soutar and it is he that I am trying to find more about.

David

[cww1019]

Hi,

My 5th great grandparents are also Donald MacKenzie and Elisabeth Duncan (through their child
John Mackenzie, my 4th great grandfather, born 1800). I am unsure if this is the same Donald who married Charlotte Isles or a different one. Any information would be much appreciated.

Christina

[buckhyne]

I have the pre-1855 MI’s for Caputh cemetery.
This is what it says for the headstone you referenced.

23 (plumb line, square & compasses, level, for mason) (on top) 549; by Donald Mckenzie smith Craigie, wife, children; (west side) 1826

[dogger0-4]

Hi Christina
Tried sending you a private message but not sure if you got it. Could you try sending a private mesage to me. I have found another lady in Canada whose 4th G Grandfather was also John McKenzie.
David
aka dogger0-4