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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: celia on Friday 05 November 04 19:12 GMT (UK)
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Hello There has been an interest in Burials in the Rake Lane Cemetery. I can do a look up If you give me enough information Like death year (not i think year ;D) and possible religion, thats important. It would be appreciated if you could look up the death First if you are not sure of the year or the nearest possible year. before requesting a Burial lookup. This will save me time and assure that the person did die in the area. The burials go back to the late 1800 (Flaybrick and Rake Lane only) And give the address of the deceased person. Archives only open Thursday Friday and half day Saturday By appointment. Other cemeteries I can do a burial look up for are
Landican Cemetery Opened 1934
Plymyard Cemetery Opened 1930
Frankby Cemetery Opened 1940
Wallasey Cemetery, Rake Lane. Opened 1883
Heswall Opened 1960
Flaybrick Memorial Gardens (formerly Flaybrick Cemetery) 1864
Celia
UPDATED 26TH NOVEMBER 2004
I HAVE NOW HAD A REPLY TO MY QUERIES FROM THE ARCHIVIST AS TO HOW MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS THEY HAVE ON FILM IN THE BURIAL INDEX.SO I KNOW HOW MANY FILMS I MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH IF THE RELIGION IS NOT KNOWN ;) THEY ONLY HAVE TWO RELIGION'S KEPT SEPARATE C.O.ENGLAND & CATHOLIC. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE ON THE NONE CONFORMIST FILM. SO IF YOU ARE NOT SURE OF THE RELIGION BUT KNOW YOUR ANCESTORS WERE NOT CATHOLIC. THAT WILL MAKE ANY FUTURE LOOK UPS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. CELIA
The link below will Take you to my Merchant Seaman Monumental inscriptions
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13199.msg45868#msg45868
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Karen Would i be right in thinking that you think Seacombe is in Birkenhead ??? Seacombe is in Wallasey, but it does rub shoulders with Birkenhead Town. I don't know about the houses in B/Head still standing they have done a lot of Demolition in B/Head the last few years.Edith Road is though and probably Beaconsfield. While i am waiting to do you first request I will see if i can remember where the seacombe roads are and take a couple of photo's for you over the next few days.As for your question about Ordering a death certificate You need to know the place the person died and the year. Also if they were married the name of the deceased husband/wife .for instance if you wanted the death certificate of a person that died in Seacombe the registration office is in Birkenhead so you just apply there giving them as much info as possible. You don't need an exact date. Certificates cost £7.50
Celia
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Hi Celia....I found the McNabs in the 1901 census living at 8 Tudor Avenue, Seacombe...the parents and three children, Isabel, Leonora and Frederick.
Dont know if this is any good...
Cheers
Andrea :)
Ok Celia will do..... ;D
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Hi Andrea saw you post today,so i presume you found your birth and peter?was it? sent you a census.that's good news for you. If it's not raining tomorrow Sunday i will go and see if i can find That McNab Headstone for you. The plot is by the cemetery lodge so i am hoping it's in better condition than the others. As far as i remember it's got a lot of headstones on it. It would be nice to find a Head Stone i was looking for cos i haven found one yet :(
for variouse reasons. I know Tudor Avenue is around somewhere because I've seen it. but i cant find it on the street map is it in seacombe? When i do would you be wanting a photo?
Celia
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Hi Celia....No I didnt find the birth certificate...Who is Peter...I dont know about him sending anything to me. I paid to look at the 1901 Census yesterday online...but couldnt find out anything else. 5 pounds went really quickly. ;)
I looked up 8 Tudor Avenue in the multimaps..its situated right under the Kingsway..is that the road over the Mersey or under? Its in Seacombe. My Aunt was born at that house in 1912 and my Mother in 1916, so I assume that their parents(Isabel & William) were living there when they were born. I know Leonora, Thomas's other daughter married in 1903. Are there any directories for Seacombe after 1901?
Its been storming here so we have had flooding..hope its stopped raining there :)
Cheers
Andrea :D
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I would love a picture if you wouldnt mind Celia..
Thank you so much
Cheers
Andrea ;D
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Hi Andrea my mistake about your source for the census, Do i have your email number? so i can answear some of your other questions. My Brains overloaded at present cant remember ::) Anyway good news found you stone and i didn't have to do any work,easiest job i have had so far. The only thing i have done is change the contrast so it can be seen better. I have also not made it smaller as i don't have to put the inscription on as well. so now it's on RootsChat your family can see it. I haven't yet found a way of printing one post out.so i will send you one to your email address
Have had to remove photo for time being.
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P.S Andrea the headstone seems to be deep in the earth as it is rather short .I did tread the grass down and pull small amount of soil away. The inscription continues further down after the last line you can see. It would have been irresponsible of me to pull away the soil in the front. Because i don't know how deep it is.I would hate to contribute to it's fall in later years. I looked at that map as well cant figure it out though. not being a driver i am usless at map reading. I get lost in the supermarket ;D
Celia
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I just had a look at the map...this is the webpage... the Avenue is under Kingsway...
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&GridE=-3.01
Cheers Andrea
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Hi Andrea I was going to remove your Headstone from the topic as it was not part of my intentions to take photo's. I am willing to take a photo's of a grave Stone, but i can only do that if i find the burial (which gives me the plot number) of an ancestor.For the person who has put in a request . However i have decided to leave it on otherwise the post's wont make sense. In Future i will send any photo's i get Direct. I think i have done all i can for you at the moment. In Regard to other questions, not related to this topic.Things like census questions,you can ask for a census lookup (Cheshire) . If you Go to Beginners and ask a question someone will be there to give you advice and help
Celia
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Hi Karen ,I have now found your house in Edith Road and taken a photo. Just as well i knocked to ask if the owner minded.Because she was in. I would hate to be charged with unlawful photo Taking ;D I will send the photo to your email address.
Andrea I knew, of Tudor Avenue for some reason the name has stayed in my mind. when i eventually found it. I remembered it well, My best friend lived there. School friend that is haven't been there since. I Now know where the saying "I've lost the plot" came from. Tudor Avenue is now in the middle of a forrest of newer houses.I asked loads of people no one knew, i ended up going to the town hall it wasn't far from there. So your photo is now on the way, The house would have been well kept when your ancestors were there. unfortunately it's looking a bit neglected now.
Regards Celia
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Jan Taylor
Hi Jan Was you Phoebe born in Wilson Street? If so do you have a number. Where is the house, there are wilson streets in most area's. I will report back here at the weekend with any burial results i hope to find.
Regards Celia
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Hi Celia...you have been so busy...I thank you so much for all your help, I really appreciate all the time you have spent trapsing around. I spoke to my mother yesterday and told her about her grandparents living in Tudor Avenue, and for an 88 yr old to be told of her family she didn't know, is amazing. I guess when you (her mother)were married to a mariner, you spent quite a bit of time alone, maybe thats why they lived with their parents back then.
When you send me the pic, I will forward a copy on to my mother. My aunt died two months ago at 92, and she was interested in the McNabs, shame I cant tell her.
I remember visiting Tudor Avenue back in the 80's, but have lost all information I had. I know it was near the air vent next to the tunnel under the Mersey.
Cheers
Andrea :)
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I too want to THANK Celia for all her help in my requests!
Karen
Glendora, CA
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Thank you Karen & Andrea, I am beginning to like this traipsing around. I have met so many helpfull people, when, i explain what i am doing, some interupt there work to look up things for me. (the staff in the town hall)like when i lost Tudor Avenue.
Celia
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Hi Celia..thank you for the picture..Just received it..I will print it out tomorrow..it is as I remembered. looks so small when you think of how many lived in it..my grandmother died (spanish flu in 1922) in the bedroom upstairs. My Mother and Aunt born there...what a lot of history.
Thank you again for your marvellous work.
Andrea ;D
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Andrea.....I just read your post about the death due to the Spanish Flu in 1922. I am assuming your relatives were in the Birkenhead/Seacombe areas. My Great Grandmother, the Taylor's at the 40 Edith Rd in Seacombe died in 1922 too. Makes me wonder if the reason was for the flu. Do you have any more information on the outbreak that year?
I still need to order the actual death records of both my Great Grandparents....cause of death would be on that. I'm just trying to get past the Taylor name and find the next generation back in Tyrone County, Ireland :)
Karen
Glendora, CA
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Celia,
I just talked to my cousin and she said her Mom, the one born at 40 Edith Rd, forgot to tell me that she thought all the gravestones had been placed "surrounding" the cemetery. Is this true? On one hand it makes sense if the stones are falling down but on the other it doesn't because how could "future" people like me go there and even find the plot?
Is she mistaken in her "information"?
Thanks from pesky me,
Karen
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Hi Karen I think what your cousins mum means is the graves are situated on the outer edges not in the middle.
But i still need the plot number. I was surprised the info you sent me on the internment of Mary Ann & William Thomas Taylor didn't give a plot number. When i first started taking naval inscription's from the cemetery. I was surprised at the amount of fallen stones from the 1930/40. when stones from the 1800 are still standing. When i asked about this, it was said that the older stones were buried deeper than today. Thats just one reason.
Just for the record. As i have said Edith Road & Tudor avenue are near each other. Seacombe is in Wallasey not B/Head. I will send you a copy of the map i use to find plots. Small map,Big plots, big cemetery. If you click on the picture and save it to/as your documents you should be able to print it out.
Celia
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Andrea Before that monstrosity of an air vent was built( for the Mersey Tunnel i think) i am sure Tudor Avenue was longer than i found it, and it opened up onto the promenade at one time. thats why i never found it years ago because it got enclosed.
Celia
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And here I was so anxious in thinking you might really find the gravesite :(
Well, first not sure if maybe part of not finding the grave plot is that the last name should be "TAYLOR" not Turner. They are William Thomas and Mary Ann (or Marianne) Taylor.
I wrote my Aunt another letter yesterday and asked if I could have a copy of the records she has to look at them myself.
Second, yes, even though I didn't write back about it.....I do realize Birkenhead and Seacombe are two different places :)
I would be interested in looking at the site map. My aunt answers very quickly so maybe in a week or so I will have the copies of the records.
Thanks again for all your help!
Karen
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Celia,
I just re-read my Aunt's letter and she said:
the grave is in SECTION 11 and NUMBERED 186
that sounds like a plot number to me!
Karen
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Sorry Pesky Me again..........
Does the cemetery have a "Keeper" on the grounds that would have a list of names and plots or am I asking too much? Or if no names at least know where Section 11 number 186 was?
Karen
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Hi Pesky I sent you a map earlier on and have been stuck on the post reply board for half an hour had to shut the computer down and my post didnt go.No the cemetery doesnt have a keeper. All the information of burials is as i said kept in the records/Archive Department of the Town Hall.The burial Pages were copied from all the burial books for Rake Lane plus others onto a film. which i can view on a special machine Page by page. By appointment only, and is what i am doing for you tomorrow. As the film itself is very exspencive and it's contents of value. The films are kept locked up and only taken out for the person with the appointment, me ;D good news about the plot number. I will keep the appointment tomorrow though in case i get anything you havent got. Sorry did i say Turner somwhere ???Dont worry i know i am looking or Taylor your post has been on my desk all week
Celia
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Andrea Before that monstrosity of an air vent was built( for the Mersey Tunnel i think) i am sure Tudor Avenue was longer than i found it, and it opened up onto the promenade at one time. thats why i never found it years ago because it got enclosed.
Celia
Hi Celia....Nothing came out...just a pic of a paper clip(attachment)....Yes what a shame the vent is there...how much different it would have been back in the early 1900's.
Andrea :)
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Hi Karen My Report
C.O.E
Looked at three films today C.O.E. & Catholic for the given years. Sept 23rd 1922 Mary Ann (Simpson) Taylor age 66
No Burials at all on that date. As people are normally buried a week after death i looked further down with no luck.
Catholic Folio 145
Only 7 Burials in Sept 1922 none on or near that date and no Taylors
C.O.E Folio 174 December 1963
No Burial For a Taylor on 23rd Dec 1963
I did find Ellen May or Mary Taylor Buried 31st Dec 1963 aged 77 Abode 1a Stringhay Road Liscard. Burial A.Sub
plot 18c. Now that one is on the edge.
I cant understand your section 11 as there isn't a section 11. Only an 11G 11C 11R. If you look on the map i sent you 11R is also round the edge.
There is something not right here, these people should be in the books if they are buried there. They arnt, Can you find anymore clues? The next fine day i will get off the bus at the other side of the cemetery and have a look on Plot 18c and take note of the grave Stone.
Celia
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Thank for all your very hard effort on this kiddo!
All I know more for sure is that they were not Catholic...so you won't find them under that list. They were Church of Ireland and involved with the Orangemen.
Hopefully when I hear next from my Aunt in Montreal I will have something more to add.
I called my Mom's younger sister, only one left from thatf amily, and told her about yopur efforts. She thought that was so nice of you and was very impressed. They live near Manchester area. She's hoping when I have all the info on the cemetery to be able to go when the weather is nice in the spring to have a look herself.
So we'll keep plugging along
Love,
Karen
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Karen you never told me that the Family was Church Of Ireland. Thats what i needed to know :) and why i couldnt find them. I have said that Religion is an important factor in finding a burial.
Celia
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Oh dear...I just never figured Religion into the factor
:(
Here plots are plots...you get what is available
I'm so very sorry if that has caused wasted time spent. I feel so bad
Love,
Karen
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Not to worry Karen but it is a shame i didn't know this because, i could have carried out your request. What i like about the burial records is that it gives you the address of the deceased person. And you can do a lot with that, I will mail The archives and see if they have "Church of Ireland Records" To save a journey, if they have i may be able to get back before the end of the month. Or i can give you the email. Quote Reasearch (to a reasonable extent)undertaked by staff in responce to phone, e-mail, and postal enquiries:this service is free (doesnt mention overseas)but please allow up to eight weeks for information. Will let you know if they have the record .Then you can decide. I have just sent out your photo's they should arrive tomorrow. I put them on Digital enchance for you this time.
Celia
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Andrea Have you found the religion of your McNabs at all
Celia
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Hi Jan, I didn't have time to look up your burials again. I had only checked the C.O.E and Catholic. All the religions are on separate reels, and they have lots of religions.
I know Bell road thats in seacombe as well, i passed it the other day. It's off King Street like Edith road is. Did half the population of seacombe emigrate at one time ???
Found these on the lancs B.M.D & 1 in Wirrl
James Whalley Lutus died in Oldham in September 1897 age 65. vol 8d Page 499
William Lutus Died December 1890 Liverpool no age(might be infant death) 8b Page 99
Birth. Mary Lutus born March 1838 wirral
Jane Lutus born June 1885 in Preston
Marriage Isabella Lutus married in September 1909 in Chorley
Celia
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Hi Celia....I dont know..I know they werent Catholics... I have bought some credits on 1837online...but cant get the viewer to work :(
You are up late on the trail,
Andrea ;D
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Hi Celia...I have searched back to 1917 where I found Thomas McNab's death in Birkenhead in the Jan/Feb/Mar quarter.. My relations told me he died in the 1930's, they must have meant someone else.
Cheers
Andrea ;D
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Hi Celia..I have also found my ggrandmothers Leonora McNabs death in 1905 in Birkenhead, aged 56. After 6 children she must have been exhausted.
Thanks
Andrea ;D
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Hi Celia,
Thanks for all the info ... the William Lutus may pertain to us .. as my great grandmother had seven or so unsuccessful pregnancies. I know the family name to be Lutas ... would it also have been spelt Lutus? Maybe that's where I'm having my difficulties.
Take care
Jan
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Jan the few Lutus that i found,were spelt differently.
You Have to allow for variations of spelling. I have to, when i do a burial look Up.
Celia
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Andrea are you around here somewhere? I found this in the B.M.D it's a lot earlier that what we were looking for. But give it a go. It could be one of yours
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Deaths Jun 1890
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McNab Thomas 38 W. Derby 8b 348
Celia
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Thanks for that Celia..I found him and wondered if he is related, as he is too old to be a son..but who knows he may be a cousin.
I am still waiting to apply for birth certificates, but money holds me back :)
Cheers
Andrea
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Hello Andrea I have a new look up to do next week plus others. Now that you have the death dates of Leonora and Thomas i can look at the none conformist registers.
Do you still want one for Rake lane cemetery.
Celia
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Hi...thank you Celia that would be great:-)..I havent been able to get any further...did I tell you that one of my new cousins is coming to meet me from America....I will have some information to show him, as I am in touch with he and his sisters all the time...in this day and age families are so important.
Cheers
Andrea ;D
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Andrea thats wonderfull news, did you find them via RootsChat? If so they will be delighted
Celia
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Jan Karen, Can you relate to any of these on Plot 22c This plot must be private there isn't much room in between the headstones but the grass is short and the stones in good condition
Headstone Inscription (part of)
(on the edge facing the Chapel, as called)
Thomas Husband of Mary E.Taylor who passed away 14th Sep 1933 Also
Mary Elizabeth Passed away 21st Sep 1947
On the side of this stone the Name Douglas Hagarty Grandson.
5th row back at the cross end where it narrows
Robert Elis Taylor Died 23rd November 1951 age 76
Lucy His Wife died 29th May 1960 age 92 Also
Lucy Daughter O.T.A Died 10th Oct 1967 age 61 years
Second Row from same edge/side
James Alfred (Jimmy) Husband of Agnes E Taylor Died 11th Jan 1938
Celia
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Hi Celia...no they found me on GenesReunited.com ...I look everywhere for anyone who is related.. my cousins sister lives in Sydney and they had read my submissions.
I have been having a little rest from research as I cant get anything else done...but its sooo addictive.. ;D I cant help myself. I have met so many helpful people on herelike yourself...its certainly the site for information..and thank heavens for the net. :D
Cheers
Andrea
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Dear Ancestor
Your Headstone stands among the rest,
Neglected and alone
The name and date are chiseled out
On polished,marble stone.
It reaches out to all who cares
It is to late to mourn.
You did not know that i exist
You died and i was born.
Yet each of us are cells of you
In flesh,in blood, in bone.
Our blood contracts and beats a pulse
Entirely not are own.
Dear ancestor the place you filled
One hundred years ago
Spreads out among the ones you left
Who would have loved you so.
I wonder if you lived and loved,
I wonder if you knew
That someday i would find this spot
And come to visit you.
Author Unknown. A Beautiful Poem
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Thats a lovely poem Celia..it bought a tear to my eye :'(
I am sure they are all around us still...and I am not a religious person.
Andrea
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Click on the Link Below
This is a very interesting site and tells of the non tolerance of a religion other than C.O E.
In Days far gone. when records were not kept for Non Conformist's.
http://www.jaydax.co.UK/genlinks
Thats a lovely poem Celia..it bought a tear to my eye
Same here andrea
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Hello Andre today i did a look up for you after asking for the non conformist burial film. On that film are the burial's in Flaybrick cemetery in Birkenhead. Even though i had the right dates of death. None of your family are on it
The other Cemetery is Landican also in B/Head.which i have visited in the past. I know that all religions seem to be buried there. I didn't have time to go through that film, Landican is not old. it didn't open till 193? so your ancestors might be buried there i don't know.
I also got the same results when looking for Jan's ancestors.
Celia
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Hi Celia. Re looking for Fountains Lodge. Rake Lane .I would have expected it to be close to Fountains Road, possible on one of the corners.?? I looked at a map!
Great great grandaddy Augustus Stephen J Pomeroy lived there after he retired from Albert Dock Company
He was Principle of General Office and Receiver of Charges and duty Superintendent of the Albert Dock Offices. In 1880 he was 63, and was Retired.
In 1881 one he was living in Fountains lodge with his widowed daughter in law Elizabeth and two grandsons Edgar and Campbell Pomeroy. (Listed as Porncoy in census) He died in 1884 and the boys went off to USA in 1888.
A picture would be brilliant!
:~)))))))))
Annie
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Hi Annie, I cant find your original post anywhere, or my reply. However i did do a short Research at the time
( in case the enquirer's dont reply to mails containing information sent;) I had never seen Fountain Road in Rake Lane, so i went to the library,hoping to find a street map. They didn't have any, I then looked at he Gores Directory. It wasn't there either :( So where too from there ??? A few days ago i remembered that the Directory only gives Main Roads. But if looked at it more closely it gives the Off Main road and the off,off ones ;D By coincidence i got your mail earlier today. The day i was going Along Rake lane, I had bought a street map, at last ;D
so i looked up Fountain Road. Found it but couldn't find anything that resembled a lodge. One end is more like an entry. I took a photo, Will have a cup of tea, then go to the library, as it stays open late today.It's 4.30 now so tune in later with results i hope to get.
Celia
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1880
Gores Directory copied out as in Directory.
Pomeroy. Augustus S.J. Principal general Office Albert Dock. W
Pomeroy, Charles R, Marina. Both living 30 Leeds Street West
After a bit more routing
Leeds Street W = Leeds & L,Pool Canal Wharfs,
Gores Directory 1882
Alexander Terrace
1. Buckley William R. Pilot. 2. Hudson John Gardener. 4 Fann Augustin. W Draper & Pomeroy Augustus J. Gentleman.
Postal Directory 1914/15
Pomeroy, Harrison W. Purser 9, Warwick Drive
Pomeroy, Mrs. Louise, 18,Queensway ( my granddad lived next street, Queensway)
Next time I visit the library I will track back in Liverpool to see how long Your G.G.Grandaddy was there. Then I will track down to his death year in 1884. Have you any idea what side of the Water he died on?
Mission compleated :)
All the mission compleated were last edited in August 2005 time 22:21:00
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Wow thats brilliant. !! Thank you so much!
I wonder who Charles R Pomeroy was?!!
I shall send it all to my Pom cousin she'll be puzzled too I think!
Harrison W the purser is of our family! It should read Harrison H for Hornblow! What a name to conjure with!!! If you come across anything more about him we'd be interested ! He got into some sort of trouble in , possibly embezzlement, in about 1911 and went down for it! We think he got about 8 or 10 years but unfortunately even now, his son who is still alive in Australia, wont talk about it , so we are consumed with curiosity!!!
Augustus death is known 29 May 1884 and we have his will , although we dont know where he was buried. Possible in the Rake Lane Cemmy.
I found my map by chance looking for something else on the WWW . a body building centre in Rake lane that attracted my attention and it had a map attached.
Many Thanks!
Annie
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Hi Annie i was just about to log off when i saw your reply.
and i am glad to been of some help to you.
I will take any Pomeroy's i find in the books because the only ones i came across are the ones i sent you. Depending in what sort of book i look at. The full name is not always given in regard to initials.In Those days some had three middle names so might only have given the first two initials. Do you have a death certificate for your Augustus?
When i was at the library last night i mentioned to one of the staff who know me through my many visits. That i had been to Fountain road earlier and couldn't imagine where the lodge could have been. She said Oh it got demolished years ago :(I used to pass it everyday on my way to school. What a shame. As the landscape has changed so much it's impossible to say where it once stood. Because your ancestor died in 1884 there is a good chance that he was living at Alexander Terrace at the time. I have now looked at my Wirral Street Atlas and there is An Alexander Road in Wallasey so it would have been there somewhere. There are also Two warwick Drives one in Wirral :- and one in Wallasey. As with Kingway a very long road it is still there.
Celia
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Annie Now when you have printed the photo's out let me know please so i can delete them . Thanks. Photo's deleted
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Thank you very much for all your efforts! My Pom cousin will be most interested as well.
Im a bit baffled by Augustus Poms perambulations. After his wife died he seems to have moved about for several years before settling in Fountains Lodge with his widowed daughter in law and grandsons!
I shall hunt around to see if there are any old photios of the area hiding on the www somewhere??
I wonder if you'd have any idea how I could locate an auction catalogue from 1968-1969 ish.
Another relative, one with oodles of boodle, also lived in Birkenhead and when the family died out with the death of his remaining daughter there was an auction of the house and contents.
He was Joseph Wilson , the house was the rather pretentiously names Stokesay Hall ( also now demolished) He was a sucessful miller and corn merchant and his son Frank Campbell Wilson was Lord mayor of Liverp'l in 1922 23 . After his daughter Margaret Florence Wilson died in about 1968 or 69 everything was sold.There was a catalogue for the sale. Id love to know if one survives.
I have yet to find Josephs or Margarets death record. Not in Cheshire BMDs and not on line but I am going to the local probate office in Exeter at some point!.
Many thanks .
Best wishes for the Festive season!
annie
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Hi Annie, I cant Help you with Auction Catalog,s i am afraid it,s a bit off Topic for me. You could have a scout round on the net and find the history of Stokesey Hall.
I am not sure if you would find an Auction Catalog without knowing the name of the Auctioneer's.
Do you know who the Mrs Pomeroy was that lived in Queensway. On the next fine day( it's freezin here ;D) i will take a photo of the House for you if it's yours. Also one of 9, Warwick Drive. Let me know if you want anything else looking up,burials,addresses.Will be glad to help
Celia
Note, Between us we found the Auction Catalog By Chance,recently.
Mission compleated :) Aug 2005
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Hi Annie, I found more on your Pomeroy’s than I told you. (I Just had to type it out) I worked back through the years from Wallasey where the Pomeroy’s last lived. To Liverpool in 1868. (I can go a long way back till I run out of the name) Where they seem to have lived before moving to Wallasey when Augustus Retired. There were no Pomeroy mentioned in the Directory for
1882 or 1884 the 1881 is missing. So from 1883 back to 1868 I found.
In 1883. Mrs. James Pomeroy. 11, Mount view (House name I would say) Clwyd St New Brighton.
Mrs Lizzie Pomeroy. Fountain Lodge, Rake Lane, Liscard, (Wallasey
1878. Pomeroy Augustus. S.J. Princ/gen/office.
“ Charles. Marina. 30 Leeds Street. 1877 still at that address.
1876. Pomeroy. Agustus. S.J. Princ/Gen/Office/
“ Charles Grocer & provision Dealer. 48 Leeds St. 1875 same.
1874. Pomeroy. John, Master Marina 79, White Rock st. E
1873. Pomeroy. John. Master Marina, Devonshire Terrace, 39, Brook Road, Bootle, N
1872. Pomeroy “ “ “ “ “
1871. Pomeroy. Augustus, Book Keeper, 3,Canning St Waterloo, W
“ Harrison, A. (Albert Dock offices) Albert Dock west
“ John Master Marina. 39, Brook road, Bootle. W
“ Walker, W. (Albert Dock offices) Albert Dock . W
1870. Pomeroy. Augustus, Bookeeper. 22, Wavertree Vale. E
“ Walker, W, same as 71
1868. Pomeroy. Alfred Augustus. Bookeeper, Church Road, Much Woolton. E.
“ Augustus, S.J. Principal Clerk Albert dock, Warehouse. W.
Miss Eliza, School Mistress South View, Allerton View, much Woolton, E
Now that you know that your Pomeroy’s were living in Liverpool in 1871. You will now be able to request the 1871 Census for Lancashire, (Liverpool) One each for Harrison, John, Walker, & Mrs. Lizzie Pomeroy (Cheshire) oh yes and Mrs. James Pomeroy census place Cheshire.
Celia
Did you know ther are 1,400 + Pomeroy's & Pomery' dating back to 1583 in Cornwall :o
Annie i have just been on your Pomeroy website, wow, so of course you know about cornwall.Thats some history have i given you information you already have.I wouldnt think so though unless you have been to Cheshire
Mission Compleated :) last edit Aug 2005
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Hi Andrea & Karen,you remember Karen you asked Andrea if she knew anything about the outbreak of Spanish flu?I have never stopped trying to find information about this.Now thanks to a relative who today suggested where to look. I have found the information and was shocked.I will put the website address on so others can read more about it, a truly terrible occurrence.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda
Celia
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War (1914-18), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster. In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season, however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children.
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Hi Celia,
The Spanish 'flu hit hard out here in NZ too, huge numbers of people died, I know 'disinfecting' stations were set up in various points around town to help combat infection, all to no avail, no penicillin or antibiotics in those days!
Keep up the good work,
regards,
kiwi.
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Kiwi thank you for your feedback it's much appreciated, it makes my research all the more worth while :) RootsChat has done wonders for my History, and Geography ;D
Celia
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Andrea thank you for your personal reply, much appreciated.I thought i would make a suggestion on here in case anyone has any view's.
In the light of discovering the global impact of the Spanish flu. I was wondering if it might be a reason why i never found any burial's for you family. I would imagine with so many people dying of this flue the cemeteries would i am sure not have been able to cope.Could they have been cremated ??? that would be one reason. The other one is they were buried in churchyard. I don't know if records are kept of cremations, Just a thought ???
Celia
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Sandraanne
Hello Sandy
Maybe it would be easier for you as a newbie to put your first post on here rather than to follow my instuctions on the personal mail. To post a mail on here is done the same way as you did on the personal mail.(The personal mail is like a email, only i can see it). Just click on The topic name then press reply at the top of the page. Give me as much information as possibe then send. When i reply to your mail RootsChat will advise you of this. Would i be right in saying you are From Australia ???You joined yesterday the 18th it's the 18th today here in England
Celia
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thank you i wish i was from aussie its warmer there , I am from merseyside, not far from liscard most pobbiably by you, i need to find some graves and have search myself to no avail maybe you might of more luck than me because you know what you are doing. It going to be a long one as i need to put in a lot to try and help you and will try to geth it all in . two things i need as in the end it will all fit into place i Hope, well lets get going
1. Someone told me that when Liscard Independant chapel close down a few grav stones where place round St andrews church hall next door to it 10 in total which i have the MIs for the rest where put in the Wallasey Cemetry,Rake Lane in the Non Cormist Section plot 14G i am told that you must record stones that are place in there for future reference of graves that are moved.
2. I am looking for a buried of Sarah Windsor nee Anderson her husband Sampson Windsor died 1893 and is was buried in liscard Independant Chapel, Have check the buriel fiche for this church and the grave was full and she is not on the list any where or dates. Now the Windsor family have a few plots in this cemetry Rake Lane, which i have some deatails that might help, four graves and will list below who is in them dont know the no of the grave or plot no too, I will call them A,B,C,D.
A Grave Plot
1. Thomas Windsor b 1875 d
2. Alice Mary Windsor nee Evans wife b
3. Maud Ivy Lemley nee Windsor daughter b 1902 d 1971
4. Rita Ecclestain granddaughter
B Grave Plot
1. Thomas Franklin Windsor son b 1931 d 1936
2. Thomas Windsor father b 1906 d 1982
3. Christine Windsor nee McWha wife b 1901 d 1979
4. George Refus Creiver son-in-law b 1912 d 1970
C Grave Plot
1. Samuel Nicholson Windsor b1885 d
2. Sarah Amelia Windsor nee Birch nee Evans wife b 1883 d
3. James Martin son-in-law b 1906 d 1982
4.Monica Martin nee birch daughter b 1909 d 1987
D Grave Plot
1. George Windsor b
2. Jean Windsor nee Acron
3. ................................
4. .................................
Sorry to make my letter so long as i wanted to put as much information as i could to help you to help me. So as you can see there is still no
Sarah Windsor nee Anderson, I have a birth date 22nd march 1943 people have told me she died about 1895-6 but where and how where did they put her after death so if you could see your way to help me, also there are two spaces in grave D can you tell me who else is in there. thank you sandraanne
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Welcome to Rootschat Sandy. Think i might need to print this out and read it in bed ;D Joking aside ;) I have never knew that rake Lane took Headstones from churchyard's before. I know there are no non conformist buried there, they were buried in B/Head(thats what i was told) Rake lane only has C.O.E & Catholic. Looking after stones however is different they might be on a separate film i will inquire about that and let you know.I cant find my cemetery map at the moment but i think i remember where 14G is(underwater by now i should think ;D) You have a good amount of information so if you family are buried in the cemetery i will find them. On reading your post again basically all you need is the plot number. each one will have to be looked up separately it wont give all the people buried in one grave at a glance.but you have those anyway. But of course providing the stone is still standing which a lot are not,you will find that out when you find it.I wont be able to help with Sara though or with burials in Grave D without a death year. Hopfully all the earlier years will be on one film.I will start my search at the weekend and get back to you with my
finding
Celia
Still Helping Sandy. Last edited August 2005
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Hi Celia..no I didn't get that message but Nov 28th I was in London before going over to Germany and didn't do much on line except for getting emails from home when I could.
YES! I did receive the photos and thanks again for doing that and NO Thanks for NOT adding an address to send you something for doing that for me...shame on you :)
As of right now...have no clue who those Taylors belong to...but have kept the info since one never knows when it might come in usefull. My William Taylor had 6 sisters but might have been other relatives. I believe when people migrate somewhere it is usually to where other family members are located.
I did have another 12 page letter from my Aunt in Montreal waiting for me including an old photo of the Edith road home (with her in front with her sister and Mum). I can make a copy of it and get it to you if you want just for fun. she also sent the "original" copy of the burials for my Greatgrandparents at the cemetery and I had to promise not to tell her kids she gave it to me. I promised to take very good care of it! I can make copies of the front and back and get that to you to if you want. It's way up on my "to do" list to sit down and write her back and really look over that document.
Thanks again for all you do for this site!
Love,
Karen
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Sandy a bit to be going on with.
(A) Grave 499 Plot 20c
Containing Maud Ivy Lemley of 18,Rycroft Road Seacombe.
Buried 17th December 1971.
(B) Grave 930 Plot 13c
Containing George Refus Creiver. of 12, St James Road, New Brighton. Buried April 27th 1970 age 58.
Due to staff shortage i was unable to detain the one member for questioning.I Have the film number for your C Grave so will find that plot on the next visit.
Celia
Sandy as a Matter of interest am i helping you research your family, Or am i helping with M.I from the church Yard.
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I think it might be useful to have a Map on the topic. not
Celia
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Hello Karen, I hope you enjoyed your Holiday :) I didn't give my address because i knew you might do that ;)I thought you might send a post.I was a bit concerned as i don't have the photo now. I would love a copy of the old Edith Road and the Burial record. I did go back to the plot a couple of times but it is so big. The map is deceiving, I will find those headstones :D.I don't like leaving half finished jobs :) and keep going back to them.
Celia
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Celia Im so sorry. I didnt check back properly, In still a bit vague about how it all works.
THANK YOU very much for all your work!
Its filled in some gaps. Not all the Pom you found have a direct connection with my lot but its grist to the Pomerology mills. Chris Pomery will be intrested so THANK YOU again!
Theres another connection Ive been trying to find. The interest in Stokesay Hall comes from the other side of my family. There was a Joseph Wilson corn merchant and he married a relative Catherine Campbell Shearer. They had 4 children one of whom was Frank Campbell Wilson Lord Mayor of Liverpool 1922 23. When the last of the family died Margaret Florence Wilson, her will was found to have been changed to favour someone outside the family A Mrs Shone , her companion. There was a court case and the trust fund was finally dispersed in 1970. HOWEVER I dont know when MFW died . I want to find her will, Im consumed by curiosity! There would have been an orbit but I would imagine there might also be court reports or newspaper reports. Its not really that far back some time between about 1965 and 1970 ?? What do you think? Any chance you might ferret out something??
annie
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Hello Annie did you get lost in the forest of RootsChat ;D
Unless you unticked the Notify of replies you should have been notified. Anyway i have noticed recently that the box's are now all pre ticked. It's nice to know you have found something that you can use in my finding. As to obtaining wills, I only do burial look ups on this Topic so cant help with that i am afraid.I have myself a few weeks ago bought over the net. The will of my G.G.Grandfather (Not the original of course :) from Scotland. I do believe you can order English wills in England as well but you must know the year of death. You will have poke around the net to find some information ;) As with wills, looking for court case documentation is more of a private thing and one we have to do ourselves.I too have a case i would like to go into that concerns money but i cant be bothered ;D I wont gain anything from it. You have to have information as well, but if you know the court that the case took place in you could allways try phoning them up it's worth a try ;)
Hope this will be of some help
Celia
P.S If there is anything you are having a problem with on RootsChat go to beginners and they will help. we have all been there at one time or other :)
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Thank you Celia. I thought Id ticked but I didnt get a notice so I cant have.
Lost in the Roots? more like lost in a forest of family trees.
Like you theres nothing in the will for me but Id love to know how much the companion got away with.( She was sister to a very famous politician) One of the other Wilson children left something silly like 1/4 of a million to a cats home so that last will must have been worth the public humiliation!! Id love to know!I may try the original solicitor?
Scottish ancestors are eas to find with because of Scotlandpeople. Its very clear and easy to use and Ive had most of the certs I wanted from them. I get lost in the English equivilent!
You have been great Many thanks
Annie
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Sandy can you put a shortcut to this topic on your computer then you will come straight here. It will be quicker than giving instructions by P.M. ;) I did say not to get used to using P.M it will confuse you. Also i cant conduct this topic Through a P.M as i need to see all posting. Dont worry take your time, if you are reading this found your way back ;)
Celia
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Sandy i am putting your reply on here
Posted by Sandraanne
hi celia thank you for that info and the map, I have walked round that cemetry and could not find them , on reading your letter spoke to one of the family and grave d is not far from grave A . You asked me was you helping reseaching family history or MI's from the church I think now a little of both as you gave me the place to look which me and mind could not. so did you manage to enquried about the stones from Liscard Independant Chapel the info was given to me by Helen Gill from cheshire family history i would love to sent you a copy of the letter, i am begining to think that i made it all up but believe me i did not " question why would someone it if it was not true" have you any tips on searching in rake lane as i always get lose did they burry left to right or right to left get in touch soon sandy
As i said i couldn't ask about the stones and' as said, you might get this information if you phone Landican. If you print the map out and take it with you to the cemetery you wont get lost ;D Did they burry right to left or left to right ??? Right to left i think ;) Celia P.S Sandy if you have seen the map you have been on the topic. Please reply on here ::)
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Have i done this right this time or not sandranne
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Hi Sandy yes you got it right anything you want to know while your here ??? jUST PRESS REPLY
Celia
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Celia...I have had time to look over that burial document. I am afraid it is too old and thin to copy and be able to read the copy.
Basically here is the info you might be able to use:
Wallasey Cemetery
General Ground
Registrar of Grants No. 2692
William Thomas Taylor of 40 Edith Rd in the County Burrough of Wallasey paid 6 pounds 6 shillings for the plot for his heirs.
under the Common Seal of the Corporation 26 October, 1922
On the back was typed in when there had been burial
1st Interment 23 Sept 1922 Mary Ann Taylor 66 years
2nd 30 October, 1928 William Thomas Taylor 73 years
3rd Interment 23-12-1963 William John Taylor 80 years
Goes on to say:
By probate of the will of William Thomas Taylor dec'd dated the 14th day of June 1928,
*Here there are 2 initials because I think whoever typed this spelled the last name wrong...typed Russell but it was crossed out and hand written in Wilson*
Elizabeth Wilson of 40, Edith Road, Wallasey, daughter of the dec'd, is granted the exclusive of burial in the within mentioned grave, subject nevertheless to the rules, regulations and conditions under which the exclusive right of burial was granted,
* Here's the part I think you might use next time looking at records!
Registered in the General Registar of Private grave Vol. 1 Folio 152
22nd June 1929 signed N Cannon resister
I now see this is who initialed the mistake with the last name above...a N.C.
Anyway hop the Vol and folio will help narrow down the gravesite search for you!!!!! :)
Love,
Karen
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Me again
I was re-reading my Aunt's letter. In it she states that she had seen the headstone for William Thomas and Mary Taylor and was made of Black Marble. Their names are on it, along with the 2nd son named William BUT she mentions that my Grandfathers name is also on it a Robert Samuel Taylor or maybe Trainor (another long story) but interred in Clydebank, Scotland.
