Mitchell BIRTH - Parish Records 1860

[mike1979]

Hi
I am hoping to find a parish register recording the christening off an ANN ELIZABETH MITCHELL.

Details
Roman Catholic
b 9 Feb 1860 - Daimond Court, Bradford East
mothers address at birth Shakespear Yard, West Gate, Bradford
mothers name Ann Mitchell (unmarried) - father probably George Schilling

I'd be grateful if anyone had access to RC parish registers for this area and could help.  Otherwise does anybody know which RC churches were in the area.

The christening may be under the name of ANN ELIZABETH SCHILLING I guess.

Thanks as always
Mike

[Ronnie12329]

Hi Mike

We have chatted before on ancestry, the Anne Mitchell you speak about here was actually born 1841 in Diamond court Bradford, so I am assuming that the 2nd Ann Mitchell 1869 was a daughter of the 1841 Anne, bloody complicated I know but I am sure I am correct 

Keep up the good work Mike, always nice interacting with you, I did however find this site which tells about the German migration to Britain in 19th Century.

http://www.mawer.clara.net/ppanayi.html  I hope this is of use to you

Best Wishes

Ronnie  (James Hall)

[Ronnie12329]

apologies Mike 1860 not 69

[Ladyhawk]

I am hoping to find a parish register recording the christening off an
ANN ELIZABETH MITCHELL Roman Catholic
b 9 Feb 1860 - Daimond Court, Bradford East
mothers address at birth Shakespear Yard, West Gate, Bradford
mothers name Ann Mitchell (unmarried) - father probably George Schilling

Sorry can't help with RC records perhaps you might find the name here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z7r/

wanted to check if this is the same person

Ann Elizabeth Schilling f George occ Hawker
married John Thomas Miller 24 Jun 1889 St Peter Oldham

her sister

Mary Ann Schilling (1862) F George occ Hawker
married Joseph Moores 28 Aug 1886 at St Peter Oldham

Is this the same family?

1861c RG 9; Piece: 3590; Folio: 99; Page: 18
George SHILLING 33 (1828) Germany British Subject occ Showman
Ann 23 Bradford
Ann Elizabeth 1 Bradford

1871 RG10; Piece: 373; Folio: 93; Page: 29
George Shilling 40 Frankfurt occ Dealer in ? wife Ann 29 Bradford
ANN 11 Bradford, Mary 10, Philip 7, George 2 & Margaret D 1

Was George Schilling married previously?

George SHILLING age 22 (1827) batchelor occ Hawker  f Phillip occ Hawker
7 Jan 1849 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Ann SANTOS age 43 Widow f Edward Hipkins occ Lab.
Both of 93 Oldham Street wits Joseph M?ncarini & Agatha Hayes (x)

1851 HO107; Piece: 2059; Folio: 29; Page: 9
Edward HIPKINS 80
Maria 70
Ann SHILLING mar. 45 Birmingham

1861 RG 9; Piece: 2176; Folio: 60; Page: 5
Ann SHILLING boarder mar. 55 Birmingham

[Ronnie12329]

Hello again Mike, were you aware that George Schilling was a tailor when he first appeared in the Manchester census of 1851? in turner st Manchester, and that after that he appears to have traveled the country probably as a musician, and there after a hawker.
I am hoping soon to be able top get in touch with someone with knowledge of manchester workhouse records. Once I have anything I obtain I will gladly share with you

[Ladyhawk]

were you aware that George Schilling was a tailor when he first appeared in the Manchester census of 1851?  in turner st Manchester, and that after that he appears to have traveled the country probably as a musician, and there after a hawker.

I am hoping soon to be able top get in touch with someone with knowledge of manchester workhouse records. Once I have anything I obtain I will gladly share with you

I did wonder when I saw the 1851c HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: 598; Page: 24
whether that was that same George Shilling as he's noted as single occ Tailor

there's also this record from
England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869

George Shilling Port of Arrival:   Dover Arrival Date: 6 Feb 1846
Also named with George are Anna Shilling & Josh Hess
Profession Musicians native of Germany

[Ronnie12329]

yes I have seen that alien arrivals Mike, have it in my latest tree, which you are more than welcome to view, how are you doing these days? and what relative are we to each other in this big wide world of ancestry tracing? I haven't quite worked that one out yet haha

Ronnie

[mike1979]

Ladyhawk, Ronnie
Apologies for the late reply - I have just seen this.  Yes, the records you have found are the same family.  George was married to Ann Santos/Hipkins but separated almost immediately.  I suspect he didn't marry Ann Mitchell (my ancestor) as he didn't have a divorce.
Gives me the problem of not being able to link Ann Mitchell to her father which a marriage cert would have given me.
Mike

[Ladyhawk]

George was married to Ann Santos/Hipkins but separated almost immediately. 

I suspect he didn't marry Ann Mitchell (my ancestor) as he didn't have a divorce.

Gives me the problem of not being able to link Ann Mitchell to her father which a marriage cert would have given me.

Mmm... that is tricky without a marriage cert.

What about the naming of their children may have been named after their respective parents or siblings?

for example it looks as if
Ann Elizabeth (1860) named after her mother Ann,
Phillip (1864) after his grandfather Phillip (George Snr's father)
George (1869) after his father George,

There's this pedigree tree on familysearch https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3QZB-NXS you would need to verify as to how accurate all the details are -says George Schilling (b1828 d1889) spouses were

Anne Santos nee Hipkins b1806 marriage 7 Jan 1849 died ?

Catherine Kees b1833 marriage 1849 died 24th Nov 1850

Ann Mitchell b1841 Bradford marriage ? died Oct 1893 Lancashire

names these children

Anne Elizabeth born 9 Feb 1860
Mary Ann 1861
Philip 25 Apr 1964 d 27 Feb 1902
George 1869
Margaret 1871
Catherine 1873
Joseph 15 Mar 1875 died 1907
John 9 Jul 1977 d 1878
Peter 9 July 1877 died 7 Jul 1878
Francis 1879
Luisa 1882 d 1884
James Louis 1882

A long shot/coincidence

Is it possible that Ann Elizabeth Mitchell/Schilling (1860) mother Ann had the same middle name as her daughter 

baptism Christ Church Bradford 9 Apr 1841
Ann Elizabeth Mitchell  parents William & Nancy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVK7-JL9
1841 birth registration entry https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2N9P-TCT

1841 census living Bradford
William Mitchell 20, Nancy 20, Sarah 1 & Ann

the only Bradford baptism I could find for a Sarah Mitchell on family search was on
18 Dec 1839 for a
Sarah Jane Mitchell parents William & Ann (Nancy was originally a diminutive form of Anne or Ann)

There's also this 1841 birth registration entry which could be her
Ann Mitchell https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2N9B-M8W
no christening details on family search 

1881 census living 44 Gun Street https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ8C-C1B
gives Ann Shilling's age as 40 (1841) pob as Bradford