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Title: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Gracey on Sunday 27 November 05 16:21 GMT (UK)
Just wanted to see if anyone out there has links to the Smiths of Lothersdale.
Would love to hear from you.

gracey
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Monday 05 December 05 09:50 GMT (UK)
I have at least 40 Smiths from Lothersdale in my tree. As well as many others.

Let me konw a couple of your names and I will see if I have any of them.
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Gracey on Monday 05 December 05 16:40 GMT (UK)
My grandad was Atholl Roy Smith born 1925. His dad was Edmund Smith born 1891 and his dad was John Smith born 1861.

Hope this helps

Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Monday 05 December 05 16:42 GMT (UK)
Did John Smith Marry Priscilla Shuttleworth?
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Monday 05 December 05 16:58 GMT (UK)
I have Edmund Smith born 11 March 1891

Child of John Smith 1861 and Priscilla Shuttleworth 1865 both of Lothersdale

John's Father Edmund 1832 Lothersdale married Ellen born 1835 Lothersdale

Edmund 1832 son of William Smith 1799 married Elizabeth Wormall/Wormald?
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Gracey on Tuesday 06 December 05 19:47 GMT (UK)
This is definitely the same family tree. Do you mind letting me know how you are connected.
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 08:51 GMT (UK)
Your Smiths married into various parts of families that married into mine. .

I like to look at all branches and record them as it often leads to other family connections, so hence all my work on the families of Lothersdale.

Aldersley,Bowker,Foulds,Hudson,Moorhouse,Parker,Pickles,Procter,Riddiough,Rushton,Shields, Shuttleworth,Smith,Spencer,Teal,Todd,Whiteoak,Wilkinson,Wilson,Wormall,Wormwell.

These are all families that have married into or become part of my tree. Not all are bloodlines but all are from Lothersdale
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 09:18 GMT (UK)
Kinship of Edmund Smith
Name   Relationship with Edmund Smith   Civil   Canon
Aldersley, Elizabeth   Wife of the 3rd cousin 4 times removed      
Ann   Wife of the uncle      
Blades, Mary   Wife of the great-granduncle      
Boocock, Margaret   Wife of the 5th great-granduncle      
Bowker, Annie   1st cousin   IV   2
Bowker, Joseph   Husband of the aunt      
Brayshaw, Margaret   Wife of the 4th cousin 3 times removed      
Clough, Agnes   8th great-grandmother   X   10
Dorothy   Wife of the 4th cousin 3 times removed      
Driver, James   Husband of the aunt      
Ellen   2nd great-grandmother   IV   4
Ellen   7th great-grandmother   IX   9
Ellen   Grandmother   II   2
Elsmore, Annie   Wife of the 2nd cousin twice removed      
Foulds, Ann   3rd great-grandmother   V   5
Green, Rose Ann   Wife of the 1st cousin once removed      
Hall, Sarah Jane   Wife of the uncle      
Hannah   Wife of the 1st cousin twice removed      
Harrison, Elizabeth   Great-grandmother   III   3
Hustler, Edward   10th great-grandfather   XII   12
Hustler, Jeremiah   7th great-grandfather   IX   9
Hustler, Mary   6th great-grandmother   VIII   8
Hustler, Thomas   9th great-grandfather   XI   11
Hustler, William   8th great-grandfather   X   10
Jemima   Wife of the granduncle      
Lambert, Mary   8th great-grandmother   X   10
Margaret   Wife of the great-granduncle      
Maria   Wife of the 3rd cousin 4 times removed      
Mary   Wife of the uncle      
Mary   Wife of the uncle      
Maud, Hannah   Wife of the granduncle      



This is all I have on your line.

Elizabeth Aldersley is from my line, as i said very distantly related, but I think there are other links as both families have the same family names like Patience and Edmund, which are handed down through the generations.

I have followed up most of the lines so if you want deatails let me know.