Just another thing to help you :)
Karen
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hi ceilia glad i got it together at last, any news on plot 14g on those stones from Liscard Independant Chapel also have you found where grave D yet all one of the relatives say it is not far from Maud Ivy windsor grave may three rows back or forward hope this helps you find it "you qoute in your last letter this Sandy as a Matter of interest am i helping you research your family, Or am i helping with M.I from the church Yard. 2 Well the answer is both with out one you can not do the other is that okay i had heard names but no dates have been and teken photos this would not of been possible with out your help in this matter, please can you contuinue to help me with thi project sandy
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Hi Karen The register information should find this illusive plot ;) The registers are the original books from which were copied onto film.The film being the one's i use. Normally doing a burial look up doesn't take long when the year is known. I am not sure at this time where the registers are held but i will find that out on my next visit. The problem in your case has been the reglion. As you know i looked in both C.O.E & Catholic with no results.Now on my second visit i was told that they must have been non conformist,so therefor would not have been buried in Rake Lane. I knew they were so didn't bother looking in Flaybrick :) Hopfully the register will tell us the religion. I can't visit the Archive till the weekend of next week, as i will be away this weekend and they are not open Mon/Tues/or Wed.
Celia
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Hello Sandy I have explained your questions on page 5.
I cannot help with your grave D. As Mentioned earlier i have to have a death year. I am glad i have been of help to you and that you have been able to take photo's. You must be patient dear. The Archives are only open Two and a half days a week. I don't drive so i have to travel by bus it's no problem, but i cant go on a Saturday. so that leaves Thursday or Friday. Yes i will continue to help you as much as i can. If you go back to the previous page you will find the answered to your questions.
Celia
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Sorry i did not know you travel by bus if you give me your address i will send some money to cover the price of a bus ticket as i know they are not chesap, please do not be annoy by this request to help you, I have had another letter form helen saying that the stones from liscard chapel are in plot 14g question how do we know which ones sandy
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I too would like to send something to Celia to help out!
Karen
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Ladies Please ;D Thank you for the very kind offer but as a pensioner i have a free travel pass. I would not be helping others if i didn't or they would have to wait till the summer ;D I only mentioned it because the weather has been so bad and it's cold and wet waiting for a bus. So if it's blowing a Gail on a Thursday or Friday you will understand if i don't go as promised. Got soaked last week ,no shelter :(
Celia
Sandy as said ::) In regard to finding out which stone are from the church. we will have to wait till my next visit. I am not sure how i find out about those. That is realy up to you, but i will ask anyway. You are third on the list, while you are waiting why not ask the Chapel if they have any records of
how to find out who's stones got moved to rake lane. I will have a look up for your Sarah around 1895. two years each way.
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They are William Thomas and Mary Ann (or Marianne) Taylor
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Karen some good news at last. Your Taylors are in Plot 11. G. Which is right in the center of the cemetery and not round the edges ,i wonder where that came from ;) I have your Mary Ann Taylor no 630 sec 11.G Grave number 186.
no 9102. Folio 167. year 1928. burial oct 30th
William Thomas Taylor age 73. 40 Edith road seacombe
Mode of Burial 2nd class. Sec 11G grave no 168.
I do not know if this is any connection but it is on the same page as Mary Ann Taylor.
September 1922. Thomas Merton Taylor.Burial 9th Sep 1922 age 55. This one is plot 6.G. I cant make out the address of this person ,it looks like 9, Liesly Road Liscard
I was correct in my assumption of the registers .They are held elswhere. The above information came from the correct source. It was the word General ground that did the trick.
Celia
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Hello Karen
Apart from the burials on plot 11G. that you know of. Do you want me to take any information from other headstones that contain the name Taylor if i come across any on the same plot??? What about the Thomas Merton Tayor on Plot 6.G ???
Do you want photo's ???
Celia
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I was directed to the wrong site on my last visit it turned out i had been looking around 11c plot instead of 11g the person who directed me must have thought i said c. Anyway it was right on the outside of the plot. Just as well because it was massive ;D Let me know if the bottom headstone is yours or not. If not i will delete it to save download time.
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Message deleted it was not meant to be on view,my fault :-[
Celia
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WOW!!! You are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The emotions that are going on just sitting here seeing that photo. Not quite as strong as when I found my grandparents grave in Clydebank, Scotland by a strange circumstance (found by no plot #'s but by walking and finally asking in prayer to my Grandmother to show me it and there it was!)
A million thanks for all the effort that went into finding this. I know you have gone the extra mile to do so!
I hadn't answered your last message to me because I had driven over to Tucson, Arizon to spend 5 days with my cousin there. Her Mum is the one that has given me all the info on the Taylor's and the burial document. I used her laptop and wasn't comfy using it to do other things besides reading my mail.
Weird about William John not being on the stone even though he is on the burial document. My aunt has given me an address to his grand daughter in New Zealand so I am in the process of writing her for more info on the Taylor's. I had even mentioned we were locating the gravesite of her grandfather...maybe she can shed some light on the matter.
I will also write my aunt about the "other" Taylor stone you found. First guess to me is they are Not related...but one never knows.
Again...a MILLION thanks go out to you
All my love and appreciation....I owe you a dinner next time I come that way :)
Karen
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Hi Karen, thats one problem solved ;D now we have another ;) I looked for William J 23rd/12/1963 he wasn't there. Lets hope Williams Granddaughter can give us some clues It's grave genealogy is this ;D It's nice to be able to take photo's of a stone especially in your case.as you have the internment (might be a mistake Though)If i had just said sorry he isn't on it. I could imagine your reaction. Sending a photo is my proof ;)
Celia
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Hi Anrea I will have to start leaving any finding on the topic. I cant remember if you have these or not. I have a feeling you have because i remember taking a photo. but i found these by chance on the through a film.
Burial 1962 April 17th Maurice Ronald McNab aged 60 years District Anlesey
Burial 23rd october 1963 Susan McNab aged 9 Hrs Plot 22c
48 Egerton Street New Brighton
To Jan Taylor
I dont know if this is yours. Burial 1948 August 6th
Elizabeth Alice Lutas age 77 years plot 12c 15 Sunbury Road Eg (Thats secombe)
Sandy I was unable to find any information on the stones you mentioned as its a different road for me. The lady that gave you the information or the church must have a record of the move and who's stone they moved. You cannot move stones from one place to another without proper records. No One can do anything at any cemetery without the permission of Landican. Have you been there?
Celia
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Hi celia thank you very much for your time and effort, i wrote to landeican last year but did not get a response i am off in a cuple of weeks will make a trip down there to enquire, i quite agree with you that records are kept but where. he is a copy of the e-mail i received from that lady no names mention so we wont affend anyone who might read this,
Sandra,
Landican do not have the records for the stones from Liscard Independent Chapel. You will recognise the stones in plot 14G as being earlier in date from the opening of the cemetery itself which was in 1888. Also the names will be the same as those in the burial book for Liscard Independent Chapel which are at Earlston
Now as you can see wether do i go from here i think the cem was open before 1888, I was told that the stone i am looking for was readable when it was in the old church some stomnes in plot 14g are cover by grass also they have put warning signs over the writting so you can not read them ( I know they had to be made safe to the public like us ) but it would be nice to read any suggestions how to procede any futher sandy
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Hello Sandy,yes it's sad to say that Landican are not at all helpfull these days. one of the reasons i don't go there anymore.On the other hand family research has taken of since i started my tree a few years ago.So i suppose they got fed up with people asking questions.They are only there to arrange funerals after all. You are right in saying Rake lane opened before 1888. I had no idea The library had church Yard burial records,that might come in handy sometime ;D The cemetery staff have worked all through the spring summer and winter of last year and will continue to do so. To save grave stones and take away vandalized one. I noticed they are putting up new railing's and replacing old one's. I would like to think that my letters in the past have helped. I have said that the Gates should be shut after dark like they used to be(.A young person was murdered there last year.Next stop my M.P ;)
Celia
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Well I did APPRECIATE the photo of the gravestone no matter what!
With amazing technology....I right clicked and saved the photo off the post. I had emailed it to many cousins but today I went to Sams Club (a warehouse store division of Walmarts here) online, went to their photo center and actually uploaded it to them and ordered like 20 copies. I went to the store and picked them up less than an hour later and they were perfect! I am now going to send at least 15 out to cousins and Aunts who I have made albums with copies of old original family photos...including ones of the Taylors early 1900's....even have one of my William Taylor as Special Constible and you can see his badge number. So now will send out this photo of the headstone to add to their albums.
Have 2 more questions:
1. could you write out the directions of how to get to the cemetery and then once there how to get to the grave for me? I will then give it to my Aunt who will want to see it once the weather is better and she is in her late 70's. It would make it easier for her to find it I'm sure. :)
2. You've probably written this before in posts....but now that I have all this info I want to order both their death records......am hoping that their parents names are listed on the record like Robert's was. Is it still about 7 pounds? Can I do it online and pay by credit card? If not do you know the address?
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Wow if i had known you were going to do that i would have taken the top of the stone as well ;D but i wanted you to see the inscription. The headstone is taller than me ,but i am only 5ft ;D I did take a photo of the full stone but i keep forgetting to make the photo's smaller before i upload them. so the full one would have been large and taken ages to download everytime the page was opened.
Yes technology is a wonderfull thing. What you were able to do was fantastic. In answear to question 1 where will your aunt be coming from? If you print the map out on the previous I think? page. It would be best to enter by the second main gate. That is Rake lane, your aunt was right on saying the stone is on the edge.( in the middle)Before we knew the correct plot number i thought you meant round the edge of the cemetery.Thats were i looked last year, in regard to you ordering death certificates(who for) Parents names are only on Birth and Marriage certificates, not death ones. You don't need permission to die ;) Not in the U.K Anyway.
If you got the death information from U.K.B.M.D they have a form you can print out and send. In £ & pence cost £7.50.It also gives information about sending from abroad
hope this helps
Celia
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Hi Andrea I just found these on my document page
Postal Directories 1912
McNab David carpet Measurer 47,Kensington E
Donald Railway Porter, 1 St. George’s Street Everton.
Frederick Clark fitter 34 Marion St B/Head
Mrs. Isabella Chatsworth Avenue L, Pool (Walton)
James Fruit Merchant, St John’s Market. Res.16 Rupert Lane E
Misses Janet & Margaret, 341 Prescot Road, Standly E
John Boiler Maker 434 Park Road North Claughton.
John lodging house inspector, 11 Hendon Road Fairfield E
Philip Percival Painter, 21 Binny St E
Celia
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Annie Pomeroys as promised
You didn’t Say if I gave you this one or not?
Mrs Elizabeth Pomeroy. 8, Clwyd Terrace/ Street. The Terrace was later dropped.
1882. Agustus J Pomeroy Gentleman Mount Road. 1883 No Pom’s in post book for this year 1884. Augustus Pomeroy Gentlman Fountain Lodge, Rake Lane Liscard.
1885. Mrs James Pomeroy. 11 Mount View Clwyd Street. New Brighton.
1885. Mrs Lizzie Pomeroy. Fountain Lodge.
1886. Mrs J.Pomeroy as 1885.Mrs Lizzie Pomeroy . as 1885
1887.Charles Pomeroy. 25 Albion Street, New Brighton
Mrs James Pomeroy as 1885
Mrs Elizabeth Pomeroy Westmorland Road, New Brighton.
Did you have any men of the Church in your Family?
Celia
To All I have now discoved that i have access to Parish Registers. 4 in all but only one has burials. So Hopfully in the near future i can go through them to see if i can find
any burials i couldn't find in Rake Lane
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Some left over Burials in St Hilary's.
1871. Joseph Jones of Wallasey Burial Aug 19th age 75
Robert Stowell of New Brighton. Buried May 16th age 71.
1872 Mary Jones of Little Brighton Buried 21st Feb age 40
Hanna Roberts of Poulton buried 31st Jan age 72
1873 Thomas littler of Seacombe buried 17th July age 63
1874 John Huges of Secombe Buried 2nd March age 82
Thomas Davies abode L,Pool Buried 27th Aug age 77
Peter Ledsham abode Wallasey Buried 5th Oct.age 68.
William Nichol's age 8, Alice age 5,James age 3.
of Egremont all buried on 14th Nov 1874.
1875 Agnes Ellen Sadler abode Perch Rock Battery Buried 16th Jan age 11 days
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Hu Celia..cant quite remember if I replied to you or not...have had a head cold right in the middle of a hot and humid summer, so cant think. I have copied the people on the list of McNabs for the 1912 directories. What date do those go up to?
I checked with my cousin and the Susan McNab that died as an infant was her cousins twin.
Thanks again
Cheers
Andrea
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Hi Celia
I saw your post re. looking in Rake Lane Cemetery. I'm looking for my hubby's great grandfather, a mariner ( he lived in The Mariners Homes NB) I didn't realize there was a specific area for mariners. Would you mind telling me whereabouts they are buried? I know through the Wallasey FHS that there aren't as yet any full records, but wondered whether you had built up a list of ones you had found so far. I daren't go in these days on my own but may make use of the Easter hols and get my kids to escort me round the cemetery ( I'm nervous of dogs and have seen quite a few large ones off the leash :-(
Regards
Molly.
Hello Molly As you can see i have copied and pasted your P.M on here. Till you find your way round RootsChat and onto the topic. When you say you didn't realize there was a specific area
For Mariners. Do you mean one for the Mariners in the mariners retirement home. Or a plot for Mariners only in Rake lane cemetery? The answear to both is no,The plots are according to religion. C.O.E. Catholic, and none conformist. If you want me to find a Grave Stone for you i first have to look up the burial to find the plot. So if you can give me the year of death and Name.I can Hopefully find it as long as you know the burial took place there. Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks, I was floundering a bit at first on this site ??? and pressing the wrong buttons
You've actually answered my question,in a way thank you. My search for him was started quite a few years ago, and I then went overseas, so I'm starting up again. I had thought that there was a seperate plot for the mariners from the home. I remembered, after reading your message, that years ago I looked for him by going through the records at landican. At that time I had the wrong date of death, but now have his death cert. I will try to look at Landican records next week in the hope they can tell me his plot. Doesn't stop me being worried about the dogs :-) but I'll take my eldest with me. So if you see a nervous looking person with pen and paper walking around....:-) Hope you won't mind if I come back to you for more advice, :-)
Regards Molly
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Hi Molly well done welcome to RootsChat. In regard to you going to Landican I don't think they have the records now but check just in case i am wrong. It would be a lot quicker for you to go to the Town Hall in Birkenhead (if thats nearer for you)Where they have an ever growing supply of records. You can look up burials on film(by years and religion)for Rake lane cemetery and other council cemeteries, quickly when you know the year. You will get the plot number plus other info. The town Hall is only open Thursday Friday and part Saturday. I would suggest that you book a machine as they only have one film reader.
If you go to the first page of this topic you will see i have put a short cut address to my Merchant sea mens M.I's. You never know your might be there. It isn't in any order for various reasons. Come back if you need anymore help i will try to oblige
Celia P.S. I noticed you are researching Mathews in the area my Grandad (father of my mother)lived. It was always said there was no such name as Mathews. My Grandad was Walter Edward Mathew,any connection?
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Hi
I am looking for John Richard Owen, born 1866, no idea when he died, he's in the 1901 cenus, unmarried , he was the owner of the Queens Hotel, New Brighton after that date some time. no idea if he married or what!
may have lived to 65, so poss about 1931. Would have thought he was Church of England thro. If it's not enough info, never mind, i'll try and find out more info.
Rob
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Hello Rob, well the only thing i can advise you to do, is to try and find the approximate death year you can go to any good reference libraries and look it up on the St Cath's Death index. I can't do a burial look up on the basis that John Owen was born in 1866 and might have lived till he was 65 ;D So when you have done a bit more research come back and i will see if i can help. When you find out when he died how will you know he was buried in Rake lane cemetery ???
Celia
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Hi Celia
My Mathews was William George, as far as we know he didn't have an relatives here, but there again I haven't been able to find his birth cert yet, so you never know. On the 1881 census it has him down as being born in Worcester. Also we don't know what religion he was.
Well, I went to the cemetery today, a few little dogs, and a man lurking near the old church building in the middle for no particular reason. I've not been to Birkenhead yet but hope to soon ( off to Liverpool for a couple of hours later this week for more research) and hope to get to the Maritime Museum next week.
Regards
Molly
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Hello Celia, I hope I'm posting this correctly to you. if not you'll have to put me straight.
I am hoping that you can help me find details of graves in Rake Lane cemetery for
Robert Graham Pears died 1912
Elizabeth Pears died 1902
Margaret Stockbridge .. death date unknown, but after 1901 she could be buried with above.
and does Margaret Bell appear at all. she died after 1901
Thank you for your time, Elsbeth
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Hello Elsbeth that was quick Welcome to RootsChat
To find any graves in Rake lane firstly a look up on film has to be done at the town hall.This will give the plot number,as you have the year it should be easy to find. Do you know if people you are looking for were Catholics or C.O.E? because they are both on seperate films. Did you just want the information so you can find the grave yourself because you live near the area.Or are you asking me to do a look up for you?the reference room at the T.H is only open for 2 1/2 days a week Thursday Friday and part Saturday. Let me know and i will be happy to help,but i need to book as they only have one machine.
Celia
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Thanks for your helpful reply. I am almost 100% certain that they were CofE.
No, I was not wanting the info to visit the grave myself, as getting there would be difficult for me. I would however be very grateful for any information that is on the graves themselves,
very many thanks, Elsbeth
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Hello Elsbeth I have taken note of the people you would like a look up for.I will only need to look up Robert Graham Peers to give me the plot number.for the grave. Then i will find the grave and tell you who else is in it. I will post a mail with my finding next weekend. If the Two Margaret's are not buried in the grave Will you be able to narrow down the death years after 1901 that will be more difficult it's hard to guess a death if they were living on the 1901 census.
Celia
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Thanks very much Celia, for all your time and trouble. Elsbeth
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Hi celia hope i have got it right this time can you if possible time permitting look up an mi for William Gregory who died 14/4/ 1950 this is all that i have his wife would be called elizabeth dont really know where he would be buried so could you look up rake Lane, flaybrick and Lanican the family did live in birkenhead thank you sandra
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Hi Sandy
I just noticed i had a reply, i didn't get a notification. You are in luck, i am doing a couple of look ups this weekend for Rake Lane. so i can do yours on the next film while i am there. Burial look ups do not give other people buried in the same grave unless they died on the same day. I am not sure if i will have time to look up Landican and Flaybrick as well. As you don't know which cemetery. i have to give others priority this trip but i will do my best.
Celia
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Hello Elsbeth
I forgot about an arrangement i had for tomorrow so i did your lookup earlier.
Robert Graham Pears, Buried Nov 2nd 1912, age 55
Address 19 Devenshire Drive, parish of Liscard.
Mode of burial sub 3rd class plot 11g.
Folio 56 Year 1902.
Elizabeth Pears buried 22nd Feb 1902 aged 40. plot 11g.
I had a problem reading the address for Elizabeth the first letter of the road looked like G but with the tail going the wrong way so it's possibly a Q.The rest of the letters looked like a ripple on a pond :)
The last two letters might be two L.L so it might read as
3, Quill Lane Liscard. I cant find anything that resembles that address in my Street atlas, but it was a long time ago so maybe it's not there anymore.
Later in the day i went to look for the grave, I did not find it.
There was a lot of empty spaces in some cases nearly a whole row was empty of headstones.This does not mean that the stone is not there,hopfully like many others it has at sometime fallen. The grass has grown over it, all headstones have a number but this is for cemetery staff records/ reference only.It is not on the headstone itself. I did go to the scrap yard(as i call it ;D)where i know they have a little card in the office ,of every plot and the exact location of a grave. It was all locked up though. The man with the keys wasn't there today. So maybe i can catch him during the week.What i will do when i find it i am not sure. Do you think he will lend me a spade ;D
Celia (Elsbeth has seen this reply)
Mission compleated :)
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Hello Sandy
I had a look for you William Gregory in Rake lane but he isn't there. So didn't look in Landican or Flaybrick.
Celia
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Hi celia thanks for that look up, could you do another for Rake Lane have more details this time date of death and burial .
John R Shandley born 23 nov 1853 died 7th march 1921 buriel 10th March 1921
1st wife Mary E Willie no details for her persume she is with him
2nd wife Lucy Agnes Shandley nee Benbow born 1864 died 9th jan 1938 burial 12th Jan 1938
I have try to look but get a bit confused after while, and it is always closed when i finish work 12.30 to 5.30 and have my grandson in a morning so me could take him he would run riot in there he is only 3 why dont you get a pertition about the reader and sent it to the local council sandy
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Hi Sandy are these people you want a look up for actually buried in Rake lane ??? You never mentioned before that you worked or had a grandson to look after or i wouldn't have made that suggestion, sorry :-X
Celia
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Hi celia yes the shandleys are buried in rake Lane but I dont know where could you help me to find the plot , you wernet to know about me working and dont be up set about your suggestion sandy
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Hello Sandy
I have to say i am becoming concerned,because i have done a few burial lookups for various people in your family to help you with your tree.So far i have found none ??? for the dates/Months/years you have given me which is strange.Do you have the death certificates for any of these people.That will tell you where they died? If these are your relatives someone in the family must have some Ida what religion they were.At the moment i go through C.O.E and non conformist,(thats the easy bit ;D)i still don't find them. Catholics don't change religion as far as i know so i never look up those unless asked to. It isn't possible to look through all the cemeteries every time for each person.Because i still might not find them Can you find out from family which cemetery at leased one of them is buried to give me a starting point?can you also tell me where or who gives you these burial dates, cemeteries, and religions.Unfortunately none of them have been right so far.I will do your next look up if you can give me some more information.
P.S What happens when/if i find a plot for one of your burial's just interested :)
Celia
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Oh celia I am so sorry that I have put you to a lot of trouble, if you find the plot I can then go a find it and take picture if it has a head stone, now James Lawernce shanley is buried in rake lane hi wife benbow his in my husbands family somewhere along the line can you send me your private e-mail i will scan what i have which will explain sandy
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Hello Elsbeth
I havent forgotten about finding your Gravestone,weather permitting next week i will go and see if the man is there.That can tell me where it is or should be.
Celia
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Hi Sandy
well i decided to do the look up for you ,and i am sorry to say that again I did not find your burial. One person was buried on that date "Robert Parr".No Shandley burial at all in March.So i did not look for the other two. I was going to leave it till next week, but i have been helping a man in America with his genealogy and other stuff.His mother was born here,next week he and his wife arrive on the Queen Elizabeth from New york.He is on his way now. we will be meeting up to chase up some records.Cant believe i am going to put a face to an email ;D
Celia
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Hi celia dont under stand have the details all written down sorry will try and find out more info and let you know again thank you for all your kindness to me in my search sandy
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Sandy are you sure he wasnt cremated?he won't have a burial record if he was
Celia
P.S just remembered Landican didnt open till the 30's
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Hello Elsbeth
I have now found your gravestone, We know that Robert Graham Pears is buried in the grave, but there is no inscription on the gravestone for him. However there are two burials with a space in-between both. So i would imagine that an inscription was to be put on the stone but for some reason wasn't.
In Loving Memory Of
Elizabeth (Tilly) Wife of R.G.Pears who died 19th Feb 1902
Also Margaret Stockbridge Mother of the above Elizabeth Pears
Who died 25th August 1903 aged 73 Years
When i was looking for your stone the last time, I happend to notice on 10c a headstone for a Margaret Helena Pears Courtney. Died 16th November 1947 aged 75
I also came across, but i don't know which plot,
Benjamin Pears died 26th January 1920 aged 47 years
Also his wife Susan Rebbecca died 17th May 1923
Also Mabel Daughter of the above.
so i took note of them at the time just in case they are yours.
Celia
Mission compleated ;)
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Thank you very much Celia for this info on the Pears'.
I'm sorry about the delay in reading your message (and replying) but I've had BIG computer problems and am just getting back to normal.
The information you've given is very helpful and intruiging. More research by me needed I feel.
best wishes and thanks again Elsbeth
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Silly me put my post on the wrong topic :-[ it should have been in The armed forces. I only just notice that
Celia
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Hi Celia,
When you have chance could you look up details in indexes of burials for me for Rose Aldred (not sure which cemetery but not Landican or Frankby) & Elizabeth Carson definitely in Landican in Catholic part I think. Both died 1960/1961 ish.
Cheers
Lorrie
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Hi Lorrie
Yes i will do the lookup for you,but i wont be able to do it till probably near the end of July.The Reference library is only open Thursday's Friday's and a few hours on Saturday,Cant go that day.I am off to Australia for a month next week, and have appointment's for tomorrow and Friday
Celia.
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Thanks Celia,
Have a great time in Oz!
Lorrie
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Hello Celia, hope all is well with you. may I ask if you could look up another person in Rake Lane cemetery?
I am looking for the grave of Leonard Henry Pears who died in 1942. I think he was about 54 when he died. Also I wonder if his wife, May (or Mabel) Elizabeth Pears is buried there about 1963? I have been told that this is where they were buried, but have no definite proof. Can you help I wonder?
Many thanks, Elsbeth
Hello Elsbeth
When you make a request would you be kind enough to put it on this topic (I have done it for you ;))and not a P.M. When you click Celia's Rake Lane,just click on the Reply button. Then you can read the pages and any messages.As you can see i am not available at the moment and am sending this from Australia.
So i will do your lookup at a later date.
Celia
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Hello Elsbeth and Lorrie
I am Back now to catch up with your requests :D I will be going to the research library next week to do some lookups.If the library has not put the automatic (fast forward & rewind) film reader back i might not get much done.It takes forever on those older machines they put in.So if i have the right burial year and cemetery i will do those first. i will report back next week with any finds
Was somebody looking for a Thomas Davies ???
Celia
P.S The variouse F.H.S for the wirral have transcribed over the years,all of the church Yard burials.Lots of them, and they are in my Library and easy to use.So i can look in those as well if anyone is interested
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Hi Celia,
I wonder if you can give me some advice I am looking for a William Creer d Wallasey 1868, I am not sure if he was Catholic because he was married in a Catholic Chapel. Any ideas were I might find a Catholic burial from that year in Wallasey? Last address was Egerton St, New Brighton. I would be really greatfull if you have the time to give me some clues. I do live in the area and have spent a good few hours in the past few years scrambling round St Hilary's and Rake Lane looking for other bits of my family ;D and many hours in archives and library, have done quite well so far. Unfortunately at the moment I have a back injury and cant get around too well :'( I have a lot of info on the Creer family (unfortunately named as Green in some records in Wallasey library)but would love to try and maybe find a headstone??
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Hello Toad
Its near impossible to find a burial if one has no idea where they were buried. In 1868 Most burials were in Churchyards. If i remember rightly council cem's didn't open till well after that date (these are shown on the first page)so you know they wont be in Rake Lane or any of the others. I do the lookups at Birkenhead Town Hall Library. However they don't have Church Burials.If you have spent time looking for burials in Wallasey Library.You will be aware that they hold many M.I's for most of the churchyard burials in wirral. (Plus many other publications by others with Marriage and births)All transcribed by the wonderfull volunteers from various F.H.S in wirral. The other drawback is although a person died in wallasey. It doesn't mean to say they were buried there. You will also have noticed that in Rake lane there are lots of spaces.A lot of the headstons are grassed over(if you were looking for later burials. Can you let me know what records you have looked at so far. I have used local libraries for years and keep finding ref books i never knew they had. Only the other day i found a book of burials for Christ Church Barnston In Wirral going back to the 16 hundreds,Amazing.
Celia
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A POLITE NOTICE TO ALL
Due to previous experiences,in future, i will only do a lookup for burials in a known cemetery when the death year is known or, one as near as possible.I will do one for one cemetery if you are not sure which one. if a death year is known. Unfortunately i can no longer go through all the films of burials in all the (i think) cemeteries to see if the burial is in that one for the year given. It is very time consuming To look from Jan to December Page by page (while winding? a wonky wheel ;D at the same time )and its not there. I could do the same thing with all the cemeteries and not find it so I hope you will understand and not be offended.
I will Always Look up Rake Lane,as first choice, for people who lived and died in the area as long as i have a death year,or near
Celia
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Toad do you want a lookup in Rake lane for your William Greer
I have a few to do this week.
Celia
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Thanks for the offer Celia but I have a feeling Rake Lane opened in the 1880's? That I think rules out William being buried there as he died in 1868, I am wondering if he may have been buried in Flaybrick as I think that cemetery was opened in 1864. The problem is it could be a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack even though I know his year of death you were right in saying he could be buried anywere especially if he were Catholic.
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Sorry Toad it was the mention of Rake lane opening in the 1800 put me off,and it was late ;D I have taken note of the death Year in my burial book.so if i come across it in Flaybrick i will let you know.
Celia
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Today i came across the website below,Claudias page.While researching her own tree she has printed out some whole page's of burial's.One for Flaybrick 1880 July 16th to August 7th.One for Rake Lane 1919 From March 29th to April 3rd
Also a census page 1901 for Poulton cum Seacome.York Road and Buchanan Road.
Hope as she says it might be of use to you.
http://www.wildfamily.info/Wirral%20Burial%20Register%20Extracts.htm
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Hi Celia,
When you have chance could you look up details in indexes of burials for me for Rose Aldred (not sure which cemetery but not Landican or Frankby) & Elizabeth Carson definitely in Landican in Catholic part I think. Both died 1960/1961 ish.
Cheers
Lorrie
Hi Lorrie
I had a look for Rose Aldred in Rake lane for 59/60/61 didn't find them.As your not sure which cemetery.I didn't have time to do more(the council have obliged my request 8) and are putting back, in 2/3 weeks, the electronic film viewer they took away a few months ago :( ) I also looked at Landican but never finished so i will continue with that when they reopen in a couple of weeks.With the viewer back in place.I hope ;D
Celia
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Hello Celia, hope all is well with you. may I ask if you could look up another person in Rake Lane cemetery?
I am looking for the grave of Leonard Henry Pears who died in 1942. I think he was about 54 when he died. Also I wonder if his wife, May (or Mabel) Elizabeth Pears is buried there about 1963? I have been told that this is where they were buried, but have no definite proof. Can you help I wonder?
Many thanks, Elsbeth
Elsbeth
I did mostly 50's 60's lookups today among other things.So didn't do your 1942 lookup. I did however find your
Mable Elizabeth Pears.she was Buried in 1964 on January 24th she was aged 79 when she died.Her abode was what looked like(hard to read) Valkie road,but according to my street index it is probably 40, Valkyrie Wallasey. Mod of burial Sub. Buried plot 20c Grave number 651. I will do the other look up at a later date.
Celia
Mission compleated ;)
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Toad
The Flaybrick burials don't seem to go back as far as 1868 on film.At leased i couldn't find the number.So will do that on my next visit in a couple of weeks.They have a draw full of films and a file printed out,with what is on each film,Cemetery and years.I must get the librarian to print out these out for me .So i can find at home what films i need. when i get there.It would save me lots of time. Don't know why i didn't think of that before ::)
Celia
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Thanks Celia, thats the problem when you are searching for stuff half the battle can be just finding the film fiche book etc it MIGHT be on. Ah if only our ancestors realized that so many of us would want to find out about them and how they lived! ???
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Hi Toad
Its not so much the ancestors, its the burial records.There are so many. I have tried to look up a burial's in Rake lane that i am told took place in a certain year. and no they weren't Catholics so i only look at C.O.E I do not find them (but they are there ;)) is the cry ;D If i am lucky i might find them On Common ground on another film. That is when Both C.O E and Catholic are buried on the same plot (I Think ;D) Common ground is on a different film,it is just so bitty.You really need to take a course in "How To Use the films" ;D Before that though you need to take a course on how to use the reference book that tells you want number film you want and what years the films go from/to. Some of these are crossed out because mistakes have been made in the enry in the book. As they say here. It duz me ed in at times ;D
Celia
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Can you claim these?
Frances Standing Davies Died 7th December 1948 age 67. Just the one inscripion on this stone.
Felix O'Neile Died 28th December 1931 aged 61
Herbert L Davies died 17th June1933 age 48
Lieut. Felix Thomas Davies Husband of Rita Estelle Davies
Died of wounds 2nd July 1944 aged 27
Rose O'Neile died 17th Feb 1966 aged 94
George Davies Died 25th March 1928 age 48
Sarah Gordon(Aunt Sarah) died 19th June 1948 aged 73
Winifred Davies Died 20th June 1963 aged 82
George Davies (son) Died 5th August 1975 aged 69.
Francic Samuel Husband of Anne Oatley Died 5th may 1928 age?
I.M.O My Dear Daughter
Olive Thersa Kozmin Died 12th May 1929 age 23 Years
also Elizabeth Eldride mother of the above died 15th May 1954 aged 88 years
Thomas Husband of Elizabeth died 9th October 1948 age 81
In Memory Of
James Keogh Late of Liscard and Drury Lane Liverpool
Died 26th June 1918 age 76
Elizabeth Curtis Died 20th Jan 1929 age 70.
In Loving Memory of
Mary Keogh died 23rd Feb 1929 age75
Edward Keogh son of the above died 7th Sep 1962 age 75
His wife Barbara Elizabeth (cissie) died 11th July 1964 age 80
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Hello Elsbeth
Found your burial today
Burial date of Leonard Henry Pears was 2nd March 1942.He was aged 54.Abode was 40,Valkyrie Road Wallasey.M.O.B Sec/class Plot 11c Grave number 78
Celia
Mission compleated ;)
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Sandy
While was doing the 1940's lookups i came across
Sampson Nicholson Windsor. burial date. 15th Jan 1941.age 56.
Abode 13 Sefton Road New Brighton (Emanuel) M.O.B 3rd Class. Plot 13c. Grave number 337.
We Have a Death year for a Sampson Windsor in 1893.
Nicholson,and Windsor were the names of Sarah's two Husbands.So this has to be yours. The other Sampsons Father maybe. What a find ;D this happens all the time, i am looking for one person and find another previously unknown burial for someone else. Good job i have a good memory for the names i have looked up in the past.
Celia
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Purple1
Talking about finding names ,still on 1941 lookup i noticed a Mary Ann Peers.buried 19th March.age 69 Abode 28 St Albans Road. Parish of St Thomas M.O.B 3rd Class Plot 13c Grave 709.
I noticed you put Peers on the bottom of you Post last week and i think 13c is around where your relatives graves are and they are Catholic.So is this Mary Ann yours
Celia
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I am Putting my Photo's up here on Rootchat for safety.The reason being that last year i tried to find some pictures or some documentation.On Fountain Lodge for Annie.Fountain Lodge Once stood on Rake Lane.I did not find one single scrap of evidence that it was ever there at all.During the winter i searched every old book in the library plus other research i found nothing.( did this more for for me than Annie i might add ;D) It was some time after that i realized the present building had a familiar name. This year i noticed for the first time the stone Gate Post :o I must have walked passed it a hundred times and not seen it ::) Strangely when i first found it,it looked like it had been newly painted white maybe that was why i never noticed it before.I say strange because the garage has been closed for a long time. So why paint it and who did ??? I took another photo last week,as i have heard the garage is to be demolished. so the stone might go but not if i get my way it wont ;D. So as i said rootschat can take care of my evidence ;D
Update 16th Nov.Fountain Garage has now been demolished in this summer of 2005
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Lorrie
I will have another look for your Rose Aldred on Thursday or friday but i will give it a wider year scope this time.
celia
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Lorrie
I had another look for your Rose Aldred today this time on the non conformist film.I didn't find her.In fact in all the lookups i have done in various years i have never come across any Aldreds.It a shame you don't know the religion as this cuts the search time in half.The only other film to look at now is Catholics and Roman Catholics.If they were not Catholics would you let me know.There is no point in looking at that film if they weren't ;D
Celia
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hi celia i finally found it on roots chat it is mine and i am thrill because i never knew his age thank you sandy
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Burials Non conformist
1883
Buried 17th June George Thomas Barnes Age 81 Occupation Gentlman.Abode Albion Street .Parish Wallasey
1888
Buried June 13th William Anderson Age 44 Occupation Plumber.
Abode Sandfield Road Parish of Secombe Plot 2c
Will add any leftovers as i find them
Cant remember which film i was on when i got these C.O.E I think Update 16th Nov 2005
Rake Lane burials
1946
Buried Nov 23rd Alfred Edward Davies age 73
1947
Buried March 6th William Henry Davies age 87
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Hi Again Sandy
I'm chuffed too because i wasn't looking for that it just popped up ;D
Celia
P.S Thank you for replying this always tells me the post has been seen.
Celia
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Toad
Flaybrick Cemetery Birkenhead
I now have my print outs,"Registers of burials .Church of England,1864-1876,then 1876 to 1887.it is continiued on another film maybe different religion.Do you still want a burial lookup for William Greer 1868
Celia
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Hello Celia, sorry to have taken so long getting back to you. Thank you VERY much indeed for this information it has been so very helpful.
Mission accomplished indeed. Thanks again, Elsbeth
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Hello Lorrie
I decided on the spur of the moment,to do a different kind of lookup for burials.That i have not been able to find ( I keep a note)because the burial place is uncertain.Also to save myself some time.Before i do cemetery lookups.I don't want to get your hopes up ;) but i found a An Aldred burial,the only one i have ever come across.Firstly can you tell me who Rose was married to?Secondly did you get the death of Rose from her death certificate?
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Yes please when you have the time. The name is William Creer, very confusing because I have seen it spelt both Greer and Green :'(.I spent ages looking for Creer in the census records at Earlston library to eventually find the family had been marked down as Green :-\ It is definatly Creer as I have marriage certs ;D
Many thanks, Pat
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Hi Toad
i dont know which part of Merseyside you come from,but you dont live far from the library.Have you looked in the transcriptions of church burials.Athough there were loads of churches in the wirral or whatever it was called at the time ;D
Only a few had churchyards.Did you tell me the religion,i cant remember ???
Celia
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I thought i would put this website address on here.It has beautiful photo's of Churches in the Wirral and the odd one in Birkenhead, Enjoy.
http://www.wirral8.f9.co.uk/wirral/heswall.htm
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I live not far from our local choccy factory Cadburys ;D.O.K. on good days when they aren't burning the chocolate :P. I have a feeling William may have been Catholic he was married in a catholic Chapel in Liverpool ???. A phone call this evening is going to have me ploughing back into this side of the family. I left a note on a grave near to my Nan's, that I thought belonged to my uncle who died in the 1960's asking for any family to get in touch, the call I had was from my cousin! I have not seen her for over 35 years, she is older than me so she remembers me as a young child :D. We had a long talk and she has loads of old family photo's so we are going to meet next week ;D
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Hello Lorrie
I decided on the spur of the moment,to do a different kind of lookup for burials.That i have not been able to find ( I keep a note)because the burial place is uncertain.Also to save myself some time.Before i do cemetery lookups.I don't want to get your hopes up ;) but i found a An Aldred burial,the only one i have ever come across.Firstly can you tell me who Rose was married to?Secondly did you get the death of Rose from her death certificate?
Hi Celia,
Rose was married to Thomas Aldred in 1904.
I found her death in the GRO references in March quarter 1960 but I havent got her death certificate.
Regards
Lorrie
Celia
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Hi Lorrie
I am only 12 years out with this burial ;D must have have got the wrong email(family joke ;D) But i did think this may be a connection. In the Parish of St Peter Heswall M.I.i found
Low Ornate Headstone and curbstone.I.E.L.M.O.Elsie Rose beloved wife of Edward Charles Aldred.Died 8th July 1948 age 53.Also Melina Mary her sister and lifelong companion.Died 7th October 1944 age 48,sec 14 row 6 grave number 7.
