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Hello, I have heard from hundreds of people over the years stating that they do not know what part of Ireland their ancestors came from.
The census so often just stated "Ireland" and the marriage cert. gave no help.
In Roman Catholic parishes pre1871 ish.....a lot of them asked for addresses of Fathers and witnesses.
From the parish of Felling Co Durham....1870 a grooms father was recorded from Ireland..... parish name and Co Armagh!
Well worth looking into the original parish registers!
Good luck!
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Great advise to find where in Ireland a family might have come from but to actually search for people in Ireland you really need a more exact location- parish or even better the townland.
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As I said parish and County is recorded.
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Unfortunately Fr John Kelly and his successor Fr Thomas Carroll at St Patricks, Felling were an exception to the rule. Up to 1856 the registers were recorded on plain paper when most priests gave additional information including the addresses of the bride and groom's parents. In 1856 new books were issued which restricted the amount of information that could be entered for each entry. Apparently the first Felling marriage register commenced 21st December1849 and continues right through up to the last entry dated 8th January 1884. I have a copy of all 700 entries where all 32 Irish counties get a mention. If anyone has a problem with the priest's phonetic rendering of place names I am willing to help.
J.T.A.
Hello, I have heard from hundreds of people over the years stating that they do not know what part of Ireland their ancestors came from.
The census so often just stated "Ireland" and the marriage cert. gave no help.
In Roman Catholic parishes pre1871 ish.....a lot of them asked for addresses of Fathers and witnesses.
From the parish of Felling Co Durham....1870 a grooms father was recorded from Ireland..... parish name and Co Armagh!
Well worth looking into the original parish registers!
Good luck!
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Unfortunately Fr John Kelly and his successor Fr Thomas Carroll at St Patricks, Felling were an exception to the rule. Up to 1856 the registers were recorded on plain paper when most priests gave additional information including the addresses of the bride and groom's parents. In 1856 new books were issued which restricted the amount of information that could be entered for each entry. Apparently the first Felling marriage register commenced 21st December1849 and continues right through up to the last entry dated 8th January 1884. I have a copy of all 700 entries where all 32 Irish counties get a mention. If anyone has a problem with the priest's phonetic rendering of place names I am willing to help.
J.T.A.
Hello, I have heard from hundreds of people over the years stating that they do not know what part of Ireland their ancestors came from.
The census so often just stated "Ireland" and the marriage cert. gave no help.
In Roman Catholic parishes pre1871 ish.....a lot of them asked for addresses of Fathers and witnesses.
From the parish of Felling Co Durham....1870 a grooms father was recorded from Ireland..... parish name and Co Armagh!
Well worth looking into the original parish registers!
Good luck!
Is there a James Frain married to Hannah Green in 1881 by any chance. All I have is that they were married in Gateshead District but Hannah was born Felling. James was originally Roscommon but no further detail than that.
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
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Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
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Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
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In some places there was no Catholic Church until the 2nd half of the 19th century. St Godric's RC Church in Durham City, for example, was built in the 1860s with Irish money.
Prior to that some Catholics used other churches - my Irish Catholic ancestors were married in St Oswald's Anglican Church in Durham in 1847. However I've yet to find the baptism records for their two sons, John Loftus (b c 1850) and Martin Loftus (b 1851), so wonder which church they used for that.
Sadly there are very few clues to help us identify the birthplaces of our Irish Durham ancestors, so Founder's suggestion of seeking out RC parish records where they exist, is a good one.
With best wishes
Moni
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Moni,
You do not say where your Loftus ancestors were living at the time. If it was close to Durham City though, the first church baptismal registers to search would be St Cuthbert's R.C. Durham City.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
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Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
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Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
Great stuff, thanks J.T.A.
Certainly didn't have James' (my g.grandad) parents before, I'd always assumed he'd come across from Ireland by himself. Only problem now is I can't seem to locate Mathias and Bridget anywhere in the North East before or after this date!
The 1901 Census has James (born Roscommon abt 1835) and Hannah living in Newcastle with a lodger called Robert Green (Uncle to their kids) so this would seem to validate it's the right family.
Their are quite a few Children including John who was born before the marriage.
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Re Irish marriages. I have searching for ages for a marriage in Co. Durham between George McDonald and Mary Kelly around 1850. George was from Mayo and Mary from Roscommon. They lived in mining communities eg Birtley, Winlaton. Have you any marriages, please in your lists that might fit?
Many thanks for your time
Scarbro
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www.brsgenealogy.com
A website for searching Irish BMD parish records. Coverage is patchy but growing. Its expensive, 5 Euros to view a record, so not recommended for blanket research. But it if you have an ancestor with a fairly unusual name, or if you can cross-check bride and grooms names on the free search facility, it may be worth a punt.
Alan.
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Dear JTA
Thanks for the info about St Cuthbert's Church.
My Loftuses were indeed in Durham City - Framwellgate in 1851 and therefore St Cuthbert's would seem the right place to look. Unfortunately, the online Bishop's Transcripts are not available for that period, nor is there anything on Durham Records Online etc.
I may put in a request on the Look Up board....!
With thanks and best wishes
Moni
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Re Irish marriages. I have searching for ages for a marriage in Co. Durham between George McDonald and Mary Kelly around 1850. George was from Mayo and Mary from Roscommon. They lived in mining communities eg Birtley, Winlaton. Have you any marriages, please in your lists that might fit?
Many thanks for your time
Scarbro
All I Know is that they were not married at St Patrick's, Felling during that period. You did not state their religion but if they were Catholic, the churches to check are St Joseph's, Birtley and Sa. Mary and Thomas Aquinas, Stella.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Re Irish marriages. I have searching for ages for a marriage in Co. Durham between George McDonald and Mary Kelly around 1850. George was from Mayo and Mary from Roscommon. They lived in mining communities eg Birtley, Winlaton. Have you any marriages, please in your lists that might fit?
Many thanks for your time
Scarbro
Hello Scarbro,
I have dozens of ancestors in the Birtley area from Ireland. Crawford and Charles are their surnames. They arrived c. 1890's. Do either of these surnames look familiar to you?
Lynn
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Dear all.
