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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: psykozmika on Thursday 26 June 08 21:14 BST (UK)
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;D Wondering if anyone has any information on Phillias Higginbottom. I know she married quiet a few times and had 7 children, also i know she was a twin, her twin was lillian.
Here is the info that i have on her
Phillias Higginbottom born 1934
Parents were Jean May Robinson Born 1911, Hector Reid Higginbottom born 1901
She married Albert Sydney Carlyon, he was born in 1885, i understand that he was also married prior to marrying phillias.
She had 7 children, one is my mother. Seems that my mother has 3 half siblings out there so any information on either would be lovely, i do have quiet alot of information on Phillias parents though. Mainly after her DOB and any other things who else she married etc.
Appreciate your help, thanks
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Hi psykozmika
Just wanted to check your dates - as you have the husband of P. as 49 years the senior of his wife??
Is the person here known to you?
http://www.familytreecircles.com/user/RobynJoyce/
Also, if either P or A S are ( or could be ) still living, I think perhaps their names should not be publicised ....We understand your search for information , but Rootschat does have policy on naming people where themselves or their children could still be living and feel their privacy is compromised..... :D Just a friendly comment.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hey thank you for that, thats my mum :) in the link, shes looking too.
Albert and phillias passed away and yes the age is correct, he was alot older thank his wife.
Sorry if what i put was too much info, am i able to request the details be pMd to me or is that a no no too?
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Hi again ;D
I see you also have a tree on the same site as your Mum!
Thank you for clarifying - I'm not a mod, so I'm not sure if they wll be OK with what you already posted ;D
But here is a link ;) to your other site
http://www.familytreecircles.com/journal_14032.html
Absolutely by all means, information may be exchanged by PM, if it's too sensitive to be public due to privacy etc!!. and I'm sure there are Chatters who could help and will be happy to do that (including me but I just dabble in Australia - there are greater experts out there :-))
It would seems to me there is a good deal more to the 'situation". And you mother is searching for unknown siblings - is that the case? My question is: Where in Australia did P. and Syd (which he was know as) die and have you got their death certificates?
Kind regards ;D
AMBLY
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Yep there is lots of more info :) alot of half siblings out there as well, most of whom have passed. I will ask a mod if my OP is ok though i assume that it is as they have passed away but will check.
I will pm you what info i have about albert :) and yeah thats my other link hunting high and low just so we know where we all come from.
Thanks
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Albert Sidney CARYLON died aged 74 at Bendigo in 1958 reg no 24171
father unknown mother unknown
A copy of this death certificate should have all his children details but that will only depend on who supplied the information
regards Jenn
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Ronald George Carlyon died aged 45 at Richmondin 1969 reg no 21171
father Albert Sydney Carylon mother Gertrude Laura Doyle
Thelma Lorna Victoria Carylon died aged 1 in 1927 at Carlton reg no 4626
father Albert Carylon mother Gerte Doyle
regards Jenn
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Here is the first wifes death
Gertrude Laura Victoria CARYLON died aged 61 in 1949 at North Richmond reg no 9474
father John Bernard Doyle mother Ada unknown
regards Jenn
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Marriage
CARLYON Albt Sidney Born Moonta SA
DOYLE Mother Gerte Laura Vic Born Bendigo
1906 Reg# 696
Cheers
Cando
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Now going by the information you have supplied
your granmother Phillas was born in 1934
she married Albert Sydney Carlyon when not stated?
Albert's first wife died in 1949 and Albert died in 1958
so in the 9 years after his first wives death and his death he had 7 children with your grandmother.
Does this seem right to you?
regards Jenn
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A couple of births
CARLYON Albt Hy
Father Albt Sidney Mother Gerte Laura Victoria DOYLE:
At Bendigo 190 Reg# 8072
CARLYON Jno Bernard
Father Albt Sydney Mother Gerte Laura Vic DOYLE
At Armadale 1910 Reg# 104
Cheers
Cando
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There is this death that may be of interest to you
Noel Clifford Higginbottom died aged 0 at Cmaine reg no 23108 in 1951 (information editied in later by Jenn)
father unknown mother Phyllis Joyce Higginbottom
regards Jenn
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There is a thread on Phillias and family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,311205.0.html
and I am wondering if the death cert/image of Hector HIGGINBOTTOM [HIGGINBOTHAM on the index] was purchased to find the names of the 20 children.
Have you Phillias's death certificate...that should show her marriages and children.