Celia
ToadI found it in the last place i had to look,you had mentioned a marriage in a Catholic church.I was today going to recheck up the Catholic burials in Rake lane just in case he was the Catholic. but changed my mind.I looked in Flaybrick instead.Found him on the first page for that year ;D
Roman Catholic Flaybrick Film no 420/14
Buried 14th January 1868 William Greer aged 61
Coachman of 5 Victoria Terrace
M.O.B Private Grave.Sec 2 grave 330
Celia
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Its fifty years since i was last in school and i have to say .I have learnt or is that leard;D more History than i ever did in school .During the last eighteen months especially about the area i live.Today because 1 i found what i was looking for, quickly, 2 I had never had reason to look in Flaybrick, & 3 the writing was so beautiful and so clear.I decided to start at the beginning.
All the burials except for the odd one or two who lived in seacome were of Birkenhead people. I came across what i thought a very sad occurrence.In December 1866 and January 1867.It seems a whole or most of a family of McNulty died.Four of them in the same month.A Male McNulty age 40 died December 1866.Female age 30 died January1867.She was followed in the same month by three children 3/6/8/ approx.
The abode of this stricken family was Birkenhead workhouse. Going further on i found lots more people from the workhouse.What happened in those years ??? Then it seemed to slow down.It brought to mind the time's i have read on Rootschat.Where did the family go? they were on the 1861 census but not on the 71 or 81. Makes you think doesn't it ???
Celia
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Hi Celia
I have been going through all your brilliant information on this site. Could you do a lookup for me for my grandmother who died 19 01 65. Her name was Winifred Davies (nee Gascoyne )She died in the sub district of Wallasey aged 62 years.She was Church of England. I think Rake Lane would be the best bet .Also could you find a grave for Gascoyne, my great grandparents, who were also from Wallasey, Robert and Annie. They were Church of England too. Are there any other Gascoyne graves as they could be relatives as it's an unusual name.
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Sorry forgot to sign my name - it's Hilary.
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Celia Many thanks for that, so the name was put down as Greer in the burial records? No wonder I have had such a job of chasing this family! I wonder if there is a headstone? I am going to try and get round my hubby for a lift up there so I can have a little look ;D. Will let you know if I find any thing.
Pat
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Hi again Celia, just thought I would let you know that we had a little walk( more like hike ;) ) around sec 2 of Flaybrick today as the weather was nice, it makes me SO mad to see what some people are doing to some of the beautiful memorials in our cemetery's :'(. Anyway that is another subject. Hubby and I think we have found were Williams grave was, but as you can see from picture there is no sign of a headstone, maybe its buried? but we are more of the inclination that the tree in the photo has taken over were the grave once was :(
At least I know were he was laid to rest now and I suppose that with all the vandalism going on it is better to find no headstone at all than one smashed to pieces, thanks again for finding it for me,
Pat
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Many thanks Celia will keep that info in case it is linked to my family. Appreciate yourtime in looking for me.
Regards
Lorrie
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If you want to see a women possessed ;D in finding a gravestone see Cals post and photo's on page 4 of " The Gravestone Store",in the common room.If you you have any similar stories we love to hear them on that topic.
Celia
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Jan Taylor Researching Lutas
Hi Jan
I wont go into detail but this morning i found myself on a Catholic plot fourth row back from the edge.Standing by an old gravestone that contained the family of Lutas/Lutus.It mentioned a Grandson of a Phoebe and John plus a lot more.I had no Paper and the camera i always carry around let me down.So i Have come back for the other one.I cant remember the details from last year.Was, Phoebe? Married to John. ???
Celia
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Hi Toad/Pat
What a shame about the tree,Flaybrick like all cemeteries will have a chart.Showing the exact place the grave is, on each plot.This was for the use of the grave Diggers only.So not available to the public.As burials no longer take place there(do they?I don't know much about Flaybrick)I am not sure who holds those postcards size charts.If you can find out maybe you will find the grave.In Rake Lane people seem to be uncovering the graves of their ancestors themselves ;D
Celia
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Thank you for the P.M Jan.Request Granted,I will put it on the topic so the post makes sense.Have had to make the picture small for downloading purposes.
I.L.M.
Sarah Wife of John Lutas who died 31st Aug 1893 age 57
Reggie son of John & Poebe Lutas and Grandson of the above died, 16th May 1894 age 18Months
Also John Lutas Husband of the above.Died 23rd Feb 1906 aged 72 years.
Also Margaret daughter of the above John & Sarah Lutas
Died 9th June 1944 age 69 years.
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Jan
I found two stones today,Took photo's of both the second one was a smaller white stone I must have been to slow taking the second one so it switched itself off to save the batteries.I never noticed, it isn't in the camera.It does that because it hasn't got an internal memory.However i found some paper and coppied the inscription of that one.They may not pertain (love that word)to you but you never know.The bottom of the stone ,not visable says. Also Margaret Mary Beloved wife of the above who died Feb 9th 1944 age 79.The additional flat stone says."Also thier son John Owen Lutas.Dear Husband of Ada 24th April 1989 age 89.
The memorial stone said. I.L.M.Of John Thomas Lutas died 1925 age 57. And his wife Phoebe Lutas, died 1950 age 80.Also their daughter Doris Anderson, Died 1964 age 59.
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I am interested in a burial look up from the records at Landican Cemetery, Birkenhead for an Edmund Eddowes, who died about 1961. I would also be interested in any other information the records may contain, like birth date, parents name, etc. - for the purpose of my husband's genealogy.
Thank you so much.
Jacquie from Canada
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Hello Jacquie
I can look up a burial in Landican for you,have you any idea what religion Edmund Eddowes was(was he welsh;) )if so that will cut down the search time.Or if your not sure,but they weren't catholic.That helps a lot too :) Because the religions are on separate films,.Is it possible for you to look up on the On line B.M.D. for the correct year of death.If not no problem but,can you give me a time span to search. (1961 5 years after or before?)
You will not find information on Adult burials as to parent,they are given only on a child's burial.Parents names only appear on Birth and marriage certificates. It will give date of burial,age,his abode,type of burial,private,or which class,1,2,or three. Also the plot number where the grave can be found.
Celia
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Thank you SO much for your reply. We actually visited Landican a year+ ago and were told he was buried, I believe, #524, RC7, however we could not find it, so believe there was no stone placed. Unfortunately, in my wisdom!, didn't think of asking about his age, death date and whatever else they may have on record. We think he was born about 1880 and died about 1961 or 62, as my husband remembers him retiring when he was a child and dying when he was about 19 yrs old. He was Catholic and that is about all I can tell you. Thought if I could narrow down his birth date, from his death date, I may be able to order his birth certificate. Thanks again. "Talk" to you soon.
Jacquie
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Hi again
thanks for your quick reply, this means i can go and do the look up this afterternoon.The libray is only open thurs/fri.and half day sat.How nice you know the religion, and the approx year.It makes things so much easier.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
We have just found your kind offer of lookups for Rake Lane Cemetery.Could you please help with the following:-
Helen Southcomb died 2/04/1955 at 11 Trafalgar Avenue, Wallasey.
Her father, William Southcomb died 14/08/1924 same address.
Her mother Helen Alexander Southcomb died 27/08/1933 again same address.
They were not catholic, probably non-conformist, possibly C.of E.
Thank you,
Regards,
Graham
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Hello Jacquie
Would you believe it,i could not find your Edmund in Landican.I did have the right film 1864 to 1962.The film had General and non conformist.I did not find Catholic.Which the reference book says are on it. I checked the non cons but didn't find him.I spent a good hour and a half checking the film carefully. Don't worry though;) i will go back next week and look at the same film and go back further from 1961 we know he is there somewhere.Then find out why the burials end in 62.Sorry i haven't got better news.Sometimes due to certain facts unknown to us a burial might be found in another search under non cons.Not where one would expect say in the C.O.E so i now look at both.
Celia
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Hello Graham
Yes i will do your look up next week,I am very familiar with rake lane so i should find them with no problem.I will check both C.O.H and non cons.
Celia
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Thank you so much. Maybe that is why we couldn't find his grave, maybe we were given the wrong references. My husband does not know whether there was a gravestone so when we couldn't find one, we thought OK, there never was one placed.
My husband says that Edmund, his grandfather was Catholic but non practising.
Thanks again. Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Off to a genealogy conference, tonight and tomorrow.
Jacquie
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Hello Graham
it has occured to me that you have the names, date /year of death address, and cemetery. What other information were you hoping to gain from the look up.Apart from a plot number thats all the information i will get.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
We would like to know plot number, & if possible, position in cemetery as we intend to visit soon. Thank you,
Graham
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Thanks Graham
I just asked in case you wanted me to copy it all out for each burial.So i will just put the plot against each name.
Celia
Mission Completed ;)
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Hello Jacquie
I had to go over to Birkenhead town today,i remembered i was informed that the library there also has the burial info i use.So i went to check it out.They do so i will start going there again and wont be tied to two days. So while i was there i re-checked the film but i still cant find your Edmund.
The only Edmund was an Edmund Walter Calvely 1959 age 74 retired.I also asked why i cant find any burials after 1962,You have to go to Landican to obtain burials after that date(first time anyone has told me that ::) ) Have you asked on RootsChat for a census. If you ask for a lookup on the 1891 census that will help you a lot.If you know where he was born the looker upper ;D can find him easier.So if he was born Cheshire put a post on the Cheshire board.
When i have done The other lookup i will check another film for you. Hi Again dont know why i said that ;D No burials are on film after 1962.If Landican wasnt so far away i would offer to go 4 you. Unfortunatly i dont drive and its on the outskirts of Birkenhead and i dont live in Birkenhead.
Celia
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Jacquie
Have just had a look on the 1881 census,just in case ;) I found only one Edmund Eddowes in the whole of england a father with a son of the same name.Do you think you might be ten years out ??? with the birth date because the young Enmond is 10 years old.Will P.M. the census to you. please reply on the topic not the P.M thanks
Celia
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HI Celia;
I have asked for a copy of the 1891 census and there is an Edmund Eddowes, born about 1883, b Birkenhead and living in Liverpool. We think it may be him but I thought if I found his age at death, that might confirm. Then I checked out 1901 and can't find him. What ever help you can give is really appreciated. Is there any way I can email the Landican cemetery direct and have them check their records? If you have an email address for me that would be great. Thanks for all your help
Jacquie
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Hello Jacquies
landican don't give an mail address,you can only conact them by phone or letter with a stamped address envelope.Bit difficult for you in Canada :)The only thing i could suggest is that you write to Landican with your enquirie.Send it to me ( by P.M or my email address) then i will post it on. Then send you the reply ,if any.Ask for the burial information.They might oblige by post,if not ask for the plot number,so a relative ;) can take a photo for you ;) to sent to you in Canada. That will sound a lot better than
"How old was he when he died"
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Hope you can help with this one next time you are looking up! I still havent found my Aldred line but trying with the paternal side so am trying to find details of Everelda Carson born c1858 died in Birkenhead last details are 1901 census living Grange area Holy Trinity parish.
Would appreciate ny details you can find.
Regards
Lorrie
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Hello Lorrie
When did Did Everelda Carson die? do you know if she had a religion?
Celia
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Celia,
Not sure about religion and sorry (not much help) know it is probably c1925 -1930.
I have come up blank on 1837online to 1924.
If you need me to I will search a bit more to get you death details.
Regards
lorrie
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Yes please
Lorrie a death year would help i cant realy look for a burial whithout a yearand a religion.If i have a year i can look through months.It takes to long to look through all the years month by month.If i cant find a person for a given year in C.O.E.i look on other religions.I will be making two trips this week.Thursday and friday as usual.
Celia
P.S Try this site someone said its very good and it has more recent years.https://www.familyrelatives.org/treequest/jsp/customer/index.jsp
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I have put your P.M on the topic as your info with regard to names might be of interest to others.
Hi Celia,
I have found her record in June Qtr 1931 she died in Birkenhead so I think she will be in that area not Wallasey.
It is listed as Ebeldar strangely enough as is her birth record which I thought had been mis transcribed but now am not too sure???
She definitely was married to William Carson in 1880 and according to records is listed as Everelda.
Does that narrow it or do I need more?
Regards
Lorrie
Thank you for the birth year Lorrie,thats great :)
The reason i asked if Ebelda! was a spinster is because i was looking for a birth.So of course i didn't find it because i was looking under her married name ;D She wont be buried in Landican because it wasn't open then,Flaybrick maybe. While i am here ;) took a walk around Rake Lane Cem this afternoon on some plots i haven't been round since i collected M.S M.I's.To see if i could spot any names i previously couldn't find. Stepped onto a plot guess what ??? An Aldred Headstone :o do you have a Henrietta Aldred,Alice Aldred or a William john !!!! the rest is buried.Also a William John Allen.Might be no connection but!!
Celia
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Celia,
In respect of the Aldreds nothing at the moment to match your find but I will keep the details just in case.
Thanks again for your help. Also I have found from family discussion that Rosanna Aldred was living with one of her daughters when she died we think in the Charing Cross area. Does this help in locating where she may be buried?
Would Bidston be a likely?
Regards
Lorrie
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Hi Lorrie
I will probably have to leave your lookup till Monday,Tuesday as it will take a bit longer than the others.I will do the present one first then go back to Aldred.In the meantime,The stone was standing but it was in 2 halves.The top half leaning against the front on the ground.That said I.L.M of my dear wife Henrietta Aldred died 10th Nov 1909 age 53 also William John ,The rest is buried in the earth But it might be her husband.the other half says.Alice Aldred died 30th sep 1923 age 67
William John Allen died 14th Dec 1936 age 23
Celia
P.S.The local library has M.I's. compiled by various F.H.S in Wirral.Taken from Churchyards.So i might pop in on Saturday and have a look.That will eliminate where Everelda isn't buried
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Hello Graham
The three Southcomb's are in the same grave on plot 4G grave number 5
Celia
JacquieChecked Landican again,no find :( I spoke to a council worker and asked him if a person was cremated would they have a burial record.They were not sure but said that Landican have a cremation records book.So thats something to look into.
Celia
Lorrie
There are a lots of people who lived and died in Birkenhead that are buried in Rake lane.I checked Rake lane no carson burials for that year at all.There lots more cems to check she will turn up somewhere sometime :D
Celia
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Hello Celia,
Thank you very much for the Southcomb information. When we visit Rake Lane cemetery, will it be open? Are we able to look around & find Plot G grave number 4 quite easily or do we need to contact the superintendant beforehand?
Thanks again for doing the leg work - it is much appreciated.
Regards,
Graham
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Hello Graham
It plot 4.G Rake lane is never closed.Council wont close the gates like they do in most counties.No staff available only the gardeners.When you visit go in the Main entrance which is Rake Lane.You are lucky you wont have far to go,when you go in the main gate.Turn right follow the path round the corner and its the third on the left.(from the path)On Page 5 i have a map,click the print on the picture to print the map.
Celia
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Thanks again, Celia, for the details.
Best wishes,
Graham
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Hello Lorrie
I had to go to the library again today to see if i could finish any bits off for various people.I was looking through some Churchyard M.I'S.I found a book for Parish Church of Holy Trinity (Hoylake) do you think any of your Aldreds could be there because i found three graves different sections more than 8 people in the graves. Deaths range from 1882 to 1972.
Celia
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Celia,
As far as I am aware none of my Aldreds were in Hoylake.
They came from Lancashire and lived in Birkenhead. They were all girls born to this particular line and so changed their names upon marriage.
The Aldreds I am looking for are Thomas and his wife Roseanna although I have reason to believe Thomas was killed in WW1. Rose I know died in Birkenhead. Prior to Thomas though they are all in Lancashire unless any siblings of his settled but am still researching that bit.
Regards
Lorrie
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So you are looking for Aldreds in Lancashire and Cheshire
right. Did you know there are three Aldreds in the area of wirral (which of course includes Birkenhead)
Celia
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Celia,
Thanks for that, no I didnt know that.
If you find any please let me have details to keep incase I find any links.
Cheers
Lorrie
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Hi Lorrie
already have them just wanted to let you know.They could be related to the Aldred Gravestone i found.Will have to send the info by P.M otherwise i might get into trouble for invading privacy ;D
Celia
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Heaven forbid Celia!!! :o
Cant have that.... no problem.
When you have a minute.
Regards
shhhh you know who!!! 8)
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Hi
I must share something amazing that i found yesterday that i wasn't looking for. Having visited the library and done what i went to do quicker than expected.I decided to look at the reference books ( all copied my hand) of the B.M.D.entered in the Birkenhead & Wallasey News. For Various years,never took note of them,but i think 50,60,70,
So I used the information one of you gave me. The book just gives a surname and the D/M.Y of the paper the death appeared in.So i used the surename to check it out,and asked for that film.I have never looked at newpapers on film before.It wasn't the man, i then decided to brows the front page.That is when i saw an article,a report on the death of a schoolboy in the 50's it wasn't a natural death so it was the newpapers court inquest report. How/why he died and a whole lot more.The Surename belongs to a man i have been helping for the last 6 months. I recognized immediately one of the names mentioned. I wasn't sure where i had seen the boys name though.At home i went through my emails and found that the boy.Is the one mentioned on the gravestone that myself and another lady found in Rake lane.The stone gave no indication of the boys relationship to the others. Due to my finding it is now known that the boy was the brother of the man i am helping. The boy had a tragic accidental death. I find it amazing i had that paper for that year and day.I was glad to find it,but sad i have to report such a sad thing.I may start doing these lookups now the winter is coming,but don't all rush at once ;D An obituary can tell you some things you might not know.It might be an article or two lines.
Celia
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Hi Celia :)
I think you must have been a medium in a previous life, you do seem to have the knack of dropping on to things, keep up the good work, how I wish my ancesters were from your neck of the woods, I could keep you busy for years.
well done :)
peterbennett
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No i was a witch ;D
They couldn't get rid of me then and they cant get rid of me now.I am a bit bit weird though have been forever.Even my grown up family think i am odd.But whatever/whoever never fails to get me results.Maybe you should try homing in on my thought s that works sometimes ;D ;D ;D not that i believe in that stuff,BUT
Celia
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Toad
In regard to your Fishwicks they shouldn't be a problem to find,Can you tell me were they C.O.E or Catholic. ??? I walked round plots 5g & c the other day the plots i thought they were on. Going by the no 5 letter that you had copied.While the sun was out (did you see it ;D) but didnt find them.There are a lot of spaces though so maybe they have fallen.I did get the feeling i was on the wrong place though.I will do i lookup during the week for you and check it out
Celia
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I have decided that as i now do more lookups for St Hilary For C.M.& B I will put these earlier burials on here as a matter of interest.
1708. Soldier perished in the cold Feb 16th
" Geo Pollard of Upton 8ber 27 was killed by the fall of his house at Leasow.
1728. Mary wife of thomas Richardson of Liscard(being drowned in the pool) That means she drowned in liverpool.It is still called the pool today.
1744. John Herbert,Thomas Evans, and John Huson Welcmen not sure if this is a surname or it means they were welsmen. Shipwreck starved to death in Wallasey sandhills
1755. Danial Coalman from off board.The Chesterfield ag 8th.
1762.William Evens drowned endeavoring to escape from a cutter lying at ye Black rock.
1769. Joseph philips a seafaring man who drowned (July 14th
1770. A Corporal of ye regiment drowned (DEC 13th
1773 Two drowned men unknown
1777. William Bellies Boatman, insane
1789 A Male corps marked on ye arm.R.R. (April 15th.
1799. William Sharp a drowned man (Nov 18th)
1812. John Tate,found drowned in the Mersey in the township of Seacome.(A native of Down Ireland)
" A Sergent and private, unknown found drowned (April 30th
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Hi Celia ,
Thanks for that, I do sometimes wonder if a lot of these old graves ever had headstones or as you say they have fallen over the years. I must admit last time I went to Rake Lane some of the graves were in quite a sorry state :'(. You were lucky finding the sun out on the day you went. It is just a pity I have to wait for hubby to be free to take me up there, once upon a time 1 bus would take me from here all the way up to Mount Road, now with all this progress I would have to catch 2 and have a fair old wait :(. Not good for the old bones as they have been recently ;D.
I don't know if it is of any help but I have a couple of other Fishwicks that I could read the grave numbers of, those are : George Fishwick DOB 1831 DOD 14/3/11 Last address Burnaby Street Grave no 13g 385 and Hannah Fishwick DOB 1840 DOD 15/5/1906 Last address Back Way Egremont Grave no ? g170.
It does seem like the grave numbers from the ones I gave you may well be in an older? part of the cemetery some of the oddments I have also say Yellow..... as you know more about the place than most maybe you will have a better idea as to were they may be. By the way as far as I know they would have all been C.O.E.
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Hi Toad
Fink you have your plot and grave numbers mixed up ;D
the gave number is 385 which is on Plot 13G which is a few plots away.see page 2 i think? The number are a handy thing to have.Unfortunately most of the numbers carved in the stones are usually right at the bottom.so are buried in the ground.Depending on who the stonemason was.Some are on the side half way up.I don't know if i have mentioned it before but the reason they are numbered is that they are laid in order.So if you grave is number 385 the next burial stone is 386.If you cant find the stone you want you just look for the nearest number then follow it along.one row from left to right .the next right to left or vice versa you can then calculate where the stone should be. If you still cant find it, and your on the right plot. Either there never was a stone,it got taken away,or fell over and is overgrown with grass.Take a knitting needle with you ;D. Thats how the cemetery workers find graves. Minus the knitting needle ;D
Now your George Fishwick died on the 14/3/11 ???can i take that to be 1911 ;)
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I had a chance to have a look around the 13G section of Rake Lane today, Eddie was doing a job up that way so we spent a quarter of an hour or so looking for 385 and 170, no sign of the gravestones, just a few patches of grass(see photo)were I think they should have been. Next time I go I may just take that knitting needle ;D. I am beginning to think all my ancestors were so poor they could never afford headstones :'(. Maybe when you get the chance to look up the other Fishwicks you wont find them buried in section 13G ???
It just seems like so many of the graves in Rake Lane are just falling to pieces. I am sure when I used to go there many many years ago with my aunt, the place was not in such a sorry state.
We also took another photo of a grave near the Seaview Road entrance, I noticed it was written in French,it is another one that will dissapear under the grass soon. I thought it was very sad as the first person in it is a little girl born in France who died here when she was only 13 years old.
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Photo of the French Grave, in case someone recognizes the names: Yvonne Le Bras, Augustine and Thomas Hussey Davies.
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Hi Toad
Strangely I have never had reason to go on the plots at what i call the bottom end of Rake Lane(seaview Road entrance)Because all the older burials are at the top end 1800's.In fact after three years of roaming the cemetery i still cant fathom out in what order the burials are apart from the religion.I have only been to landican a couple of times.I noticed there that the burials on the plots,seem to be in years.1940/50 and so on.Rake lane seems to be a mish mash of mixed years on some plots.I once mentioned this to a member of the council staff.They thought that rake lane had been badly planned in the beginning.Thats why a plot number is so important to me and i have to look it up given the year of death.Without one its hopless ??? If someone tells me a person died in 1952 but doest have a plot number.I cant be lazy,and think that will save me a trip to Birkenhead. Most of the 1950/60 are on plot whatever. They arnt,done it a few times and still had to go to B/H ;D As to the state of the cemetery.You might be interested to know i took photo's of the top end a couple of weeks ago.Sent them to a councilor,haven had a reply yet.Must look round the bottom end one fine day.
Celia
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Found this stone a few weeks ago solid as a rock and a very pretty cushion.indestructible it belongs to a Greatorex family, burials in the 1800.There is still a Greatorex family in the area.I wonder if they know its there?
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Hi
I spent a couple of hours in the library today Revising ;D
in this case Obbituaries in the newspaper that are on film.I now have the information.
Deaths as they appear in the personel colume.The index only gives the surname,date/day/month year of the paper the orbit was in.so i will need to know the date of death.just in case 10 jones died in the same month.I then have to ask for the film with that newspaper on it.
Quote; The deaths index also includes."Killed an Action" "Died of Wounds" "Roll of Honour"Announcements.
Death index to the Wallasey News 1899-1950
" " 1951-1990
Wallasey Choronicals 1899-1956
Now while i was revising i used some names to play with and i found for maybe Lorrie.127 orbit Aldred 1/5/1965
Toad. Fishwick 11/7/1908 & 24/10/1908. 18/12/1937
Marriage Fishwick. 9/4/1921
H.B.Hughs(Hilary). Gascoyne orbit 4/5/1907. 8/5/1907
Celia
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Hi Celia, it is Jacquie again. Is there an Edmund Eddowes in the Wallasey news, 1962/63?
If you happen to be looking again at the newspapers, would appreciate you keeping his name in mind.
Thanks Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie
Thats all i can do is to keep an eye open.Un-found requests always stay in my mind.I told you didn't i ?that i looked at my first film last week.I was getting acquainted with the reference book that gives tha dates as said above.I did see an Eddowes reference for an orbit in 1965 in the book.so got the right film for the date given but it wasn't Edmund.I had meant to copy it out just in case.Unfortunately i was so excited with an unexpected find in the same paper ,i forgot ::) It is a bit of a drawback with first names not being given.Beacause if you don't know the year a person died.it means you would have to look up every Eddowes that did.So lets hope not to many did in the years you have. Next time i go to the library i will go through the book,and see if i can find any.If there isn't any.that means no one put the orbit in.wont take long to find that out.
Celia
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Hi Toad
Thanks to your Hanna Fishwick burial of 1906,(much to the amazement of the Archivist i might add ;D)solve the mystery of that strange plot number you told me about.The one i gave you was right ,
It is strange isn't it? looks like a rounded ,on the bottom W but with the stick crossed like a t then a break and a crossed on the next two.Never seen anything like it before only on Startrek ;D Having looked on the C.O.E burials Film and not finding the first two.I decided i wouldn't find the others as they seem to be one family,that died in the 1890's.I then switched to the Non-Con film where i found them, and the odd number. After mulling over it, i asked the archivist if she knew what it was supposed to be.She didn't and had been asked before,she had also tried to find out with no luck. I found Thomas,Hugh, James & Hanna.Now the first three had the same odd letter.Obviously transcribed by the same hand.One of those was in grave 170. Now i came to Hanna she was transcribed by a different hand.So that said she was on plot 13G in Grave 170.I checked my notes to find i hadn't put the grave number on two of them. went back and found all four are in the same grave 170 on plot 13G.Told the archivist i had translated it.Think was pleased ;D
1893.buried October 14th Thomas Fishwick age 30. Fireman 0f 48, Caroline Terrace, Union St. MoB 3rd class grave no 170. Plot 13G
1895.W.B.May 1st Hugh Fishwick age 56, Caroline Terrace Egremont.
1898. May 28th James Fishwick age 24. 45 Union St Egremont
1906. W.b June 15th age 56. Hanna Fishwick,3,Back King st Egremont.
1911. D.B March 14th George Fishwick age 80,38 Barnaby St M.o.B. sub 4 class plot 13g Forgot to put the grave number on.its 385. you can only have 4 burials in one grave
Celia
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If anyone would like to know if an orbit, was placed in the newspaper by family.Please let me know by next Tuesday Evening 11th October
Celia
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Many thanks for that Celia at least I wasn't going daft when I wrote those weird letters ;D I remember taking the notes and copying them as closely as possible and you have just described what they looked like perfectly! Perhaps that is were the makers of Startrek got the Klingon language from ;). At least it has solved a puzzle. After stomping around Rake Lane the other day,as I said there does not seem to be any sign of the grave were I would think it should be, never mind I have a nice photo of a patch of grass :'(. I wonder if our ancestors realized that when they paid out for the headstones and plots they would just be left to dissapear and be vandalized.
By the way Celia the things you found in the Wallasey News:
Fishwick 11/7/1908 & 24/10/1908. 18/12/1937
Marriage Fishwick. 9/4/1921
are these just lines with who died/married and dates or would there be likely to be more info ?
One of these days I will get up to the library to help you, just a pity I don't drive :'(
Thanks Pat
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Hi Pat
The orbits will probably be the same as todays Wallasey News. Don't know what i will find till i look on the film. As with today it depends how much money they had.The more money you can afford the more space you get. I have an orbit from the 50's of a G.Uncle in Stafford.It practically told me his life story.Plus every single person that attended the funeral.and who sent all the flowers. Mind you he was well known ;) In the case of a marriage that is well worth looking up as well.because it tells you the parents of the bride and bits and pieces. If your lucky there might be a photo,but i dont think they would print out to well.Hope i dont get anymore suprise finds like i did last week. Nearly fell off me chair ;D
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Hi again Celia,
If you have chance then can you have a look to see what it says about those Fishwicks? Really must send you a box of choccys for all this work you are doing ;) What was the reason you nearly fell off your chair? Have I missed something the few days I was away? ;D. I am finding more and more that I am not searching futher back with my tree most of the time but want to know how and were these ancestors lived :) To think I hated history in school :-[
Pat
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Hi Celia,
You may have found an Aldred reference?
Would love details if you have them. I still have not found Rose's grave although may have found a possible WW1 death for her husband Thomas.
Appreciate your time in helping locate my family.
Regards
Lorrie
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Hi Toad
Deaths as they appear in the personnel column
are these just lines with who died/married and dates or would there be likely to be more info ?
Yes you are right the reference is only to the Personnel column so that all you get. Articles are not given but if you know when a person died there is a possibility there might be a Death and funeral announcement,an article.Like this one,part of, From the wallasey news sat April 9th 1921.
Death of Mrs Peers.We Regret to report the death of Mrs Margaret Peers,Widow of the late Mr George peers,which occurred at "Briar Nook" Leasow Road Wallasey on Thursday evening March 31st,the same day as her nephew,Mr Henry Joynson,age 73 years.The internment took place on Monday at St Hilary (to long to type all)
I just had to copy this one out because of the description,if i close my eyes i can see it ;D A Marriage again part of
Bladon and Thompson.Pretty Spring wedding.
A very pretty spring wedding was celebrated at Manor road Wesleyon Church on Saterday last. When Mr C.A Bladon,eldest son of Mr & Mrs I.E Bladon,of 17 Oxton Road,was married to Miss Ada Thompson,Youngest daughter of Mr & Mrs J Thompson,of 23 Upper Rice lane Wallasey.The bride charmingly dressed in in silver net,trimmed with frills of silk net,silver ribbon,beads, and orange blossom.With veil,shoes and stockings to match,and carrying a sheath of lilies,was given away by her father.The two bridesmaids,sisters of the bride,wore lemon crepe de chine and lavender Georgette dresses,with hats to match,lemon shoes and stockings.The bouquets being of lemon and lavender Tulips.
It then goes on to say what everyone else wore .hard to read though because of lines through the paper.
Celia
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Griffith grave in Rake Lane
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Hello Celia.
Next time you are in Rake Lane Cemetary could you please look and see if you can spot the grave of my Grandma Florence Griffith? She died at Victoria Central Dec 1950 and was living at Castle Rd at the time. Her husband may be buried with her ---his name was Joseph Henry Griffith and he died at St Cath's in B/H Jan 1960. I think they were Presbyterian or C of E.
I know you are run off your feet, and there is no urgency about this.
Thanks very much.
Ann.
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Hello Ann
it isn't possible to walk round Rake lane and look for a grave you can only that in a churchyard ;D.Rake Lane has over 40 plots and thousands of headstones.Thats why i have to do lookups so i can find the plot. Are these people defiantly buried in this cemetery.If so i will be able to find them on film because you have given me information. If you are not sure i will wait till i have to visit the Archives on another matter.Then check on it while i am there.
Celia
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Hi Lorrie
I will look up the reference to he Aldred orbit (see previous page) on the film next week.Getting results wont be as fast as looking in books.Because the print was very small in those years, also parts of the paper are faded,so a bit of a strain on the old eyes ;D As Mentioned above the reference is only for the entries in the personnel column.Wont know if they connect till i look,They don't include Articles again as said but if a date is known for a D i might find a article.The orbit as you can see is for 1965.Might this be related to you in anyway?
Celia
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Hi Lorrie
I will look up the reference to he Aldred orbit (see previous page) on the film next week.Getting results wont be as fast as looking in books.Because the print was very small in those years, also parts of the paper are faded,so a bit of a strain on the old eyes ;D As Mentioned above the reference is only for the entries in the personnel column.Wont know if they connect till i look,They don't include Articles again as said but if a date is known for a M.or D i might find a article.The orbit as you can see is for 1965.Might this be related to you in anyway?
Celia
To be honest I am not sure Celia. If not too much trouble I will have the details to keep in my file...just incase.
Regards
Lorrie
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Thanks for the Gascoyne obit. How could I find out if it's my Gascoynes ?
Also do you think my Grandfather's obit. would be there . He was a Master Mariner (pilot ) who died in 1945. His name was Ernest Samuel Davies , and he lived at 167 Mount Pleasant Road Wallasey.
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Hi Hilary
What i sent you was a Monumental inscription taken from the gravestone in Rake Lane.That is different from an obituary which is an announcement of a death in a newspaper.As to how you can find out if the Gascoynes are yours are not.Well you just have keep on with your tree for the next few years in case they are ;D I haven't got a M.I for
E.S Davies. I dought very much if i would find an orbit in the newpaper for that year.Because some papers were not printed in the war years.
Celia
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Look up personel columes orbits
Edmund Eddowes death 1961> NO
Did find a ref to the only Eddowes so far that was.9.3.1918.
Fishwick for 18.12.1937 i could not find,but three pages missing ::)
Carson June 1931 No
Davies 1945 No
Rose Aldred 1960 No.
Celia
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Hello Jacquie
as you can see Edmund still hasn't turned up, Eddowes is an uncommon name.During my research through many books and films of various subjects .I have not come across more than 5/6 Eddowes.Those have been in the postal directories for 1961 Birkenhead, Wallasey.So i have come to the conclusion that these few Eddowes in both districts are related. I paid two visits to the library today,and found the orbit i told you about in 1918.Might be to far back for you to connect at the moment but it might come in later.The side edge of the orbit didn't make onto the film it was also hard to read ;D it might make more sense to you than me.
Orbit from Wallasey News 9.3.1918
Eddowes Marion 2nd at 5,Oakdale Road,Secombe,George A Eddowes Beloved husband of Ann Eddowes age 50. Late of the cleansing department,Wallasey corporation.Was interned at Rake Lane on Wednesday ?
As the paper comes out on Saturdays it was probably the Wednesday before.They worked faster then ;D
Celia M.C
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Ann Re Griffith
Are these people defiantly buried in this cemetery.If so i will be able to find them on film because you have given me information. If you are not sure i will wait till i have to visit the Archives on another matter.Then check on it while i am there
Celia.
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I would really appreciate you looking for Leonard K. Woods. He was B.1925 and died 1936. I think his address at the time was St Georges Park in New Brighton. I know he was buried with his Father, Leonard Garner Woods (my Grandfather) but don't know the date of his death, probably early 1950's. They weren't Catholics and my own Fathers description of bottom left hand corner of Rake Lane wasn't much help to me and he didn't say from which gate!! Thanks for any help you can give, it's a vast cemetary with little to go on :D
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Hello Bubblejack
I will look for your Leonard later in the week, loved your dads description ;D but i would at a guess, say he meant seaview road entrance.Because the top end as i call it.Rake lane is mostly Catholic and doesn't have a "bottom left hand corner" but we will see :)
Celia
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Kitch/Ann
I am presuming you are on holiday as you haven't replied yet.
went out this morning and came back with a new information regarding burials in Rake lane.That i never knew,nobody tells me anything ;D.so i am now able to do a look up for rake lane much faster and more often.So did some while i was out. Looked in Rake lane.
Date Buried 21st Dec 1950 age 78. Florence Griffith.27, Castle Road, N.B
M.O.B 2ndsub Plot 10c. (didn't do the the 1960 one will do that later)
Celia
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Hi Bubblejack
I was also able to do yours,but a bit of a mystery here. There is no record of a burial in Rake Lane for Leonard K Woods 1936.I looked right through that year.There were other woods but no Leonard.I also looked for Leonard Garner Woods 1950.no record of burial found. I did find in the year 1936.
Buried 6th April 1936. age 11 years Leonard Ruth Woods. New Brighton M.O.B 2nd class Plot 14c
are you sure of the death year?If you have the right year.I will look on the noncon film.I only looked at C.O.E.I might find them on there.
Celia
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Hi Celia what a fast worker you are.I know that Leonard died on March 29th 1936 and was buried on April 1st (I have my Dad's diaries) I had the K from 1837 and nowhere else so maybe incorrect. As for Leonard Garner He died after 1949 and before 1955 and I was told that they were in the same grave. Thank you so much for looking for me.
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By the way Celia what does MOB 2nd class or COH stand for ??? Can't work out the chances of 2 Leonard Woods being buried within 5 days of each other so may just be the right one after all. Thanks for your hard work
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Hello bubblejack
the M.O.B stands for Mode of Burial C.O.H should be C.O.E.sorry,that stands for Church of England.I don't understand your meaning of two Leonard woods being buried within 5 days of each other ???. I did look up the two years you asked me to. 1936 and 1950 (probably ;D)
Your burials were not on the C.O.E film as said.You know they are there in the cem. So i will check the Non conformist on Thursday. I have never heard of Ruth as a middle name for a man before,its very unusual.
Celia
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I meant that if my Leonard Woods was buried on April 1st aged 11 it would be a very long shot that another Leonard Woods was buried on the 6th also aged 11. But I presume stranger things have happened as I'm learning quickly with family trees!!! :D
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I will check the date again for the first Leonard,i remember having to make out what the date was because it was just a sqwiggle,and there were two sqwiggles ;D. so if you have the date in a diary( which you didnt give me) its right and mine is wrong.The writing is terrble sometimes :) .I will check on it anyway. You didnt give me the between dates for the other Leonard before.So will do that again as well.
Celia
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Thanks Celia. Only found the burial date out when I climbed into the loft to dig out the diaries. My Dad was excellent at naming the films he'd seen throughout the war ( and there were a lot) but not much good at recording family details!!!
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Well i spent a good hour and a half looking from January 1949 to Decmeber 1955 but i didnt find the burial For Leonard Garner Woods i am afraid.I did recheck the May burial so you were correct. it was the first sorry :-[
Celia
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Thanks so much for looking. I'm just grateful you found one of them so it gives me a place to look now.
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Hello Celia
I have just come accross your topic and wondered if you could help me.
I have a Margaret Mcpherson who was born 27th August at Errol in Perth Scotland. She was a Ross before marriage. She was married to Alexander Mcphersonalso born in Perth.
I am looking for her burial place and wondered if she might be in one of your cemeteries.
She died 9th August 1885 at Breck Road, Poulton-cum-Seacombe. Cause of death was Bronchitis.
Can you find time in your busy schedule to see if she is in Rakes Lane etc.
Thanks very much
Colinsmac
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Thanks for all you hard work, Celia. It is very much appreciated. Finally found an address for them and it was 5 Onslow Rd New Brighton. It's obviously the right plot so I think it's time for a walk round the cemetary. Hopefully the headstone is still standing and also my Grandfathers dates. Looking at the map it's also a lot nearer to the "bottom left hand corner" description. I'll let you know if I find it.
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Burial Record of Wirral Municipal Cemeteries (Rake Lane)
Film 5. Register of Burials, Roman Catholic 1884-1960
Film 6. Non-conformist or general 1883-1959
Film 7. Non –conformist or general 1936-1959 continued from film 6
Church of England 1883-1933
Film 8. Church of England 1920-1953
Film 9. Church of England 1943-1953 Continued from film 8
1955-1973
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Hello Colinsmac
Glad to help, Rake lane had only been open a couple of years when your burial took place.So i think its the most likely place to find it as wirral didn't have many church yards.The biggest being St Hilary.Plus Rake lane and Flaybrick were the only cemeteries open at the time. Just one question if you know it. Was the person catholic, or not?
will do you lookup next week.
