John Munro blacksmith

[wavrow]

Would anyone be able to help in finding any information on John Munro who married Mary Cameron (widow) at Kilmonivaig 21 July 1848 please. He was a journeyman blacksmith at Blarour farm but the family migrated to Melbourne in 1853. On John's death certificate it states he was born at Rosshire and his father was also called John and a farmer, mother's name was unknown. I would really appreciate any info on his family from Rosshire please.  Kaye

[J11]

Freecen: This is the family in 1851.

Piece: SCT1851/99 Place: Kilmonivaig -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Kilmonivaig Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 74 Page: 2 Schedule: 4
Address: Blarour Farm

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        MUNRO       John       Head       M       M       33       Blacksmith, Farrier        Ross and Cromarty - Alness           
        MUNRO       Mary       Wife       M       F       39       Blacksmith's Wife        Inverness-shire - Kenochbeoraig           
        CAMERON       Ewen       Stpson       -       M       16       Blacksmith's Stepson, Scholar        Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           
        CAMERON       Donald       Stpson       -       M       13       Scholar        Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           
        CAMERON       John       Stpson       -       M       9       Scholar        Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           
        MUNRO       John       Son       -       M       2               Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           
        MUNRO       David Ross       Son       -       M       7m               Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           
        MCKILLOP       Cathn       Servnt       U       F       18       General Servant        Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig           

[J11]

Can't find him in the 1841 but there are two Munro farmers in Alness in neighbouring farms - brothers? Cousins?  The John Munro doesn't have a son John at home but, at the age of 23 and a blacksmith, he is probably living elsewhere.

Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 3
Address: -

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        MUNRO       John       M       45       Farmer        Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Anne       F       25               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Margrat       F       30               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Anne       F       15       Female Servant        Ross and Cromarty           
        DOULIE       Robert       M       15       Male Servant        Ross and Cromarty           

Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 3
Address: -

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        MUNRO       Robert       M       35       Farmer        Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Margrat       F       30               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Anne       F       60               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Hugh       M       30               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       John       M       25               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Anne       F       11       Female Servant        Ross and Cromarty   

Note the Anne aged 60.  Bet that's the mother of John and Robert - certainly worth checking.       

[DonM]

Only John on record as a son of a John being born in Alness 1815-1820.

26/10/1820   MUNRO   JOHN   JOHN MUNRO/MARTHA ROSS   M   ALNESS   /ROSS AND CROMARTY   057/00 0020 0006

Remember, there could be others born but not recorded.

In 1841 he could be the Blacksmith at Balfour.

Don

[J11]

Looking at the ages on that 1841 for John at Alness, I wondered if the Anne aged 25 could be a second wife or even a daughter?

[J11]

There is this other farmer John Munro at Alness on the 1841:

Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: Glenglass

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        MUNRO       John       M       50       Farmer        Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Christy       F       50               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       William M       M       30               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Cathrine       F       20               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Robert       M       18               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Rodrick       M       16               Ross and Cromarty           
 Page: 0/3       MUNRO       William       M       5       Male Servant        Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Peggy       F       7       Female Servant        Ross and Cromarty

No Martha married to a farmer John but I did find this one married to a blacksmith:

Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: Alness

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        MUNRO       John       M       55       Blacksmith        Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Martha       F       45               Ross and Cromarty           
 Page: 0/3       MUNRO       Hellen       F       20               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Charles       M       15               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Hugh       M       10               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Flora       F       8               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       Donald       M       5               Ross and Cromarty           
        MUNRO       George       M       4               Ross and Cromarty                   
    

[MonicaL]

One thing that might also help now further is the name of any daughters born after the 1851 census that J11 has posted earlier.

Mary is showing as maiden surname Cameron, likely the same as her first husband (often common in these and other parts of Scotland at this time). This is on the births of the first two sons with John Munro up to the 1851 census posted by J11 (these two sons' births also shown on https://familysearch.org/#start... and therefore on the Old Parish Registers here www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/).

You  have the family heading off to Melbourne in 1853. Any daughters' names born that might help now further to connect, if the new family of John and Mary used any form of Scottish naming pattern? See here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm

Monica

[DonM]

Yes she was a Cameron, married to Donald Cameron.  Searching (sp) for Cameron births Kilmonivaig  mother Mary no surname Ewan, Donald, John and an Ann pop-up although the year of births are a bit off with what was reported in 1851.  Odd thing is their Bann.  It is well written and states Donald is occasionally at Batrick and Mary from Morven presently at Crief.

Also, residing next to them in the 1851 (original) is Ewan Cameron who I suspect is her brother-in-law and even mother-in-law from Mary’s first marriage. 

01/08/1850   MUNRO   DAVID ROSS   JOHN MUNRO/MARY CAMERON FR232 (FR232)   M   KILMONIVAIG   /INVERNESS   099/00 0020 0151      
25/07/1848   MUNRO   JOHN   JOHN MUNRO/MARY CAMERON   M   KILMONIVAIG   /INVERNESS   099/00 0020 0133

No other children through to 1855.

Don

[J11]

Could be that he was a journeyman blacksmith, mason, etc. at the time.

Wiki:
A journeyman is an individual who has completed an apprenticeship and is fully educated in a trade or craft, but not yet a master. To become a master, a journeyman has to submit a master work piece to a guild for evaluation and be admitted to the guild as a master. Sometimes, a journeyman is required to accomplish a three-year working trip, which may be called the journeyman years.