Many thanks for your suggestions re George McDonald and Mary Kelly. They were married c 1850 as their 2 daughters Mary and Margaret were born Birtley c 1852 and 1854. I have found the family in the 61, 71 and 81 censuses but not in 1851. I am assuming that they came over to Co. Durham post 1845-7 in the Potato Famine.
Regards
Scarbro
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Dear all.
Many thanks for your suggestions re George McDonald and Mary Kelly. They were married c 1850 as their 2 daughters Mary and Margaret were born Birtley c 1852 and 1854. I have found the family in the 61, 71 and 81 censuses but not in 1851. I am assuming that they came over to Co. Durham post 1845-7 in the Potato Famine.
Regards
Scarbro
Do you know the route they took from Ireland to Co.Durham? It has puzzled me for years. I'm sure they were all using the same trasport. For example did they sail in to the Tyne and make their way south, or did they sail over to a coastal town in Cumbria and make their way across land?
I'd love to know.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
I would imagine the vast majority came in through Liverpool and/or maybe Stranraer. I have a lot of relatives from Ireland who lived in Hull and I think they came in through Liverpool as they lived and got married in Ormskirk. Whatever, the mining in Co. Durham certainly gave them a livelihood, albeit very hard. In 1 census the McDonalds moved to the West Riding to work in the mills but later moved back to the mining in Winlaton/ Gateshead.
All the best
Scarbro
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Dear all.
Many thanks for your suggestions re George McDonald and Mary Kelly. They were married c 1850 as their 2 daughters Mary and Margaret were born Birtley c 1852 and 1854. I have found the family in the 61, 71 and 81 censuses but not in 1851. I am assuming that they came over to Co. Durham post 1845-7 in the Potato Famine.
Regards
Scarbro
Do you know the route they took from Ireland to Co.Durham? It has puzzled me for years. I'm sure they were all using the same trasport. For example did they sail in to the Tyne and make their way south, or did they sail over to a coastal town in Cumbria and make their way across land?
I'd love to know.
Lynn
The route they took would have mainly been determined by where they were travelling from. Most of the Irish who came to the North East were from the provinces of Connaught and Ulster but as the marriages of St Patrick's, Felling prove, they came from every county of Ireland. Many of the Ulster folk entered through Maryport in Cumberland and worked their way east, often on foot. The Connaught folk mainly sailed from the port of Sligo via Derry Belfast and Glasgow on route to Liverpool. For these passengers travelling to the North East who could afford the fares, the quickest way was to leave the boat at Glasgow, hop on a train to Edinburgh and from there catch a boat to one of the ports on the Tyne or Wear. After Tyne Dock was opened in 1859 this appeared to be the most common port of entry based on the oral tradition of one of my ancestral lines originated in Sligo. After eighteen years of research, I have found little or no evidence that the Irish came to these to these parts via Liverpool though my great-grandfather who came from Co Klidare in the province of Leinster probably travelled that way as he had already been to America and back before heading for the Durham coal fields. I have yet to learn where my Co Monaghan ancestors entered the country but I suspect it was Mary Port.
In the case if your family Lynne, if they came to Birtley as late as the 1890's, that was fifty years after the Famine so there is a strong possibility that "chain migration" brought them there.
J.T.A.
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I was told (many years ago) by an elderly aunt that the Crawfords came from Co.Mayo. I have found a few that fit the bill lodging in Barrow-in-Furness of all places, that why I asked if they could have come across via a Cumbrian port. They were all C of E once they came over here.
What is chain migration ?
Lynn
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That's interesting because Crawford was a very rare name in Co Mayo with only four households listed for the whole of the County in the Primary valuation of Ireland which in the case of Mayo was surveyed in 1856 and you would not find many non Catholics there, however in that survey a Robert Crawford leased a house from The Ecclesiastical Commissioner next door to the Church of Ireland in the town of Ballycastle who could well have been connected with your ancestry.
Chain migration refers to those who emigrated at a later stage encouraged by those who had already settled in a certain district who were usually relations or friends from their place of origin.
J.T.A.
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I did some digging round years ago and apparently Westport used to have a high non catholic population. So if I could ever get over there that would be the first place I'd look.
Chain migration is exactly how they came over. I have two brothers on the 1891 census then the whole family is there in Birtley 10 years later on 1901.
Lynn
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Lynn,
It may be worthwhile to make a note of the following for future reference.
J.T.A.
St. John’s Church, Ballycastle, Co Mayo.
St. John’s Church was built in 1827 and is the oldest building in the town. The Church grounds contain 18 headstones, the oldest of which is dated 1865 and bears the name of Robert Crawford.
Ministers name is Dean Ardis and Service is held at 9.00a.m.on Sundays in Summer time and at 8.00p.m. on Saturdays in Winter time.
St. John’s Hall, beside the Church, was built as a soup kitchen in Famine times.
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Thank so much.
I've made a note of that. My grandfather was called Robert Crawford so there could be a connection. His father was William Crawford and his mother was Martha. Martha died over in England, but I suspect her husband, (my great grandfather) died in Ireland c. 1890 as he is the only family member who never appears on the English census. I have checked the local churches, and council cemeteries and he is no where to be found. So I'm 99% sure he never made the trip.
Many thanks
Lynn
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Can anyone help me track my ancestors James Mackin B.1809 Ireland
I have him on census 1851 with wife Catherine, sons Thomas B. 1832, & Nackin (not heard this name before) B. 1838 all born Ireland. lived at
Portobella Lane Monkwearmouth,
thanks ruby
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Hello Moni. Here are the two baptisms for Loftus at St Cuthberts, Durham City:-
John Loftus, born 28/October/1849, baptised 4/November/1849, parents patrick and and Susan Loftus, (no maiden name given) sponsor Hugh Ginnaly?
Martin Loftus, born 25/September/1851, baptised 28/September/1851, Parents Patrick and Susan Loftus, maiden name Archer, sponsors Matthew and Hannah Higgins.
Adam
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Dear Adam
This is brilliant and unexpected. These are my Loftuses. Thank you very much indeed for finding the baptism records. I had almost given up hope!
Did the records give any other information - address, occupation, place of origin in Ireland etc?