Celia
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Hi Bubblejack
glad you found the right road,i was looking for one with a T in the middle because the L was crossed at the top ;)
dont forget your wellies ;D
Celia
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Just to let you know that I found the plot number but unfortunately no headstone so no further on with Leonard Garner but at least I can now stop looking for the plot. Thanks again, Celia you've been a great help
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Did you find where the head stone should have been, by following the grave numbers along.Strange its not there as it wasn't old, There are a lot of headstones that fell in the past.Maybe during a winter when the men didn't cut the grass.They then got overgrown with Grass.I know of a plot that is bare apart from a couple of very old headstones.For curiosity one day i prodded the ground with my pen and hit hard surfice.Took some turf up and found a black marble headstone.It looked like the day it was made because it had been protected from the elements (and Vandals),there are hundreds more like that.
Celia
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yes we followed the numbers. Found 252 but either side were just dips in the ground so said hello (luckily no one answered!) No sign of a headstone but thanks for the tip
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Hi Sandy,It would be appreciated if you would put your request on the this topic and not a P.M I cannot see what i am answearing when its on a P.M as i have mentioned before ;)
Hi Celia hope you are well, have found i think the date of George Windsor
death i think which is April 1984 he is buried in plot 20c, is it possible
now for you actually find the grave no and who else is in there, thank you
sandy
In regard to the to the burial cant understand how you know a burial is in plot 20c for 1984. The burial index only goes to 1961 in some cases (on Film).Even if you have a record of the burial.There is nothing to tell you who else is buried in the same grave.The only way that could happen is if all the deaths were on the same day and were all buried on the same day.
Celia
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Hi Sandy
when i said the records only go to up to 1961 i had meant to say catholic and non conformiast.C.O.H does go up to 1973.Thats the latest date.
Celia
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Hi Celia
Ref your reply No. 250.
You asked for the Religion of Margaret McPherson. I do not think the family were R.C. They were Scottish and most of the family were Church of Scotland or Presbyterian.
Thanks for the offer of the look up
Regards
Colinsmac
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Thank you Colinsmac
that will be a great help to me,because the films go by religion.C.O.E. R.C. & nonconformist & general.So i have to look at a few films according to the year.If a religion is not known.So if your burial is, in Rake lane it will come under general.
Celia
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If anyone else needs a burial lookup for rake lane please let me know by friday.
Celia
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This is an example of what i meant when i said it was not possible to find others in a grave unless they all died on the same day and were buried on the same day.Never actually seen one till i found this today.
1888
Buried Jan 8th Maria Margaret C.Boyd aged 28 days
Jan 9th Albert Sutton Boyd age 5
Jan 10th Robert Harold Boyd age age 22 months
All of Palatine Road in Seacombe
How did that happen? how sad :(
Since i posted this i have found you can find people in the same grave,I didnt know that then though ;D
Edited today 7th June 2006
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Colinsmac
Found your Margaret in the non conformist as thought
I would have got this up this morning but my I.P's been down most of the day
1885
Date buried August 12th. Margaret Ross McPherson age 55 (scribbled on a line not normally done it said "wife of Alexander McPherson")
abode Breck Road Poulton Wallasey.M.O.D 3rd class plot 3G Grave 179.
Because i was able to find that so soon I didn't want to go back home.Because i had booked the machine for longer so i thought i would continue on to see if there were anymore McPhersons i found
1890
Buried August 20th Alexander McPherson age 70 years
I could not read the road name the entries in the original book go across two page so on these pages the address go into the spine.
Abode 97 Cleolmond?? the parish i could only see dnes that could be widnes. Alexander is in the same grave as Margaret grave 179
Celia
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Hi Celia
Many many thanks for your look up, you are a star.
Do you know what M.O.D. 3rd class means?
The address you couldn't quite read is 97 Cholmondeley Street, Widnes. This was the address of Alexander's son-in-law William Chettoe.
Once again many thanks this has completed one more piece of information for our family tree which now contains over 2000 names.
Regards
Colin Macpherson :-*
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Oh Dear,i did it again,put M.O.D instead of Of M.O.B which stands for Mode of burial.I don't really know what that means.I never ever got round to finding out because no one has asked me that so far.As to the class, i presume it means what it says.If its 1st class the burial has a headstone so the cost of the burial would include the headstone. Money was provided to the cemetery for looking after the grave.Which they do on private plots.Think there is one of my photo's on here of a private plot.
2nd normal burial on the C.O.E or Catholic only.Including A Headstone
3rd I think is burials on non of the above,so buried on a none conformist plot.Which means a plot for mixed religions
It does not mean they were poor and didn't have a head stone.It just means that Church of Ireland/Scotland or any other religion cant be buried on C.O.E.or catholic plots. They couldn't really have a plot for every religion as there wouldn't have the room. Thats just my opinion corrections welcome ;D
Celia
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Hi Colin
I was wondering if you knew if you might have any other McPherson's that might be in rake lane or elswhere. The reason i ask is because i was going through the reference book for B.M &.D in the personnel column of the Wallasey News & Chronicles Yesterday. I noticed there were about five McPherson's mentioned i didn't look at the years,just thought i would let you know.
Celia
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Hello Ann
it isn't possible to walk round Rake lane and look for a grave you can only that in a churchyard ;D.Rake Lane has over 40 plots and thousands of headstones.Thats why i have to do lookups so i can find the plot. Are these people defiantly buried in this cemetery.If so i will be able to find them on film because you have given me information. If you are not sure i will wait till i have to visit the Archives on another matter.Then check on it while i am there.
Hi Celia. Yes---Florence Griffith is definately buried there but not sure about her husband. Many thanks. Ann.
Celia
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Hi Celia. I know you did a lot of hard work for me but I have finally found the death for Leonard Garner Woods on 1837 it was April,May,June 1953. I know you did a search of the dates I sent you but if you get a chance could you possibly double check within these dates for me. He was probably in the grave without a stone that you found for the son Leonard. Thanks so much.
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Hello Ann
You haven't been keeping up with me have you ;D ;D
I found your Florence middle of last month.Because i didn't get any responce/replies i didn't do the 1960 lookup.However now you are back i will do that next week.
Celia
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Hello again bubblejack
Will look for that during next week for you.
Celia
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Celia---I am so sorry. Rootschat usually send an email when I have a message but have had none.I thought time was going on a bit so decided to look this morning and lo and behold I found your message. I shall look back in the pages of rootschat. Thanks once again and sorry.
Ann.
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Found your message thanks Celia. What does 2nd sub mean? Does it imply that she is the second person in the grave?
Many thanks once again.
Ann.
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Hi Bubblejack
You know i looked on the the non conformist and found Leonard Ruth Woods,but not The Garner woods.You had asked me to check the latter again.So thats what i was going to do to keep you happy ;D"Oh Ye of little Faith" ;D even though i knew it wasn't there because i doubled checked. Before i did though i had to use the C.O.E film 1943-73 for Ann. For some reason and because the writing was so nice i decided to start at 1950 to see if any names where there i had never found.That is lots ;) Look what jumped out
1953 C.O.E
Buried 15th April Leonard Garner Woods age 67
Abode 16,Sandymount Drive New Brighton Parish All Saints Plot 19c Grave 253
So not only are they not in the same grave,they are on different plots under different religions.So are on different films. Let me know if your not happy with that and i will re-check it for you no prob ;)
Celia
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Hi Ann
Buried 8th January 1960 Joseph Henry Griffith age 77 years
37,Castle Road,New Brighton. Parish All Saints Plot 10c G.146
Celia
P.S " 2nd sub is just the class you can only find one burial at a time
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Is someone able to look up the burial record/parish record of my GGrandad Thomas Lloyd. I believe he was buried in Flaybrick. His death 19 October 1922, age 49,born 1873 railway traffic canvasser. Church of England. His wife Helena. Lived 13 Beech Road Tranmere. I heard that he may be buried alongside?? 2 other relatives? Am thinking maybe Helena but not sure. The other burial/parish record also needed is my GGGrandad Thomas Lloyd (the above's father) Think his death age 64 September quarter 1907 Birkenhead (born 1843 Bagillt)
Greatly appreciated as l live in Canada. Its -10c at the moment!!
Kira
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Celia---thank you very much indeed. I always wondered where Joseph was buried, in fact I had a feeling that he might have been cremated and his ashes scattered on the Garden of Rememberance at Landican.
Now I know!
Thanks once again.
Ann.
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Landican Cemetery Opened 1934
Plymyard Cemetery Opened 1930
Frankby Cemetery Opened 1940
Wallasey Cemetery, Rake Lane. Opened 1883
Heswall Opened 1960
Flaybrick Memorial Gardens (formerly Flaybrick Cemetery) 1864
Hi Ann i thought you might to know this,if you donr already
I can do lookups for all the cemeteries but i cant visit them they are to far for me to go,but they are useful for others because when/if i find them.They know where to go.
in regard to cremations,if a family already have a grave in rake lane.Maybe the grave is full or for other reasons.A member will be cremated and the ashes be scattered on the family grave.Not in Landican.If this happens it is counted as a burial,i have seen lots on the burial index. It is entered in the same way as a burial except it says.Cremated remain then gives the plot number as per usual.
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Hi Kira
would you like to look at my topic on the Cheshire board Celia's Rake Lane,it covers all cemeteries i do lookups on.
If you want a lookup.Copy and paste your request onto it.Saves typing it all out again ;D I can only visit rake lane as the others are to far.If you want photos you might find someone who lives nearer than i do,but cant do the lookups. so we work together,getting more organized now ;D
Celia
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Southcomb Memorial Rakes Lane
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Hello Celia,
Thanks to your instructions, we found our family's plot very easily & were able to take photos & note the inscription yesterday in sunny Wallasey. We also saw the house they lived in on Trafalgar Avenue.
Thanks again for your help,
Regards,
Graham
Your welcome :D Celia
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Thanks for such quick work, Celia. Do you ever get time for shopping??? I'm impressed that you have managed to find both for me and in different sections. So the headless grave I found was for my Grandfather and his son Leonard was buried in a different plot. Looks like a walk around 14c even if it's to convince myself I am related to someone called Ruth!!! Hope this one has a stone, I wil let you know and thanks for your hard work it is very much appreciated.
Gaynor
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Hi Celia and Kira
I will keep a lookout if you find this grave Celia and if I can, will try and get a photo for Kira. That is IF it ever stops raining >:( here. So weather permitting and if Celia finds the plot I will try and get the photo but it may take a while Kira.
Please bear in mind though as I have found out with the ones Celia has found for me, a lot of graves either did not have headstones or have been left to fall into disrepair and are now most likely buried. Also parts of some of our cemetery's have been badly vandalized with stones being broken and tipped over,but we will keep our fingers crossed you may have something to get a photo of ;)
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Thank you Celia and Toad!! Really appreciated. I will do the paste thing on Chesire Celia..take care...Kira
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Read that again bubblejack its 19c not 14
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The first grave that I went to look at was the plot 19c grave 253 that didn't have the headstone and which we presumed was Leonard Ruth. You have now found that Leonard Garner is in that plot so I presume the first link you ever sent me for plot14c is for Leonard Ruth who died 1936. I discounted that one at first because the date of his burial differs by 5 days from the info I have and I always thought they were both in the same grave but I suppose it could be a transcription error. Confusing all these Leonards! Hope I have understood you properly ::)
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Hi Bubblejack
I can now confirm that your Leonard Ruth Woods & Leonard Garner woods are as you were told in the same grave. (don't ask ;D ;D )On Plot 19c.I was going to have the record printed out for you but didn't have my money with me. Now can you tell me how far are you with your family tree?Where is your grandmother buried? were all your family born in wirral? The reason i am asking is because I worked out when Leonard G Woods was born so <1887>
I had a look on the Free B.M.D found nothing at all.I then looked at the U.K.B.M.D which i mostly use myself, i found.
Leo Woods B1887 Dukinfield sub dis Hartshead reg at Tameside.records Town Hall King Street Dukinfield Cheshire.
And
Leo Woods B. 1888 Wallasey. Reg in Wirral.
Celia
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Hello Kira
welcombe to RootsChat, I have made enquries about your Thomas Lloyd in Flaybrick. I wasnt able to do a lookup for that cem till next week because i dont have accsess to that film till next week. The Library kindly phoned up another library to as them to send any details by fax. To save me a journy wasnt that kind. I am to call back later to collect the fax with information.If you can verifie the death year of the others i will do those later. I need as much information as possible to save wasted journys in this now winterie weather. (no shelter at the bus stops :( )
Celia P.S. Peter moved your topic into this one
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Thanks for checking again for me Celia, just sad that there is no headstone to check the Ruth!! My Grandmother and the rest of the family were cremated and the Woods line is from Prescot originally. I have gone back quite a long way with everyone from Liverpool but there is no more research to do for my Wallasey lot. I luckily have a few surviving relatives here that have helped with the missing details.
Thanks once again for all your help.
Gaynor
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Celia, you are a sweety !! Don't go out in the bad weather just for me !!!
I really appreciate this (living in Canada) so take your time. Also thank you to Peter for 'moving me over ' to your site. Got busy here and wasn't 'on the ball' !!
Thomas Lloyd death per certificate 19 October 1922 at 13 Beech Road Tranmere age 49 Railway traffic canvasser.He was born 16 November 1872 Birkenhead. His wife Helena nee Fulton born 1880 Birkenhead.She died around mid 1970's. Their daughter l am presuming might be buried with them also named Helena Lloyd born 1915 Birkenhead ,died after 1975 ish. His father also Thomas Lloyd born 1843 Bagillt married Ann Jones born 1841 Holywell in 1866 Birkenhead. It was said that the grave stone is 'near a wall' and that there are 2 or 3 buried together.
Weather suddenly gorgeous, so will send it your way when l have finished with it !!
Warmest Regards, Kira
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Hi Kira
went up o the local library this morning,the fax had arrived,the librarian was very kind doing that,when she found out i wasn't well enough to go to Birkenhead.so its just a one off.
I could only ask for one burial look up to be faxed,but if you relatives are in the same grave,i only need one anyway.
Buried 23rd Thomas Lloyd age 49 years Railway Traffic Canvasser is in a private grave (so should be well looked after) Plot 12 grave 768. I will see if can get the printout on here so you can check it.never done that before,but you have the grave & plot now so thats more important
Celia Hey Kira you just made me an Aristocrat ;D ;D
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Hi Celia and Kira,
First of all congratulations on becoming one of the elite Celia ;D. I hope you are o.k. with you saying you are not well enough to get to Birkenhead, and that its just the awful weather that you are having most problems with. As I have found out to my cost the damp around here and our old bones don't mix :'(.
Well Kira now it looks as if Celia has found your grave I will do my best to see if there is a headstone we can get a photo of for you, give me a while though as I have to get my hubby when he is free to give me a lift up to Flaybrick ::) I am earning brownie points at the moment making him lots of cups of tea ;)
Hope to get back to you soon
Pat
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Congrats Celia and thank you for your and Toad's help. Such sweeties.
I appreciate you and hubby's help in taking a picture Toad. Look forward to the picture and fully understand that it will take time.
Warm fuzzy regards
Kira
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Hi Pat
I had in infection in one eye all week ,so no use for reading films.Its cured itself now.I am going to check on Kira's other burials plus the one i was sent will do that tomorrow or Friday.. I want to see the whole page so i can find out what the 5 & 6 Mean I am not familiar with the cemetery burial records.Also to check the grave number.The print out is a bit faded. So i want to make sure everything is correct before you go round the cem. I tried to copy onto a post,but impossible to see.
Celia
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Thanks Celia, glad your eye is getting better. I was going to try to have a ganders in the cemetery today as I have to go to Birkenhead but it looks like the weather is about to close in again. Possibly better then that I wait for you to check the plot numbers, its a very big cemetery ;D.
I might give the ranger who knows the place a call, he was very helpful when I was on the search for my Creer grave. He has a memory were some of the stones are ;D so if you tell him the grave no he can say its in such and such a row, clever fellow :). here is hoping the weather stays OK and once checked I can get a photo :D
Pat
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The Leftovers from the printout of burials in Flaybrick
October 1922
Buried
The Leftovers from the printout of burials in Flaybrick
October 1922
Buried
18th Jane Woof age 85 years Widow of 89, Linwood Road.
18th Emily Ann Beattie age 53 years. Widow of 34 William St.
18th Charles Baxter. age one day. Son of James. of 16 Henry St.
19th William Ernest Crutchley age 4. Son of AurtherVictor.158 Cathcart Street
19th Joseph Hutton age 77. Labourer, 46 Abbot Street
19th John Ellis Age 9 hours. Son of Wm Thomas, 43 Vulcan Street
20th Thomas Abbott age 52 Heydraulis ? Man. 5 Wellesley Street
20th Richard Davies age 79 Labourer. 94 Oliver St
21st Emily Wiltshire age 56 wife of Reubin, 12 Briasdale Road
23rd Thomas Lloyd age 49 Rly Traffic Canvisser 13 Beech Road Hr Tranmere
I have not added Plots or Grave numbers for a reason
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HI Kira & Pat
I have now found out that Like Rake lane there are no burials on film after 1961 for Flaybrick. The difference is though if you already have a burial record for Flaybrick ,which we now have Plot = section for Flaybrick + grave number you can find out who else is in the grave Brillient.I Found that the burial records Books for each section and each numbered grave.Are on film so i had a go You dont look for names only the grave itself.
Sec 12 Grave 768
First internment
23rd oct 1922 Thomas Lloyd age 49
Second Internment
5th Oct 1955 Be???i Devlin age 42
Third internment
28th Feb 1962 Helena Lloyd age 82
hope these are all yours cos they dont match the dates you gave me. Even though you can't do lookups after 1962 latest, l noticed anyone that is buried after that date.Is entered in the Grave log. So get extra info saw some very recent entries.
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Hello Celia and Toad
Yes, this is my 'lot'. Quite sure that this Devlin is their married daughter. What happened to their other children, will be another hunt!! Wonder why this daughter was buried here. Sorry that a couple of dates off...using a family members senior mind. Opened up another can of worms most likely !!!
Much appreciated Celia and thank you very much indeed!!
Regards Kira (hot today...12c...16c this weekend..yipee)
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Hi Both ;D,
Celia that section 12 c? If ??? my parcel delivery that I waited in for all day today comes early enough (or at all >:( ) tomorrow I will make an attempt to get to Flaybrick as the weather has been so nice even if a bit cold ;D.
Will let you have any photos if I can get em as soon as possible Kira. Glad you are getting warmer weather there it was - 3 here last night first hard frost we have had for ages, did you send your cold wether our way :D
All the best Pat
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Pat its just 12 no c, i have been trying for ages to get the darn map of Flaybrick up.Cant fathom out all the new Fangle Dangle programs on my new Pewter. I have got a new all in one scanner printer and it wont do as its told ;D Will keep trying
Celia Frost ??? what Frost ???
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Hi again Celia,
What you had no frost up there? 7am this morning in the wilds of Moreton it was white out and darn cold :o ;D.
I do have a map of Flaybrick from the leisure services so it will be CE 12 I am looking for is that right? the NC section only goes to 6A and the RC only goes to 7. Hahaha new technology for you, why do they always make everything so complicated ??? I still can't programme the video ;D
Good luck with the new stuff ;)
Pat
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Kira
Do you have A "James Lloyd, Charles William Lloyd,Charles Frederick Lloyd or an Ellen Lloyd. buried 1907,1928, 1932, & 1956.Took the info when i came accross it just in case :D. They are in C.O E. Section a bit further up.
Celia
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As far as l know, No Celia. But thank you anyway.Regards Kira
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Hi Celia.
So you have had an eye infection as well? You are the 4th one I have heard of apart from me. There are some strange bugs going around aren't there?
Is there an online map of Rake lane where I can get an idea where my Florence and Joseph Griffith are buried? Or is there a board at the cemetary?
Cheers
Ann.
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Hi Kitch I have just had a map of Rake Lane out looking for something so I will get it scanned in and if you want to pm me with your e mail address I will mail it to you,
Pat
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Celia, regarding the grave 768, Sec 12...is there an address on the burial records of the second internment Betti Devlin, and third internment Helena Lloyd? Just wondering.
Regards Kira
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Hi Kira went to Flaybrick today to look for your grave plot not good news I am afraid.
I found sec 12 Cof E plot no 754 and 756 with headstones but no sign of 768 were it should have been ??? I must admit it seems as if again a lot of the stones may have fallen and there are a lot of empty spaces were only the graves are left, just indents in the ground. I took a few photos for you of the area the grave should be (some of my family are up there too and all I have for that plot is a nice patch of grass :'( ) There is some vandalism there as well stones like these don't just loose lumps off them like they have >:(.
Anyway sorry I couldn't find any headstones for you,I will try and get hold of the ranger who looks after the cemetery to see if he has any ideas as I found it quite strange that there were graves marked with 12 c in the 130's very near the ones I found in the 700's? I wonder if there are other rows hiding somewere else?
Anyway can always go back and have another look,next time I will go with someone as the Squirrels in the trees were having great fun scaring the living daylights out of me ;D the place is very quiet and every now and then one would come hurtling out of a tree and dash around the graves :o
The first photo shows looking over sec12c from embankment, the second is looking toward were I would think the plot 768 should be about 3 graves past the broken stone but it is very overgrown in parts there too.
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Thank you Pat for the pictures. Nice of you to take the time out of your day.
Pity that vandals find it fun to smash up grave stones. Not something l did in my childhood/teen days.
Warm regards Kira
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Hi Ann
I have a map of Rake lane on this topic,that you can print out.
IT IS ON PAGE 5
Kira
I will have to do a lookup of the burial records to find the addresses of the other two.The information i gave you was from the grave records (different film).Which just tells you who is in the grave.They need records because a grave only has four people in it.The Burial record will give the added information of the address and maybe the occupation if they had one.I will be able to get the second burial info,but not sure about the 1961 burial.I will do that next week along with the 1907 one youy gave me. The other burials i mentioned one was in 1907 sep 28th James Lloyd age 65.
Celia
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Anyone know where i can buy a wide screen monitor
;D ;D ;D Why was a gravestone that should be on section 12c on section 12. If Flaybrick is anthing like Rake Lane,it will have its boggy bits ;D Where the land slopes in Rake Lane it like a bog in the winter.Because the older gravestones where buried a lot deeper than the ones made in the 60 and after.It is the older ones that are still standing some from the early 1900 and before.I saw a much later headstone recently toppled over,I have seen doorsteps bigger than the base it was on.It had just been put on top of the grave. So its Not surprising it fell over
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Hi Celia,
How big do you want the monitor? ;)
The confusion over the number 12 c I put is that in Flaybrick that is section 12 and they are C of E burials. I am pretty sure I was looking in the right place as that was the only bit that went up to 12 ;) according to the map,such a pity the place in parts is such a mess :(
Pat
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My Last lookup till after Christmas for all cemeteries except Rake Lane will be the 2nd of December So if you have any you want doing please let me know.
Celia
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Hi Kira
Found your burial for Bettie Devlin,But this time the grave number is 718a not 768 don't remember seeing the a on the grave record. I do remember most of the 50,s records being very faint. But the burial record was better so thats why pat didn't find it (sorry pat :-[ )
Buried 5th Oct 1955 Bettie Devlin age 42 Occ. Housewife.
Abode 8 Waterpark Close Birkenhead.
don't know if this one will have any connection,I came across it in
1961 buried 11th Feb Mary Elizabeth Devlin 84 Widow
of 15 Heather Brow B/H sec 14 grave 232
I wasn't able to look for the other Helena that died after 1976 the records don't go past that date as far as i can see .
If you can find her date of death,maybe we can go from there at a later date. Do you have an Ellen Lloyd that died in Feb 1956 she is buried in sec 16.
Celia
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Thanks Celia!! Not sure of Ellen Lloyd being mine. It is such a common name in that part of town and one has to make sure the right dates are in order. Will hunt Helena down.I have not followed Devlin yet, but i'll note it when l do the Devlin tree.
You are so sweet in taking the time, along with Pat, to do this for me.
Because of this, l will make a donation to a charity of yours/Pats choice or one of mine, Animal Rescue Foundation in Calgary...where l received my German Shepherd cross who was dumped on a highway at one day old. To this day, she has the most beautiful sole. Sings opera too in her own key!!
Warm regards
Kira
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Hi Celia and Kira,
Don't worry about it being the wrong grave no Celia, when the weather is better I will try and get a chance to have a look see if there is anything on plot 718 was it? What name should be on the stone if there is one? Got paper everywere here and as usuall can't find the one I wrote the names on ;D.
That is a nice thought Kira, and yes I think the animal rescue places need all the help they can get, if you go to the pets pictures on Roots (I think it is in the common room?) you will see a photo of our hound 2p who funnily enough sings opera in her own way too :D.
Must dash now still trying to find places to hide the Christmas pressys we have bought this week ;) its worse now trying to hide them from our 20 year old son than it was when we had all three kids at home when they were little ::)
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Pat did you get the P.m yet i sent last week about The Bohannan lady i found in seacombe. Not the date you were looking for but thought it might be of interest,was it?
Celia
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Hi Celia yes thanks I did get it, sorry I meant to reply but I don't know were this week went :(. I keep finding odds and ends of Bohannans but still cant seem to find the ones I am looking for ???. There was a family of them living in Birkenhead in the 1881 census. I really do think that the one I am looking for (James) was possibly one of that family and perhaps the lady you found was too. The name was just not that common as some I have seen.I have a few Birth certs to send off for so one day I may unravel the great Bohannan family mystery ;D
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Burials Flaybrick
1950
buried 23rd Jan Edward Alfred Male age 58. Laborer.Abode 10 Hollybank Road B/Head Private. Sec 11 Grave no. 182
Claimed :D
1950
Buried 31st March Patrick Keogh age 76.Occ: Laborer
Abode 32 Oliver Street B/Head Sec 17 Grave 595.
Claimed
1949
Buried 6th Dec. Annie Ellige age 85 Widow
Abode 52 Milner St B/Head Sec 7g Grave 182
1956
Buried 25th Feb Ellen Lloyd age 81 Widow
Abode 72 Hulkyn St B/Head Sec 16 grave250
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hi celia lubbie again.
could tell me how i would find out if anyone else was buried in the same grave.
many thanks
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Lubbie
you dont give your location,we need to know location,s so we can give the right advice saves time telling you how/where to go/to do.Then finding out one lives in Australia ;D Do you live in Wirral ???
Celia
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hi sorry i live in ellesmere port not far from birkenhead.
thanks
lubbie
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could tell me how i would find out if anyone else was buried in the same grave.
A yes or no would have done if you want to keep it secret ;D. The reason i asked is i thought if you lived near enough you might want to look for the above information yourself.Presuming you have the time,I have the time but don't drive and don't live in birkenhead. Anyway if you want to have a go yourself at looking for the above.You can go to the main library in B/H Town taking the info i sent you.You cant help yourself to films there so the librarian will give you the right film. Which will be The grave record for that particular plot. You have more choice of days using the library. I myself use the Archives in the town hall in the bad weather(saves me walking right across town :) ) Its also a lot quicker and less busy so you dont have to wait in Q just to ask a question :) but is only open Thursday,Friday and the Saturday is half day.So the staff have time to help you.If you haven't done this before i would recommend you use the town hall for now as a learning curve.They dont have the electronic film readers but its best to start on the older ones anyway. If you want me to do it let me know
Celia
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hi celia thank you very much for the offer of looking it up for me as i have two jobs and dont have much time inbetween. this would be greatfully appreciated thank you again
lubbie
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O.K will do that sometime next week.
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Hi Celia,
Long time since I spoke to you. .. I'd forgotten my password to sign on! Wow you found two more gravestones and all pertaining to my family .. thank you ever ever so much!
Now I have some names and have to figure out who is who!
Thanks again.
Jan
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Hello Jan
can you enlighten me ??? its ages since i did any reasearch for you.What did i find that you didnt have
Celia
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Hi Celia
Two gravestones, one for Evans which I think must be my great great grandmother's brother and Sarah and John Lutas. After getting that info last night I stayed up until 4:30 a.m. trying to do more research!
Thanks ever so much again.
Jan
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Hi Jan
after trawling through 12 pages i finally found the stone you were talking about.The reason i didn't remember it, was because i just happened on it when looking for nothing in particular so had decided to take the photo ,Just in case ;D.Usually when its nice i wonder round hoping to find gravestones i never did.If you know what i mean ;D So it was just a lucky shot am chuffed it yours ;D
Celia
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Lubbie
FLAYBRICK C.O.E
The grave register for Sec 17 Grave 595.Grant no: 8311
1928. buried Sep 26th age 51 Hannah Elizabeth Keogh
1930 buried June 10th age 2 years Allen Clover
1950 buried March 31st age 76 years Patrick Keogh.
KiraDidn't find your Thomas Lloyd in Flaybrick 1907 C.O.E.
this one might not be relevant but it was nearby and in the same year same cem.So i copied it just in case ;)
1907.
Buried Dec 11th age 31 Robert Lloyd Laborer of 1 Moreton St B/Head Pub Grave sec 7 G/458
Celia P.S. it was C.O.E.wasnt it? cant remember?
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There are three other cemeteries that i have never had the opportunity to do a look-up on yet they are.
Heswall that didn't open till 1960.I don't know if any burial records are available on film with it being so late.None of the other cems have burials after 1961 (as far as i know ::)
Plymyard opened 1930. & Frankby that opened 1940.
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Hello Celia
Thanks for the look up. Not sure about this Robert Lloyd being mine but will note the lookup you did. Looked at my tree and cannot see any relevance. As to Thomas Lloyd, l am pretty sure he is CofE. Looking through the Freebmd, l am presuming this Thomas Lloyd died 1907 age 64 was mine. Perhaps he isn't?? Sorry if l am sending you on a goose chase!! I will do some more research on this. Perhaps i'll get this death certificate or go to the church and see anymore Birkenhead deaths that match.
It is -25c and snowing. It is so miserable. I hear you are having snow too? I was talking to someone in NZ on another 'tree' and they are coming into summer. She says that Christmas and summer just doesn't feel right!!
Right now l think i'll trade her !!
Take care Celia,
Warm regards Kira
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Oops, l went to add something and posted my message !! This Thomas Lloyd b1843, in 1901 was living 33 Derby Road St.Catherines Tranmere...just thought l'd add that, but don't you go spending your precious time on this !!! You have helped me tremendously so far. As l said before, l should get a death certificate.
Warm regards
Kira
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thanks celia you truly are a gem. will now have to find that this hopefully is my patrick keogh.
thanks so much again
lubbie
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Hi Kira
The word presume was deleted from the "Dictionary for Genealogist" by me because i presumed to much in the past and it got me going up the wrong road ;D ;D.
Next time i look for Thomas 1 i will look on the non conformist film in flaybrick.Normally a family use only one cemetery.But if he went nonconformist he will be on a separate plot from the C.O.E Flaybrick is the only cem he can be in anyway.That was my last look up till 2006 because i only do them on Thursdays and fridays. Family are booking me the next few weekends.Mums do come in handy in the holiday seasons ;D ;D
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As I have never had a chance to look at burial records for Estham Cemetery
I thought I would do so. I found it different again from the other records
Some deceased have come from as far as Brighton where they died,
So must have been locals that moved away. Eastham Cemetery gives the place
Of death Hospital, Home (for the elderly probably), then the address the funeral
Took place from, I gather, that is a better way of putting it than the Entry version
I took a few random burials.
EASTHAM CHURCH OF St Mary in the County Of Chester
Kate Jane Swidells age 62 D.O.D July 13th 1920 P.O.D + Radnor Drive Wallasey. Then when buried
Ann Parsonage age 92 D.O.D August 1st 1920 P.O.D ++Magazine Lane Wallasey
Ella Brooks age 43 Married. D.O.D June 22nd 1921. P.O.D Cheshire asylum Upton by Chester.R.D
William Taylor age 61 Gardener D.O.D Feb 17th 1922 Little Sutton
Amy price age 57 D.O.D Aug 30th 1922 The Bungalow School lane Hooton
Thomas Lloyd age 72 Laborer D.O.D Dec 1st 1922 P.O.D Clatterbridge Poulton cum Spital
Margaret Ann Parr age 65 D.O.D Dec 18th 1926 P.O.D Cottage Hospital Whitley Ellsmear Port.
Thomas Lloyd age 87 D.O D. June 17th 1930 P.O.D Clatterbridge Spital Place
From where the body was brought Hooton Green Hooton.
Sarah Putt age 89 D.O.D 20th April 1940 P.O.D. ++ Oxford Road Barrow in Furness.
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GORES POSTAL DIRECTORIES
SURENAME KEOGH (most are in L.Pool but I only had time to get down to 1857)
I wasn’t looking for Keogh but these happened to be underneath the surname I was searching. Got a bit carried away .The Keogh name appears in the directory for the first time in 1832 and was the only one, before they multiplied and some I think moved over the water to Wallasey
1832. Lawrence, (Adamson & Co) Low Hill
1834. Lawrence 4, Duke St N. Edge Hill. Office 9, Lime St
1839. Lawrence Merchant (Day & K) Clare Terrace, 10 Duke St, N. Edge Hill.
1841 Lawrence as above
1845 Lawrence Merchant, 5 Clare Terrace, Edge Hill
“ Patrick, Slater & Plasterer, 4 Market St B/Head
1847. Bridget. 5 Clare Terrace, Duke St N. Edge Hill.
“ James. Shoemaker, 40 Wright St, Toxteth Park
“ Patrick. Merchant, 5 Clare Terrace Edge Hill
“ Walter. Painter & Glazier 50 Charters St
1849. Bridget. 5 Clare Terrace Duke St N. Edge Hill
“ James. Shoemaker, 40, Wright Street Toxteth Park
“ Mary. Egg Dealer, Stall, St Johns Market.
“ Patrick. Merchant (Daly & K) 5 Clare Terrace
“ Walter.Painter, Glazier, & Paper Hanger. 50 Charter Street
“ William. Boot & Shoemaker. 48 Wright St Toxteth Park
1853 Bernard. Beer House, 31 Pitt Street
“ Bridget. 10 Canterbury St
“ Eliza. 34 Upper Hill Street. Toxteth Park
“ Lawrence Fredk. Cotton Broker.
“ Nicolas, Officer in Customs. 98 Seacome Street
“ Patrick. Provisions Curer 8a Greek St
1855. Bridget 10, Canterbury St
“ Eliza. Dressmaker 4 Crown St/Faulner St
James. Shoemaker 21 Wright St, Toxteth Park
Lawrence Fredk. Cotton Broker. 1 Spencer St Everton
Office 5 Exchange St West.
1857. Eliza. Dressmaker 86 Chatsworth St
Elizabeth. 14 Portland St
John. Milk Dealer 6 Porter Street.
Lawrence Fredk: Cotton Broker. 1, Rodney St of 6 Exchange St West.
Patrick. Licensed broker. 55 Fonteney St
Patrick. Provisions Dealer 13 Chatham St
William. Provisions Dealer. Mersey St Seacombe
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Boo Hoo That list was as straight as die :'( :'( ;
My Picture gone A.w.o.l. ;D
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Hi Celia,
Thanks for the info on Keogh.
The entries from Gores Directory showing Eliza could possibly be of my g x 3 grandmother - the years and town are correct and she was a dressmaker.
Every little piece of info helps to build up the bigger picture.
Thank you for your time so wonderfully given and I didn't even ask for the info!
What a special lady you are!
Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
regards, Olly
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Hi Olly
great news that you found a relative. Keogh is such an easy name to find because it isnt common.I collected them for the other two rootschatters as well as yourself. They are researching the name as well. They didnt respond to my mail. So none can belong to them. I am sure one day they will be claimed.
Celia
Happy Christmas :) :) :) :) :)
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Hi Celia,
I am Liz from Auckland, New Zealand and I have just joined Rootschat.
My husband's grandfather died in Wallasey in 1958 and I was wondering if you would have any idea if he would be buried in this cemetery?
Details are:
Name: SEDDON, Frederick Miller
Date of Death: 14 July 1958 age 82 years
Where: 20 Belgrave St Wallasey
Occupation: Tailor
I have checked with my father-in-law and he doesn't think he was Catholic, but details are quite vague and he's not sure.
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks
Liz
PS If I've done this wrong, please let me know.
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Hello Liz
Welcome to rootschat,Thank you for the simple request that is all the information i need to find a Burial. Having all the information makes a burial a lot quicker to find. The burials for non conformist or general go to 1959 & C.O.E to 1973. So i will look for burial in Rake lane and those religions first. I will be back later with any find
Celia
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Hello again Liz
No luck with the burial in Rake Lane i am afraid.looked on both films.Also checked if he had been cremated,but no record found.Do you know when your husbands grandmother died.Or if any other family are in The cemetery. Did you get your information from the death certificate for Frederick?
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Thank you for looking up the registers, I really appreciate it.
The details that I have are all from the Death Certificate.
Its a bit complicated because Frederick had two families.
My father-in-law and the rest of his family emigrated to NZ in 1956.
We don't know anything about the other family except that Frederick's wife was called Margaret. She may have predeceased him or not.
Frederick's death in 1958 was registered by a P.C CALLENDER (son-in-law), and it appears he was living at Belgrave St as well.
That's about all I've got at the moment,
Thanks for your time and efforts
Best wishes
Liz
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Hi Liz
I haven't finished with your request yet.I intend looking for Frederick in other cemeteries as well.,out of Wallasey,Just in case he was buried elswhere.Just because a person dies in one place it doesn't mean they were buried there.I will also check and see if there was an obituary in the paper for him,and check the catholic burials.Will do that in the week.
Celia
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Copy and pasted from P.M
cemetery lookup
« Sent to: celia on: Today at 14:38:27 »
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Hi Celia
Someone directed me to Rootsweb saying that you did look-ups in the Wirral area.
My husband's relatives the Redheads were in Birkenhead from 1851 to the early 1900's. I know that several were buried there, but I don't know where. I have the death certificates of William Redhead 1897 in Liscard and his father Thomas in 1903, also in Liscard. I think Thomas' wife Elizabeth is likely buried with him and am really interested in William's wife MaryAnn, who disappeared from view after his death. I did find her in the 1901 census.
There was also Thomas' mother Dorothy Redhead who died in 1864.
Is there any way to find these burial records? Someone suggested that the Wallasey cemetery might be a good place to look for the later burials.
I notice also that you have a photo of a Cecil Jones beside your name. That is interesting as there was a Cecil Redhead (brother of my husband's grandfather Norman) Their half sister Ellen or Nelly Yates married an Alfred Pryce Jones. Perhaps a co-incidence. Perhaps there is a connection. The similarity of first names struck me, as Cecil was not a common name in the family.
I am in Canada, so visiting the Wirral cemeteries is not an option for me. Here in Ontario, many of the local cemetery records are available locally, so I am hoping that is also the case in Liscard.
I do hope that you can help me.
Thanks in advance.
Nelly
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Hi Nelly
i am getting famous aren't i ;) Australia, New Zealand,Canada ;D Anyway welcome to rootschat,I will do my best to help.The first thing i will do is check for any burials in Rake lane, from 1883 when it opened.The only other cemetery for earlier dates i can look in is flaybrick,in Birkenhead that opened in1864. The other four didn't open till the fourties,fifties and sixties .Any years earlier than 1864 would have been in Church yards.So i will check On the St Hilary's church yard burial's, that is a very old church and is also in Liscard. B,M.D records go back to Adam and eve ;D will get back to you at the end of the week. I hope my instructions get you to the topic with no problem
Celia P.S I forgot to ask, do you by any chance know the religion of the family? C.O.E. Catholic, or Non-conformist.This helps because different religions are on separate films.So it makes it quicker if it is known. If not don't worry i can look through them all,it just takes a bit longer.
