Baulcom....Verrall....Ticehurst

[jard]

I've found it difficult to find info on Elizabeth. Where did you find the christening dates ?
I think they probably are the same Elizabeth and Mary, although I have the birth date  different for Elizabeth.
I had her in St. Mary's ward as well, and Mary was a younger sister.
Mary married Thomas Mewett.
Elizabeth married James Ticehurst in 1833. In 1851, they were living at Meads ( a small hamlet , part of Eastbourne) and in 1871 were at Grovelands Farm in Hailsham.
Mary was a witness at both James, and his brother Samuels weddings.
Are William and Fran Elizabeths parents or Richards  ? and do you have any info regarding her husband James Ticehursts parents ?
Elizabeth an James were my GGG Grandparents, but I am at a full stop in confirming who their parents were.....

Regards
John

[Lelapsley]

Hi
Please bear with me as I am only a novice and all this needs double checking. In St Marys Parish records Baptisms 1558-1837 I have found

Parents William(Lab) and FRAN

Elizabeth 05.05.1811
Mary        09.07.1815
Ric           30.07.1813
John        14.01.1810
William    31.07.1808
Jas          03.08.1817

Parents William(Lab) and FRANCES

Charles      09.05.1819
Emma        05.01.1823
George      01.04.1821

Parents William(Lab) and FANNY

Thomas   13.03.1825

I have yet to confirm that Fran,Fanny and Frances are the same person!

In the parish marriage records Elizabeth married Jas. Ticehurst 24.11.1833 by banns and Ric married Jane Mewett (witnessed by Thomas and Mary Mewett) on 25.05.1834

William Baulcom married Frances Mancer 28.02.1802.

I am afraid all this is in rough notes taken whilst at Eastbourne library as I was only looking for William Baulcom b1836c when I came across Richard in the 1841 census living with Jane, children William 5 and Frances 3. I am hoping to get across again in a few weeks to confirm and follow through on what I think I know!

If I am corrrect Richard is my GGG Grandfather.

Sorry can't help on the Ticehurst side and as I said before all this does need checking out. Hope it leads somewhere.

Lel

[jard]

Hi Lel
Thanks for the mail. It has helped me unravel one part of my problem. I think I'll have to go to the records office myself to source the rest of it.
Looks like our GGG Grandparents could have been brother and sister  !!
Good Luck
John

[Pauline44]

I have a William Verrall m Mary Ann Ticehurst he is my 3rd Cousin 4 times removed

Marriage St Mary's Ch, Eastbourne, Sx.
409. 18 Apr 1863.
William Verrall. 27. Bach. Lab. Eastbourne. Father Thomas Verrall. Lab.
Mary Ann Ticehurst. 22. Spin. Eastbourne. Father William Ticehurst. Lab.
Witnesses James Godden &  Ruth Page.   

Do not know who her Mother was? but in Census it states she was born Hellingly?

Also a Ann Ticehurst m Dennis Breach 17 Nov 1799 one of there sons marries Ann Boniface my 3rd Grt Grand Aunt.
I do not know any thing about Ann Ticehurst.

Any connection?
bfn Pauline

[jard]

Hi Pauline
I've come across Mary Ann and William Verrall, but I can't link them to my 'lot' as yet. As St.Mary's Parish seems to be the centre point of a lot of my discoveries, there may yet be one.
I've also found Ann and Dennis Breach, but I don't think they are attached to my ancestors.
One thing that has thrown me on more than one occasion, is the changing surname. Verrall becomes Virrell quite often. Different references to the same people are spelt differently.
The Ticehursts and the Verralls (Virrells) were close neighbours according to some of the census during the 1800's. There seems to be a few marriages , over several generations, between these two families.
There were plenty of both names around, spread all over Sussex, and I'm finding it very difficult linking them up, but ...... I suppose thats the fun in it all.

If I can find something new I'll let you know.

Good luck

[jard]

James Ticehurst wed Abigail Pierce   on 24/12/1778
had 4 children
James 1779/Richard  1786/ Samuel 1786/ Barbara 1781.

James wed Mercy Stretton 1807
Had 7 children

May 1808 ( activity unknown)

Mary Ann 1808 (wed Edward Wood 1835)

Samuel 1811 (wed Lucy Verrall 1833 children Mary,Sarah, and Richard)

Edwin 1812-1829 (died aged 17)

Herbert Stretton 1818 (wed Ann ?children Edwin,Arthur)

William Stretton 1816 (wed Martha 1840,child Barbara)

Who was the seventh child b1813 ?

Richard wed Mary Verrall 1812
Child William .

Samuel died at 1 year in 1887

Barbara  ( activity unknown)

Anyone can fill the gaps ?

[jard]

In addition to the family of James Ticehurst(b1779).

His brother Richard b 1786 wed a Mary Verrall (or Virrell)
in 1812.
They had a son William b1816.

The other brother Samuel b1786, died at age 1.
The sister Barbara b 1781. (Destiny unknown)

Any info on any of these would be welcome
Regards
Jard

[Jane Masri]

Hi Jard,
This is the marriage for Richard.  Maybe that's his sister as a witness?  So you know she's around in 1810 & unmarried.  No marriage for her, at least in Sussex, so she might have remained a spinster.  Maybe that's his brother, James as the other witness?


Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index:
Place: Eastbourne, East Sussex,  Date: 12 Jun 1810:
Subject: Richard TICEHURST
Spouse: Mary VIRRELL, botp (B)
Extra Information: Wit: Jas TICEHURST;  Barbara TICEHURST

Jane

 

[jard]

Hi Jane
Thanks to Chris, I'm back on the straight and narrow.
I had assumed that James Ticehurst was my GGG grandfather, and have been looking for info. on that basis.
However....I now know that his brother Richard (the one you highlighted) was my GGG grandfather.
Luckily, I haven't wasted too much effort, as it stays in the family.
Bit of luck eh !
Thanks for your help.
Jard