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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello Shaun J

Thanks for that... Every little bit of information brings me closer to finding Charlotte's birth.

Kind regards

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #19 on: Friday 19 December 14 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Aaargh! So are we discounting that Charlotte Ball TODD? The fact that Willit was in Tealby around the right time gives a little weight to the possibility..... :-\

Westy,who were the witnesses to Charlotte's marriage and what was her address please?

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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #20 on: Friday 19 December 14 12:20 GMT (UK) »
You'd have to check Willit/Willitt/Willett Ball's police records but it looks like he left the force circa 1860. There's a prison warder in Lincoln in 1861 who seems a possibility - enumerated as William Ball. After that he is running inns. He married Ann Hyde(s) nee Cooper in Hull in 1864.
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #21 on: Friday 19 December 14 15:12 GMT (UK) »
The Willit Ball mentioned as being a prison under warder in Lincoln in the 1861 census  and also the proprietor of the Granby Hotel in Wellington St. Hull in the 1871 & 1881 census was a 2 x Great Uncle of mine.

He was the 6th child of Philip and Mary Ann Ball and was born in 1836 at 19 Westgate, Lincoln, more commonly known as the Struggler Inn. His baptism took place on the 10th April 1836 at St Paul in the Bail. He started his working life as a Bakers Assistant at Far Newland St. Lincoln before joining the police force,  However I have yet to find any evidence  linking him to the Village of Tealby.

As previously stated by ShaunJ he married an Ann Hyde, nee Cooper at St James, Sutton on Hull in 1864. Ann was the widow of William Henry Hyde and they married in 1859 and had 3 children, Julia, William & Jessie before William senior  passed away in 1864, that same year Ann married Willit Ball also at Sutton on Hull. The couple had 2 children John in 1865 and Ann in 1867, both born in Lincoln. It was about this time that Willit was the Proprietor of the Treaty of Commerce at 175 High Street, Lincoln before taking over the Granby Arms from his Sister Ann and her husband John Thorpe.

Willit passed away on the 19th March 1883 in Hull.

I am sorry to say that I have been unable to find any link with Willit and a Charlotte Constance Ball nor can I find any evidence of my particular Willit having owned or run a hotel  in Regents Park.

All my research shows this particular Willit Ball spent all his life in Lincoln and Hull.

Alan   

 
Hogan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Maddigan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Masters (Lewisham, St Pancras, Clerkenwell)
Knowles (Salford, Manchester)
Farrow (Staffordshire, Manchester)
Atkinson (Lincolnshire)
Ball (Lincolnshire, Rutland)
Hicks (Lincolnshire)
Wheatley (Lincolnshire)
Pearson (Lancashire, Cheshire, Pawtucket USA)
Wilson (Yorkshire)


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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #22 on: Friday 19 December 14 15:17 GMT (UK) »
I don't think there is any evidence to link Charlotte's father with Regents Park, save that both she and her husband gave a Regents Park address on the marriage register.
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #23 on: Friday 19 December 14 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shaun

I think it was Westy11 who said that the marriage certificate for Charlotte showed her father Willett Ball was a hotel proprietor in Regents Park.

I am fairly certain that my ancestor Willit Ball, ex police Warder and Publican has no connection to the  Charlotte Constance Ball that Westy11 is searching for.

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Hogan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Maddigan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Masters (Lewisham, St Pancras, Clerkenwell)
Knowles (Salford, Manchester)
Farrow (Staffordshire, Manchester)
Atkinson (Lincolnshire)
Ball (Lincolnshire, Rutland)
Hicks (Lincolnshire)
Wheatley (Lincolnshire)
Pearson (Lancashire, Cheshire, Pawtucket USA)
Wilson (Yorkshire)


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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #24 on: Friday 19 December 14 16:01 GMT (UK) »
As ShaunJ has posted earlier in the thread, there is at least one newspaper report linking a policeman named Willit Ball to Tealby in 1859 - available via the British Newspaper Archive and Findmypast.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #25 on: Friday 19 December 14 17:11 GMT (UK) »
As ShaunJ has posted earlier in the thread, there is at least one newspaper report linking a policeman named Willit Ball to Tealby in 1859 - available via the British Newspaper Archive and Findmypast.

Yes I saw that thread and I am almost certain it is not the same person mentioned earlier as the Willit Ball in the 1861 Census for Lincoln as that Willit was not a policeman but an "Under Warder" at the City Prison who as I said is my 2 x Great Uncle

Alan 
Hogan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Maddigan (Lambeth, Southwark, Ireland)
Masters (Lewisham, St Pancras, Clerkenwell)
Knowles (Salford, Manchester)
Farrow (Staffordshire, Manchester)
Atkinson (Lincolnshire)
Ball (Lincolnshire, Rutland)
Hicks (Lincolnshire)
Wheatley (Lincolnshire)
Pearson (Lancashire, Cheshire, Pawtucket USA)
Wilson (Yorkshire)


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Re: Looking for the birth of Charlotte Constance Ball abt 1861
« Reply #26 on: Friday 19 December 14 17:51 GMT (UK) »
There are so few Willit/Willett Balls around in England at any point in time, let alone in Lincolnshire, that the name alone would suggest that this is all the same person - who was the policeman in Tealby in 1859, then became a prison under warder by 1861 and then an innkeeper.

I think it is worth checking the Lincolnshire Constabulary records  to see if the registers of service etc survive from that 1859/60 period. http://www.lincstothepast.com/Lincolnshire-Constabulary/821139.record?pt=S
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