John and Martin's mother, Susan/Susannah Loftus nee Archer gave conflicting information about her origin in later censuses - in one she said she was from Roscommon and in another from Louisburgh (Co. Mayo). At a guess her husband Patrick Loftus came from Mayo.
With thanks again for making my day
Best wishes
Moni
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Hello Moni. That is all the information that it gives.
I do have four deaths and another three baptisms for Loftus (each with a different maiden name)
I would think that they are related. Do you want them?
Adam
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Dear Adam
I would welcome information on the other Loftus entries that you spotted as they are very likely to be related.
Thank you very much indeed for this.
With very best wishes
Moni
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Hello Moni. Sorry about the delay. Have been out of fettle for a while.
Any way here is the remaining Loftus information:-
Jacabus Loftus, born 1/March/1884, baptised 30/March/1884, parents Joannes and Agnetis Loftus, maiden name Connor, sponsors Thomas and Maria Connor, address
just given as Houghall.
Maria Margarita Loftus, born 5/September/1865, baptised 1/October, parents Martini and Margarita Loftus, maiden name Walsh?, sponsors Francis Cusson, address given as Shincliffe,
Thomas Loftus, born1/Sep/1880, baptised 9/September/1880. parents Jacobi and Margaret Loftus, maiden name Mc Gee, sponsors Margaret McCullough, address given as Water lane.
Deaths all from St Bede's Durham:-
Does not give a lot of information but here goes.
Brigitta Loftus, died 1/September/1886, Millburngate, aged 76 years.
Patricus Loftus, died 4/December1872, Dunelmo, aged 52 years.
Maria Loftus, died 18/June/1878, Sherburn Hill, aged 1 year.
Patricus Loftus, died 6/September/1878, Sherburn Hill, aged two and a half years.
You will of course notice that the priest has put some of the names in Latin.
Most priests spell them different but I am sure you will be OK with them
Adam
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Dear Adam
I'm sorry to hear you've been out of sorts, but hope you're back to full strength now. You still replied surprisingly quickly!
Thank you very much for this information. I've no problem with the Latin versions of names and several of these Loftuses are mine. So fantastic - it's filled in a few gaps and stopped the wind blowing through my family tree!
With many thanks and best wishes for health and happiness
Moni
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Can anyone help me track my ancestors James Mackin B.1809 Ireland
I have him on census 1851 with wife Catherine, sons Thomas B. 1832, & Nackin (not heard this name before) B. 1838 all born Ireland. lived at
Portobella Lane Monkwearmouth,
thanks ruby
What else do you know about the Mackin family? If they were Catholic, a comprehensive search of St Mary's, Bishopwearmouth marriage registers may yield some clues.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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It will be some time before I can make it to the DRO, in the meantime I wonder if you Adam or anyone else can provide me with any of the baptismal sponsors for the following family:
John Malone originated from Drummond in the parish of Inniskeen, Co Monaghan and on the 25th June 1866 married Catherine Fitzpatrick at the Catholic Church of St Wilfred's, Bishop Auckland whilst both parties were living at Spennymoor. I have the marriage certificate
Ist child: Peter was born Spennymoor June Quarter of 1867: was probably baptised St Charles' Tudhoe.
2nd child: Mary A was born Halifax, Yorkshire September quarter of 1869 so does not apply.
Family returned to Durham by 1871 when Catherine Fitzpatrick died and John married again 18th November 1872 to Catherine McPhillips at the Catholic Church of Our Lady Immaculate and St Cuthbert, Crook. I also have that marriage certificate.
The family then returned to Ireland where the next two children Patrick (1874)and James (1875) were born at Drummond, Inniskeen, Co Monaghan. I have these two baptisms.
5th child: Thomas was born Willlington in the March quarter of 1878: was probably baptised Our Lady and St Thomas, Willington.
6th child: Catherine was born Bearpark in the June Quarter of 1880: was probably baptised St Godric's, Framwellgate.
7th child: Rose Ann was born at Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1882.
8th child: Bridget was born at Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1884.
9th child: Elizabeth was born Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1886.
These three children were probably baptised Our Lady Immaculate and St Cuthbert, Crook.
10th child: Margaret was born at Esh in the December quarter of 1888.
11th child: Ellen was born at Esh in the March quarter of 1891.
These last two children were probably baptised at either St Michael's, Esh Laude or Our Lady Queen of Martyrs, Esh Winning.
Many thanks,
J.T.A.
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Hello J.T.A. There are no baptisms for Malone or any variations on that name at Our Lady Immaculate and St Cuthbert, Crook.
The dates that you have given would suggest that it May be Our lady and St Thomas, Willington.
There is one death entry for Crook and that is Malone Jacobus, 8/September/1878 aged 3 years, address Willington.
Crook will have been the burial place because like Wolsingham it had its own Catholic graveyard.
Adam
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Hello Adam,
Many thanks for your prompt reply. John Malone, according to an inquest in September 1886 was an uncle of my grandfather Patrick Keenan. at that time John Malone was living at Stanley Crook and more specifically, Wooley Terrace, Stanley Crook at the time of the 1881 census whilst the Keenan family lived at Willington from 1855 to 1890.
According to the 1991 census Rose Ann, Bridget and Elizabeth Malone were all born at Stanley which is in the Auckland registration district where they are recorded in the GRO indexes, whereas Willington is in the Durham registration district. It is possible that there was a reason why these children were baptised at Willington where they had lived previously but I find it odd if that was the case as they would have had to pass the church at Crook on the way to Willington from Stanley Crook.
The James Malone death you found in 1878 at Willington corresponds with the James who was born in Drummond, Inniskeen in 1875 which accounts for the reason why he is not included in the next census. I am familiar with that churchyard as that is were my grandfather's brother was buried.
Thanks again,
J.T.A.
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Hello J.T.A. Here is the inscription of a Malone burial stone. Of course you may have it already:-
In loving memory of Edward, the beloved son of James and Elizabeth Jane Malone, who died at Low Willington July/12/1908 aged 9 months.