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Kiwichick/Liz
I have some very good news for you,and me ;D i am pleased to say,good news for you because my findings will tell you things you probably didn't know.Good news for me because it was unexpected. Have you seen my last post yet. As i said i was to have looked at the catholic film.Then at the weekend go to the library in Birkenhead To look in the landican film to see if i could find Frederick there. Then i was going to return to wallasey library at a later date to see if i could find an orbit or article about his death.However it being a cold day i decided to go and look on the catholic film first in Wallasey library.For some reason though i asked for the wallasey news film1958,and guess what? I found an article in the Sat July 19th 1958 edition 8)
Reporting the death of Mr F.M.Seddon : I had already checked the reference book to the papers orbits,but There was no mention of one. I thought i would look anyway because Articles don't come under orbits.I have coppied it all out word for word i just have to type it out for you.. Do you want it ;D ;D ;D
Celia
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Hi Nelly
would you like me to see if i can find an article in the news paper for you as well? To reply to this topic in regard to religion.Just click on Reply on the bottom of the page. I will answear you question in regard to my dad Cecil Jones later.don't think their is a connection though. Granddads name was Cecil as well
Celia
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Hi Nelly
I had a look for your burials in Rake lane ,but none found.However i did have a look in the postal directories for you.1860,1892,and 3. There are very few Redheads so i coppied them.I will put them on here if you are interested.
Celia
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Hello Liz
I see you haven't been on-line since the 10th, when you get a chance.Pleas let me know me know what you want me to do with the orbit. I have it on my computer.Don't want to loose it ;D
Nelly have saved your as well ;D
31st Jan.Still no responce finding now gone
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Sorry I haven't been in touch, I was on holiday at the beach enjoying our on again/off again summer.
I would most definitely love a copy of anything you have found, I'm just blown away that you would do this for me.
Thank you so much
Liz
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Hi Liz
you are one lucky devil i am dead jealous ;D ;D ;D the article is printed exactly as in the paper.
From the Newspaper Sat. July 19th 1958 Edition.
Death of Mr. F.M Seddon. Conservative Club Loss.
The death occurred on Monday at his home, of Mr Frederick Miller Seddon, of Belgrave St Wallasey at the age of 82. Mr Seddon, who was born in Southport, came to Wallasey over fifty years ago. He was a Tailor in Cook St Liverpool, Mr Seddon was a prominent member of the
Wallasey central conservative Club Manor Road. Of which he was a former Chairman, He was also an active member of the bowling club. Connected to the conservative club, and was greatly interested in billiards, he joined the club in 1911. At the commencement of the First World War
Mr Seddon formed what was described As., The first wallasey shop assistance defense corps.
Becoming their Honorary Captain and instructor, subsequently he joined the Cheshire’s and became Sergeant Major. Mr Seddon leaves a widow and three daughters, Thora.Joan & Peggy
In America. The funeral service was held at landican crematorium on Tuesday
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Hi Celia,
Thanks for the newspaper clipping, that was brilliant! :) ;D
It has given us lots of information we didn't know and my father-in-law is chuffed.
I've now got lots of extra leads to follow up, thanks so much for your help.
If there's anything I can help with in NZ please let me know.
Liz
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Hello,
I'm new to this site and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they have come across the grave of one Joseph Hancock at the Rake Lane cemetery? He was born in Hanley, Staffordshire in 1832. He was a master mariner and in his later years worked as the long shore superintendant for Andrew Gibson and Co of Liverpool. I believe he died in 1895. I have been told that he lived in Wallasey in his later years, but have no clue as to where he was buried, either at the parish church or the cemetery. I hope to travel up to Liverpool and Birkenhead later in the year, but if anyone has any information I would be very pleased to hear from them.
Gary
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Hello Gary
Welcome to rootschat. I dont think i can help you on this one. Looking for a burial is like looking for needle in a haystack :) when there is no information to go on. Each council cemetery is on its own film. Then split into years on another film. Then you have different religions,again on different films. The good news is :) if Joseph died in wallasey in 1895 (have you checked the free B.M.D) That means he wont be in Landican,Plymyard,Frankby, or Flaybrick. Because they werent open then,so that narrows it down to Rake Lane (opened 1883) What churchyards there are in wallasey seem to have been very small. The biggest and oldest being St Mary's. So if you can do a bit of rooting on the B.M.D sites and find his death year. You will find where the death was registered. Or ask for some census lookups and see if you can close the gap a bit.Then again he could have gone home to Stafford. Get back to me if you get anymore information and i will see what i can do
sorry this is so long but it's the only way
Celia
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Hi Gary
I will be going to the library Next week,if not sooner,to do a directory lookup for another member.So as i have only one year to look up,i will check and see if i can find an address for your Joseph Hancock. If he does appear in the directories i will do a track search.If i find anything i will posts it on the
Lookup request board on the top of the page.So it doesn't get lost :) plus this is a burial lookup page,(like to keep them separate)
Celia
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Hello Celia,
Thank you for the replies and your generous offer of help. I have to admit that I thought it might be a long shot, but as so many people seem to be investigating relatives in Rake Lane via your thread, I was wondering if by chance anyone had spotted him. A Joseph Hancock, 63 is listed in the deaths for Liverpool in the June quarter of 1895, but I have not yet got around to getting that certificate - I am chasing other people at the moment. But, as I will be going to Liverpool soon, I thought it would be a good opportunity to see if I could find him. I don't know if the GRO 'Liverpool' tag places him in Wallasey, but the story is that he was buried in the village. The parish church was my first thought, but the family were methodists, so my mind turned to Rake Lane, especially as so many of those buried there were old sailors.
I would be very grateful if you could see if you could spot him if it's not too much trouble. Any indication of where he lies would save me a lot of legwork when I am up there. I'm hoping for a fulsome, wordy gravestone if he is there, that will resolve some family ties ... well, I can dream. ;D
Again, many thanks,
Gary
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Hi Gary
I am not sure what you mean by "I wonder if anyone has spotted him" Most of the people that ask me for help in finding a grave.Know that they are buried in Rake lane,if they have a year of death.I can then get the Rake lane film thats covers that year and religion.I then find the burial,and the plot and grave number.I then visit Rake Lane and hopfully take a photo of it plus inscription. if the stone is still standing.Then i send it to the Customer ;D (must higher my fee's ;D ;D) None of these people live in the north west,most are in the south,or in Canada, New Zealand,Australia, and America. The latter descendent's of relatives Grandparents or G.grandparents buried in the cemeteries. So no one here would spot your Joseph.
I am not sure what to do now in regard to a look up,you say Joseph died in liverpool. So the death is registered in liverpool.So do you think he lived in wallasey but died while working in liverpool. The library now charge for using the machines (now i cant use then as many times a week as i did)..Not that i mind as long as i have a few lookups to do at the same time, and i can use it for other things as well.But without definite information one look up at a time and not finding anything,well you you know ;) so that is why i want to find out if Joseph lived in Liverpool or wallasey first. If Josephs last job had been a merchant seaman. he might have been on my other rake lane topic for just merchant navy,but it wasn't so he isn't ;D Will See if i can find him anyway. Have you asked for the 1891 census for Cheshire.To see where he was living then,if he isnt on the cheshire census ask for the lancashire one.Then your nearly there.Problem solved.You might not need to go traipsing round liverpool. Just ask RootsChat ;D ;D
Celia
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Hello Celia,
Well, I have looked up Joseph Hancock on the 1891 census. Yes, he did live in Birkenhead, he and his wife and a domestic servant lived at 70 Bridge Street (I think - the street name is hard to read), but it is the right man, born in 'Steke-on-Trent' (sic), married to Susanna. Having looked up the one Bridge street in Birkenhead, it seems a distance from Wallasey, but parish boundaries can be pretty wide. If he still worked for Andrew Gibson - a Liverpool firm of shippers - he may well have been in Liverpool on business and died there.
Gary
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Thank you Gary
i can now look for him in Birkenhead,not wallasey,As i only have your lookup to do now.I will track back up from 1891, then back down from it.Will check back in with any results tomorrow.I should realy put any finding on the request board below the offers one.But it might confuse you.and its my fault anyway ;D,but if you want anymore lookups in the directories in the future .I have the offer at the top of rootschat Cheshire page. So post in the request page,then i will find it.
Celia
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Hi Gary
As i said i tracked back, he wasn't in the 1890,or the year before so stopped there.I don't know if this is the same Joseph,at a different address,so i took it just in case.
1891 Hancock. Joseph, Master marina,7 Neville Road, Waterloo,W
1892
Hancock. Joseph Ship Store Dealer (Heath & Co) 70 Bridge Street Birkenhead.same in 1893, books4,5,& 6 not found.He was not in the 1897. I went back 1882 and had a look under Shipping Traders, and found under Shipowners
Gibson. A.& Co 4 & 6 King St .W. It didn't say which King St there is one in wallasey as well.With it having King St W though its probably liverpool. hope this is of some help.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
Thanks for the information and indeed for spending the time looking it up, it was very good of you. Yes, it's a great help. The reference to Joseph as a ships store dealer tallies with what I could (just barely) read on the 1891 census return, though Heath and Co are a mystery to me, so that's another angle to follow up. I suppose he must have given up working for Gibson and Co some time before, though he has always been a rather shadowy figure to track down, so this latest developement does not come as a complete surprise. Whilst in Liverpool I hope to go and examine the Customs Bills of Entry at the Maritime Museum there, if he was a ship's merchant in his later years, as this new info seems to indicate he or his employers may get a mention.
As to his burial, I think I might take a trip to Birkenhead to take a look around and see where he lived and perhaps pop into some of the smaller graveyards to have a look around. Perhaps something of a wild goose chase on my part, but it can be quite pleasant to while away an afternoon in that fashion, especially after going over dusty old documents of a morning.
Anyhow, again, do please except my thanks for your help on this matter. If I do find anything more of interest I'll post it here.
Gary
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Gary are you still here
Just wondering if you found your Joseph Hancock yet
Celia
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Hello again Celia,
Sorry for the delay in answering, the result of crashing my computer and having repairs done I'm afraid. Yes, I have found Joseph, but not at Rake Lane. He is buried in St Hilary's churchyard in Wallasey, about five or six rows down on the right hand side as you go in. It was, I must admit one of the easiest grave hunts I've ever done. The inscription on the grave was not very informative, but it did tell me the date of his death, 1st May 1895. I will just have to get around to purchasing his death certificate now.
Gary
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Non con and Catholics headstones
Patrick McGinty 1919 + two children
Mary Requejo widow of Carlos Requejo 1941
Davies.
George, 1928 Sarah, Winifred, George (son)
Peter (1886) and ann Harrisson.
Henry Kaye of Huddersfield and wife
UpDate 8/6/06 noticed the above today lines seem to have moved and got mixed up,cant find the oridginal copy.
Mary Rayner wife of Robert McKean Late of curzone park chester 1860
George Gray of 67a pembroke place Liverpool 1895
Celia
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On seeing the Name Davies again it reminded me i already had some Davies Burials from previous lookups in my note book. So i will put them on here with any other surnames i find. Sometimes if i haven't found what i want, i just like to pick random surnames with Random years.The most popular years i am asked for. I will put them all on this post rather than scattered them around and try and keep them in name order.
Davies 1917 (see M.I Merchant Navy post 2nd Nov Page 1)
Alfred Davies died 28th Dec 1917
1944 Non Con
Buried April 1st Sarah Jane Davies age 86 of Prescot St New Brighton.
Buried 11th Sep William Davies age 44 of Ly??tt Road Wallasey
Buried 21st Dec Mary Jane Davies age 62 of Breck Road Poulton
DAVIES 1945 C.O.E
Buried Feb13th Oct Llewellyn Samuel Davies age 53.Parish Poulton.
Buried 8th may age 84 Thomas William Davies of Rice Lane.Parish/District St Columbus
Buried August 23rd Edward Davies age 75 Abode ST Georges Mount.
Buried September 29th Susan Davies ages 74 Parish Poulton.
Buried October 19th Emily Catherine Davies age 87 of Prospect Vale.
Non Conformist. 1945
Buried Feb 19th Goodman Richard Davies age 54 of Rockpoint Ave New Brighton
Buried June 12th Thomas Aurthur Davies age 73 of Clwyd Street Wallasey.
Buried. 20th October Thomas Clegsbutt or Claybutt,(writing is minuscule) Davies age 73 of St Marys St Liscard
Note. putting them in name order was the idea ;D but have now realized that wont be possible because of post in-between :-\
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Hi
Most people go for for a walk on the prom or the park,i go to the cemetery ;D nice and quiet there. I noticed a large bush with a headstone underneath.couldn't get at it though.I then spotted a bottom of another one.After a fight with the bush to get to it,and a scrabble round for a bit of paper in my bag. Nothing to rest the paper on only a lumpy stone. I finally got.
In Memory Of John Davies
died 10th July 1905 age 32
Richard Kenneth Davies S.O.A
Who lost his life by the sinking of the Lusitania
7th May 1915 age 18 years
Thats after i transcribed it ;D forgot to add i was also holding two branches down with my right foot while i was copying the inscription they then got away from my foot and nearly took my skirt with it. Why do i do this ???
Celia
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Hi Celia
wondered if you could look up following:-
John Garrett died 1876 Birkenhead (b1825), husband of Mary
David Petrie died 1886, husband of Mary
Bassnetts - Bertha & John would be after 1916
regards
SPlumb
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Good Morning Splumb
Are these people in Rake Lane,or do want to know if they are?Do you know what religion they may have been C.O.E. Or Catholic .The burial records are on film under religion and years at the library.So it helps cut down the number of films i thread through the machines.I don't look at the catholic films unless asked to as the majority of lookups are C.O.E. or Non Con.
Celia
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SPLumb
I see you have been on line since i sent the last post.Did you read it? I would prefare the information before i do a lookup Tomorrow. If you don't think they would have been catholics then thats O.K.
Celia
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Celia, you have taken me right back in time. Is this the cemetry by the Central Library? I used to walk through the cemetery sometimes, it was a lovely peaceful place as you say. I have seen your posts before but hadn't realised it is probably the same place.
Daff
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Hi Daff
yes thats the one,i spend more time there in the summer than i do at home.
Celia
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« Sent to: celia on: Friday 11 August 06 22:33 BST (UK) »
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hi celia,
looking for burial place of HENRY ROWE FLOYD and PATIENCE FLOYD both living at 46 Ashville rd Seacombe at time of death.
HENRY died 7-12-1900
PATIENCE died 4-1-1909
Tried Landigan but no joy.
Can you help ?
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Hello Peter
Welcome to RootsChat as your P.M is a request for a lookup i have moved it to my board.I have sent you a P.M advising of this ;)
I can do your lookup this week,do you have any idea if they would have been Catholics or not.Don't worry if you are not sure, it just me one less film to look through if you know the religion.
Celia Landican didnt open till the 19 30's
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Peter
I was sucssesfull with finding you Burials.
1900 Folio 876
Buried Dec. 12th Henry Rowe Floyd age 56
34 Green lane Liscard Sec 7c Grave 35.
1909 Folio 21.
Buried Jan 7th Patients Floyd age 67
48 Ashville Road, Seacombe Sec 7c Grave 19
Rake lane dont have A film where you can look up the Plot/Grave number to find out who else is in those two Graves.They were C.O.E Landican did not open till 1936 or around there.
Celia (Note Peter has viewed results)
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Splumb
I had a look for your burials in Rake lane But the one for John Garrett is to early for that cemetery,it wasn't open then.I looked for David in C.O.E but he isn't there. If he died in Birkenhead it is more than likely that he will be in a churchyard there. Or Flaybrick but cant remember off hand if that was open. Landican wasn't, Do you have another John Garrett that lived in Wallasey.I found one in the oldest church but he died in 1887.aged 80 could he be related?
Celia
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I have just found your post
This is my first attempt to use a chat board
I cannot find how to get notification of a reply. I can't find the Request board.
" the Request Board for the county and click the large NOTIFY button, you will recieve a notification when a new request is posted in the relevent county."
I am looking for cemetery records for
James Finlay McARA (1883 -1918)
Born: 1883 - Liverpool, , Lancashire, England
Died: SEP Quarter 1918 - Birkenhead, , Cheshire, England
Buried: ??
Father: James Finlay McARA (1847-1895)
Mother: Mary Ann ALDERDICE (1852-1904)
Wife: Edith I. BOULTON
Marriage: 1912 West Derby-St Mary The Virgin, , Lancashire, England.
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Kelly's Directory of Cheshire, 1914 James F Macara Tobacconist
10 King St
Egremont
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He was married as C of E but his sister was Methodist.
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Hello Macara
welcome to RootsChat i see you only joined yesterday,and i have the honour of your first post ;D
Celia's Rake Lane is called a topic = on one particular subject.So you did well to get the right place first time.
When you get a reply to your post,you should automatically get an email in your in box. Sender RootsChat you have received mail from Celia. Click on it and it will bring you here.
Would i be right in saying you would like me to do a lookup in Rake lane cemetery burial records for James. Do you think he might have been buried in the Wallasey Cemetery.Rather then in Birkenhead.
Celia P.S. I have just noticed you other posting :) I will be going to the library next week so i will :) do your lookup then.
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Hi Celia,
First I was told Birkenhead then Wallasey so I am not really sure.
Macara
Much relieved to get your message to find out I am on the right track for chat forums.
Macara
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Hi Macara
Birkenhead like Wallasey is in wirral,so all burial records for council and church yards for Birkenhead,Ellesmere Port, Wallasey,bebington, Bromborough, Heswall, Hoylake,Neston, Tranmere, & West Kirby are all held on film.At the Archives in Birkenhead. Rake Lane or Wallasey Library, is in the grounds of the cemetery.So Naturally they have the burial records for that cemetery. Plus the famous St Hilary, and a few M.I for the local cemeteries.So I will check all these for you next week.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Now I understand. That is very kind of you.
Macara
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Hi Macara
I had a look in Rake lane for your burial Sep/Oct/Nov/ i also looked in St Hilary for both of the James they are not there. Sometimes i have reason to lookup the deaths on the G.R.O.Before i actually go out to do the burial one. This i did this morning, as you know James Jrn Was age 36 when he died in 1918 He was registered in Birkenhead (not died there) so died in wirral. Were every person in Wirral is registered. I also found on the G.R.O. His father James Finlay Srn. died age 47 in the April 1/4 but his death is registered in W.Derby. Is it possible that the son is buried in a family Grave with his father.So not buried in Wirral,maybe you could have a scout round the cemeteries in the W.Derby area and see if you can find them there. Not everyone is buried where they die but they do have to be registered there.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Many thanks for checking those records for me I will now take your advice and try Everton which is where his father and mother were living at the time of the census before their deaths
James Finlay McARA b. 14 FEB 1847, Row, Dumbarton,
d. 1895, West Derby, Liverpool,
1891 CENSUS: 25 Abram Street Everton
Mary Ann ALDERDICE b. 1852, , , , IRL,
d. 1904, Winwick, , LAN,
1901 Census 42 Danby St Everton St Benedict
You have been of great assistance !!
Macara
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Hi Celia
Sorry, seems I missed your question about religion. I would think my Garretts (Garratt), Bassnetts(could be Basnett, Bassnet, Basnet) and Petries would have been COE.
thanks!
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Hi
MacaraSPlumb, ::)no need to Apologize, it's useful to know the religion if known,because the films are under religion.Once a Catholic always a catholic,i would think.I always look on the C.O.E first anyway then go through the Catholic ones. I once spent hours once a week looking for a burial C.O.E for someone in various cemeteries,not on rootschat but privately. I jokingly said "Are sure they weren Mormons" ;D.
Oh no definitely not was the reply "They were Roman Catholics" ::) ::) ;D i have to say for some reason apart from council cemeteries.Catholic records are hard to find.
Celia
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SPlumb
I know this is a bit late,but i don't seem to have done your lookup for some reason.Do you still want one or did i send it P.M :-\
Celia
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Hi Celia
yes Please! if you can please do a look up I'd be grateful.
regards
SPlumb
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Hi again SPlumb
Rake lane didn't open till 1883 so John Garrett wont be there. If he died in Birkenhead where he lived, he might be in Flaybrick. Landican didn't open till 1930 something :-\
Did the The others live in Birkenhead as well or Wallasey?
Celia
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Hi
Not sure really - do know that they seem to have been more Birkenhead but there are other relatives that are mentioned as having lived in New Brighton.
Are there any burial/plot listings for the other cemetries that I could look up?
regards and thanks
SPlumb
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If available any church yard burials or M.I's for Birkenhead.Might have been transcribed into book form by F.H.S.Or other volunteers,(Like the wallasey library have for wallasey west Kirby)and so might be in the main Birkenhead library.Or C& C archives in Chester,Or the Birkenhead Archive in the town hall.There are no burial records available on the internet. There was lots of Church's in birkenhead in your time span as you can see on the website.Finding burials depends on a few things. I only do lookups for Rake Lane, St Hilary because they are both on film in the Birken archive.Plus a few others in book form in Birkenhead library,so i don't know what else Birkenhead library have.I never asked ;D You dont give a location,but if you live in Wirral a visit to any of the above might find your burials eventualy. ;D
Celia
http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/Chs/birkenhead.html
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Hi
thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I am in South Africa so a bit far to go. I'd love to be able to trawl through library records but have to make do with what's available on the net.
regards
SPlumb
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Hi SPlumb
not sure if you know it or not ;) but people living in wirral are all registered in Birkenhead.So i will lookup the burials for the latter names.If you have any other names let me know the main details Name, year of death,and I will see if i can find them in rake lane first.I don't suppose you know which part of Birkenhead your ancestors lived re the census do you.As the burial records give the abode which might come in handy seeing it will be a blind search ;)
Celia
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Hi
thanks for offering to look these up:- (don't know whether they are in Rake Lane).
Petrie -David b1846 d1886 (he lived in Cleveland Rd Birkenhead)
Rossi - Emily Kate (nee Ward) b1861 died between 1885 & 1918
Bassnett - John b1882 died after 1916 (lived in New Brighton)
Bassnett - Bertha b1878 d1919 (lived in New Brighton)
Bloor - Joshua b1862 died after 1919
Bloor - Ellen b1863
best regards
SPlumb
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Thanks SPlumb
i will get back to you in a couple of days
Celia
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Hi Splumb
I had a look for the burial with the definite death year,on the C.O.E film but no luck i am afraid.The problem with the burials and other research, is they are under religion, R.C. C.O.E. Non.Con. which is important when doing lookups.Because they are on different films,so if your family were not C.O.E. they wont be found there.It cant be expected that people know their ancestors religion from the 1800 :) (it does helps heaps though ;D)so it's a case of looking through the films. Actually i have just had a thought ::) the surest way of finding where someone is buried is to look for an orbit.I have found loads(for others )and i have had others find them for me ;D I will have a look for one for Bertha.Cant do the others till you find a death year. If you can find death year for John Bassnett & Joshua Bloor that will be good and the 1/4 if possible.Then i wont have to go through 48 newspapers each time;D Celia
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Hi Splumb
Bet you thought i had forgotten you ;D
as you can see on my post i didn't find the burial in Rake lane.C.O.E
However i did look in the M.I. for Rake Lane and none of the names you listed are in the files.Being a 1919 death for Bertha i reckoned there should be a headstone.So she obviously isn't there.I have since found the registration for the death of Bertha Bassnett aged 41 it was registered in Macclesfield on the other side of Cheshire. Did she move there at sometime or have rellies there .Of John i can find no trace at all,the few Bassnett's that there are,are mostly registered in liverpool W.Derby.Only two registered in wirral as far i i went which was 1930 something. One a child was registered in wirral but that had aged 0 so presumably died at birth or a few hours after. The other was Thomas Bassnett reg B/Head 1923.
Regards Celia
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Hi Celia - wonder if you can help.
I've been tracing my ancestry recently, and through my research into my dad's line (Woodburn) have made contact with a cousin in South Africa. I've put him in touch with my mum who still lives in Wallasey, and he has recently written to her to say he will be in the country in June/July of this year. He intends to try to further his research while here and has asked her if she could try to find the graves of his and my common ancestors, Frederick Woodburn and his wife Mary.
Unfortunately, as far as I know he has been unable to find their years of death, and I haven't had any joy with online searches. What we do know is listed below.
Frederick Woodburn
Born: 1856 in Cockermouth
Married: 1886 in St Nicholas Church, Liverpool
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Mary Winstanley
Born: 1863 in Chester
They had nine children and were still alive in 1918, and living in Rappart Road, Seacombe, when one of their sons, Frederick Winstanley Woodburn died in WW1. They will have been CofE (given the church where they married).
I am convinced that years ago I was cutting through Wallasey Cemetery to Earlston Library when I chanced upon a headstone with the name Frederick Woodburn on it, and my South African cousin seems convinced that they would be there too. My mum is in her 80's and tends to worry about letting people down, and I live on the opposite side of the country now, so am really limited to online searches.
I do hope you can help with this. Thanks for any time you can find for any look-ups. :)
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Hello Chris Welcome to Rootschat
From England to Africa and back,how wonderfull.I will help you all i can but trying to find a burial without a year or near even for me ;) takes a long time going through the films.BUT, you maybe in luck, a few months ago i found a new source whereby i can look up burial without knowing the year, and religion, not every single burial is on the records but it will save me heaps of time if it is ;). Tell you mum not to worry if there are buried in Rake lane i will do my best to find them you never know she might remember something she thinks is relevant ,but important to us.I went through all deaths on the G.R.O and like you didn't find them. if they died in England they should be on the G.R.O. I will go through them again though because it was late and i was a bit cross eyed ;D I had wondered if they might have been cremated,but Landican didn't open till the 1930's.The only reference i could find for Frederick was his birth in Cumbria.Nothing after that ,i found these deaths district wallasey reg wirral on the U.K B.M.D. If these names are any connection to you maybe we can start there This doesn't mean they are in rake lane though.
1887 Alice Woodburn age 75
1896 Robert Barber Woodburn age 68
1900 William James Woodburn age 75.
For William James (if yours) i will have a look on the newspaper films in the 1900 editions.I might be lucky and find an article which gives lots of information.Even an small entry in the orbit column might help,they don't give much info though. Anyway i will see what i can put together for you,i have a few weeks before the your cousins visit. So that gives me plenty of time for trips to the library.
Best wishes Celia
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Thanks for agreeing to try for me. :)
As far as I'm aware the three names you listed aren't direct relations to Frederick Woodburn. I think out of his family he was the only one who made the journey down from Cumbria to the Wirral (although it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that he chose the area because there were already distant cousins living there).
Here's a link to my South African cousins research http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=354819&id=I15, which contains more detail on Frederick and Mary's children than I have, as I've just concentrated on Frank, who was my grandfather. Perhaps there's a nugget of information in there that might be of use to you.
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Hi Chris
I went to the library today to see if i find the whereabouts of Frederick through the directories so i could help locate his death.He might have been in Wirral in Person but he is another invisable in print ;D I also checked the newspaper orbit colume index again no finds
Firstly though I had a look in The M.I's for Rake lane there is only one Woodburn mentioned that is George woodburn who died 12th July 1955 and his wife Edith Ann woodburn died 7th October 1974.Thats not to say they are not in the cem though.I also looked in St Hilary 1917-1946 non at all there. I get the feeling something is not right like there is a inportant piece of information missing somewhere.If Frederick was in wirral in 1918 and was the one that paid the rent he should be in the directories.If he wasnt and i knew his occupation i could have looked under that,but i dont. I have looked at your cousins tree,do you know what that bit that says Husband addopted means.Also do you know if Frederick was born before the parent married.
Here is what i found in the directories
1897 a stockbroker lived in 14 Rappart Road
Gores 1900. Alfred Woodburn Res Secretary Imperial Life insurance 9 Grafton Road/Field road N/Brighton
Mary Woodburn. Chandler 54 Market Street Hoylake
William Woodburn 1, Burnasby Street Egremont
1902. Mrs Mary Woodburn Chandler of Market Street.
1912 Gores Directory Frederick Woodburn Asst Grocer 14 Rappart Road Seacome
Nothing found in 1917/18 Directory
1914 Gores George Woodburn Madders. 8 Southbank Oxton
Mrs Woodburn Fletcher Wimslow Park Wimslow Manchester
Not sure if this was in the same directory or not as I have a small line between.
The library doesn’t have the full set of directories for the 1900’s and I couldn’t find the 1920/21
I didnt take the ones in Liverpool.
Celia
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Just seen Frederick was a chandler by 1901 so will follow that up next week.
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Wow! :D
Thank you for all this hard work you're putting in. I can shed some light on Frederick's "adoption". Frederick has his mother's maiden name, but his first appearance in 1861 is after his mother's marriage to Benson Atkinson. My cousin has a copy of Frederick's birth certificate and apparently Benson was Frederick's father.
The Woodburns at 14 Rappart Road are the one's we're interested in. I wonder whether the Frederick Woodburn listed in Gores might be Frederick Winstanley Woodburn (Frederick Jr, aged 20), given that by 1912 Frederick senior would have been nearly 60 years old. Possibly Frederick Winstanley Woodburn was keeping his parents? By the time Frederick jr died in Belgium in 1918, his father would have been 62. If his son had been paying the rent, then possibly Frederick and Mary might have had to find somewhere else to live fairly soon afterwards. I do hope they haven't disappeared on us.
I've emailed my cousin again today to see if he can provide any further information, and I'll let you know whether he comes back with anything new.
All the best
Chris
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Morning Chris
The reason i asked about Husband addopted-is as is known,if a couple are not married .The child has to take the name of the mother,even if they live together.If the couple get married later.I would think that the child would be known under his rightfull name, his Fathers .(You will have to start a another topic and ask about this)the other thing you need to ask is,is it possible for a father to addopt his own son? The reason i ask is because after going on your cousins webpage and finding that his fathers name was Atkinson. I did a some calculations and found a Frederick Atkinson died age 74 April 1/4 of 1931 Reg McField 8a 168.
I disregarded this at first,but now i am beginning to wonder ::),because there are no deaths registered in wirral for any Woodburns over many years of searching.I am not sure if on a death, the registrar checks the birth. Has your cousin got the marriage cert of any of the children.That will give if Frederick was deceased or not,i know we are going round in circles here ;) but at the moment i am doing a blind search not knowing when he died or why he isn't showing up in the directories,and why there are no Woodburn deaths registered in wirral.Mind you the girls names would have changed on Marriage.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
It's an interesting thought about whether Frederick would have been a Woodburn or an Atkinson. What I do know is that he appeared in every census from 1861 onwards as a Woodburn and was named in the CWGM details for Frederick Winstanley Woodburn as Woodburn. All of his male descendents have been Woodburns as well. So, looking for Atkinsons is probably a non-starter. :(
I've heard back from South Africa today. My cousin says that he's hit a brick wall when it comes to finding the date of death for Frederick and Mary. He says that the only thing he's been able to find is that it was post WW1 and that this is from the CWGM entry for Frederick Winstanley Woodburn which has under additional details
'Son of Frederick and Mary Woodburn, of 14, Rappart Road, Seacombe, Wallasey, Cheshire'
But looking at this again, I wonder whether it could equally be read as two separate facts - ie. He was the son of Frederick and Mary, and he (but not necessarily his parents) lived at 14 Rappart Road. In which case, everything concerning Frederick and Mary post 1901 - address, date of death, place of death becomes an unknown. They may even have been dead before 1918. Oh dear... I think I might have to do some more digging around, but at the moment it's looking like they might have dropped off the radar. It's a pain the the death records for Cheshire aren't online beyond 1900. I'm going to see whether I can get anywhere finding out whether either of them were witnesses at their children's weddings post 1901. In the meantime, you're probably best to hold fire on any searches for me, and I'll come back to you with any useful information that may kick-start the look up again. Thanks for your hard work so far.
Best wishes
Chris
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Hello Chris
How are getting on with your Woodburn reseach,
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I've just heard from my mum today. She spent some time in Earlston Road library looking through their records with no success, then someone suggested she contact Landican Cemetery. They've come back to her today with a Fred Woodburn who was married to a Mary and who died in 1929. So it looks like at long last we've found them. They are buried in Rake Lane Cemetery (she's been given the plot number etc) and one reason for the difficulties in finding them is that they turn out to have been non-Conformists rather than Church of England.
I've also heard from my South African cousin who emailed to say that he was going to be setting out for his visit to this country in the next few days, so the information from Landican couldn't have been better timed. Hopefully he should be able to see the headstone of Frederick and Mary (assuming that it wasn't one of the ones that was vandalised last year).
Thanks for all your efforts with the look-up, especially given the relatively small amount of information you had to go on. :)
Chris
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Thats great news Chris i am so pleased ;D
Just in time as well,Landican I think holds all the original records, they used to be all in the books.So probably still are
with a book for each religion.So much quicker to look up,it's amazingly good luck on your mums part as well. Getting that information from landican because i don't think they do that often.The reason for wanting to find the grave,might have helped though ;D ;D Have a happy reunion and all the best.
Celia
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Chris
I just checked the Mary Woodburn died in 1929 she was 72 and was registered In Manchester in the January 1/4. There is also in January a registration in B/Head for a Frederick Woodburn age 72.
Celia
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Hi Celia
could you please check to see if there is a burial for,
May Agnes Hannah, who died on the 5 June 1921 please.
Regards Linda
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Hi Linda
Thanks for the P.M I will check the burial and also any orbits,as said.Then see if i can find the others,if i don't find them in Rake lane i will look in St Hilary.That is if they C.O.E.Were they? I will at a later date take photo of the house if your cousin wishes.Unless she already has one?
Celia
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Celia
Thankyou very much for your help. I have just E mailed Maureen to see if she knows what Religion they were. She should Email me back later tonight.
I have sent her a link to this site. ;) she will probaly leave a comment to thankyou herself, as she will be so excited that you have offered to help.
Thanks again Ceila.
Linda
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Linda
The Library is closed on Wednesday plus it's Bank holiday week end(found out today :) So i will get back to you on Thursday hopfully before Australia goes to bed ;D
While i am here there isn't a one Reginald in 1895.Tell you about that on a P.M
Celia
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Hi Celia or Linda,
I have just registered to this site thru Linda so I hope I am doing it correctly.
Re May Agnes Ryan & Reginald Edwin Hannah my Grandparents on my mothers side, as far as I know my mother always told me she was brought up a strict Catholic.
From memory my mother told me that her father died when she was about
6 years old so that would make it 1927 thats if he did die at the time tho maybe that was what she was told.I know it sounds odd.
Please reply and thankyou very much to you both.
Also re the photo Celia I would love one of Mays House just to make sure the address was
11 Demesne St Seacombe
Many many thanks, also if it is any help Reginald Edwin worked at the GPO as a telephone electrician.
Cheers Maureen
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Hello
Maureen welcome to rootchat,Thank you for the religion,It is a great help because Non conformists,Catholics,& C.O.E are on seperate films.It saves looking through all three ;D
And i dont need to look in St Hilary.
Celia
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Thanks celia
Hello Maureen Glad you found us :D
Linda
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Demesne St Is correct ;)
Celia
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8) Hi Celia,
Thankyou for replying so quick and welcoming me to Roots Chat, most probally you and Linda are sleeping now :) this is a great forum and a place to look at when you are both sleeping ;) ha! ha! and the people in the forums of what I have read are really helpful. So far I have read the Beginners Forum and some of yours too Celia.
I will most probaly be asking a few questions in the near future as my relations in the UK are not interested in the family tree research, also I live in Australia.
I think it is only fair to ask you a couple of things at a time because you must be very busy answering everyones questions.
I have got at least 75% information of Linda and I have only recently met her thru Ancestry thru another lady in Ancestry called Sharon and it worked out that the 3 of us are Great Cousins Wow!! and we are researching the same ancestors.
Well cheers for now and many many thanks again!!
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Dear Great Cousin Linda,
Thanks for welcoming me its a great place I will be visiting here a lot when you are sleeping hee! hee! ;D
I have been reading a few of the messages it was very interesting and I will email you again.
Lots of Love
Great Cousin Maureen xxx
::)
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Dear Celia,
Sorry I forgot to tell you my Mum had no pictures of her parents or her family that raised her, which was her maternal Grandmother and Aunty and she vaguely remembered what her father looked like. :'(
So the photo that you want to send me will be priceless!!
If there is a problem in trying to take it for me and you cant dont feel bad at least you offered and tried and thats worth even more.
Cheers
Maureen
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Hi Maureen
bad news i am afraid the houses in Demesne/you have Desmene Street are long gone.I have never been in that road,In some parts it is like a maze.I was talking to a lady who lived in road,she told me she had lived there about 30 years.Had moved there when her children were young.So i reckon the old houses where demolished middle 1960's 70's when that particular part of seacombe from the main road to the seafront was practically flattened. Between the Town hall and the ferry.To make room for new housing.I have taken some photo's for you,I found out by chance that there was a Hotel in Demesne Street.The road is unusually wide for round there,trying to find an old photo for you.When i go to the library to do your lookup i will see if i can find one.
Celia
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Maureen/Linda
I found her ;D ;D ;D I have just come back from the library for a break.Alien staff on for dinner break so took time for them to find things. You cant help yourself to the films,I new the film i wanted,anyway will tell you about that later.
I was just about to give up when they gave me the right film.Mary Agnes Hannah is buried Rake Lane on the roman catholic plot she was 21.I have to go now so will send you the info later, i have to go back to the libray but thought to let you know.
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thats great news. :)
Thanks alot Linda
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Spent another couple of hours at the library,I wanted to check the burial date given even thought i checked it twice.
Reason she was buried over 2 weeks after she died.It was correct, but never seen that B.4.
I am glad The religion was known because there are lots of wirral cemeteries and church yards to go through far to many to search.Thats why religion is so important.
I had expected with her being Roman Catholic she would be buried on the one of the big plots but she isn't. Over half the cem is Catholic.
1921
Buried June 18th Mary Agnes Hannah age 21 years
11,Demesne Street Secombe M.O.B. Public sec 2R no grave number
Ceremony Performed by J.E.Leddon.
I do not think there is a headstone,i have spent a long time over the years in that aria Taking M.I's and i don't remember seeing it.
Celia
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Celia
Thanks alot for looking.I do appreciate it. Shame theres no Head stone though.
I agree with you it does seem along time between dying and burial especially in 1921.
Thanks again Celia for all your help you really are a kind person.
Linda.
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I thought there must be some reason for the long delay so i firsty i looked in the index of B.M.D entered in the newspaper of that year.To see if there was an orbit put in by family there wasn't.There was 2 other Hannah though one in the may edition of 1930 the other in the June edition same year.it doesn't give names so as i didn't want to trawl through 2 newpapers to see who it was.I was hoping to find Reginald,if he hadn't re-married and moved on by then.So what i did was a burial lookup in Rake lane for may & June.As Landican Crematorium wasn't opened at that time i thought i might get lucky.I didn't find any Hannah burial,unless the last one was buried late.So they were not buried there whoever they are.I was browsing through the R/L roman catholic burials 1884-1947 and i recognized a name here and there Like Kehoe that i had spent time looking for.I also had a quick look in frankby cem for catholic burial,and it made me wonder if any of the burials i never found were because the religion wasn't known.I don't look up catholic unless that religion is specified,you would know i think if a family was Catholic or not.Had a quick look at frankby,Eastham st Mary i think, Hoylake & West Kirby.Just to see what the records were like.As i haven had the opportunity to use them. Again a saw none common names that lite a light.Back to this late burial there must e a reason for such a long time between death and burial,so i am wondering if there had to be a post mortem.If that is so then maybe the death and funeral of Mary wasn't made public until the family were given permission to bury her.Also any article or orbit wont be in the paper till weeks later
Linda if i was you i would contact the Cemeteries Registrar at Landican in Birkenhead on behalf of Maureen and see if they can give any reason.If you dont ask you wont know ;D
Cheers
Celia
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Dear Celia,
Many thanks as menuioned before I think May Agnes died on 5th June in childbirth to my Mother. my Mother told me that May Agnes died of Septicemia thats blood poisoning I think and maybe the delay was for a post mortem as you said.
