cefn ddwysarn

[Indigogirl]

I am looking for information about Cefn Ddwysarn which I believe was the birthplace of Robert Edwards c1796.
(I have been told he was from Pandy, Cefn Ddwysarn but I haven't been able to find this - might it be a farm or house?)

It seems there is still a chapel there (on geograph) and I think it was Calvinistic Methodist?

Can anyone tell me whether there are any records for this chapel please and which parish it falls in?

Thanks,
Indigogirl

[Gadget]

Hi 

I think it would be in Llanycil (Bala) or Llanfor parish. I'll try to find out more for you.

Iassume that you've done some Googling to get the Methodist Chapel. There's also this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/history/pages/cochbach1.shtml


Regards


Gadget

[Gadget]

Looking at the modern map, it might also be in Llandderfel parish. The parish boundaries are a bit strange around there 


I'll have to get my big parish  maps out and get back to you.


Gadget

[Indigogirl]

Thanks gadget,

I've not been able to work it out myself.

I found the photo of the chapel on geograph  and a hand drawn postcard on the Oriel collection http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsmer2/lluniauwe/capel.htm

I'd not seen the bbc information tho. Thanks

There seems to have been a factory of some sort there - i think that was on the 1851 Census. It doesnt look like the sort of place for a factory tho? Euphemism for a workhouse?

IGirl

[Gadget]

Don't think a workhouse but it might have been a woollen mill or something like that. It's not that far from Fron Goch either and I know that there is a site devoted to there but I can't find the link at the moment 

[Gadget]

 

It's in Llandderfel.

If you go here:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llandderfel/index.html

and click on maps lower down the page, it's listed there.


Gadget

[Indigogirl]

Thanks gadget,

Its confusing.
I'd be grateful if you could help clarify for me:

On his marriage cert he was of Llanfor parish but the genuki link clearly says cefn ddwysarn is in llanderfel.
Could the boundary have changed between his birth and marriage??

The cefn Dd is from a family bible  (altho admittedly it has been added later than the original inscriptions) but does this mean it might not be correct?
The word of mouth is that he came from Bala.

I know you looked for him before and couldnt find a baptism but rereading the posts it seems we may have got sidetracked looking at Thomas Edwards?

To recap -I'm  looking for a non conformist baptism from either llanfor or llanderfel for a Robert Edwards 1794/6   
His eldest son was Edward Edwards 1825 - I'm not sure how that works with the patronymic system ?? - would that rule out the surname Roberts?)

Very grateful for anything you might find or exclude,

Thanks

Indigogirl

[Gadget]

Hi

Non-conformist baptisms are difficult to get hold of. Usually, they married according to the rites of the  Established Church as the only legal way of marrying but baptisms were different - they would have been non-conformist and not many records survive. I don't have any non-conformist records for that area but the Blackwell index might just have them (although it is really only Denbighshire). I think William (WRJones) has a copy.

If he was 'of Llanfor', it would only signify that he was a resident/had an address of convenience there for three weeks before the marriage. As Llanfor is the parish between Llanycil and Llandderfel, it becomes a wee bit tricky 

Bala is in the Llanycil parish but the East end of Bala Lake is, I think, in Llanfor.

Re patronymics - it looks as if this had been abandoned for his son - or his son would have been Edward (ap) Robert.  If Robert Edwards was a semi-patronymic, then his father was likely to be an Edward - thus Robert (ap) Edward(s).


Gadget

[Indigogirl]

Thank you.

It looks like it realistically could be any of those parishes (or none) but which one is not that relevant if i'm after a non-conf baptism.

Does William appear on this board as well as Denbs?

It seems likely Edward Edwards is a likely candidate then for elusive father of Robt Edwds 1796 as Robt Edwds 1827 eldest brother was an Edward (which fits also with Robert ap Edward).