Adam
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Thanks for that Adam but it must be a different family. I had more or less completed my Keenan/Martin family research in Durham over 15 years ago except for being stumped over who the unnamed uncle of my grandfather could be who was mentioned in the inquest of his brother James Keenan in 1886 and it has taken me all those years to recently discover that his name was John Malone, a name that I had not touched on previously, so I am only in the early stages of research into the Malone family in an effort to establish the exact relationship. What I have been able to prove so far is that the Keenans and Malones came from the same place in Co Monaghan and that John Malone married twice to a Fitzpatrick and a McPhillips so the connection could be with any of those three families. The Malones moved from Stanley Crook to Esh circa 1887 and were still at Esh in 1901.
J.T.A.
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Hello J.T.A. There are no baptisms for Malone or any variations on that name at Our Lady Immaculate and St Cuthbert, Crook.
The dates that you have given would suggest that it May be Our lady and St Thomas, Willington.
There is one death entry for Crook and that is Malone Jacobus, 8/September/1878 aged 3 years, address Willington.
Crook will have been the burial place because like Wolsingham it had its own Catholic graveyard.
Adam
Hello Adam,
I was thinking that the Malone children born at Stanley Crook may have been baptised at St Joseph's, Tow Law. I note you do look up offers for that church on a separate posting but I don't see a reply box for to enter my request so I'm trying here.
The three children of John Malone and Catherine McPhillips are:
7th child: Rose Ann was born at Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1882.
8th child: Bridget was born at Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1884.
9th child: Elizabeth was born Stanley Crook in the December quarter of 1886.
Compliments of the Season,
J.T.A.
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Hello J.T.A. They are not in the Tow Law or Wolsingham registers.
So they not at crook, not at Tow Law, Wolsingham, so they must be in the Willington registers.
I even crossed checked against the maiden names of McPhilips (none)and Fitzpatrick without any luck
Adam
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Many thanks Adam, they appear to have lived at Willington on their return from Ireland in 1878 where one of their sons, Thomas was born and James who you found buried at Crook Catholic Churchyard, died in the same year. Fr Reid at Willington allowed me access to the church registers many years ago long before they were deposited at the DRO, alas I was not aware of the Malone connection at the time.
J.T.A.
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Mr Arthur
I have been trying in vain to find any record of the marriage between Ann Convery born Bill Quay 1862 and Frank Conway born Walker Northumberland, 1854.
Also the marriage of her parents, Charles Convery, Ireland,1828 and Roseanne McCann, Dumfries 1835.
I wondered if you could help. Where did Catholics living in Bill Quay before St. Patricks was built get married?
Many thanks
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St Patrick's Felling Marriage Register
13th May 1854:
Charles Convery of Bill Quay son of John Convery and Mary McCullough of the Parish of Maghera, Co Derry
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Rosanna McCann of Bill Quay daughter of Edward McCann and Margaret Kelly of Bill Quay.
Witnessed by: James Pharrel of Jarrow and Mary Henry of Bill Quay.
I don't see Ann Convery's marriage in the same register which ends 8th January 1884.
I think the McCann's may have originated from the parish of Ardee, Co Louth.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Thank you so much for replying so quickly. I have spent hours going round in circles trying to find this out and came across this website by accident!
Two branches of the family in Canada have been trying too. Now, thanks to you, we have some new information to work with.
Perhaps Ann Convery married in Jarrow or Hebburn as St Patricks would not have existed at the time of her wedding which must have been around 1880. - I will keep looking.
Thanks again!
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Ann Convery married Francis Conway 1887 in the Gateshead Registration District. They probably married at St Patrick's, Felling in which case the entry will be in the second volume.
Ann CONVERY
Spouse: Francis CONWAY
Date: Q2 1887
Register: R050/143
J.T.A.
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Thanks again! You have been so helpful -I suspect the Irish part of my search will be more difficult.
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Yes, but the registers of St Patrick's, Felling have given you a good start. You now know that your Convery/McCullough ancestors came from the parish of Maghera, Co Derry.
At least two other of Rosanna McCann's sisters also married at Felling and at least two McCann daughters were born in Scotland, so it is possible that their parents, Edward McCann and Margaret Kelly married in Scotland.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Thanks, thats very encouraging, I'll let you know how I get on. I would like to visit St. Patricks one day. I'm from South Shields originally, so I could go and see the church when on a family visit.
Many thanks.
K. Pick
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If you check the I.G.I. for Scotland you will see an Edward McCann married a Margaret Kelly at Kirkcudbright 13th June 1830 which fits. Finding information about the McCann and Kelly families in Ireland earlier than that date will be difficult but if this marriage record happens to name their fathers, at least it will help.
J.T.A.
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I will try to get a copy, thanks for letting me know. I haven't come across Helen Slater yet as I've never used Genes Reunited, only Ancestry. I will try to contact her however. Does she use Roots Chat?
Many Thanks
Kathleen
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Kathleen,
I mentioned the lady in question in my Personal Message to you in order to comply with the living person rule. Will send you another P.M. which you may reply to without it being published on this thread.
J.T.A.
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I wonder if anyone has come across a BARNARD/BERNARD WARD born @1811 or JOHN WARD born @1836 his son coming over from ??Co Tyrone
JOHN /BRIDGET nee BRENNAN /BRANNEN McGUIRE/MAGUIRE born @1840 also from IRELAND settled in WOLSINGHAM
FELIX /MARY nee DONACHY /DONAGHY McCALL/McCOLL born @1830
I have a lot of information of when they settled in the north east area of ENGLAND but would love to get some IRISH information of where they came from
Irish eyes
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Hi
I suspect I am the "lady in question".
Ann Convery and Francis Conway have been a bit of discussion lately as others have Francis(Frank) Conway as marrying Ann Wall. Is anyone able to search for these people? I think they will have married around 1883. They had a son Frank in 1884.
Thanks
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A Francis Conway and Annie Wall have the same GRO marriage reference number for the year 1885 at Newcastle upon Tyne but I don't see them listed in the Newcastle upon Tyne BMD indexes.
J.T.A.
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Hi - I wonder if anyone could help point me in the right direction?
My gt. grandma Catherine Duke was christened in March 1829 at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Bishopwearmouth, Durham. Her parents were John Duke and Mary Mahady.