You have been working hard on this and my gratitude is really appreciated
Love Maureen xx
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Maureen
I get the feeling there is some information missing somewhere in regard To Reginald Edwin,what a cant fathom out at the moment.When and where was your last siting of him(on Record) How do you know he was worked for B.T.Was that on the marriage cert of Reginald & Agnes.Or was it on your mothers Birth certificate?
Do you have your mothers Marriage certificate?In the Fathers Mothers names does it say Reginald is Deceased?
Reginald is not in the wirral directories 1914/15 1917/18 or 1925/26 so i have come to the conclusion right or wrong :)That he was living with someone,so wasn't a House holder and therefor wont appear in them.
in 1917/18 in
11 Demesne Street the House holder was Joseph E Ryan Chimney sweep
1917/18 Joseph E Ryan Chimney sweep
1920/21 same address but he is now a jobber.
So were Reginald & Agnes living with him?and where did Reginald dissapear to i wonder ???
Celia
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Dear Celia,
Thanks!! On my parents marriage certificate I have their ORIGINAL as follows
WB 995541
Reg District Wallasey County Bourough Wallasey
Entry No 39
Name Eileen Mary Hannah
Father Reginald Hannah (DECEASED) Profession of Father Telephone Engineer (GPO)
Date 28th June 1952
Registrar A G GREEN & Superintendant Registrar A Bent
along with my dads details etc
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On my Mums Birth Certificate which is a COPY my Mum ordered in 1984
Wallasey County Borough of Wallasey.
Entry No 29
Birth 5th June 1926
Father Reginald Edwin Hannah
Mother May Agnes Hannah formerly Ryan
Occupation Father Electrician (GPO Telephones)
Informant R E Hannah Father 11 Demesne St
Registered 16 June 1921
Registrar C H Ogden
On the top right hand corner of the certificate a number CH 653377
Re Joseph E Ryan known as a Chimney Sweep according to records he has been known as a Bricklayer on May Agnes Ryan Birth Certificate he is known as a Master Builder mmm???
Reginald was born in Liverpool in Walton on the Hill of West Derby wonder if he went back to his relations or emigrated????
Cheers
Maureen
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Hi Maureen
I didn't mean you to give me all the info from the certs but thanks anyway ;D. I am having a problem with my email -in mail,(new provider) so if i don't reply within a few hours you know why.I sent you a private mail last night but it only went this morning. At the moment not knowing anything about Reginald there isn't a lot i can do my end.Only try and track him down.Let me know if you will be contacting Landican re The Burial of Agnes or not.
Celia
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English Daisy
As I have mentioned in the P.M the libraries wont be open till Next Thursday. So i have printed the info out you sent me and hopefully might have some luck
Celia
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Just a quick reminder to all, When landican crematorium opened in Birkenhead in the thirties.Lots of people chose to be cremated,today almost everyone is So If they were they will not appear on any burial records at all.
Celia
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Maureen
I been looking in the Deaths, U.K B.M.D because they sometimes go up to 1972 and Hannah does.Which is brilliant.I did a search all counties,unfortunately yours didn't come up, for some reason the 1920's haven't been transcribed.However there are quite a few Hannah registered wirral .That might be connected to you.In the Free B.M.D. which i don't think goes as far.I did a search just putting Hannah all counties there are hundreds,also a quiet a few in Liverpool,Have you seen those
Celia
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Hi All
After years of doing burial lookups for rake lane sometimes with very vague information.In January of this year my job was made a lot easier by a couple who themselves, not a F.H.S. took all the Monumental inscriptions of all the stones left standing.It must have taken a long time even with 2 people.They had a set of four books published which i have used since they came to the library.I went up one week recently to use them,they were in the same place as usual and the place i put them back.About 3 days later i had to go back to re-check a date,I noticed right away they had been moved to the other side of the sill they have never been there before.There were only 3 books( i noticd later the staff cant see you from that side),i pointed it out to the librarian she said its been misplaced.As these books are in a half box you don't misplace them, you put them back.My instinct told me they had been stolen,so i went back i week ago having given them time to prove me wrong ;)There still only 3 books in the box and the missing one cant be found.I was fuming and had to leave the library i was so upset that anyone could do such a thing after all the hard work that has gone into those books.The other three are now out of help yourself reach.So now if anyone wants to see if a particular person is mentioned in the book and they are mention as being in plot ? if they are in 1 of the 7 plots now missing,the information is no longer available.Thanks to the thief that stole the book :-X :-X I keep hoping i am wrong and that it might turnup but i think not.
Celia
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Celia,
It is a shame and very callous that a person could stoop so low to steal the book and I hope it has been misplaced as the book is very valuable in many ways.
It is amazing if how they got it out of the library, In our libraries here in Australia in the area that I live in before you exit the library you have to pass thru like a scanner as you check out and if you have not shown the books to a Librarian that you want to lend to take home the alarm goes off.This is for all books not just reference ones which you can't take home of course.
It would be a good idea for all libraries to have at least you could trace or catch the thief!!!!
Re the 1920's deaths not being transcribed yet this is where I think the problem lies with my Grandfather Reginald as not being able to find him!!
Also Celia I would like to mention another site i stumbled across yesterday but you most probally know of it, it is called the "Old Mersey Times" and has a lot of links and interesting informaton and I hope it would be helpful to you for your research you do to help people.
Regards
Maureen
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;D ;) :)
Dear Celia,
I HAVE FOUND REGINALD EDWIN HANNAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I searched thru every quarter of every year since 1921 in the COMPLETE BMD INDEX in Ancestry right thru till 1953 and he appeared on the list.
Reginald E Hannah- Age 55 - Bootle-Volume 10 B Page 621
PreviouslyI had searched thru all the historical records of ancestry with all details in different ways and nothing of his death came up.
I feel very sorry for my Mum tho because she was told that he died when she was 5 or 6 so grew up without a Father as well.
Now that he died in Bootle would it be possible now to find out where he is actually buried??
Thanks for all your hard work on this one as well.
Cheers ;)
Maureen
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Maureen
I just got your email and have just picked myself up off the floor ;D ;D I am shocked 1953 your poor mother,why tell a child a lie like that :( You did mention that Reginald might gone back to liverpool didnt you. It is unfortunate that ancestry Free G.R.O. B.M.D is no longer available to us non members.Or he would have been found befor now.I would not however have looked up as far as you did.I had just started to search around for Staff records of The G.P.O.
didnt have much luck though.Are you going to send for the Death certificate that will give new information.No you wont be able to find out where he is actualy buried there are lots of cemeteries in Liverpool.So it means another long search, on the Lancashire board,they might be som cems in the Lancashire resourses.I cant help with that one i am afraid.I can only do wirral.Gosh i am realy chuffed for you.Do keep in contact with me via email,because now i know the correct year of death i might be able to find some bits of information
I get the feeling there is some information missing somewhere in regard To Reginald Edwin,what a cant fathom out at the moment.
;) ;D
Celia
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Maureen
One last word ;) i was disappointed not to have been help much with Reginald but hopefully i now can.I have found a Marriage for A Reginald Edwin Hannah.I will email you the details its the first time the name has come in any search of anything.On the net or in the library.
Cheers
Celia
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Hi Celia,
This may sound rather odd but when I was doing the search for Reginalds death thru Ancestrys Complete Marriage Files and all thru the Quarters I was getting frustrated and spoke out loud saying something like REGINALD where are you ^%$#@!#$$%!!!!! and lo and behold he appeared on the very page that was opening the image page SPOOKY :o :o :o EH!!!
I have been speaking out loud a couple of times now but it hasnt worked! ha!! ha!!
Also did you get the email re all the chilren he had with his second wife etc if not when your email is back online I will resend them.
Cheers
Maureen
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HI Maureen & Linda
because i know a lot of members read this topic even thought they don't have look ups done.They like to follow stories.So thought i would reply on here rather that email it also keeps Linda in the picture ;D We now know Reginald will probably be buried in Liverpool.Because I found a second marriage for him in wirral,He had a couple of children in wirral.Then Moved to liverpool where more where born.I tracked Reginald back from 1951 to only a couple of years due to lack of available directories.After his death i tracked his wife back to down197? as far as the books took me, She was Still at the same address in Liverpool.
Now some good news ;D and another problem :( I found the burial In The Roman Catholic burials, of Martha Agnes Kate Ryan age 62, the address you know,she was buried on 7th January 1937.In the section next to your grandmothers It gives a grave number unlike you grandmothers. The Problem,There is no burial for Joseph
in the October 1/4 I thought maybe he had been cremated and his ashes scattered late .so went through the next year to no avail.It is still possible he might have been cremated and his ashes scattered on his wifes grave. But if the family don't advise the registrar of their intentions to do this.He wont be on a burial register.Because he wasn't buried.If the family do contact the registrar of their intentions,then,i cant remember if it gives the death date but it does give His name abode etcetera,it the says cremated and the date.So we are stuck on that one for the time being. Why wasn't he buried with his wife though.I wouldn't think a cremation is that much cheaper than a funeral even without a head stone.I asked the library about sending the Fax i mentioned they said as long as have the info thats O.K .I didn't have the grave number for your grandmother and they needed that.But now i have a Number for Martha so maybe that will give me something.If there had been a gravestone for Martha i would have seen it before now.
Regards Miss Marples + Celia
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Dear Miss Marple alias Celia ;)
Well done in both areas of the Hannah's and Ryan's, I am sorry for having such awkward relations for you to trace and research about.
Re Reginald my Grandfather that you have been searching for the last couple of months and you found him and nows he has disappeared again on you, but I reckon too he is somewhere in Liverpool as well.
I was amazed to know from you his wife was still alive upto the 1970's and who knows how long after, I will research into that one and see what I can find and letoyu know.
Re Martha Agnes Kate Ryan & Joseph well done again, re Joseph being cremated I am not too sure about that as I know my Mums beleif the family did not beleive in cremations as Martha was a strict practising Roman Catholic. Maybe her husband Joseph Edward Ryan beleifs where not as strong as his wifes and he was able to do it as he died 3 years later than his wife.
I am really greatful and amazed to all the research you have done for me and a special thanks to Linda as well as for her connecting me to you.
Hope to hear from you soon
Cheers
Maureenxxx
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English Daisey
I am putting this on here for various reasons,but mainly because rootschats P.M replies take so long to go lately.It times out and i have to re-type it again :-X ;)
Good News at last ;D I found John in the cemetery that i had said was the last place he would be in due to the years of Death.It is the first place i should have looked in the first place,but i am stubborn and checked all the others first ;D Found him in Flaybrick i no time :)
John Hayes Buried December 16th 1912 age 74 Occupation Hydrolicsman 60 Beckwith Street. Parish B/Head M. O.B. Private Grave Sec 7 Grave 280. I had to leave to for the lunch hour so didn't find out who else is in the grave if anyone was.As you know i cant go to this cemetery it far to big and i have never been there.I have a new map of Flaybrick,mine was tatty.So you might be lucky if you request a grave lookup,now it is known exactly where his grave is.If the stone is no longer there let me know.
Happy days
Celia
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Starmum
I have recieved your P.M. re your graves i will get back to you later for some more info and look into it for you :)
Celia
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Maureen
i will have a look in another religion some time next week.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Thankyou, have a great weekend and try to relax no researching ok!!
Cheers
Maureenxx
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Maureen
I cannot find Joseph anywhere in Rake lane at all ,I have looked through it all regardless to religion.I also searched another cemetery,There are only 2 more to look through so he has to be in one of those.I will do that later in the week it's certainly very strange the family burials being separate.Never come across that before ;)Close relatives usually share the same grave.
Celia
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Maureen
As promised i had a look through the Last 2 Cemeteries Landican & Flaybrick For Joseph.In the Non Con & Roman Catholics,he isn't their :( There are two burials for Ryan in 1940 but they lived in the Parish of Birkenhead. Ryan is a common name they probably arnt connected but took them anyway in case they belong to anyone on rootschat.There are quiet a few in the Roman Catholic burials. The ones in 1940 Flaybrick R.C are
Florence Ann Ryan age 22 Wife of Stephen 16 Beckworth Street
Stephen Ryan age 2 son of Stephen 16 Beckworth Street
Both buried Oct 2nd 1940.I didn't take the plot /grave number but if they belong to anyone its no problem to get it.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Thanks for all the hard work most probaly as you said earlier he may had been cremated and thats why you cannot find any record of his burial at least we have his date of death.
Well now I have a missing grandfather Reginald and a missing great grandfather Joseph. I will add their details into the family tree as such.
Thanks again for all the hard work and effort you have put into it, I sincerely appreciate it.
I am at the time being doing some research on one of Josephs daughters the one that helped rear my Mum and a soon as I have what I need re her death etc I will let you know.
Cheers
Maureenxx
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Hi Maureen
Your ancestors come under the Heading of "The invisible one's ;D I haven't forgotten about the two burials in Rake lane.Although there are no stones i will see if i can get some snippits of info for you and find out exactly where the graves are at a later date.Also help with anything else you need to know.
Celia
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Gwerninion
Map as promised,Quality is set on medium so the map is smaller than the oridginal.A4 is to big.ooops that is not supposed to be that big :o i will make it smaller
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Found William Samuel & Winifred both R/C buried in the 1970's Have mailed you ;D
Celia
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Hello Cilia, Could you please do a look up for me?
I'm looking for the burial of Annie Owen(s) she died September 1919 age 31, in Greenfield, Holywell, Flintshire where she was visiting.
She lived in Radstock Rd, Wallasey. So I thought she might be buried in Rake Lane.
Thanks.
Paul.
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Hello Paul
your post came at the right time as i have another rake lane burial to do tomorrow ;D
Do you have a religion please as the the burials on the films go by religion.So it saves time if one is known.
Celia
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Hello Celia
My names Anthony and im from Glasgow I wonder can you find my Grandparents grave
they were from wallasey and were called Joseph and Maggie Isobel hammond and as far as know they are both in Rake lane I would appreciate any help :)
ps Their Religion is Cof E
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Hello Paul
your post came at the right time as i have another rake lane burial to do tomorrow ;D
Do you have a religion please as the the burials on the films go by religion.So it saves time if one is known.
Celia
Thanks Celia, I would think she would be C of E. her Huband William Henry Owen(s) and all his family were C of E. but they are all Bistre, Buckley, Filnts where he is buried. It's a long story but I know they are not buried together. I'll PM you if thats Ok.
Paul
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Hello Pancho
I wonder can you find my Grandparents grave
Hopfully i can but year of death would be very Helpful ;D ;D
Celia
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Paul Re: William
I got your P.M first then the post so disregard burial of William ;D
Celia
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Celia
Approx year for Joseph hammond 1946 and 1948 for maggie isobel they stayed in Stonehouse Road
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Paul Re: William
I got your P.M first then the post so disregard burial of William ;D
Celia
Thats correct Celia you can disregard Williams burial.
William and Annie married I think in Pwllheli in 1906 and had 4 or 5 children. I was wondering if baptism records are kept in the same place as Rake Lane burials? ::) :)
Paul.
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Paul
Baptisms can be looked up in various C.O.E. Churches some in books some on film.There were a lots of Church's but some of them don't seem to have any record any where.
Celia
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Paul
there isnt a burial in September C.O.E for Annie unless she is on the non conformist film.I did look in October as well in case it was a late burial,which does happen in certain circumstances.No luck there though,do you think there might have been an orbit/article put in the paper by family if she was local.They were very informative in those days.
Celia
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Approx year for Joseph Hammond 1946 and 1948 for Maggie Isobel
Pancho
Is it possible for you to go on ancestry and find the year of death for Joseph & Maggie? The reason i ask is, the 1940's are longer than usual,because there were more burials a day and take longer to look through for each person.Plus in one year someone wrote in teeny weeny writing ;D,hard to read. I got halfway through 1947 but found nothing so if you can find the year for Joseph i can go straight to it and find him quickly if he is there.If he isn't i can try Non conformist.
Celia
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Thanks very much for looking Celia.
I have been through the Flintshire papers. I have a full report of the incident, the inquest and coroners report from the Flintshire Observer & News and the County Herald. there are no obituary's in either.
If there is an obit for Annie I would have thought it would be in a Cheshire paper. Do you know the local editions for Wallasey and where they are kept? I might have to have a little trip out.
Thanks again, Celia :)
Paul.
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I have a full report of the incident, the inquest and coroners report
Yes so you said :( i had considered that might be the reason why i cant find her burial.As far as i know a person cannot be buried until the coroner releases the deceased to the family for burial.That could take weeks.depending how long the case went on for. If there is a date for the coroners completed report that might give a clue as to when the case was wound up.P.M me and i will look in the local paper for you,I think i will have a look anyway.I have come across this before when i haven't found a burial.
Celia
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Paul
will put this one on the topic then it makes sense ;D As Promised looked in the local paper.Big long report on Anne Owen In the Wallasey News in September 20th edition.Three long columns,The papers were much smaller in the those years and the print is very small.I read most of it though they are very detailed arnt they.It said one of the children lived with an aunt.One of her children even gave evidence.There wasn't a single mention of a burial,and i looked past that week.It was to early for a cremation, her children must have known where she was buried.I read that Anne was the daughter of one of Bird Family(still around)Do you think she might be buried in one of their graves.Because apart from her sister they were her nearest relatives. I think i will look in St Hilary for you.
Celia
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Hi Celia, it looks like it's much the same as the Flintshire papers.
I appreciate your offer of looking in St Hilary for Annie's burial.
Thanks Celia.
Paul.
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Paul
Annie/Anni Isn't in ST Hilary Sorry :(
Celia
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Thanks for looking Celia. It looks like It's going to be a process of elimination, so I think I'll cross the water and have a little delve about myself.
I'll get a copy of the Wallasey News report to see of there's anything in it that isn't in the Flintshire papers.
You've been a great help Celia. I'f you need any lookups in Flintshire or Denbighshire :)
Paul.
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Hi Celia
Me again ;D
I looked up Charles Owen's widows death cert and wondered if there may be something on there to lead to where they may be buried.
She was Elizabeth Owen and died 25th May 1902 at 88 Woodchurch Road, Birkenhead.
She was living with her daughter and family, her daughter's name Eliza Elizabeth Griffiths.
Don't know if that helps :-\
Cheers
Erika :)
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Hi Erika
Would i be right in saying that you looked up where the death was registered.Rather than the death certificate and if you ordered it would it would it say where she is buried ???
No it wont,(i think that should be added to death certs once obtained by the family)She will probably be with her husband though.
Celia
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Hi Celia
I got all the information off the actual cert.
Cheers
Erika :)
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Hi Erika
My research for your Elizabeth has truly been jinxed today ;D my fault partly, I can now see the funny side now though. Last week I took note that the archives were closed on Friday 26th so it would have to be Thursday.Got to the bus stop and couldn't remember if the 26th was a Thursday or Friday I lost a day somewhere this week, I never checked before I left. I went anyway I asked the man at the desk if the archives were open, no it wasn’t ::) so said I would come back in the morning. They don’t open on a Saturday anymore says he ::)
This afternoon I went to wallasey library (now my knee is better) to look for the burial in Rake lane + other ones, film reader in use ::), right I will look in the churchyard burials and M.I. books non of them are Birkenhead, but you never know I might find Elizabeth.They were not there not a single one??? the reason being very obvious to me. A few months ago someone stole one of the first set of four M.I. books >:(which hadn’t been noticed till I pointed it out.They had been complete a few days before cos I was using them they were only given to the library after years of work, in January? This year. Anyway you have to ask for them now in case the thief comes back for more (I presume) the staff were very busy so I didn’t like to ask for the books one by one. Because there are a lot and it would taken the rest of the afternoon ;D. All because of that +++ thief :(.So no results to day Erika.
Celia
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Hi Celia
What a lovely story ;D. You do have fun and games don't you. Don't worry too much, just whenever is convenient.
Got myself in trouble this week with Peter ::) I inadvertently posted a message which may relate to the living. I hadn't intended it to read the way it did, but I can see why it got put into quarantine. Must phrase things more clearly in future :P
By the way glad to hear your knee is better :)
Take care and have a good weekend
Cheers
Erika
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Hi Erika
I looked for Elizabeth in Flaybrick but she wasn't there i am afraid.Another dead end:( i had previous looked in the burials on the website below.There are Owen in 1870 but no Charles and the records don't go as far as 1902
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb
As i have mentioned before the only place i can think they both might be buried.Is a churchyard in a village, Neston maybe.You never know he might turn up one day,if you ever find let be know.I am doing a bit of reseach on others in Flaybrick cemetery that were not local but are buried there.Just to something to myself and maybe others who's ancestors seem to have evaporated.The ones i have been looking for this year certainly have ;D
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Hi Celia
Many thanks for all your help, never mind as you say they may turn up in a churchyard one day. When I have loads of time I'll take a trip up north and have a good look round :)
Keep up your good work
Cheers
Erika :)
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Hello Celia, you did a burial look up for me last month. Annie Owen(s) Sep 1919.
I found her today Holy Trinity, Hoylake. Sep 19 1919.Age 31 years.
Also found her baptism and the baptisms of her children.
Thanks for looking Celia.
Paul.
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Hello Paul
Thats wonderful news thank you for letting me know
I wonder how she came to buried in Hoylake? but thats another story ;D I wish you lots of luck in your research
Celia
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Hi Celia
Me again ;D
Seeing as Charles Owen has been found at Flaybrick, is there a chance now that his wife Elizabeth is buried there too, ( previous post)?
Only a thought ;)
Cheers
Erika :)
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Hi Erika
I am still gutted at not finding Charles ;D ;D
I do remember there was a problem with the machine at the time.One of 3 of those old ones,they don't have an electronic one :( that wouldn't look out of place in the amusement arcade ;D so maybe i didn't finish the last bit of the search.I will have a look at the weekend for you.
Celia
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Hi Celia
You're very kind, thank you :)
Cheers
Erika
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Pancho
Thank you for replying to My P.M. I think you might not have seen my last post to you.Hence no reply ;D So thought you must have found him. I had started the search but you were uncertain of the death year.I will do your look up during the week ;) from where i left it
Celia
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Hi Celia
Me again
Seeing as Charles Owen has been found at Flaybrick, is there a chance now that his wife Elizabeth is buried there too, ( previous post)?
Only a thought
Cheers
Erika
Erika
I am putting thr reply to that on your other Topic "Where can he be buried" as it is a bit confusing on both topics ;D
Celia
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Second try got a rootschat error message and lost my finished post :(
and the second.
Pancho
I was able to do your lookup, but I can’t find Joseph. I went to 1950.I did find in
1947
Buried May 6th Maggie Isobel Hammond age 58.
Abode 1 Valkyrie Road Wallasey
M.O.B. Third (sub) Sec 13c grave 763.
I found these on the way just in case; D
1947
Buried. 15th July Julia Hammond age 78. Abode 33.Field Road Wallasey(Emanuel) M.O.B 3rd class section 13c grave 222
1950 buried Nov 28th George William Hammond age 86. Abode 66 magazine lane wallasey (Emanuel) sec 8c grave 28
Celia go go go ;D
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Hello Celia
I'm looking for my great grandparents last resting place
DAVIES, David, bap January 11, 1833 -died October 20, 1906
DAVIES, Ellen, bap December 30, 1832 - died May 14, 1910
both of 147 Livingstone Street, Birkenhead (Tranmere area?)
They were not Catholic and were both baptised and married 1859 in the Church of Wales (Anglican).
However their daughter, my grandmother Annie Elizabeth, was married in the Wesleyan Methodist Ebeneezer Welsh Chapel in Birkenhead in 1912 so they may have converted in later life and been buried Non-conformist.
Any help or information much appreciated
Heather in Vancouver
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Hello Heather
Have you any Reason for thinking your G.Grandparents might be buried in a Wallasey Cemetery,rather than One in Birkenhead where they lived?
Celia
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OOOOPS - Have I asked in the wrong place :-[ :-[ :-[
Sorry Celia - don't know my geography very well. Can you advise where I should be looking Please??
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wow you are fast ;D You are in the right place for a rake lane lookup but as said it's in Wallasey.I can look up munisable cemeteriies in Birkenhead as well of course.Will just look in my papers for the names.
Celia
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I'm sorry - I know my aunt said my grandfather is at Landican?? but she doesn't know where her grandparents were buried as it was before she was born. I don't want to put you out... :-\
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Your burials are to early to be in Lanican because that didn't open till 193? There are 6 cemeteries in and around Birkenhead that does not include any Church yards. With the years being 1906 & 1910, I will have a look in Flaybrick as that is an old cemetery.It wont be till Thursday though because the archives are only open a couple of days a week. I could go to the main library,but it isn't convenient for me i am afraid ;) and the other ones dont have them on film.
Celia
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Thank you Celia. Are there MIs for any of the churchyards in the area or anything on line??
Heather
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If there are any M.I's for Birkenhead Church yards they will be in book form The main Library in Birkenheads reference room might have some.I don't know the churchyards in Birkenhead so have never looked at any books.Its sounds to me that if they were welsh they might be in a welsh church Yard.As far as i know there isn't any M.I's for B/Head church yards on the net.Don't think anyone has got round to doing it yet. :)
Celia
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Heather
go to this Genuki website,it gives all the Churchs in Birkenhead.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/birkenhead.html
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thank you very much for your help. I will try the Cheshire Record Office.
Heather
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Re: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up
« Reply #478 on: Thursday 22 November 07 23:51 GMT (UK) »
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Second try got a rootschat error message and lost my finished post
and the second.
Pancho
I was able to do your lookup, but I can’t find Joseph. I went to 1950.I did find in
1947
Buried May 6th Maggie Isobel Hammond age 58.
Abode 1 Valkyrie Road Wallasey
M.O.B. Third (sub) Sec 13c grave 763.
I found these on the way just in case; D
1947
Buried. 15th July Julia Hammond age 78. Abode 33.Field Road Wallasey(Emanuel) M.O.B 3rd class section 13c grave 222
1950 buried Nov 28th George William Hammond age 86. Abode 66 magazine lane wallasey (Emanuel) sec 8c grave 28
Hi Pancho
I have found Joseph at last,
Joseph Hammond Buried March 25th age 69
Abode 12 Rankin Street Poulton
M.O.B. 3rd Sec 13c grave 763
No headstone i am afraid there are a huge amount of blank spaces on 13 c
Cheers Celia
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Celia
Well done I just contacted my mum and you are right enough They did live at 12 Rankin St
In fact she had forgotten all about living there till I mentioned your email .
Glad to see my grandparents buried together and in fact my mums brother is going ti have
a Wooden Cross with plaque on it soon I hope he still lives in wallasey though Im in Glasgow
now mum will have something to visit Thanks for everything Celia I wish the Fire Service were as
dedicated as you so we could find out what area uniform he was wearing in the pic I have of him .
PS If you ever need any help here in Glasgow I will help if possible :) Thanks Again for Everything Celia
Anthony
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HI Heather,
I'm nosing around your old 'look up requests'
Did you solve the whereabouts of the burial of David and Ellen?
I was brought up in Birkenhead. Livingstone street is part of the
Birkenhead district, not Tranmere. Has anyone pointed you in the directiion
of 'Flaybrick Cemetery' Only about a mile from Livingstone St and more
likely to used for local burials at the turn of the century. Its been more or less full for many years and 'Landican' is now the main cemetery. Rake Lane is a
fair distance away.
Regards Curleybill
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Curleybill
Sorry you have lost me who is Heather ???
Celia
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Hi curleybill
"Did you solve the whereabouts of the burial of David and Ellen?"
Thank you for the info re Livingstone Street - as I said my knowledge of Birkenhead leaves a lot to be desired. I was born in Prenton but left at about 18 months old!!
I emailed the Birkenhead Record Office last year and I believe they checked Flaybrick but I am not 100%. The email record is on a currently defunct laptop so I need to revive it to be certain. Need to get that info before sending off again as I don't want to pay twice for the same search.
Heather
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Would you like to P.M each other or do you want me to do a look up. Are you on the right topic :-\
Celia Just found you on another page,cant remember everyone ;D
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Sorry Celia
Curleybill is a new to RC and I should have known better than to respond to him on your territory. It won't happen again.
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Thank you Celia. Are there MIs for any of the churchyards in the area or anything on line??
Heather
Heather
just been through your post to me,i remember now.you were going to look in churchyards but were not sure where to look.And I couldnt help because i dont do churchyards.Did you find the burial you were lookig for.
Celia
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Sorry to keep bothering you Celia. No - as I said to Curleybill I am still trying to get my act together re another search at Birkenhead :-[ I tried asking local relatives but none of them want to know >:( - I'll get there in the end - the G-Gparents aren't going anywhere ;)
Heather
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Sorry Celia
Curleybill is a new to RC and I should have known better than to respond to him on your territory. It won't happen again.
Hope i didnt upset you :-[ I couldnt make out why curleybill was nosing around in heathers request. I thought they got my name wrong ;D ;D
Celia
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No worries ;)
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I tried asking local relatives but none of them want to know -
I know what you mean Heather,you work for years aquiring Burials Marriage, Photo's,ask a relative a question and they dont know.Couldnt care less so dont help.If anyone aske me anything in future about family as if :). I havent got a clue ;D ;D
Celia
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Celia
I could write a book about my current relatives. Some of them were too squeamish/selfish to go to an aunt's funeral in 1996. Consequently they don't even know whether she was cremated or buried - let alone where. Even more hopeless for grandparents and great grandparents - at least they have some excuse for those. My aunt had no family as she lived in Maghull Homes for Epileptic for 45+ years. She faithfully sent all her nephews and nieces birthday cards every year but they didn't even have the decency to pay their last respects. I live 7000 miles away and wasn't even told she had died until long after the event. It makes me really sad and very angry.
Heather
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Hi Celia!! :) :) :)
How have you been??Sorry for not being in contact with you for a while.Just to let you know I have now found the correct details for Joseph Edward Ryan my elusive gr grandfather.
It was my error as the deatils I had given you before as it was the wrong Joseph. :-[
Joseph Edward Ryan died 13 February 1947 spooky (I received the cert yesterday on the 13th)
Age 80 years
Died in 56 Church Road UD (I think this is or was St Catherines Hospital)
Cause of death Myocardial Degeneration
District Birkenhead South
Home Address 11 Demesne St Wallasey
Witness at time of death Eileen M Murphy (My Mum)
If it any help to jog your memory this is what you quoted on an earlier page .........
Now some good news and another problem I found the burial In The Roman Catholic burials, of Martha Agnes Kate Ryan age 62, the address you know,she was buried on 7th January 1937.In the section next to your grandmothers It gives a grave number unlike you grandmothers. The Problem,There is no burial for Joseph
in the October 1/4 I thought maybe he had been cremated and his ashes scattered late .so went through the next year to no avail.It is still possible he might have been cremated and his ashes scattered on his wifes grave. But if the family don't advise the registrar of their intentions to do this.He wont be on a burial register.Because he wasn't buried.If the family do contact the registrar of their intentions,then,i cant remember if it gives the death date but it does give His name abode etcetera,it the says cremated and the date.So we are stuck on that one for the time being. Why wasn't he buried with his wife though.I wouldn't think a cremation is that much cheaper than a funeral even without a head stone.I asked the library about sending the Fax i mentioned they said as long as have the info thats O.K .I didn't have the grave number for your grandmother and they needed that.But now i have a Number for Martha so maybe that will give me something.If there had been a gravestone for Martha i would have seen it before now.
Regards Miss Marples + Celia
Hope you can still or want to help me with this one.
Cheers for now
Maureen
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Hi Maureen
Good to hear from you again,I sent you an email a while back cant remember what about now, or if i got a reply
So we are stuck on that one for the time being.
so now you have come un-stuck,and we can start again ;D with no fumling around in the dark ;D
If it any help to jog your memory
Don't need any Memory jogging for this one ;D
I will get back to you in a couple of days.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Thanks for your quick reply,and just for your records and my elusive Grandfather Reginald Edwin Hannah, you found who had not passed away as according to family lore in 1926 or so, he actually died as you know many years later.
I am in contact with his eldest son who took this photo and is still alive and is now 86 years old and still travelling to Greece for his Christmas holidays.
When I got the photo I was stunned :o as my MUM (got goosepimples now) looked exactly like him.
I have posted a picture of him he is the last one on the right ,and THANKS TO YOU.
You should be very proud of yourself!!! :-* :-*and I want all to know who use your forum that you are the best and an everlasting thanks for giving me a GRANDAD!!!!
I will PM you with the email I received of his son Ronald who took the photo!! Yep at 86 he is a whizz on the computer!!
Cheers & Thanks again
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Aw Maureen
you are so kind ;D,but i wanted to find your family as well and i have ;)
Joseph Edward Ryan was buried in Rake lane on 17th February 1947 in the same section as Martha 2r if i remember rightly.It was entered in the Roman Catholic section.Unfortunately again it is a common grave so no headstone.It gives a grave number but it is a number/number and i am not sure what that means. As that plot seems to have a lot of common burials it might take time to find out where the grave it. But at least we now know where he is at last ;D I love the photo it must have been a shock for you to recieve it and actualy know what he and his family looked like.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Many thanks again for finding where he is buried and again you where correct even tho I gave you the wrong details in the beginning.
It doesnt matter that there isnt a headstone as remember you posted me a couple of photos of where his wife Martha Agnes Kate Ryan is buried and that is suffice so he will be close by.
Re the photo it is of my Grandfathers second family with his wife,son & daughter in law.
Cheers for now and see you soon.
Many many thanks again for all your hard work!!
Maureenxxxx
PS I will PM you now re the info of Reginald etc.
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Hello Celia,
I hope you can help me, I am trying to find where my grandfather is buried for my father. My father would like to visit his grave before he dies (he has cancer).
We live in Hampshire.
Information i have is:
Name: Isaac John Nixon
Born: 1895
Died: April 1934.
My father believes he is buried in Wallasey main cemetery.
I look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Darren
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Hello Darren
Welcome to rootschat,I am so sorry to hear about your Father.I will do my best to find the grave for you,Do you have a religion for him C.O.E. Or Catholic that helps to look in the right place.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
Thanks for the reply.
Grandfather was C.O.E
Regards,
Darren
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Darren
I didn't find him In the C.O.E. Section so i looked in the Non.Con.There isn't a burial for an Issac John Nixon in April but there is one for Issac Nixon (which looks like Nixson at first glance)age 36 buried 28th March 1834.Abode 6 Leominster Road,that is off Mill Lane in Liscard.I looked in St Hilary as well but noting there. Because the death was late in the month of March the entry didn't get to the records till April.So is this him do you think?
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Do you mean 28th March 1934 not 1834?
I've spoke to dad and he's pretty sure that's him, he knows he died in his 30s early 1934, I'll let you know.
Thank you
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Darren
Yes i did mean 19 not 18 sorry ::) like most of us on rootschat we spend most of our time in the eighteen hundreds and automatically put 8 instead of 9.Looks like i have the right one then,if it's nice tomorrow i will have a look and see if there is a gravestone.
Celia
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Darren
Although it is a nice day up here in the north,it is absolutely freezing with the icy wind from the sea.So far to cold for walking on frozen grass ;D While i am waiting for your confirmation,I have been trying to establish if the Issac i found is the right one.By looking for his birth but i cannot find it anywhere.Correct me if i am wrong,but if Issac was 36 when he died in 1934 wouldn't that have made his birth year 1898 not 1895 maybe the wrong age was entered in the burial record though..I cant find him in any county,was he born in England I have looked under Nixon & Nixson with no results.
Celia
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Hi,
He was born in Sunderland. Dads not 100% certain on birth date he knows it was 189? and he died in his 30s. He died before dad was born.
Thankyou for all of this.
Darren
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Darren On impulse i went to the library to look up something and found it had gone a bit warmer when i came out.So decided to look for a head stone, sadly there isn't one there is half a row of blank space but luckily all the men were out.
So one had a look the grave map for me and was able to show me where the grave was. Approximately,I Have to go back to the cemetery tomorrow to meet one of them,so if it is of any use i will take a photo of the spot and mark it on the photo.There is just one lone headstone on the right of the row and it is next to it.
In the Library i looked in the voters registers for 1933
Living at number 6 Leominster Road were
Edward Francis Every J
Olive Avery
Issac Nixon
Lily Eleanor Nixon
Celia
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Celia you are a STAR ;D
I asked dad and Lily is his Mum
we cannot thank you enough
A photo would be great.
If i give you my email address can you give me your address??????
Darren and a over the moon Dad!!!!!!!!!!
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Darren
I was sorry there was no stone but least you know where he lies.If you would like me to find anymore family graves i will be happy to have look. You can P.M your email so i can send you the photo.You will get mine then.
Celia
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Don't be sorry i don't think we would of found it without your help.
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Darren
I have now sent your photo's hope you get them O.K my emails been a bit strange this last couple of weeks.I send photos that go, then i am informed that the recipient hasn't received them ::). So i have to send again,they never come back to me.So they are still out there somewhere in the great somewhere ;D
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I have not recieved any photos
I'll pm my address again
Darren
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I have sent them again to the same email as B.4
Celia
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I'm sorry Celia but i still have not recieved photo.
Would it be posible to post it here??????
Darren
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Where are they going ???have you got an email filter,does you email in box need emptying? I made the photo smaller for the email hope they come out a good size on here :-\
Celia
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Thank you Celia.
I have checked my spam emails not there.
Darren
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This is the message that was on the to emails you didnt get ::)
Hi Darren
The man that showed me where the grave was yesterday,i realized it couldnt be there because the other man had previously told me it was on the edge( the grave number are a mish mash).And i saw it on the map myself also there would not have been the room before the edge.But i have worked out approximatly where it is,it was facing outwards I have put a dot in the place.Amazingly i passed another Plinth only grave stone on the way down to sec 13g it was on the catholic plot though.I cant say i have come accross any Nixon in my reseach.So i took it just in case they might be related
Anna Isabel Nixon died 1913 there is also a William Joseph On the top,but the small metal letters dividing the 2 names have fallen off.
Celia
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Darren have sent you an email with an added word for a test that word wasnt on the email.So just was just wondering :-\
Celia
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Celia,
Thank you for everything you have done for my family.
Can i recap
Buried 28th March 1934 at Wallasey cemetery
Plot 13G
Lived no. 6 Leominister road.
Darren
P.S still no email. You could pm me yours an try that way?
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Recap correct i will send my email just need to find the problem because it has happen before,but it usually arrives second time ;D
Celia
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Hello Celia,
I received your email thanks.
I'm trying to find a phone number for Rake lane but cannot find one.
Dad wants to find out if he can place a plaque where the grave is, could you help me again please?
Many Many thanks
Darren
;D
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Hi Darren
There is no-one in attendance in Rake lane only the grave workers. You need to contact Landican Cemetery in Woodchurch Birkenhead The main office where anything to do with burials and graves are arranged from.Yes you can put a memorial stone on the grave plot there are hundreds of them.They will put it in the exact place.The office number for Landican is 051 6772361.