Cheers
Cando
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Birth
CARLYON Albert Sidney
Date25 Jan 1885
Father John Henry CARLYON Mother Priscilla DAVIS
At Moonta Mines
Ref Dal 344/81
Cando
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John Bernard CARLYON died aged 74 in Rye in 1984 reg no 03035
father Albert Sydney mother Gertrude Vict
Edna Jean Dorothy CHADWICK died in 1984 aged 65 reg no 11673 at Ivan
father Albert Carlyon mother Gertrude Lorna V
Regards Jenn
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There is this death that may be of interest to you
Noel Clifford Higginbottom died aged 9 at Cmaine reg no 23108
father unknown mother Phyllis Joyce Higginbottom
regards Jenn
Jenn what year was the registration?
Cando
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Sorry Cando the death was in 1951
more births
Gordon Stanley CARLYON born 1916 melbourne west
father Albert Sydney mother Gerte Laura Victoria Doyle
Edna Jean Dorothy Carlyon born Collingwood in 1918 reg no 18516
father Albt Sydney mother Gerte Laura Victoria Doyle
regards JEnn
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Now I really cannot help you with records for Phillias HIGGINBOTTOM b. 1934 other than what is in the indexes ie any possible deaths of her or her children to 1985 - limit of records.
You stated she had more than one marriage so what was her name at time of death and where did she die?
I have found some more info on the chn of the first marriage of Albert CARLYON.
From http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
CARLYON Albert Sydney NOK Gertrude
CARLYON Gordon Stanley NOK Vivienne
CARLYON Ronald George NOK Albert
Marriages
CARLYON Albert H
CUTLER Mary Rose 1925/12346
CARLYON John B
CASEY Eileen Eva 1940/21389
CARLYON Edna
CHADWICK Desmond Arnold 1939/16215
CARLYON Gordon S
HEFFERNAN Vivienne Theresia 1939/13991
There are a number of CARLYON burials at
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
Albert Sidney CARLYON is buried in the Bendigo Cemetery
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
The purchase of two death certificates could possibly solve most of your queries.
Cando
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Now going by the information you have supplied
your granmother Phillas was born in 1934
she married Albert Sydney Carlyon when not stated?
Albert's first wife died in 1949 and Albert died in 1958
so in the 9 years after his first wives death and his death he had 7 children with your grandmother.
Does this seem right to you?
regards Jenn
Sounds right to me, there were a set of twins among there from what i know, also they were all very close in age too :)
Thanks again so much for everything here, i knew there was an edna somewhere so thats great now i know when she was born. I cant believe how mixed my family tree is, kinda crazy!!
Cando i know Phillias died around 1990 and she died a higginbottom, there was mention that there was a man by the name is Sales, that she was married although it wasnt noted that it was an official marriage, also maisey is noted too :)
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Hi again
So we can help you....
Did you purchase Hector's death cert?
Where did Phillias die?
Are you going to get Albert's death cert?
Who is Maisey?
Cheers
Cando
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I have alberts certificate and hectors coming to me, its on its way (i dont have a cc so have to do it the slow way)
Phillias died in bendigo. Maisey is the surname of one man she had 2 children with.
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Hi
I have alberts certificate and hectors coming to me, its on its way (i dont have a cc so have to do it the slow way)
Phillias died in bendigo. Maisey is the surname of one man she had 2 children with.
Perhaps you would like to type up the names of his children of the first marriage ...we have spent some time trying to help you with the names of the chn of this marriage and you already have them! When did he marry Phillias....all on the death certificate...well it should be.
So Phillias did not have 7 chn with Albert...is this correct?
Phillias had one marriage and two relationships with a SALES and MAISEY? How many chn did she have with Albert - it should be on his death certificate. Please don't name the children as your mother is one and the others may be living.
Cheers
Cando
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i know some of the names am i allowed to mention the living ones still?
i guess you can edit this if i cant ;D
That one aged 9 is interesting though we didnt know about him :)
There were two boys and a female to albert, plus another child then two others to another man and well that 9 yar old as mention above that died with no father, thats a new one to me
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Now after a pm from psykozmika - there were four children with Albert and three with unknown father...possibly MAISEY.
I don't see a burial for Phillias in the Bendigo Cemetery. psykozmika may like to contact the Bendigo trust - details on the above website, as it is mentioned that not all burials are on the database.
The index names the mother of the child who died in 1951 as Phyllis Joyce HIGGINBOTTOM not Philias.
Cheers
cando
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HELLO! i think i am your cousin Rachael, my mother was born dorothy Jean... her name is now patricia..
i am hoping to make contact.. i think our mothers are sisters.... :D
http://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1163130