In the 1841 Census John and Mary were listed as born in Ireland and from their ages it would have been c. 1796.
This is the only information I have for them. Where do I go from here? Cannot find any other details for them in Durham. Would the actual church transcripts hold further information?
Many thanks
Swampduck
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Unfortunately Fr John Kelly and his successor Fr Thomas Carroll at St Patricks, Felling were an exception to the rule. Up to 1856 the registers were recorded on plain paper when most priests gave additional information including the addresses of the bride and groom's parents. In 1856 new books were issued which restricted the amount of information that could be entered for each entry. Apparently the first Felling marriage register commenced 21st December1849 and continues right through up to the last entry dated 8th January 1884. I have a copy of all 700 entries where all 32 Irish counties get a mention. If anyone has a problem with the priest's phonetic rendering of place names I am willing to help.
J.T.A.
Hello, I have heard from hundreds of people over the years stating that they do not know what part of Ireland their ancestors came from.
The census so often just stated "Ireland" and the marriage cert. gave no help.
In Roman Catholic parishes pre1871 ish.....a lot of them asked for addresses of Fathers and witnesses.
From the parish of Felling Co Durham....1870 a grooms father was recorded from Ireland..... parish name and Co Armagh!
Well worth looking into the original parish registers!
Good luck!
Hi JTA,
I would be very grateful if you could check St Patricks, Felling for any mention of any McGuires between 1860 and 1884 as my grandfather Patrick McGuire was a Catholic and was born in Fellings but I don't know when. It is likely he and his family attended St Patricks.
Many thanks
Chris Perry
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Hello JT Arthur,
Would you be kind enough to check your St Patrick's Felling records for any McGuires between 1860 - 1884. My grandfather Patrick McGuire was born in Felling to Irish parents and was a Cathloic so they probably attended Syt Patrick's Chapel.
Many thanks
Chris Perry
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Can you be more specific? I only have the marriages, do you know when your grandfather was born and the names of his parents?
J.T.A.
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I believe he was born in 1873 or 1874. His father was Thomas McGuire. I am not sure of his mother's name although it could have been Ann Jane
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Sorry but Patrick's father does not appear to have married at St Patrick's, Felling. There is no marriage of a Thomas McGuire listed.
The GRO Index lists a Patrick McGuire whose birth was registered in the December quarter of 1874 at Gateshead which fits.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Mnay thanks JTA for your help. It was a long shot. I have ordered a copy of the birth certificate for the Patrick McGuire you mention and will keep my fingers crossed.
Cheers
Chris
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
to
Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
to
Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
Great stuff, thanks J.T.A.
Certainly didn't have James' (my g.grandad) parents before, I'd always assumed he'd come across from Ireland by himself. Only problem now is I can't seem to locate Mathias and Bridget anywhere in the North East before or after this date!
The 1901 Census has James (born Roscommon abt 1835) and Hannah living in Newcastle with a lodger called Robert Green (Uncle to their kids) so this would seem to validate it's the right family.
Their are quite a few Children including John who was born before the marriage.
Hi Billy Fish,
I've just started looking up my family history and came across your post, my great great grandfather was James Frain the same as your g grandfather. My g grandmother was their daughter Bridget. I dont have much more info beyond James apart from what I have seen on your posts. I would love to know what info you have, i have a couple of photos of James Frain and have posted them maybe you have never seen these.
Hope to hear from you James.
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I had great help regarding Ireland at the following site.......
www.ancestralservices.com
I know its difficult if you do not know the County but it does work the other way too......imagine John Smith born England!
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
to
Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
to
Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
Great stuff, thanks J.T.A.
Certainly didn't have James' (my g.grandad) parents before, I'd always assumed he'd come across from Ireland by himself. Only problem now is I can't seem to locate Mathias and Bridget anywhere in the North East before or after this date!
The 1901 Census has James (born Roscommon abt 1835) and Hannah living in Newcastle with a lodger called Robert Green (Uncle to their kids) so this would seem to validate it's the right family.
Their are quite a few Children including John who was born before the marriage.
Hi Billy Fish,
I've just started looking up my family history and came across your post, my great great grandfather was James Frain the same as your g grandfather. My g grandmother was their daughter Bridget. I dont have much more info beyond James apart from what I have seen on your posts. I would love to know what info you have, i have a couple of photos of James Frain and have posted them maybe you have never seen these.
Hope to hear from you James.
James,
Fantastic stuff if it's the same James Frain we've got!
I've certainly not seen the photograph before and would be very interested in any others you may have and any information relating to them.
The family of James and Hannah that I have is as follows
Male (looks like Jane in the census but it's male!) 1876, Felling
John 1877, Felling
Mary Hannah 1881, Hetton-le-Hole
Bridget 1884, Felling (your g Grandma?)
James 1886, Wardley
Rose Ann 1889, Newcastle
Ellen 1890-1979, Newcastle (My Grandma)
Ann 1893, Newcastle
Matthew 1896, Usworth
I've still not been able to trace anything back on James, or his Parents Mathias and Bridget, before 1881 or been able to find them in the 1881 census. Is the Photograph of James the elder or of the son? If it's the elder and he was in the army that could account for him being elusive earlier. He may well have been married before Hannah as the two elder children were born well before the marriage ???
I've managed to go back a little bit further with his wife Hannah Green, let me know if the above fits with your information and we can compare notes further if we have a hit!!
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This is i know a very long shot
I know that John WATSON married Catherine CUGGAN of Co Tyrone in the Gateshead district in 1850
Is it possible that they married in Felling RC Church I think John was a widower Catherine would have been about 27 so she may also have been a widow
thank you for any help you can give.
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
to
Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
to
Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
Great stuff, thanks J.T.A.
Certainly didn't have James' (my g.grandad) parents before, I'd always assumed he'd come across from Ireland by himself. Only problem now is I can't seem to locate Mathias and Bridget anywhere in the North East before or after this date!
The 1901 Census has James (born Roscommon abt 1835) and Hannah living in Newcastle with a lodger called Robert Green (Uncle to their kids) so this would seem to validate it's the right family.
Their are quite a few Children including John who was born before the marriage.