Celia
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Thank you ;D
I will keep you informed on our progress and when we come up to visit the grave maybe meet you and thank you personally.
Darren
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sigrid7
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rake lane cemetery lookups
« Sent to: Celia on: Today at 14:28:02 »
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Hi Celia, I would like help with some burial lookups, at Rake Lane cemetery, for which I have the year they died. Is it OK to post the information on here? Thanks very much.
Hi Sigrid Welcome to Rootschat
as you can see i have transfared you burial lookup request from the personnel mail you sent.This is because information sent/received cannot be kept in one place like on the Look up Topic board.I will P.M you to tell you this.Put your information on this topic by pressing Reply.See you soon
Celia
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sigrid7
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: rake lane cemetary lookups
« Sent to: celia on: Today at 18:27:38 »
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Hi Celia, thanks you very much for agreeing to look for me. I have four names I would like information on, and I have been as specific as I can regarding the dates. I hope this is alright. and I am not asking too much. If I am, I apologise, and just do what you can. Any problems, please email me, regards
Edith May Davies d April 1953
Mary Ann Sayle d 1990
Nellie Ryan d Q3 1943
Albert Edward Lawley d Q4 1950
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Hi Sigrid
No you are not asking to much but can you reply on the topic please it's easier just click on reply on the post not the P.M at the side;D What religion were these people please so i can look in the right place.
Celia
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Hi Celia, thanks for your help, they are C of E, sorry I forgot to tell you,
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Sigrid
no the post didnt arrive on here,but you have done well :) Rootschat takes a bit of time to get round.
See you soon,sort of ;)
Celia
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Celia, My Great Grandfather: Robert Davies : circa; 1833 Died on Fifteenth of February 1898 aged 65 years at 53 Vulvan Street, Birkenhead (off Laird Street). As far as I know he was not Catholic. I would very much appreciate a look up if you are able to pinpoint the cemetary that he may have been buried in.
Thank you
Kathb
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sorry to join in this conversation.
But I have in my records that Robert was buried in the C of E section of Flaybrick Cemetery on 19 Feb 1898 section 11 no: 155, he was a gardener.
I have this info because I am interested in the Davies name for the Wirral/Birkenhead/Liverpool.
Mel :)
buried in the grave, theres a
Fanny Davies buried 19 June 1916 aged 77 lived at 53 Clifton Road
and
Charles Davies aged 39 buried 31 Jan 1917 living 8 Lingdale Road also a gardener
This is just from my own look ups on the Davies name.
I will look at who else maybe in the grave tomorrow.
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Mel
You beat me to it ;D i was just about to say if he died in Birkenhead.He would most probably be in Flaybrick as that is older and local.Its where i always look first ;D
Celia
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Celia and Mel thank you both so very much for your help.
Mel, the people you have in your records of the Davies Family Birkenhead are as follows:
Robert Davies; my great grandfather
Fanny (Frances) Davies: my great grandmother
Charles Davies: my grandfather
My mother Esther Pearl Davies was Charles Daughter
Robert Davies has proved one of the most difficult to trace in my family tree. I finally found the correct death certificate, but blowed if I can find his birth or marriage. I do know who he married and her origins and that one of her nieces also married into the Davies Family.
There is another Davies family that marries into this one - via Isabella James Beatrice Davies b:L'pool circa1839 who married James Lewis in 1862. James Lewis is also a great grandfather of mine.
I do hope that we have some connections, please do let me know.
Regards
Kathb
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Hi Kath
If you have a lot of Davies in your tree and they died in Birkenhead they are more than likely to have been buried in Flaybrick Especially 1800's.Rather that Rake lane.People usually,but not always get buried in the aria they live.So if yours died in Birkenhead and Mel has her own collection of Davies from Flaybrick.You could P.M her and she might have them.
I wish Rake Lane had the same facility as Flaybrick whereby once you find one burial and grave number you can just find the grave number on the film and it gives others in the grave.It doesn't though :( so you have to search one by one.Thats why you really need the approximate year for Rake Lane.If they lived this side of the river(you have to gross over a bridge to get to Birkenhead)Then they might be in Rake lane ;D
Celia
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Sigrid
Albert Edward Lawley age 74
Buried 1st November 1950
51 Edgmond Street Secombe
M.O.B . 2nd Class Plot 17 C grave 287
I was positive it said Edgmond Stree, but I have checked
My street map to see if it’s still there but it isn’t. It will be
On his death cert though
Edith May Davies age 42
Buried 28th April 1953. 14 Lancaster Avenue Liscard
M.O.B 2nd class sec 17 Grave 539
Nellie Ryan age 58
Buried 27 September 1943
M.O.B 2nd class sec 16.
The above was difficult to read, and it wouldn’t enlarge, two different hands making entries, one with tiny writing which this one was.
Plus this particular film copy is on blue cellophane ::)
The address is 11 and it looks like Dreadle street Secombe but again i cant find it as for the grave number I dont know what its supposed to say it has two dashes on the line well below the next letter one. Sorry about that,maybe i can find a better copy elswere. I didnt do Mary Ann Sayle 1990 because i dont think the burial go that far unless they have gone further, the last year i know of was the 1960's I will follow that up though.The staff were busy so didnt want to bother them again.
Celia
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Hi Celia, thanks very much for doing the lookups. You did very well, considering they weren't easy to read. I can also research the street names now, and see if I can find anything for them.
I have four other people I want to find buriels for, but I haven't a clue as to their death dates. When I was subscribed to ancestry I found a possible for one of them, for West Cheshire, although I think all four lived in the Wallasey/ Seacombe area. I don't know what cemetary/ies is/are covered for West Cheshire area.
Thanks very much again, glad to have some more information for my files. :)
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I have four other people I want to find buriels for, but I haven't a clue as to their death dates.
When you find them you know where i am ;D
Happy hunting
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I visited Rake Lane Cemetery on Saturday, and found some of the graves I wanted.
In one section 14g, I came across headstones, from before Rake Lane was opened. Looking at my family tree, I have them buried in Liscard Congregational Churchyard. Is this the section I would find most from the other Churchyard or are they dotted about all over.
Thanks
Mel
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Hi Mel
Remind me whose headstones did you find ;D
I came across headstones, from before Rake Lane was opened. Looking at my family tree, I have them buried in Liscard Congregational Churchyard. Is this the section I would find most from the other Churchyard or are they dotted about all over.
The problem of another church yards headstones in Rake Lane,cropped up a couple of years ago.No one seems to know anything about the records,where the stones were put which plot,where they destroyed,we never found out.Rake Lane (from the horses mouth ;D was badly planned.I think your best option is to Phone or visit Landican office and ask there.Because you cannot do a thing in Rake Lane without permission.So they MUST have a record of where the headstones are.
Hope this is of some help :)
Celia
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I didnt do Mary Ann Sayle 1990 because i dont think the burial go that far unless they have gone further
They do go past the 60's the film looks new :)
Celia
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Well looking at the map,, typical woman, I had to walk around the church a few times lol.... but now I have my bearings and will be back. :D
But the map can be confusing lol. I dont get lost with others :P
sent you the headstones in an email Celia.
Pity not like Landican and put all St Mary's in one place....pity councils didnt learn full stop.... I wonder if the bodies are still interred in Liscard just the headstones removed..... :o
I know that has happened in Sheffield General Cemetery. Council wanted to make it a public garden so destroyed headstones. Now it just looks like Birkenhead park. So annoying. >:(
Mel
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Hi Celia, thanks for letting me know that past the 60's the film is new, I take it that the 90's aren't done? Are there any plans to continue or is that it, do you know at all?
Thanks very much again,
sigrid
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Sigrid
Someone told me last week that most of the burials had been upgraded.They now go to around 2000 So it will include Rake Lane as well. The latest look up year i have been asked is the 1950's so thats all i ask for :) Do you have one you need looking up?
Celia
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Hi Celia, yes please :) If it is possible can you look for Mary Ann Sayle 1990? C of E, I think.
Thanks very much,
regards,
sigrid
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Sigrid
Have taken note I will get back to you on that :)
Celia
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Hi Sigrid
I found Mary Ann,I will P.M You the detalis.I would have sent it sooner but i have been trawling through Landican for 196? ;D then Flaybrick Hill.
Celia
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Dear Celia
A nice lady called Ann - a member of Cheshire Roots Web recommended I get in touch with you as a Wirral burials expert :) I am struggling to find the whereabouts of my Great Uncle's burial and she suggested that you might be able to help please?
Great Uncle's name was George Eaton and he died 8/4/1960 in The Royal Infirmary, Liverpool. However, he lived on Manor Hill in Birkenhead. I believe he was CofE but not certain. His wife was Alice I Eaton and she died 29/3/1984 at home, 82 Manor Hill, Claughton, Birkenhead.
I went to Birkenhead Central Library earlier in the week and searched Landican, Flaybrick and Wallasey records around the time of their deaths but to no avail. I have never searched burial records before so maybe I missed something but if you could offer any assistance in finding their whereabouts I would be eternally grateful.
Photo of George attached for inspiration!
Best wishes
Barbara
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Hello Barbara
Welcome to rootschat,sorry about the late reply i have been of-line since the 23rd i only got back on the other night.If George only died in 1960 there is a possibility that he was cremated in Landican.There for you will not find a burial for him.I do not think he will be in Rake lane because people usually choose to be buried in the place they live.Do you know where Alice is buried if not also cremated.I will see if i can find an orbit for Alice or George because that will give the burial info.It wont be till next weekend though.I looked for a burial recently for a man who lived in B/Head i didn't find him.Till i decided i might as well look in all cems available nothing ventured,nothing found, as they say ;D.He was in a West Kirby Churchyard ::)Will get back to you next weekend
Celia
Celia
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Barbara
I have noticed you havent been on-line since you posted your request.Do you still need help intrying to locate the burial?if so please let me know at the latest wednesday.
Celia
Barbara Has gone A.W.O.L. ;D ;D
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Hello,
Not sure if anyone can provide any information on this, but it appears this forum is as close as I have ever come to this answer ?
I was born in Wallasey in 1954, and my family lived in Fountain Lodge, on Fountain Road (just behind Rake Lane), and we lived there until we moved to Kenilworth on 1961.
My mother and I emigrated to Canada in 1968 after my father passed away in Kenilworth.
The house was owned by my fathers employer I believe, a gentleman by the name of Teddy Heron ? who owned either a garage or an automobile dealership of some kind called Heron Motors ?
At the time we lived there, there was a church and graveyard adjacent to our house, separated from our garden by a brick wall.
Looking now on Google Earth, botht he Lodge House and the Church are gone ?
Does anyone have either information on the Church name and what happened to it ? or any photos available of the Fountain Lodge House ?
Any information would be appreciated...
Sincerely
Richard Winnington
Fort McMurray
Alberta
Canada
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Hi Richard
I did some research on the same house a couple of years ago.There is new block of Nice flats there now,I don't know if it is coincidence or not,but when the builders where clearing the site.I said to one of the men,don't suppose there's any chance of you leaving this bit of history is there?The bit of history was the one stone Gatepost with Fountain Lodge carved into it.It is still there,I had never noticed it before until one day when i passed someone had painted it very nicely in gloss paint.I have a photo of it on my disk.The The garage was demolished it was Fountain Garage but on the side high up on the building was a big old metal sign Heron Motors. As for the Church if i remember rightly it was demolished in the 70's More later
Celia
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Thanks Celia.....
I have a few memories of the old house, I know that as a child, I was scared to death of going upstairs to bed at night, so old, dark and creaky.
If you have any pictures, they would be nice to see .
I did manage to find an old class picture on line, of Vaughn Road school, where I went for my first few years...quite nostalgic...
Thanks
Richard
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I was never able to find a photo even though i searched lots of books and references.These 2 are some i took 2005 I think :-\
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I cant put the photo of the Garage up,it keeps telling me i already have of one with same name ::)
Celia
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Andrew
I forgot to tell you that the Name Fountain,still lives on The Nice flats the were built on the site. Are Fountain Court.I am chuffed you have brought these now gone buildings up again.Because i have by chance found some new info that was under my nose all the time ;D ;D Hope you like the photo I had forgotten that i had framed it,I had a fad at the time and framed all my photo's ;D
Celia
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Hi Celia
Sorry for not replying sooner - I have been in Turkey for two weeks holiday and only returned to UK this evening.
I have no idea where George or Alice are buried and have just found that their only daughter died in 1998 so no leads at all!
I would be grateful for any help or advice you can offer please?
Huge thanks
Barbara
PS If you need any further info please let me know.
Thanks again
B
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Hi Barbara
I have been in Turkey for two weeks holiday and only returned to UK this evening.
Yes so mel told me,there was I thinking you had got lost in the Jungle that is rootschat.It does happen :)What with you being away and me being off-line for nearly three weeks i will have to read your post again ;D Celia
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Barbara
Because Alice died at the end of the month which was a Friday? there would not have been time to send a orbit for the midweek addition.So i looked at the weekend Saturday.Friday April 6th & 14th April,i didn't find any mention though so possibly in the Wednesday edition.When looking for an orbit in some papers, set outs (they changed as the years went by)You have the Orbit column and it is just that, as well as the abbreviated obituary word.The orbits are short as well 3 liners mostly ;D then you might get obituaries more information.Its always best and i have always done it :) to read all the pages Articles reporting the death.That might say Sad passing of, or a headline that you wouldn't read,that you should have done.I can vouch for that ;D AS I have mentioned they could have been cremated. By the 1980's the obituaries seem to confirm it, out of a long column only 2 went to Flaybrick and one buried in Landican the rest were all cremated.I will be in hospital for a few days by the time Birkenhead library re-opens.I never go there anyway its off my bus route.So Mel might look in the weekly birkenhead news for you
Celia
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Hi Barbara and Celia
I went to Birkenhead Library today and there is no Obit in the Birkenhead news. I looked till the end of April. I still have to check the echo.
Barbara when you went to Birkenhead Library did you check all denominations for Landican.
Now for Alice, is her death also April 1984. I havent looked for an obit. I will be going back to Birkenhead library tomorrow and will look for it.
regards
Mel
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Now for Alice is her death also April 1984
Alice I Eaton Died 29th March 1984.George Eaton died 8th April 1960 ;)
Celia
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Dear Celia and Mel
Thank you for your help! Mel I'm sorry if I've confused you on dates ???. Yes - when I went to Birkenhead Library I checked all denominations in Landican and also Flaybrick for both George and Alice's deaths but no record.
I am most keen to find anything on George's burial/obit etc. I've just found out that he was a mason - would that have any bearing on where he was buried I wonder? I found out by contacting his daughter's nephew who was the information on her death cert. Luckily he was still at the same address 10 years on. He's given me a few papers that George's daughter had but we still don't know where George is buried.
Like you say Celia - George and Alice may have been cremated.
I also found out that George and Alice were married in a methodist church in Birkenhead but it has no graveyard etc.
Thanks again
Barbara
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Richard
Are you still around :) I have now compleated,well nearly ;D my long research on the lay of the land.That was Fountain Lodge with the church next door.With thanks to a bit of a large Road map in 1953.It also gives me the information that has puzzled me for 2 years ;D
Celia
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Richard Winnington
are you still around
Celia
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Hello.
If you are still doing lookups for Rake Lane, can you put me on your list for the following please?
Lilian Edwards 1955
William Edwards 1946
Ellen Davies 1948
Ellen Davies 1951
I think they were all Church Of England.
Thank you very much,
bones
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Hi Bones
Request Logged ;) I will get back to you on that with my findings.
Celia
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Hi Bones
I found them all,would have got back sooner but only just had time to get back on the P.C.
I didn't find William Edwards at first because there wasn't one,but with you giving the correct year for each one.There was a William Edward Leigh in 1946.So maybe that is him :-\
The abode on that made me smile all that was missing was turn right at the lampost ;D The Ellen Davies 1948 i could not make out the road name and it isn't familiar.I will look in my street directory and see if i can find it.I will P.M you with the finding shortly.Let me know on here if you think William is the right one.
Celia
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Thank you very much for the superfast reply. I wasn't expecting it to be this fast.
I don't think the William one is the right one. I have checked for a quarter of the year and it was quarter 4.
I am presuming that they are Church of England, but I don't know. I don't know if the records you have access to are just those.
I have no idea about the addresses, you seem to know more than me!
Thanks again,
bones
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Hi Bones
I will go through the film again,some of the writing is hard to read because the writing is so small.Now you have given me the 1/4 i can home in on him and not have to go through the whole 12 months.Yes they were C.O.E
I wasn't expecting it to be this fast.
you just got lucky because i had another to do, Different cem ;)
Celia
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Bones i hired the machine again and looked through the 4th 1/4 very carefully.It is as i said though. William isn't there,so we must take it that he was cremated.Landican had opened by then.
Celia
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:)Thanks very much Celia, for checking this out again.
bones
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Hi again Bones
there is an alternative in finding William,I will P.M you.
Celia
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Hi Bones
I cant be bothred looking through my P.M's for yours ::) I get loads of P.ms ;D so for now a question for you.I am trying to cut down on the my search.You have given me the 1/4 that William was registered (not died).I have had a look at the index for the G.R.O. Registrations This isn't one for a William Edwards in that quarter for 1946.However there are 2 registered in the first 1/4 of 1947. William H Edwards & William E Edwards.If we can find the right month it will mean i don't have to search all Oct Nov & DEC which is 12 of the mentioned.
Question where did you get your William in 1946.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
I got it off ancestry when I was subscribed. 1946 OCt, Nov, Dec. (I printed it off), was the registration. So I don't know when he actually died.
Don't worry about it, I don't think I am meant to find it :(
regards, bones
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Cant understand that bones,i i went through the index on Find my past and it just gives the names of folk registered in what 1/4 (you can view the original at a price) i looked through the whole 1/4 as said but nothing there.Don't give up ;D I f i don't find him,he must have been cremated.I will get back to you on that.
Celia
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Bones I am sending you a P.M
Celia
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Hi Celia
This is my first post so hope it works ok! I've visited the cemetery with area and grave number (8C and 193) but no standing tombstone and the grave numbers don't follow consecutively al the time so we couldn't work out which plot it was so we could have investigated to see if there was a horizontal tombstone, as the grass seems to have covered a lot of them. Do you know if there is a plan of where specific numbered graves are and if so where it is? Thanks for any advice you could give.
Val
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Hello Val
well done for your first post,i am not sure what you mean by you couldn't find the Plot The plot as you say is 8c,so you were trying to work out were the grave on the plot was ;D ;D
I know what you mean about the stones not running in order ;)8c is to the left of the main entrance as you will know
Do you know what mode of burial it was?if was common there never was a grave stone,other graves simply didn't have one because the family couldn't afford one.Today there should be no covered gravestones most have been dug out the last 18months,Unless the grave keepers have let the grass grow over them again.
Do you know if there is a plan of where specific numbered graves are and if so where it is?
First question,yes there is. Where is it? it is under lock and key and is only for the use of the grave diggers,not for the public.I have found a few myself with help(when i put my sweet smile on)If you have long legs you can find a grave in 2 strides.I will P.M you for some info
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks for your replies - it said that I couldn't send personal messages so I couldn't reply that way to your P.M. I will contact Landican as you suggested. I live in Wolverhampton, not on the Wirral, but we come up fairly regularly to visit my father-in-law who lives in Liverpool.
Some of the horizontal stones on the graves were fairly covered by grass so I suppose there might be a chance that there is one and it's covered over. The last known person to be buried in there was in the 1950's and he'd been living with his daughter, so I was hoping that something might have been put up then, at least.
They were 3rd class burials. What do the different classifications mean?
The first person to be buried in the plot had originally been buried by a public burial in section 7C, but was reburied in 8C a month later with a 3rd class burial. Were people from different families buried together in the same grave when it was a Public burial?
Many thanks for your help,
Val
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Hi Val
sorry i forgot you cant send a P.M.yet,you have to have a certain amount of post.
The first person to be buried in the plot had originally been buried by a public burial
Yes that was the burial i mentioned,no gravestone.
Were people from different families buried together in the same grave when it was a Public burial?
Yes,
I cant remember at this time the different classifications, off hand, but as well as the four modes there is also private.
Third class is one up from a Public grave i think,I will do a bit investigating for you and get back tomorrow.
What do the different classifications mean?
Basically it depends what the family could afford at the time of the burial.Public no headstone or curb's up to Private where the grave had both and was on a private plot.The graves tended by the cemetery workers for years to come.who were probably left money in the will for the grave.
Celia
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Hi Val
can you post a few more posts (anywhere on rootschat) to get them up so i can contact you.That includes your replies on here.
I have found the exact location of Grave 193 and all on section 8c,and as i have said there is no grave stone.Its been that long since i have had a grave look up request(not many these days on here) I forgot the grave maps are available.Anyway I also found the meaning of the 1st sec & third mode.I will await your reply ;)
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks for your reply - look forward to hearing what you find out.
Val
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Hi Celia
I posted that reply before I'd read the one where you said that you'd found the exact location of the grave - that's very exciting, thank you very much! How did you find out? Can you describe where it is?
How many posts do I need to make?
Val
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Hi Val
I think i was having a Dim Day when i said about you posting more post so you could reply.It must be the pills,i have been laid up all week ::) I can still contact you,so i will send another P.M with my email. Would you believe there are 382 graves on the section.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I am trying to find the burial place of a John Curtain Daly who died aged 85 in 1894 at Wallasey. The family were catholics as far as I know. Good second name that don't you think? :D
If it is any help, I think the family were very wealthy and at one time owned Marymount which became the convent in Mill lane. Some members of the family are buried at the back of St Albans church which bothers me a bit because a lot of graves were moved to Landican when they built the school I think?
Any help is appreciated as always.
Alan
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Oh That Alan ;D ;D
I have just replied to the email you sent me ;D
Do you want to continue on the topic or by email :-\
Celia
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The family were catholics as far as I know
If they were buried in St Albans They were,
Celia
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The family were catholics as far as I know
If they were buried in St Albans They were,
Celia
Email is fine by me, just didn't want to upset you ;D Re above, true but I take nothing for granted because my great grandparents were Catholic but my grandmother was a protestant and brought up her children as protestant. You can bet it caused no end of trouble in those days. Think they were disowned and someone else inherited all the money. :'(
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You may be interested in this chap. He is of the same family and my friends great grandfather. A survivor of the Titanic no less. :o
http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-biography/peter-dennis-daly.html
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Hi Alan
I will look for the burial first,during the week, I wasn't aware there was a Marymount convent in Mill lane ???
The other info you asked is off topic and will take some digging, so we will do that on email ;D.
Celia
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Wow Alan
What wonderful information to have on you tree,
Celia
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Hi Alan
I will look for the burial first,during the week, I wasn't aware there was a Marymount convent in Mill lane ???
The other info you asked is off topic and will take some digging, so we will do that on email ;D.
Celia
Marymount was situated where the car park is now. Right opposite St Albans church.
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Celia, Are you still looking up burials. I am looking for my grandparents and great grandparents who I believe were buried at Rake Lane
Charlotte Julia Beeby -died September 1963
Robert John Beeby - died May 3rd 1925
Jacob Beeby - died 1915
Susannah Beeby (unsure when she died - sometimes in the 1940's)
Hope you can help as we vistied the cemetery today from Bolton and it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack
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Quick find out what religion because Celia will ask that next. :D Good name to find I would have thought?
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Mind reader ;D ;D I just wrote post to ask that and my computer froze :(
You know who ;D
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as far as I know they are all C of E
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Hello DoolBB
Welcome to Rootschat,yes i am still digging,You say you visited the cemetery today,Did you know the library was nearby,and you could have looked for the burial.Then hopfully found the grave. Do you know the religion please ::)
The different religions have their own film.I wont be able to look for the last person it will mean looking through all the the 1940's
If you can find the death I am happy to look. It will be Thursday when i can do the others
Celia
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Dear Celia
I have just gone through all my information and I have found the date of my great grandmother's (Susannah Beeby) death - it was December 1943 - Hope this helps
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Thank you DoolBB thats great ;D
Celia
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DoolBB
I didn't see Jacob but i have found the others ;D I will P.M them to you later.There doesn't appear to be any grave stones and they are in different graves on different sections.so must be different branches. I had a look to see if there was any orbits for any of them,but not a single entry for any Beeby.
Celia
A P'S addeded later ;D I forgot to say that altough you didnt give me an Isabella Beeby I found one.Beeby isnt a name i have come across before.So i thought she might be related.
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Celia
Looking at the PM you sent - Robert and Charlotte seem to be together which is as it should be
Once agin many thanks for your time and trouble which has made my job easier even though there is no stone at least I will know where they are
DoolBB
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Hi Celia
Could you do a Rake Lane look up for me please?
Its for:
John Ambler, died 11 Oct 1917 and
Elizabeth Ambler, died 30 Sept 1933.
They were married, but John is buried with his first wife Margaret who died in 1893.
Many thanks.
Helen
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Hello Helen
If Margaret is in Rake lane do you want me to find her burial details as well while i am there? or do you have them?
Celia
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Hi Celia
Yes please, if you do find Margaret's details, I'd like to have them just to make the record coplete.
Many thanks.
Helen
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Helen
am going to P.M you the results,it was just as well i thought to look for Johns first wife Margaret.Because he isn't buried with her he is with Elizabeth.I thought that was a bit Off,while Second wife was still living ;D
I could not read the street name for Elizabeth the writing was tiny but it was number 10. Same place and same amount of letters. So I have presumed it said Water hope i presumed right.
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks ever so much for sending me the information re the Ambler burials. I'm not sure where I got the mis-information about who John was buried with - it was jotted on a piece of paper from years ago! Sorry about that! It was a second marriage for both John and Elizabeth, so I just thought they must have had an agreement to be buried with spouse no. 1! And yes, the address IS 10 Water St. That was the family home and where my grandmother was born in 1908.
Thanks again for all your help and hard work.
Best regards
Helen
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Your welcome.
If you live in or near Wirral you might find a orbit for them sometime.
Celia
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Actually I'm not that far away up the motorway, but my brother lives in Heswall. Sadly he's one of those people who's not remotely interested in family history or "the past" as he calls it. It's a shame as we have other branches from Raby, Bebington and Parkgate and I could do with him doing a bit of research for me, but there's not the remotest chance of that happening unfortunately!
Thanks again,
Helen
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Hi Celia
I have just found this site on Rake lane Cemetry, Could you do a look up for me, My Grandfather Henry Etherington is Buried there around 1963-4?,also his Wife Jane in 1946/7,he used to work at this cemetry as gardener/grave digger in the 1930/40's? mabe even earlier,I also think my mums last child was buried in the bottom of grandmothers Coffin in Jan 1954(age 4-5weeks old).all Church of England I think, also I noticed you had a site on MN Mi's,well I have been searching for info on my uncle Albert,who was lost at sea some time between 1939 and middle of 1941, all I know is that he went to sea with my dad on convoy's in WW11,and was lost,so if you come up with anything on these family members it would be gratfully appreciated.
regards
Albert Etherington-----------Hamilton Canada
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Hello Albert
A lot of my request come from abroad so i am always glad to help ;D I will do your look-ups, then later i will see if i can find any info on your uncle Albert. My dad was also lost at sea,on the Malta convoy early 1943. The Etherington name is ringing bells for some reason.I will get back to you in the next couple of days.
Celia
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Hi again
Thanks for the reply,the Etherington name might be because my Granddad worked at Rake Cemetry as a gardener for a lot of years,and he lived in a house that backed onto the Cemetry at 14 Grange Ave??
again many thanks
Albert Etherington--------------Canada
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Albert
I came across something interesting today, is the name Frederick W. Etherington your relation His wife was named Queenie ( a nick name for Elizabeth i think)Frederick died in tragic circumstances.I cant put to much on here I will send you some info if they are yours
Celia
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Hi Celia
Yes that is my uncle Fred & Auntie Queenie,he Is my dads elder brother, And I did hear that he died tragically some time around 1973/4, he lived in Egremont the last time I heard about him, I had not seen him since the 50's my dad used to take us to see him and his family every 2 weeks back then, so I would like to here what you have found on him,thanks
regards
AL Etherington----------Canada
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Albert
I just checked in for my overseas post,they come in during our night.I will send you what i found and explain tomorrow
Celia
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ok and thanks
AL
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Hi Celia
I think I gave you a bit of wrong information on my Mothers last child buried sorry, she was put in the coffin with my wifes mother Amy Ryan who was buried at Rake lane in 1951/2,and I think that she (Amy Etherington) was also buried with them in 1982/85. I got thinking after I sent you that information that something was not quite right,so have been searching through the reams of paper,that I have compiled over the last ten years :-[
regards
AL Etherington-----------------Canada
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Albert
thanks for the update I have to go back to the burial lookups tomorrow. I did look for Jane in 1946/7 but she wasn't in 1947 and 1946 was split on 2 films.It was getting late and i didn't have time.I will get back to you tomorrow i am also hoping i can find a newspaper report about Frederick.
Celia
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Hi Celia
Ok Thanks
I found some more of my Notes (scratchings) both of these I had a ? mark against them, so not sure if they are correct, or it is them. and thats all I can find,
Jane Etherington 2nd Qtr 1947 age 64 ?
Henry Etherington 4 Qtr 1963 age 76 ?
all the best
AL Etherington----------------Canada
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Albert
I have found Jane & henry,but there are no Ryan burials at all C.O.E. in the given years.So they might be on the Non.con film,i had thought to find Amy Etherington to give me clue to the burial Section,of the first Amy.Unfortunately it would take too long looking for a burial month by month over 4 years on a film.So can you narrow the death down for Amy E and see if you can find a registration.Then i can look in the Non Con burial registers
Celia
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Hi Celia
I have found my notes on my mothers death she died 29th Dec 1981 and Reg. 1st Qtr 1982 (37/1168 ?) also I forgot my mother was R.C. not C Of E, so was her Mother Amy Ryan, all us kids (7) where brought up C Of E ,and mum took us to sunday school at St.Pauls,so again I led you wrong again very sorry, :-[. it suddenly dawned on me that she would go into St Joe's R.C. church on Wheatland land after shopping ;D
all the best
AL Etherington-------------Canada
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Albert
also I forgot my mother was R.C. not C Of E, so was her Mother Amy Ryan
Its a good job you live in Canada Albert ;D ;D ;D So Do I have all the correct info now for the another trip next week ;)
Celia
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Hi Celia
Yes everything that I have on them you now have :-[ I have gome through all my papers and that's all I have, i feel like an idiot :) I have been trying to do my family tree,and I'm afraid that i am not to tidy with all my notes :-[
So there you have it, looking forward to hearing some more next week :-*
all the best
AL Etherington--------------Canada
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Albert
Just in case your email puts mine in the bin again :) I am just letting you know,that i popped out while the sun was out today and hopfully the grass dry in the cemetery.It was,just as well because the stone is central on the section ;D
I took a photo so i Will send it later
Celia
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Hi Celia
Thanks, I don't think :-[ we will have that happen again,as I now have your E address in my log book,and at the time my server was having problems with E-Mails,as i talked to a few people with AOL and they where having a similar problem. Again many thanks for all you work.
All the best
AL Etherington----------Canada
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Hi Celia
Have not heard from you for a while,are you ok? :( if so then I guess you are taking a break, with all this bad weather at this time of the year, hope to hear from you in the New year?
wishing you all the best for Christmas and the New year :)
AL
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I am still here al
Havent been on rootschat much for a few days. It been to slow,i will Email you tomorow.
Celia
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Hi Celia
thanks, just got a little over anxious sorry
AL
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Hi Celia
Thank you very much for offering look ups in Rake Lane Cemetery. Would you see if there are any details for:
Harold Broster MOODY, died 16 Sep 1894 age 1 month, parents Richard and Emily MOODY.
I'd be grateful for this, and any other MOODYs in the records.
I really appreciate your help.
Ruth in Hampshire
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Hello Gussysgran
I will be pleased to lookup the burial for you,but do you know what religion they would have been.The burials are on film each religion on its own film.It wont be possible to look for other burials unless you know when they died.
Celia
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Hi Celia
I'm sure they were C of E. A sibling was baptised at St John's, Egremont.
Thank you for your help.
Regards
Ruth (GussysGran)
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Ruth
The library is closed tomorrow so i will do the look-up on thursday.I have gone on broadband a few hours ago so i am not recieving my rootschat replies.I will have to send them my new email :)
Celia
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Ruth
Folio 266 1894
Buried Sep 18th Harold Broster Moody age 28 days.His abode was Bridgcroft Road in the district of Liscard.
There are other Moodys buried in Rake lane in different sections
If they are connected to you let me know,they are
May Moody died in 1911 her husband was Martin Moody
Robert F Moody died in 1921 age 52 his wife was Lucy Moody
A William Moody died in 1943 his wife Margaret dies in 1948
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Just found your post from 2004!
Can you still do look up's for Rake Lane Cemetery, Wallasey?
I'm trying to help a friend with his tree, his Grandfather Arthur Irving died 05 Jan 1963.
He was buried there with his parents in grave 352.
Kind regards
Sally
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Hello Sally
Can you still do look up's for Rake Lane Cemetery, Wallasey?
I can ;D Welcome to Rootschat ;D
You friend knows when Arthur died and where he is buried and the grave is known.so is it the fuller information from the burial record you want.
Celia
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Celia - thank you so very much for the information about Harold Moody. I don't recognise the other Moodys but I will do a little sleuthing about them and get back to you if they are related (thank you for that offer!). I really appreciate your help. Do let me know if you need any looks-up in Hampshire RO or the Portsmouth area.
Best wishes
Ruth
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Hi Celia,
Thank you so much.
My friend knows next to nothing of his grandfather, so we are clutching at straws.
I understand he was 51 when he died on 05 Jan 1963 & he has the plot no. as 352.
His address at the time was 97 Raleigh Rd, Leasowe, Wirral.
We don't know where he was born & can't locate his birth, so his age may be wrong!
He thinks that his grandfather (Arthur Irving) was burried in the same plot as his parents,
if so, this will be of great help in locating the right family.
Kindest regards
Sally
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he has the plot no. as 352.
Thats the grave number ;D I have an idea the addresses were blanked out from the 60,s I don't often look at the young records :) I will go out tomorrow and have a look for you.You need the section number anyway.I nearly forgot to ask what religion will i Be looking for C.O.E or Catholic.
Celia
P.S Do you by any chance know the name of Arthurs parents whom he was buried with and when they died.I might as well look for there burials as well.Then you might be able to work up from them
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Hi Celia,
I assume they were C of E, but can't sure.
I have no idea of Arthur's parents, I was hoping the grave details would include
his parents names if they are in the same plot!?? ::)
Thank you so much for looking, I was running out of ideas as to how to find the family.
Regards
Sally
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Unfortunately Rake lane burial records only do just that, have a burial record for one person.They don't have(available to the Public) Grave records, where once you have the grave number you can see who else in buried in it.
Celia
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Sally
There isn't a burial for Arthur for the year 1963 for C.O.E and non con.I didn't look in the catholic burials,Can you re-check the information is correct the grave number seems a bit high for the size of the sections.Has your friend got the death cert For Arthur because that will give the age at death. Has he got the actual grave information, green :-\ ticket that was supplied to family.My mum had one for her parents grave. If you haven't got anyfurther info i will go back and look on the catholic film.
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Thank you so much for your time & effort.
I querried Arthur'r religion with my friend last night, his reply was ...
Ellen (the wife) was a catholic, but Arthur was the black sheep of his family, so I doub't he will be of any religon.
So he may well be in the Catholic section.
I had assumed that the indexes would have given details of all those burried in the plot.
Since it does not, I don't think we could learn anything new from the burial records.
Looks like we might have to make a day trip out from Yorkshire in the Spring to visit the cemetery!
Is there a map with grave numbers on it at the cemetery? :)
Kind regards
Sally
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I had assumed
with genealogy you never ever assume anything or you might get your tree in knots ;)
Before you can find a grave,you must know the section the grave is on first.Beause each section depending on its size has up to 877 Graves.The only way to find it is a burial look up.I will look in the catholic next,it is a lot quicker than searching 48 sections one at a time.Then finding all the numbers on the stones till you get somewhere in the region of 352,Without the section number a day out every weekend throughout the spring and summer should do it. ;D ;D
Celia
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Thank you Celia,
I had no idea the Cemetery was so big.
We have just had a look at it on Google Earth, I can now see the enormity of it.
We would be very grateful for any additional information you can add.
I only hope there is a headstone when we have a chance to venture over!
Regards
Sally
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sally
with all the changes to my computer last week,new email account,going on broadband and changing providers ::) i cant remember and cant find if i looked in the catholics or not.I have a suspicion that the catholic burials on the film ended before 1963 for some reason. Did i contact you with any info :-\
Celia
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Hi Celia,
You said you'd looked on the Non Conformist & C of E films, but no trace.
I Googled the Cemetery to see what else I could find.
I came up with Wirral council's web site & the list of Cemeteries they look after.
There was a phone number (0151 677 2361) & a note saying for more info call.... so I did!
I asked if they had the records & was told yes. I gave Arthur Irvings details, date of death &
his grave number. within a few seconds he had confirmed the details & that he was in section 17 of the Non conf section & those in the grave with him were William & Isabella & their dates of death too!!
I would like to thank you again for your help, saving us a wasted journey to visit the cemetery & not really knowing what we were looking for.
Kind regards
Sally :)
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Hey Great news Sally 8)
it sounds like you contacted Landican in Birkenhead,who hold all the records for all the council cemeteries.He was able to look in the grave record book thats why it was quick;D The grave records are only available in Landican.I will send you a more detailed map of the section tomorrow if you send me your email.Cant send on a P.M
Celia
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Hi Celia,
if you are still doing lookups would you mind looking for the burial of Elizabeth Lawley at Rake Lane, presumed C. of E. Death 1925 qtr June, that's if you have access for that year.
Many thanks,
sigrid
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Hello Sigrid
I will do your look up in the next couple of days.
Celia
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What a quick reply - thanks very much indeed :o
sigrid
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Sigrid
I just wrote a post added my name clicked one of the smilies and the post vanished :o
I found Elizabeth she was buried on 23rd June 1925 age 73 Section 13c grave 21. Unfortunately along with most of all the other twenties there are no headstones.
Now i hope you know the middle name of Elizabeth :) Because the first letter is a c like the one i sign my name with.Then there are four small loops all exactly the same, they don't resemble any letter at all except a row of Ells
Celia
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Sigrid
this is a note for me ;D in case i have to refere back to previous look ups at some time.Using P.M.s for requests means no replies on the public board and i don't know why.
I delete my P.M's regular, so they are lost forever
So Thank you for your P.M with further lookups which i will do in the next few days. I am glad we both agreed on the middle name.Do you want me to put the results on this board or do you prefare a private reply.
Celia
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Celia,
It's been suggested to me that you might be able to look up the burial of my great grandfather who died in 1936 on March 17th.
His death was registered in Birkenhead South.
His name was William Allison and he was aged 73 at death which occurred at 56 Church Rd.
Occupation given as electrician (Merchant Service) and his normal residence was "Stanleigh" Lingham Lane Wallasey U.D.
All of this is from his death certificate.
He is not buried with his wife and children who are all in Kirkdale Cemetery Liverpool.
Hope this isn't an imposition and that you can help
Ken
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Hello Ken
I will have a look for you,what religion would he have been. The sections are C.O.E. Catholic and non con all on different films. Lingham Lane is in Moreton by the way, by the old lighthouse.
Celia
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Celia,
Wonderful! - His children were C of E, baptised in I think, St. Matthew's Bootle. I'm assuming he was too. His marriage was in St. Mary's Walton.