Hi Billy Fish,
I've just started looking up my family history and came across your post, my great great grandfather was James Frain the same as your g grandfather. My g grandmother was their daughter Bridget. I dont have much more info beyond James apart from what I have seen on your posts. I would love to know what info you have, i have a couple of photos of James Frain and have posted them maybe you have never seen these.
Hope to hear from you James.
James,
Fantastic stuff if it's the same James Frain we've got!
I've certainly not seen the photograph before and would be very interested in any others you may have and any information relating to them.
The family of James and Hannah that I have is as follows
Male (looks like Jane in the census but it's male!) 1876, Felling
John 1877, Felling
Mary Hannah 1881, Hetton-le-Hole
Bridget 1884, Felling (your g Grandma?)
James 1886, Wardley
Rose Ann 1889, Newcastle
Ellen 1890-1979, Newcastle (My Grandma)
Ann 1893, Newcastle
Matthew 1896, Usworth
I've still not been able to trace anything back on James, or his Parents Mathias and Bridget, before 1881 or been able to find them in the 1881 census. Is the Photograph of James the elder or of the son? If it's the elder and he was in the army that could account for him being elusive earlier. He may well have been married before Hannah as the two elder children were born well before the marriage ???
I've managed to go back a little bit further with his wife Hannah Green, let me know if the above fits with your information and we can compare notes further if we have a hit!!
Dear Billy,
I do have a couple of more photos, perhaps you could give me your email address as it took a while to upload on here.
It seems to be the same James Frain i have a bit more info from a old family bible that we have, for example it definatley is a Jane the census is marked incorrectly. Here is the info below -
Jane Frain
Born: Fellling on Tyne
Married to: William Anderson at Washington R.C.Church
Died at: Don Gardens Washington
Hannah Frain
Born:
Married to: James Johnston at Washington R.C.Church
Died at: Ponteland
James Frain
Died at: Washington 10/2/1971
John Frain
Married to: Scabella Coulon at Washington R.C.Church
Rose Frain
Married to: Daniel Doherty at Blyth R.C.Church
Died at: Derry, Northern Ireland
Ellen Frain
Born: Newcastle-on-Tyne
Married to: William Wilkinson, Washington R.C.Church
Mathew Frain
Born : Usworth 12th September 1885
Married to: Cecilia Conroy at St.Marys Newcastle-on-Tyne
Died at: Washigton 8th December 1961
Anne Frain
Born: Newcastle-on-Tyne 1st October 1892
I would love to know what info you have about hannah green - my email is (*)
Thanks
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This is i know a very long shot
I know that John WATSON married Catherine CUGGAN of Co Tyrone in the Gateshead district in 1850
Is it possible that they married in Felling RC Church I think John was a widower Catherine would have been about 27 so she may also have been a widow
thank you for any help you can give.
Sorry but it's not in the St Patrick's, Felling mariage registers.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Many thanks I thought it was a long shot
Trees
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Dear Billy,
I do have a couple of more photos, perhaps you could give me your email address as it took a while to upload on here.
It seems to be the same James Frain i have a bit more info from a old family bible that we have, for example it definatley is a Jane the census is marked incorrectly. Here is the info below -
Jane Frain
Born: Fellling on Tyne
Married to: William Anderson at Washington R.C.Church
Died at: Don Gardens Washington
Hannah Frain
Born:
Married to: James Johnston at Washington R.C.Church
Died at: Ponteland
James Frain
Died at: Washington 10/2/1971
John Frain
Married to: Scabella Coulon at Washington R.C.Church
Rose Frain
Married to: Daniel Doherty at Blyth R.C.Church
Died at: Derry, Northern Ireland
Ellen Frain
Born: Newcastle-on-Tyne
Married to: William Wilkinson, Washington R.C.Church
Mathew Frain
Born : Usworth 12th September 1885
Married to: Cecilia Conroy at St.Marys Newcastle-on-Tyne
Died at: Washigton 8th December 1961
Anne Frain
Born: Newcastle-on-Tyne 1st October 1892
I would love to know what info you have about hannah green - my email is (*)
Thanks
James,
I've sent you a PM so hopefully you'll have received that.
Regarding some of the info above, I've done a quick review on FreeBMD and noted that John married Isabella Conlon abt Jun 1902. Maybe the family didn't like her and called her Scabella!!
Ellen was born 11th November 1890 and died 22 Feb 1979 in Washington she married William abt Dec 1922. They had seven children together and William was a widower and had children from the previous marriage.
Annie died a few years after Ellen also in Washington, I remember her as a lovely old Lady.
Bill
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Where exactly in County Tyrone my great grandparents came from was a mystery, until I found from the 1911 census that my great grandmother Dorothy Glasgow put her birthplace as Oritor Craigs, a townland in County Tyrone, near Cookstown.
My Irish born great grandfather William Swailes died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1908, so no 1911 information for him. The family legend passed down to my dad (died 1992) and my aunt (still full of life) was that their grandad William came from Cookstown and had a pony and trap, and that the pony knew its way home from the pub. Not much of an Irish legacy perhaps, but my dad's numerous uncles were all hard working Co. Durham miners. Dad said they 'signed the pledge'.
Tom Swailes
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hi all Irish in co durham
in my family we have
mccarick from co sligo (living in gateshead)
o'neill (living in gateshead)
starting with a john mccarrick married to a bridget from sligo
peter mccarrick married to a ellen mccarrick (nee mannion)
all living in gateshead
we do not have much info on the o'neill family just that a jaen o'neill married to robert pearson in gateshead
in late 1930/40s
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What are the counties of Ireland represented in Co. Durham? I've seen some posts that mention Counties Armagh, Monaghan and Mayo. Are there other counties and is one county more represented than others?
Thank you,
Margaret
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All 32 Counties were represented but most came from the provinces of Ulster and Connaught. The three Counties you mention were well represented.
J.T.A.
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Thank you for your quick response. I was hoping to narrow down the selection of counties but it seems safe to say that the Province of Ulster would be the most populous in Co. Durham.
Thank you,
Margaret
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Not safe at all, it depends where they settled. For example a large community from Co Waterford in the Province of Leinster first settled Whickham/Sunniside and a large community from Co Galway in the Province of Connaught first settled Blaydon/Winlaton followed by chain migration. Also some parishes spanned not just Counties but Provinces as well. For instance my grandfather's sister married a neighbour yet she was from Co Monaghan in the Province of Ulster and he from Co Louth in the Province of Leinster, both in the parish of Inniskeen who had lived no more than two miles apart.
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Before somebody corrects me, Waterford is in the Provence of Munster not Leinster.
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The Dowdle (Dowdall) family lived in both Hartlepool and Sunderland. The Dowdalls come from certain areas in Ireland and if the Irish immigrants in Hartlepool and Sunderland mainly come from certain counties in Ireland it would be helpful to know which ones. Of course like you mentioned there are some exceptions and nothing can be assumed
Thank you,
Margaret
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I can see your problem; though Dowdall is not particularly common in Ireland it is a very widespread name and as the two Durham towns you mention are ports of entry many did not go any further if work was to be found; however, within these towns some groups of families known to each other prior to emigration would have settled in close proximity and intermarried, you just need forever to be looking for clues.
If you can provide more information someone might be able to help.
J.T.A.
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Dear J.T.A.
The following is the information I have, which makes me think they might have possibly come from Drogheda or Dublin since both had ports. JAMES HENRY DOWDLE was born in Hartlepool in 1904.he worked in the shipyard as did his father Patrick Dowdle and his grandfather Patrick Dowdle(Sr). His father PATRICK DOWDLE was born in Sunderland, Co Durham in 1875. Patrick Dowdle married Catherine Keechen in Sunderland in 1873. Keechen is obviously misspelled. The Irish brogue lent itself to a lot of interpretation to various spellings. PATRICK DOWDLE SR. was born abt 1850 in Ireland. They had cousins in Scotland by the name of McDonnell who were born in Ireland. Since McDonnell is an Ulster name it gives more weight to the idea that this Dowdle family came from Ulster but..........
Thank you,
Margaret
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Dear Mr Arthur
I was wondering if you would be good enough to look at the marriage records for the felling parish of St Patricks.
In particular the Surname "Luke", the earliest date would be 4 Oct 1874, David Luke (Irish) married a Barbara Winship, I know they lived in felling and run the Malting Inn Pub he was also an undertaker. I am after details for him and his father Henry. Also if any of the Luke Children grew up and married there also. It is because of the Irish side that Im having difficulty tracing any further back
Many thanks
Roy
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Sorry Roy but the marriage took place Newcastle 1874 so wrong side of the Tyne and I have not come across the name Luke in the Catholic records of St Patrick's.
Good luck,
J.T.A.
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Earlier on in this thread, someone asked about any news on Mackin.
Honoria Mackin (born c1888) in Felling. I think that she was the daughter of John (born Ireland 1843) and Mary A (born Heworth 1852) but am not sure. Honoria married Patrick Murtha (b 1890 Sunderland). Patrick is the grandson of Michael Murtha (b1819 in Dundalk, Co Louth). There are many Murtha descendants from Michael (lots of sons!) and his brother John (b1823) who both left Dundalk in 1855/56.
They probably travelled on a boat from Dundalk owned by the Dundalk Steam Packet Company which merged in 1871 to form the Dundalk and Newry steam Packet Company and which merged into the British and Irish Steamship Company. Sailings between Dundalk and Liverpool ceased in 1968. Dundalk would have been the nearst port from Connaught "as the crow would have flown".
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For those who could it afford it, the Connaught folk sailed from the the Port of Sligo via Derry to Glasgow and from there a short railway journey to Edinburgh where they would catch another boat to wherever they were going down the east coast.
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Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.
Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
to
Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.
You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:
Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
to
Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.
I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.
J.T.A.
Any help on this one greatly appreciated.
Would the marriage of Patricks parents be at St Patricks? Trying to establish where in Armagh the parents come from. Just guessing that Patrick and Rose where married circa 1850. Patricks father was born in Armagh circa 1810-20.
Dido
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I would like to ask Mr JTA if there is any information on the origin of the parents of Michael McQuade and Elizabeth Moran in the marriage register at St Patrick's, Felling on 17th August 1870, entry no. 21. Many thanks
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Only where the parents lived at the time is recorded and it was locally for both parties in this case. It is just when the parents have remained behind you often get a clue to the family origins.
Good luck.
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PS: McQuade was rarely to be found outside Tyrone during that period.
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PS: McQuade was rarely to be found outside Tyrone during that period.
Not sure that statement is correct since from start of civil registration index there are McQuade births, etc. in lots of different parts of Ireland: Belfast, Monaghan, Londonderry, Fermanagh, Dublin, Louth, etc.
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Irish civil registration commenced (1864) was post Famine by which time many families had moved elsewhere in the country. The request was for the origin of the parents who would have been born around 30 years earlier. The Primary Valuation of Ireland surveyed 1848 to 1864 is a better guide where only a handful were listed outside Tyrone, therefore my advise would be to narrow the search to Tyrone and adjacent counties to commence with bearing in mind a large group of immigrants settled in this parish from the parish of Mullaghbrack, Co Armagh.
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Griffith's Valuation results for surname McQuade (not taking in spelling variations & people being listed more than once)-
Tyrone (110), Monaghan (59), Armagh (39), Longford (29), Fermanagh (22), Antrim (15), Dublin (14), Cavan (12), Louth (11), Down (8 ), Meath (4), Westmeath (4)Donegal (2), Mayo (2), Carlow (1), Leitrim (1), Sligo (1).
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Many thanks to JTA and Aghadowey. I have found the Griffiths entries, but not been able to find other documentary evidence that they are my ancestors.
Felling
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me with this as I have hit a brick wall. My mothers Maternal side came from Ireland. The first of which was Patrick Casey b. abt 1826. I bought his wedding certificate to Bridget Higgins hoping to find out where in Ireland he came from but it did not help. It was held in the St. Marys catholic chapel, Bridge St., Sunderland Union on the 21 November 1849. The only new info it gave me was that his father was also Patrick and hers was John, both labourers. He was living in Robinsons lane and she in Baines Lane Sunderland. I have found them on later census at Baines lane with their children. If anyone has the time and resources I would appreciate it if you could tell me what county and parish in Ireland they originated from.