Ken
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Ken
I had a suspicion i would not find William in Rake lane and i was correct he isn't. The reason thought i might not find him is because he was married in Liverpool the children were christened there they are buried in Liverpool.William died in Birkenhead but lived Moreton wallasey.I looked in the poll book but didnt find him.I also looked in the death index for any entries in the newspaper for that date,there wasnt one.
Seeing that he died in birkenhead i would have though if he had no family in rake lane and isnt with his wife in Liverpool.He might be in Landican or Flaybrick,if he isnt in any of those. Maybe he was cremated :-\
Celia
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Celia,
You have been VERY thorough and done far more than I could have expected. Thanks for eliminating all those possibilities. You are performing a very helpful and charitable service - so thanks again for your effort.
Ken
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Hi Celia,
I wonder if you can help me ? I would like to know if there is any gravestone on this grave please and if there is what it says.
Wallasey Cemetery
Non Conformist Section
James Finlay Macara
Buried: September 4th 1918
Age: 35yrs
Abode: 10 King Street
Parish: Egremont
2nd Class Grave
Section: 6G
Number: 58
I did contact you some time ago but didn't have this information then.
Hoping that you are still doing Look Ups,
Macara
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Hello Macara
I will have look for you
Celia
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Macara
There is a headstone, In the grave are James Finlay Macara,
Joan Finlay Simmons & Edith Elizabeth.I will P.M. you tomorrow
Celia
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Hi Celia,
Wonderful ! I hope his wife Edith or his daughter Margaret might be buried with him.
My thanks,
Anne
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Hello Celia hope you are well, just wondering have you been to earlston liberary latley, they have the plot map with grave numbers on, which should make graves easy to find didnt know if you knew already just thought would let you know. Still looking for my andreson and page graves still not found them nether there deaths thanks for all you have done in the past for me sandy
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Hi sandy
I have been going to the library most weeks for the last six years.I have been a member for over 40 years 8) I know about the maps i have been using them about 3 years now.They were only compleated last year i think, I met the wonderful couple responsible for that.I think they should have been rewarded in some way it is unbelievable that one couple should spend every summer standing in holes ;D
Celia
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Hi Celia thanks for your letter, I totally agree with you, any ideas how i can find if my andersons and page are buriel in rake lane, James anderson was a gunner in the royal artillery station at the new brighton fort called Perch Rock or the Liverpool Battery in 1840 - 1846 he marriaed a Sarah Page in liverpool, their daughter also called Sarah was born inside the fort, these details are taken of Liscard Indepant Chapel books from Earlston Rd Liberary and from her birth certifcate.
Her parents deaths and buriels are yet to be found.
sandy
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Yes I have all the chapel records
I will P.M you
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I just realized you are a new member so might not know how to send a P.m dont think you have enough post.
Give me the names of the deceased and when they died
Celia p.s for some reason i keep getting cut off
and rootschat has gone on dead slow so i am signing off
Celia
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Hi can you tell me what PM means thanks sandy
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sandy on the left of your post there is a little scroll, That is a P.M Personnel mail.Only the receiver can see,it is for sending emails to a member who might have somehing to send you .Like photos it is not for replying to posts on the topics.If you want to send a M.P to me for instance ,you click on the scroll on one of my posts.
Celia
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Macara/Anne
P.M working but wont see this post.
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I had this moved just seeing where to ;D
Right O.K ;D
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I have some look-ups to do in the next few days & the coming week,Flaybrick & Rake lane (mostly). So if you require one for Rake lane let me know.On topic or P.M :)
Celia
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Buried in Rake Lane Fom my notes
Rev: Richard Drake Fowell age 68 Buried 23rd March 1887
William Spicer age 14 & Henry Spicer age 4 of New Brighton
Buried 28th May 1890
Alexander Barton Buried 14th August 1890
John Hanney age 44 Buried April 31st 1891
Edward Roberts of Liscard age 34 buried 30th October 1891
Captain D Chisholm of seacombe buried wed January 16th 1895
Matilda Stephenson age 61 Buried Thursday 3rd may 1895
Charles S Robinson age 43 of Liscard buried 5th December 1899
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Celia
I wonder if you would be kind enough to do a look up for me at what I assume would be Rake Lane ?
My relative was Frank Wolverson who died on June 3rd 1894 at 18 Dalton Rd
Liscard Cheshire aged 40. He was married at a Congregational Church in Wolverhampton but his children were baptised in 1892 in New Brighton (source Mormon Vital Records -but it doesn't indicate what denomination -however his daughter was later married at St Paul Secombe which I assume is C of E.
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Hello Philip
I was about to say welcome to rootschat,when i thought to see your location,then saw you had been a member for over three years ;D
I will do your Lookup during the week
Celia
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Celia
That is very kind of you. Yes I joined about 3 years ago but I'm afraid I have been a lapsed member for a lot of that time.However I have problems with this branch of the family as I have been unable to find deaths for Frank's wife and daughter Ann Elizabeth and Millie Wolverson so I thought a good starting point would be to find where Frank's grave is.
Thanks again
Philip
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Philip
I found your burial,I have to say it was easiest i have done for a long time.First page i looked at ;D Its so much easier when info is known.
Buried June 7th in sec 3c first class, so his headstone will be on the edge of that section.His 2 sons are with him in the grave one age 19 and one age 6. I will type my scribble out and P.M you the full information ;D
Celia
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Philip
I have sent a P.M with the info. I typed it off line so a couple of lines have slipped to right ::) Let me know on this topic if the other mentioned names are yours then i will send by P.M.I get info mixed up between topics & and P.Ms ;D ;D
Celia
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P.M received I will Sent the other one ;D
Celia
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Philip
I am posting on here rather than P.M because IT will be handy for others to know.On impulse today I decided to go and find Your 2 graves,then Take Photos of them. After calling in at the library for a cemetery map,which i had lost again ::)
As I had said the grave for frank was 1st class so it would be on the outside of the section 3c.Wanted to do that first as it was the quickest.So off I trotted maps in hand,looked at the Cemetery map to get me to 3c there wasn't a 3c on the map ::) I thought geeees i have made a mistake,looked at the grave map no i hadn't it is definitely Sec 3c the graves are on it.I couldn't undersand it,what happened next i found amusing :) I saw one of the workers and asked him if he could see a 3c on the map,he studied it from various angles and said No ;D So I thought I would leave that till the mystery was sorted. I went on my way,then he called me back cos he thought he found the section but it wasn't the one.So I was then told to go and find another worker,he had helped me before.He too scrutinized the map so there was the 3 of us trying to work out were the grave was.It was eventually sorted and I was taken to it on the edge of plot I knew not what ;D (I forgot to ask ::)when i got home, on looking at the cemetery map I think :-\ I have worked out which plot the grave is on and it isn't section 3c.
So beware section 3c does not exist :)
Philip having found both the graves I have photos of them.
If you P.M me your email I will send them to you
Celia
Celia
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Hello There has been an interest in Burials in the Rake Lane Cemetery. I can do a look up If you give me enough information Like death year (not i think year ;D) and possible religion, thats important. It would be appreciated if you could look up the death First if you are not sure of the year or the nearest possible year. before requesting a Burial lookup. This will save me time and assure that the person did die in the area. The burials go back to the late 1800 (Flaybrick and Rake Lane only) And give the address of the deceased person. Archives only open Thursday Friday and half day Saturday By appointment. Other cemeteries I can do a burial look up for are
Landican Cemetery Opened 1934
Plymyard Cemetery Opened 1930
Frankby Cemetery Opened 1940
Wallasey Cemetery, Rake Lane. Opened 1883
Heswall Opened 1960
Flaybrick Memorial Gardens (formerly Flaybrick Cemetery) 1864
Celia
UPDATED 26TH NOVEMBER 2004
I HAVE NOW HAD A REPLY TO MY QUERIES FROM THE ARCHIVIST AS TO HOW MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS THEY HAVE ON FILM IN THE BURIAL INDEX.SO I KNOW HOW MANY FILMS I MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH IF THE RELIGION IS NOT KNOWN ;) THEY ONLY HAVE TWO RELIGION'S KEPT SEPARATE C.O.ENGLAND & CATHOLIC. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE ON THE NONE CONFORMIST FILM. SO IF YOU ARE NOT SURE OF THE RELIGION BUT KNOW YOUR ANCESTORS WERE NOT CATHOLIC. THAT WILL MAKE ANY FUTURE LOOK UPS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. CELIA
The link below will Take you to my Merchant Seaman Monumental inscriptions
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13199.msg45868#msg45868
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wenwil
Are you trying to ask me for a burial look up in Rake Lane :-\
If so just click on reply,on the last post of my topic.
Celia
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thanks Celia having a senior moment
Looking for Ralph Hankinson died 29th April 1934 living at 2 Littledale Road Egremont
also for son Ralph died 1912 at 49 Clarendon Road and son Ross died 1906 unsure where thanks a lot Wendy
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Good morning Wendy & welcome to Rootschat ;D
Do you know what religion these gentlemen were.
C.O.E/ or Catholic so i know where not to look ;)
Celia
Have just checked for Ross registration he was reg in Wallasey like the others.How sad they died so young.
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Thanks Celia I am sure they were C of E when Ralph Snr married my grandmother in 1915 (2nd Marriage) it was at St Augustines West Derby (distroyed in the Blitz) so that makes me think they were Cof E
Son Ralph died 16th February 1912 one month after his mother (Elizabeth grandads 1st wife) died, I think it must have been from something like influenza but as to Ross I don't have any idea. Mums half sister was 39 years older than her (born 1877) I met her once when I was 4 she was in her late seventies and the term a real old battleaxe springs to mind a product of the Victorian age .
thanks Wendy
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Hello Wendy
thanks Celia having a senior moment
Looking for Ralph Hankinson died 29th April 1934 living at 2 Littledale Road Egremont
also for son Ralph died 1912 at 49 Clarendon Road and son Ross died 1906 unsure where thanks a lot Wendy
I found them all,Not much to add as you seem to have the death certs.All three are in the same grave on section 10c grave 202
1906
Buried Oct 11th Ross Hankinson age 22
49 Clarenden Road Egremont M.O.B 3rd class
1912
Ralph Hankinson buried 19th Feb age 30
abode as above
buried 19th Feb 3rd class
1934 you have the info on Ralph so he was
Buried May 2nd age 82 his M.O.B was 2nd class
Celia
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thank you very much for the info I don't have the death certs I know Ralph senior was heart attack not a bad age though . When I have some spare cash I shall send for other death certs . I am just surmising Ralph Jnr was from influenza . I should have thought thier standards of living was reasonably high Ralph Snr being Retired Police Inspector and Grand Masonic master so I don't imagine it would have been from poverty
thank you once again
Wendy
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Going by the M.O.B. which was 3rd class which normally means no headstone.By the time of the last burial it was 2nd,so presumably a better status burial,paid for by whoever was responsible for the arrangements.Thats just my thought though ;) I noticed briefly, there are two other Hankinson in the cemetery.Different sections if i remember rightly.Do you know if any more of your are there?
Celia
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I'm not sure if there are anymore in Rakes lane can't find the eldest son James Henry Hankinson (born 1875) unsure of when he died all I know is his wife was Jane Ann and he had children Percy(born 1900) May or Mary born (1903) and Millicent ( born 1903 and died 1903)I presume they were twins (I have twin daughters )
thanks for your help
Wendy
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I will check them next time i go to the library.
Celia
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Wendy do you know Percy and May were born in west derby liverpool?
Celia
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I know that in 1901 census James Henrywife Jane and Percy were living just round the corner from the police station on Derby Lane where the rest of the family lived they seem to have been quite close .
thanks Wendy
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Wendy
some good news,there is a headstone for the burials i found ;D
Can you tell me if A Charles H Hankinson,wife Rachel,
could be yours?
Celia
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thanks
I don't think they are related . I'm prettty sure my other Hankinsons will be Liverpool and Warrington . I had an email from Diane and John at the Friends of Rake Lane ( They saw my request on The Merseyside and Liverpool Genealogy site ) and they sent me a photo of the Family Grave
Thanks again for all your help
Wendy
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and they sent me a photo of the Family Grave
O.K I will delete mine from the camera
Celia
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Hi Celia,
You kindly sent me all the information and a photo of this grave.
In Loving Memory of my Dear Husband
James Finlay Macara Died 1st September 1918 age 35
also Joan Finlay Simmons Died 10th October 1954 age 38
And Edith Isobel wife of James Finlay Macara
Died 6th June 1963 after a long Illness.Patiently bourne
2nd Class Grave
Section: 6G
Number: 58
I am still looking for the missing member of this family.
Margaret their only other child was born in 1913 and she was still alive in 1954 but not married when her sister died. I can find no trace of her death or burial. I had thought she would be buried with the rest of the family. If anyone one has any suggestions I would love to hear.
Macara
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Macara
Nice to hear from you again,I had another look for Margaret and didnt find a single Macara registered in Marriages or deaths in any counties way past 1954.I cant visualize Macara being mistranscribed although there are a couple but not Margaret's.Where was she living in 1954?There are some main reasons why people dissapear.She could have been cremated in Landican so you will never find a burial.I don't know much about cremation record keeping but you need a D.D to find out from Landican.
she could have moved right out of the area and died elsewhere.Or she could have Married if my sums a re correct :-\
Celia
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Many thanks Celia ! This is all the information I have about her from her sister's obituary. I have no date or source for the newspaper but it would be 1954 I would think. I thought perhaps because it specifically mentioned Margaret it might have been from the area where she lived and most likely Wallasey but as you say there are so many other possibilities. Thanks for looking again. The most likely different spelling is McARA.
JOAN MACARA daughter of Mrs E.I. Macara (only sister of Miss Margaret Macara) Born in Wallasey Cheshire. Graduated in medicine at Liverpool University in 1940.
Joined Royal Army Medical Corps and served three years including a period in India. Married in January 1946 to Rev R. A. Simmons. She met her husband at St John's Church Egremont where he had been a curate some years previously and moved to St Andrew's Watford in November 1946.
She had 2 daughters Margaret and Katherine. She died on 10th October aged 38 years. Her children were Margaret 7 and Katherine 6.
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Macara
Its handy to have that bit of extra information,maybe one day between us or anyone else.We will find her,but to be honest I think you might be better looking for any descendent's of her sisters family.We are never going to find her with no info so maybe the living would be easier to trace.I have a few Idias but will keep you posted.If there any good ;D
Celia
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Macara
I am a bit exited i have just found a Margaret Macara who was still living in wallasey right up to the years 200 :o
I will P.M you with some instructions to see what you think ;D
Celia
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Hi Celia,
I can't belive this.
My Margaret Macara was born in 1913. During WW2 her mother Edith was a regular correspondent of my grandmother, her sister in law.
At that time this was her address which I have from her address book.
Mrs E MACARA
53 Gorsehill Rd
Wallasey
Cheshire
Now this Margaret Macara from your record was
MACARA, Margaret 53 Gorsehill Road, Wallasey, Merseyside
Lloyds TSB Private Banking Ltd, Kings 28 June 2005 (827)
CH45 9JB. 31 March 2005. Norton Estates OYce, PO Box 4159, 54
Pershore Road South, Kings Norton,
Birmingham B30 3EB. (Lloyds TSB
Bank Plc.)
This surely must be her. I wonder why it mentions Birminham.
What a wonderful find ! Many many thanks,
Anne
We are off on a holiday for ten days on Saturday so I will be off the air till then.
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I cant believe it myself ;D I am so chuffed,I had previously Looked for the death registration,never found it.So I looked again I only found one Margaret death in that year but she wasn't a Macara.In regard to the banking that would be her bank.When people leave wills? they do the rounds of various places(the wills) sent to by the solicitor.I have a very old will,(saved from being destroyed) for someone in chester who had money invested everywhere.It has a stamp from each place he had money.when all is complete it goes back to the solicitor. Have a lovely holiday, i will continue with the Macara research see what else i can dig up ;D
Celia
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Hello :)
Over the last few years i have taken many photos of the headstones of ancestors, in rake lane for members.One in particular i found overgrown with grass and broken in half.That stone is no longer there,why it was taken away i do not know.It wasn't dangerous,with all the rain we have had in the last 3/4 years,and with the cemetery being on the slope.The water i think drains to the bottom and a lot of headstones are falling in the soggy ground,even the old ones which were buried deep in the ground, and that were standing like soldiers a few yeas ago.Have lost the battle to stay upright.Next spring i intend to take photos of some headstones that are leaning forward.Because when they drop the wont be re-buried unless family are still around to make sure they are.So the headstons will be lost forever.
Its not only the older headstones that are falling the newer ones one are going as well.Because they are not even put into the ground.They are on a slab of concrete resting on the top of the grave :( Rake lane at one time had a huge mountain of broken headstones in the yard inscriptions still to seen they are not stored there anymore.Now it seems they are dumped as as soon as they fall and break.So my advice to you is if you have relatives or ancestors in that cemetery no matter how young the headstone is.Take or obtain a photo of it.Before it disappears,Or the Vandals destroy it.
Landican has also suffered vandals more and more,as has Flaybrick.So my advice includes those or any other cemetery.
Celia
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Hello Celia,
I am new to this bug they call geneology. I have well documented family tree back to 1732 on my side and 1718 on my wife's side (all done by someone else so now it is our turn). Whilst browsing I came across your page and by sheer coincidence, information helping me. In February 05 Someone had sent you an inscription re: Merchant Navy memorials. Landican have been unable to locate the particular grave, as yet, so a visit to Birkenhead library seems on the cards. I am wondering if you keep records of locations? The inscription reads:
MARY REID 3rd. daughter of Capt. Charles Phillips, Aberdeen. Died 31st. March 1909 aged66
ALICK M. RICHIE only son of Capt. James Richie, Glasgow. Died 29th. August 1908 age 42
JAMES RICHIE Father of the above Died at sea 20th. June 1869 aged 33
ANNIE HENDERSON RICHIE Widow of CApt. James Richie and youngest dau. of Capt. Charles Phillips Died 10th.July 1913 aged 68 years
Any information or guidance you can give would be gratefully appreciated,
Yours sincerely,
Mike Dunne (Pensby)
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Hi Mike
Welcome to rootschat
In February 05 Someone had sent you an inscription re: Merchant Navy memorials. Landican have been unable to locate the particular grave,
This topic of mine that you are now on,is for burial look ups in Rake Lane which i do. You might be thinking of my other topic,which are Photos of the gravestones of merchant seamen taken by me in Rake Lane,some for various reason with no photo.The merchant seamans inscriptions,are also of my taking and also from Rake lane,so you wont find them in Landican ;) no one sent them to me ;D
MARY REID 3rd. daughter of Capt. Charles Phillips, Aberdeen. Died 31st. March 1909 aged66
ALICK M. RICHIE only son of Capt. James Richie, Glasgow. Died 29th. August 1908 age 42
JAMES RICHIE Father of thee above Died at sea 20th. June 1869 aged 33
ANNIE HENDERSON RICHIE Widow of Capt. James Richie and youngest dau. of Capt. Charles Phillips Died 10th.July 1913 aged 68 years
I can find you the location of the grave unfortunately at the moment our reference room is closed for redecorating(as i found out today :( ) So if you can visit the library or the archives,they both have the films.In Rake lane burials, not Landican,hope this helps,if you need anymore help drop me a line
Celia Amended the above was meant to say Birkenhead library and the archives have all burials
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Celia,
Many thanks for your speedy reply. When I mentioned Landican I was referring to the records office there. I would be extremely grateful if you could send me details of the location of the aforementioned grave, when you are able, so that I can then photograph it (to send to a relative in Canada).
Just for information the occupant ( ???) of the grave - Mary Reid is my ???great x3 grandparent, who is in turn the great grandaughter of Peter Baker (1732 -1796), Shipbuilder, Merchant and Lord mayor of Liverpool. It doesn't half get complicated !!
Many thanks and appreciation,
Mike
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O'k I will do your look-up then see if there is a headstone.
Celia
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Mike I now have the information from the burial look-up,so i will P.M it to you If I can, I think you might need another post before you can receive P.M. I can never remember ::)
If you get it let me know on here
Celia
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Good morning Celia, and assistance that you could give with obtaining photographs of the following men who served with the South Lancashire Regiment during the 2nd World War would be greatly welcomed.
Phil
WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY
BOWKER. GEORGE, 3657991, Grave Sec. 20.C. Grave 418.
Originally enlisted with the South Lancashire regiment, the son of Thomas P. and Ellen Bowker, of Wallasey; and husband of Susan Bowker, of Wallasey. Served with the 6th Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry, and died aged 30 on the 26th June 1945.
ISAAC. KENNETH JAMES 155706, Grave Sec. 16.C. Grave 203.
Second Lieutenant James, served with the 1st/4th Battalion of the South Lancashire Regiment, and fied whilst on active service in the UK on the 25th November 1941 aged 26.
BIRKENHEAD (FLAYBRICK HILL) CEMETERY
WOOLLEY. WILLIAM GEORGE, 3657699, Grave Sec. 6. R.C. Grave 149.
The husband of Alice Anne Woolley, of Birkenhead, Private Woolley enlisted in the South Lancashire Regiment and served with the 1st battalion at the time of his death on the 15th January 1943 aged 26. Having seen action in France and Belgium, the battalion had returned to the UK, and was heavily involved with the training for the D-Day landings
BIRKENHEAD (LANDICAN) CEMETERY
BRANDON. CHRISTOPHER, 3652062, Non-Conformist. Sec. 6. Coll. grave A.4.
The son of Robert and Mary Helen Brandon, of Birkenhead. Private Brandon, enlisted with the South Lancashire and was serving with the 1st Battalion at the time of his death, aged 24, on the 31st August 1940, shortly after the Battalion had been evacuated from Dunkirk.
HUGHES. JOHN, 3652298, R.C. Sec. 5. Grave 591.
Enlisted with the Sought Lancashire Regiment, and posted to the 2nd Battalion, Corporal Hughes, who was the son of Joseph and Annie Hughes, of Birkenhead; and husband of Lillian Hughes, of Birkenhead died on the 21st June 1941 aged 30, whilst on active service in the UK.
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If Celia can't, I can probably get to these and take photographs. Let me know.
Alan
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Good afternoon englandphil
I presume you mean the grave headstones of these men not the men ;D ;D
Yes I can do Rake Lane for you,I cannot do Flaybrick or Landican for photos, Look-ups only.Its out of my boundaries being a none driver ;D
I see Alan has volunteered to do the those,Thanks Alan
Celia
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Wilco Celia. May have a run around tomorrow depending on weather. Mothers day as well so Landican for one will be busy. No worries!
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Don't take your red Ferrari out if its raining it will get wet ;D ;D
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Don't take your red Ferrari out if its raining it will get wet ;D ;D
Red one is in the garage having a wash. Will take the range rover. You know how rough it can be at Flaybrick.
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Got my three Celia. Not too hard to find really but Landican was extremely busy with mothers day. Typically the Flaybrick one was right over in the far right corner. Bit of a walk but it isn't a bad day.
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Phil
I spent a long time on section 20c this morning looking for the grave headstone and i am sorry to say i didn't find it :(
I walked the graves row by row because i didn't have a grave map.I found some 400's higher or lower, but not the number i wanted,so it looks like it has fallen.I didn't have time to look on 16c because its a very large section.
Celia
I did find the stone in the end ;D
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Don't tell me they have been knocking over war grave stones now? Is nothing sacred?
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I cant be certain it wasn't there,but i will wait for a responce on the topic from Phil,before i do any more to pinpoint the grave ;)
Celia
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If Celia can't, I can probably get to these and take photographs. Let me know.
Alan
Alan, firstly sorry for the delay in replying, but having some serious internet issues. Received your email, and have updated my records
Thanks once again
Phil
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Phil
I spent a long time on section 20c this morning looking for the grave headstone and i am sorry to say i didn't find it :(
I walked the graves row by row because i didn't have a grave map.I found some 400's higher or lower, but not the number i wanted,so it looks like it has fallen.I didn't have time to look on 16c because its a very large section.
Celia
Celia, as with a response to Alan, sorry for the delay. The only details that I have are those from the CWGC website, and are the ones I posted. Sorry that you spent so much time for nothing, but it was the only info that I had.
Thanks again
Phil
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Phil
I ha vent given up yet, but need a different map because the sections are so big, and the numbers are not in order Mainly i think because there are so many spaces.I will get back to you if i can locate the headstone. Then look for the second one.
Celia
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Phil
after some more research today I have found that the stone for George bowker that you gave me has fallen along with others.I don't think they were vandalized though, some fall because they are not buried deep enough so with heavy rainfalls over the years they fall over in the soggy ground.
I do have some info for you but will P.M it to you later
I haven't compleated this info yet, but on section 20c there is another Bowker burial are they connected?
In Brief: George Bowker died 3rd October 1956 age 63
& Sgt Thomas George Bowker Royal Artillery died 27Th May 1942 age 29
Celia
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Phil I am happy to say i have now found the Stone on sec 20c
the reason i didn't find it earlier this week is because I was looking for a grave stone ::) not a war grave stone.Having found the exact place of the stone this morning in a short time.I realized it was a war memorial stone so probably ignored it ::) I thought the white ones were family memorial stones. Anyway I have taken some photos including the small slab below it.So if you P.M me your email i will send you the photos plus the other info I have taken.
Regards Miss Dimday Aka Celia ;D
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Morning Celia, the George Bowker that I am looking for is buried in Grave 418 in Section 20C, and was originally enlisted with the South Lancashire Regiment, before transferring to the Durham Light Infantry, and sadly died just over a month after the end of the war in Europe, most probably due to wounds sustained.
Name: BOWKER, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Durham Light Infantry
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Age: 30
Date of Death: 26/06/1945
Service No: 3657991
Additional information: Son of Thomas P. Bowker and Ellen Bowker, of Wallasey; husband of Susan Bowker, of Wallasey.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 20.C. Grave 418.
Cemetery: WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY
As you say, there is also a second George Bowker, buried at Rake Lane, and also in Sect 20C. This GB was also the son of A GB, so the GB who you have found for 1956 may well have been is father.
Name: BOWKER, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 301 Bty., 552 Coast Regt.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 27/05/1942
Service No: 796220
Additional information: Son of George and Amy Bowker, of Wallasey; husband of Joan Bowker.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 20.C. Grave 627.
Cemetery: WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY
Ive also Pm’d you with email address
Thanks for your help Celia, and if you have any info on any of the men in my original list I would only be too glad to receive it.
Phil
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P.m recieved thank you
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Hello Celia
I would be very grateful if you could help with the following:
Grimshaw
Ada Nellie
Date of death: 5th January 1951
Address: 62 Albion Street Wallasey
I know that she was buried in Rake Lane and that she probably didn't even have a headstone, but I would like to know the plot/area of the cemetery where she was buried and pay my respects (she was my Grandmother whom I never met).
Also would like to find grave for her husband who died in 1949
Grimshaw
John Roland
Address 62 Albion Street
Many thanks
Dorinda
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Good Morning Dorinda
I will do your burial look-up when i go to the Library this coming week to find which section they are on.Do you know what religion they were the films go by religion C.O.E (N.C) and Catholic.Your grandparents will probably be in the same grave.
Celia
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In the park next to wallasey Library
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Hi Celia
Many thanks I really appreciate it.
They were not RC but I am not sure of their exact denomination, probably C of E.
Look forward to hearing from you....
Dorinda
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Thank you every little helps ;D
Celia
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Dorinda
You say you know that Ada Nellie Grimshaw and her Husband are in Rake Lane, I looked in C.O E.1949 for John Rowland.Having no quarter i looked right through from January to December and didn't find a burial.Unfortunately in the 1949 records there is a thick black Line that goes right through the pages January to around November.You just see the top of some letters under the black line but you cant read them.So Maybe John is under one of those line.
So I then looked for your grandmother thinking I would find the grave but i didn't find her either.Any Suggestions as to why I cant Find them? Normally on some years you find C.O.E & N.C. on the same film but as the years go by the films change and some N.C are on a separate film. Maybe that's whats happened here because Landican and another cemetery were on the same film and i didn't notice any mention of N.C. on the label.However if you would like another look-up It will have to be in the archives at the end of the week.
Celia
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Celia
Thank you so much for the very time consuming look up on my behalf! I appreciate your hard work very much.
I do not know why the records seem so elusive for both of my ancestors, John Roland Grimshaw died in 1949 and Ada Nellie Grimshaw died in January 1951. She may have been just recorded as Nellie Grimshaw but other than that I have no further information which may help! They were both living in Albion Street New Brighton at the time of their deaths. If you have time to look up any further I would really appreciate it but please don't go to any trouble or out of your way (more than you have already).
Kind Regards
Dorinda
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Dorina
I was meant to be doing another look-up unfortunately I became unwell.I am O.K Now so will do it after the Holidays when the libraries reopen on Thursday
Celia
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Many thanks again Celia
Have a good Easter.
Regards
Dorinda
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I don't know what it is but Nellie Grimshaw rings a bell with me. I was only born a year before she died but the name is in my head for some reason. We lived off Egerton street which is about three minutes walk away. My dad was a painter and decorator so perhaps he worked at their house but why do I think the name is significant? Was there a daughter with the same name perhaps?
Sorry to be so vague but it is not a common name and you know how close knit the communities were in those days.
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Hello Celia
The Grimshaw family I believe, were quite a well known family in the area, as you rightly say in those days everyone knew their locality and the local people well. I know that the house they lived in had a front door on two streets (Albion and Montpelier Crescent) as it was on the corner of Albion Street, I think they lived in no 62 or 64. Nellie and John had five sons, the eldest John was my Dad. When I was born my parents lived there for a year or two but by then my paternal grandparents had both died and the brothers shared the house with their wives. One wife was Inge, my Mum was Vi and another wife was Jean. The five Grimshaw sons were John, Harry, Bob, Edgar and Peter. They used to go to the hotel Vic and even I remember some names of people they knew (Todd family and Sixsmith, both had shops I think nearby). I think that at one time the brothers had a small firm in New Brighton (commercial wholesalers). Nellie was quite a character and I think after her husband died she had a 'beau' who was Norwegian (so family legend has it!).
Hope these memories make jog yours, you never know!
Thanks again....
Dorinda
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Dorinda
That last post is from another member not me ;)
Celia
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Sorry Celia, thanks for letting me know!
Dorinda
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Hi Dorinda
As promised Looked at the Nonconformist film I found Ada Nellie was buried 10Th January 1951 M.O.B.3rd sub section 13G grave 319.Yesterday because My own time ran out (didn't realize how long i had been in the library doing other stuff ;D ) I didn't have time to go all through 1949 to look for John Roland Grimshaw.So I went back today and would you believe it John Isn't buried in Rake Lane.I thought that strange so went back again this time looking at all the Johns in case i Missed him. But no he isn't there,did you get his death year from his death cert or from B.M.D
The only thing I can think is that he was cremated or buried elsewhere.
Celia
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Celia
Many thanks for all your hard work on my behalf. I am really pleased that I now know where my Grandmother is buried.
With regard to my Grandfather I will double check my sources over the weekend.
Have a lovely weekend.
kind regards
Dorinda
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Dorinda
were you able to re-check the death date of John Roland Grimshaw? I never found him on any B.M.D registrations.
unless he is mistranscribed.
Celia
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Celia
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
I have just checked my records and find that John Roland Grimshaw died on 30th November 1947! This should help!
Many thanks again
Dorinda
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Thank you :) I will look in 1947 for you.
Celia
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John Rowland Grimshaw N.C.
1947 Buried 3rd December age 73
M.O.B third (sub)
Sec: 13g Grave 319.
Celia
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P.S.I had a look in the Kellys Directory for any Grimshaws living in aria in 1946. In the long list of that name there was only 2
Mrs Ada Grimshaw. 267a Wallasey Village
J.N. W.M. Grimshaw Steward 4 Burns Avenue Liscard.
The others lived various parts of wirral
Celia
They lived in 62 Albion street ;)
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Celia
I am really pleased with all the information which you have found for me!
Many many thanks.
Kind Regards
Dorinda :)
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Your welcome
Celia
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Hello Celia
Here I am again asking for a look up.
This is the information I have.
Robert Davies died around 5/7/1918 that was the date of his will being granted, so he would have died a bit earlier.
He requested to be "creamated and that his ashes be buried in Rake Lane Cemetary, Liscard?, in the same grave as his late cousin Harriet Keyworth"
I think he was COE. Donated a lot of money to Saint Lukes Church, Poulton
I have Harriet dying in 1916, Wallasey, Wirral, Cheshire WAL/68/34
Robert Davies AGE 76 WALLASEY, WIRRAL, CHESHIRE WAL/71/12 UKBMD
age 76 Birkenhead Apr-June 1918 8a 612 FreeBMD
Robert's address in 1918 was "Hilbe?" Warren Drive, New Brighton which was also known as 55 Warren Drive in the 1911 census
Hopefully there will be some information on his plaque as I would have thought he would have a rather large headstone thingy. Any information would be gratefully recieved.
Kind regards
Linda
Raro20
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Could be Hilbre that? You could probably see Hilbre Island from where that house is situated.
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Hi
Thanks for that, on looking again that looks like the word.
Ta
Linda
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Hello again raro
He requested to be "cremated and that his ashes be buried in Rake Lane Cemetery, Liscard?, in the same grave as his late cousin Harriet Keyworth
Robert Davies died around 5/7/1918
I don't know where Robert would have been cremated because the one in Landican didn't open till 1934.
Robert's address in 1918 was "Hilbe?" Warren Drive, Hilbe sounds like it might be the name on his front gate,Lots of people gave there house a name in those days some still do.
I think I will look for Harriet's burial then hopfully find a headstone giving some information on Robert .Will get back to you on that probably tomorrow
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Thanks Celia
No hurry, he's not going anywhere fast!!!
Regards
Linda
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Just had a look at that address on Warren drive with the intention of taking a photo. New flats there I am sorry to say. Must have been a lovely view over the Irish sea when it was a house. Still is but flats.
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Hi raro/Linda
I have found the section that Harriet is buried on and the grave number.So will have to find the grave for you over the weekend
The Film reader was in use so couldn't do the burial look up,But I found an M.I
I.L.M.O
Harriet Beloved Wife Of the Late Walter Keyworth and cousin of Robert Davies. Died 7th November 1916.
I have a bit more to add to that will P.M you.
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Hi Linda
well i had a very fruitfull hour and a half on the burial request to day.I wasn't very convinced that Robert Davies family would take him Miles out of town to be cremated and have to pay cremation fees plus the service and the transportation fees to Liverpool maybe.Then have to go back to collect his remains. I found 2 twists the first surprised me the change of grave number second didn't when i had a look for Robert Davies.
1916
When buried November 11Th Harriet Keyworth age 54 years
Abode 55 Warren Drive
M.O.B. first class same section but Grave 74
I re-checked thee grave number given previously from thee M.I.and it does say Grave 10
1918
When buried April 30th Robert Davies age 76
Abode HILBRE Warren Drive
Parish New Brighton
M.O.B.sub 1st Class He is in the same grave as Harriet, Grave 74.
Its a good job I did the look-up today or I would have spend
time tomorrow looking for the wrong grave ;D Hope this answears your questions.
P.S. I forgot to look for walter ::)
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Sigrid
If you see this I found All three of your burials In St Hilary
They only say what you more or less know.The cemetery map was lost many years ago( read that somewhere)So although they have burial records.Where they are buried is unknown.I will P.M the records for you.
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Hello Celia
:)Thank you so much for your time and efforts.
Now I've got burial dates for both of them.
I'm sure Walter must be there to, as you'd think Harriet would be buried with him, still not really concerned with him, mainly Robert.
What does M.O.B. sub 1st class mean?
Did you find out where he was creamated? His Trustees would have paid for all the costs relating to the burial, as on adding up his will, he would have had in excess of fifty thousand pounds in the bank when he died, so a trip to Liverpool and back would have been not a problem for them.
It's interesting that he never ended up being buried with his family in Mostyn, but from the will, his links with Wallasey and Liverpool were very strong.
Thanks for all your help again, much apreciated :)
Linda
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Linda
Did you read all the post?
Did you find out where he was cremated?
Robert wasn't cremated he was buried in the same grave as Harriet.With Rake lane, if a person has been cremated and the remains have been scattered on a family grave.It would say Robert Davies (cremated remains) then give the grave they were scattered on.But only if the registrar was informed by the family.if he wasn't they wont be on any burial records.That's one of the reason burials are never found because family don't do it.No one will find my mums burial because no one in my family new at the time you could do that
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Hi Celia
Oh, so they buried him instead, maybe they didn't like burying ashes in a grave, which is what he asked for!!! I wonder what else the Trustees didn't do as per the will!!
Thanks
Linda
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Hello Certacito
That's interesting about the flats, could there be two Warren Drives as my sister took some photo's which I can't find now and she wasn't under the impression they were flats. Do you mean that the house is still there but used by several people not just one family? Or has it been knocked down?
Regards
Linda
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They are supposed to carry out the deceased last wishes.
When I ordered a couple of wills long ago.It included A list of monies payed out For various things.This is done before the rest of it is doled out to family ;D Do you live in oz by any chance,your up late and I'm going to bed night night ;D
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No there is only one Warren Drive and quite a "posh" area. The original house appears to have been knocked down.
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Hello Celia
Well close guess, I'm from New Zealand, so I'm now in evening mode and your morning.
I'm looking forward to the school holidays being over and back to normality and being able to get back to my geaneology only another week to go!!!
Night
Linda
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Linda
I now have a photo of the Gravestone,with it being first class it was easy to find.It isn't in very good condition though A few of the metal letters have fallen off.As much as i tried to visualize it i could not see how there could be 3 tiers missing off the two allready there making 5 tiers,you have the plinth, first tier second smaller.With the inscriptions on I have never seen a gravestone with 5 tiers.It would have looked like mini Sphinx ;D Because there isn't much concrete on the top stone.My guess is there was a cross like some others on the section.
Please P.M me your email so I can send you the photo ;)
Celia
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Hi Celia
Could you possibly do me a cpl of Rake Lane look ups please. I did try to find these when I visited Earlston Road but I drew a blank possibly as there are no headstones so I believe:
Catherine ellen macfarlane died 1st 1/4 1972 WAL/10a/2166
I am told she is buried on the side closest to the seaview road entarnce opposite what is now an ASDA. I believe she is CofE.
Also Owen Macfarlane died 1945 Wal/8a/566
He is the husband of the above so may well be in the same plot as the above but a relative I have spoken to says he isn't but does not know where he is buried but I suspect it will be Rake Lane.
Any information on any Macfarlanes buried in the cemetery would be welcome.
Many thnks
Chris Neil (Doncaster)
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Hi Celia...I wonder if you could do me the greatest favour and look up a grave (hopefully there is one) for me. My grandfather's first wife was Annie Maria Denton who died age 80 at 30 Demesne Street Wallasey on 18th December 1948. I have been advised by folks on rootschat that she maybe buried at Rake Lane. It has taken me four years to find her as my grandfather, was now as I have found out..a bigamist! Her death cert informant was Geo L. Waller, her son, which has of course got me worked up, I am still trying to find him. I still haven't found a suitable George Waller with Denton as the mother's surname and I have not been able to find her on the 1901 or 1911 census.
Best wishes
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Hi Celia
It looks like you have been doing some great work helping people out. I am an ex Wallasey guy living in Yorkshire and have discovered relatives buried in Rake Lane including my long lost "Irish" grandfather who turned out to be from Liscard!
You are probably already aware but if not I was told that at Earlston Road library they have a list of transcriptions of all graves that have headstones at Rake Lane.
Chris Neil