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Unfortunately not all records pre-registration are online or even still survive so you need to have an idea of where they lived in Ireland to see what records might exist.
Have a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) and My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html).
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I have traced two families from Maghera parish to Felling, Gateshead & wondered if any of the children appear in the marriage register for St Patrick's RC, Felling?
1 Hugh Cassidy
.. +Rose Tohill
........ 2 Margaret Cassidy 1856 - Ireland
........ 2 Patrick Cassidy 1860 - Ireland
........ 2 Daniel Cassidy 1863 - Ireland
........ 2 James Cassidy 1868 - Felling
........ 2 Mary Ann Cassidy 1871 - Felling
........ 2 Catherine Cassidy 1877 - Felling
1 John Convery
+ Isabella Tohill
2 Patrick Convery 1850 - Heworth
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I was checking on Ancestry just in case my ancestor John Convery was linked to yours in any way and came across a tree with the children of John and Isabella including Patrick 1850. Do you have their names or would you like me to list them?
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If you don't mind could you list them as I might be missing a few & will be interesting to see if they match.
Any help gratefully received ;D
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I have, Michael 1828 - 1918, Mary 1829, Dan 1834, Peggy 1837, John 1846, Patrick 1850 and Henry 1852.
My 3 x great grandfather was John Convery 1807 Maghera Derry. He married Mary McCollough also from Maghera.
I don't know if there's any connection with your John though.
Good Luck!
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Thanks ;D
Didn't have Michael's date of death nor Henry Convery 1852.
Lots of Converys from Lavey area of Co Derry
http://www.lmi.utvinternet.com/glistc.htm
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Hi,
Could you please check for me if you have a John Newlands/Newland/Knowling or Nolan marrying a Mary? Their first child was born in Jarrow, Durham around 1859. They were both from Ireland. He was born around 1827 and she was born around 1839. The 1861 census for South Shields lists them. I gave you a few surnames as they appear differently in different censuses.
Thank you!
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I am new to this site and I'm not sure exactly how it works. I am very interested in finding who posted info about my family. There is a post on here (and I really don't know how to properly cite it). It is from - Posted by: MK201
« on: Saturday 11 February 12 17:09 GMT (UK)
It has info about MY grandfather, James Henry Dowdle, yet I know this person is not my cousin. Presumably they are related to me although I don't know how - otherwise why are they asking about MY family. I am a bit concerned about this although I suppose anyone can search for anyone else's family tree - why would you! Some of the info in the answer is incorrect. I have researched this family (my family) extensively and have more info. The names in question are Dowdle (Hartlepool), Keechen, McDonnell. The McDonells were not from Ulster and the Dowdles were not from Drogheda or Dublin (just because they had ports??? - many other places had ports!). I would like to share info with this person but don't know how this would be possible. One place they could go is the Lost Cousins website (if they are related to me). That is a UK website which uses census records to match people. I am registered on there. You do not need to know my name in order for a match. Maybe someone can tell me some other way of doing this.
I don't think you can make statements about which counties in Ireland people came to Co. Durham from. The early census records do not show which counties in Ireland people came from. In 1911 they did start recording which county in Ireland people came from. Very rarely the census record did show the county as I have found a couple of my Irish connections from Co. Meath and from Co. Sligo on the 1871 UK census.(These were not the families in question here.) Unless family members could give specific information as to where their family was from it is very hard to know what is their county of origin.
Cath
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Welcome to rootschat Cath. I'm afraid that MK201 hasn't been active on rootschat since 2012. If they have set up their profile correctly, they should get notification of your reply to this thread and hopefully will return.
After you have made 3 posts you can send them a personal message by just clicking on their name. Just reply here a couple more times and the Personal Message system will be activated.
Good luck - I hope you manage to make contact. :)
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Someone has put a lot of information about my family on here. This is the family of James Henry Dowdle (also Keechin McDonnell names) and . Some of the information is correct (information that can be found in the census records) - other information is incorrect. I don't think this person is related to me and I wonder why they have posted this information online. I have extensive information about the family's roots in Ireland - which has been incorrectly guessed at on here.
Catherine P
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Someone has put a lot of information about my family on here. This is the family of James Henry Dowdle (also Keechin McDonnell names) and . Some of the information is correct (information that can be found in the census records) - other information is incorrect. I don't think this person is related to me and I wonder why they have posted this information online. I have extensive information about the family's roots in Ireland - which has been incorrectly guessed at on here.
Catherine P
I have already replied to your previous post on this issue, and suggested you make three posts and then you will be able to contact MK201 (Margaret) via personal message to ask her about her relationship to your family. Have you managed to do this yet? (click on her name to the left of any of her posts to send her a PM)
She may be related to your family by marriage or alternatively she may have been researching the Dowdles and others, on someone else's behalf as many of us do. (I have done extensive research on my brother in law's ancestors and made contact with several of his distant relatives.) She may even have obtained the information from elsewhere on the internet (online trees for example). I'm sure there are no ulterior motives in her mentioning your ancestors on this thread.
Sometimes surnames can give an indication of places of origin so presumably this can be used as a way to trace Irish origins in cases where information is scant or non-existent. We all get things wrong occasionally and I'm sure Margaret will welcome you correcting any inaccuracies in her research.
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Derry man here, Rose Frain was my great grandmother, the mother of my grandmother Hannah McDaid (nee Doherty). Rose Frain and Daniel Doherty had four daughters and one son as far as I know, Winnifred, Hannah, Mary, Annie and Danny. My own grandmother Hannah married Charles Gerard McDaid (Gerry) and they had 12 children including my late father Brendan.Gerry played football for Derry City FC Sligo Rovers FC and some teams in England in the 1930s and 40s. I've traced Rose Frain's line through the maternal Green side back to the earliest Plantagenet kings and queens of England, Henry I, Henry III, Eleanor of Aquitaine etc and the kings of Scotland, Duncan and Malcolm but alas have hit a brick wall with Mathias Frain from County Roscommon and his wife Bridget (nee Lyon or Lyons). Irish ancestry is very hard to trace compared to English or Scottish.