Kinship report continued on the next post.
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 09:19 GMT (UK)
Overton, Elizabeth   2nd great-grandmother   IV   4
Riddiough, Rebecca Ann   Wife of the uncle      
Robinson, Janet   9th great-grandmother   XI   11
Rushton, Ann   Wife of the 2nd cousin 5 times removed      
Rushton, Ann   Wife of the 2nd cousin 5 times removed      
Rushton, Edith E   1st cousin   IV   2
Rushton, Harry   Husband of the aunt      
Rushton, Janet   1st cousin   IV   2
Rushton, John   1st cousin   IV   2
Rushton, Marietta   1st cousin   IV   2
Rushton, Smith   1st cousin   IV   2
Sarah   Wife of the 1st cousin twice removed      
Shuttleworth, Ada   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Ann   Aunt   III   2
Shuttleworth, Edith   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Elizabeth   Aunt   III   2
Shuttleworth, Ellen   Aunt   III   2
Shuttleworth, Fred   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, George   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Heaton   Uncle   III   2
Shuttleworth, Henrietta   1st cousin   IV   2
   Wife of the 1st cousin      
Shuttleworth, Hugh   Uncle   III   2
   Husband of the aunt      
Shuttleworth, James   Uncle   III   2
Shuttleworth, John   Grandfather   II   2
Shuttleworth, John   Uncle   III   2
Shuttleworth, Lizzie   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Martha   Aunt   III   2
Shuttleworth, Mary   Aunt   III   2
Shuttleworth, Mary   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Minnie   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Miranda   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Priscilla   Mother   I   1
Shuttleworth, Sarah Ellen   1st cousin   IV   2
Shuttleworth, Smith   Uncle   III   2
Shuttleworth, Unknown   Uncle   III   2
Smith, Alfred   Uncle   III   2
Smith, Alvin   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Ann   Aunt   III   2
Smith, Annie   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, Annie   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Chadwick Joseph   Husband of the aunt      
Smith, Edith   Aunt   III   2
Smith, Edith   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Edmund   Grandfather   II   2
Smith, Edmund   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, Edmund   Uncle   III   2
Smith, Edmund   Self      0
Smith, Elizabeth   Great-grandaunt   V   4
Smith, Elizabeth   Aunt   III   2
   Wife of the uncle      
Smith, Elizabeth   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, Ellen   2nd great-grandmother   IV   4
Smith, Ellen   Aunt   III   2
Smith, Ernest C   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Fanny   Aunt   III   2
Smith, Hannah   Wife of the 1st cousin 3 times removed      
Smith, Henry   Great-granduncle   V   4
Smith, John   2nd great-grandfather   IV   4
Smith, John   Great-granduncle   V   4
Smith, John   Granduncle   IV   3
Smith, John   Father   I   1
Smith, John R   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, John W   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Jonathan   Granduncle   IV   3
Smith, Jonathan   1st cousin   IV   2
   Husband of the 1st cousin      
Smith, Joseph   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, Maggie   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Mary   Grandaunt   IV   3
Smith, Mary   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Norman   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, Patience   Grandaunt   IV   3
Smith, Patience   Aunt   III   2
Smith, Richard   Great-granduncle   V   4
Smith, Stanley   1st cousin   IV   2
Smith, William   Great-grandfather   III   3
Smith, William   Granduncle   IV   3
Smith, William   Uncle   III   2
Smith, William   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Smith, William   1st cousin once removed   V   3

Continued on next post

Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 09:20 GMT (UK)
Snowden, Leah   Wife of the granduncle      
Swire, Hannah   Wife of the 3rd cousin 4 times removed      
Swire?, Leah   Wife of the 3rd cousin 4 times removed      
Teal, Anne   7th great-grandmother   IX   9
Teal, John   8th great-grandfather   X   10
Unknown   Wife of the uncle      
Wade, Mary   5th great-grandmother   VII   7
Walker, Hannah   Wife of the 2nd great-granduncle      
Walton, Mary   Wife of the 1st cousin 6 times removed      
Whitaker, Alice   Wife of the great-granduncle      


Continued from previous post
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 09:20 GMT (UK)
Whiteoak, Aaron   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, Abraham   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Alfred   Granduncle   IV   3
Whiteoak, Alfred   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Alice   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Alice   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, Alice   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Ambrose   Great-granduncle   V   4
Whiteoak, Andrew   3rd great-grandfather   V   5
Whiteoak, Andrew   Great-granduncle   V   4
Whiteoak, Ann   1st cousin 3 times removed   VII   5
Whiteoak, Ann   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Ann   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Ann   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Ann   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, Anna   5th great-grandaunt   IX   8
Whiteoak, Arthur   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Betty   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Betty   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Bridget   Great-grandaunt   V   4
Whiteoak, Cecilia Ellen   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Clara   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Clara   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Elizabeth   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, Elizabeth   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Elizabeth Ann   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Ellen   Grandmother   II   2
Whiteoak, Ephraim   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Ezra   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, Ezra   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Francis   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Fred   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Fred   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Fred   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, George   4th great-grandfather   VI   6
Whiteoak, George   2nd great-granduncle   VI   5
Whiteoak, George   Great-granduncle   V   4
Whiteoak, George   1st cousin 3 times removed   VII   5
Whiteoak, George   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Gertrude   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Hannah   1st cousin 3 times removed   VII   5
Whiteoak, Hannah   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Harrison   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Harry   2nd cousin   VI   3
Whiteoak, Hellena   5th great-grandaunt   IX   8
Whiteoak, Henry   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, Henry   Granduncle   IV   3
Whiteoak, Issac   Great-granduncle   V   4
Whiteoak, James   Great-grandfather   III   3
Whiteoak, James   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, James   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, James   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, James   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, James E   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Jane   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Jane   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Jeremiah   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, John   7th great-grandfather   IX   9
Whiteoak, John   6th great-grandfather   VIII   8
Whiteoak, John   5th great-grandfather   VII   7
Whiteoak, John   1st cousin 6 times removed   X   8
Whiteoak, John   2nd cousin 5 times removed   XI   8
Whiteoak, John   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, John   1st cousin 3 times removed   VII   5
Whiteoak, John   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, John   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, John   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, John   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, John   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, John Arthur   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Joseph   5th great-granduncle   IX   8
Whiteoak, Joseph   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Joseph   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Louise M   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Margaret   5th great-grandaunt   IX   8
Whiteoak, Margaret   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Margaret   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Margaret A   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Martha   5th cousin twice removed   XIV   8
Whiteoak, Martha Ann   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Mary   5th great-grandaunt   IX   8
Whiteoak, Mary   Grandaunt   IV   3
Whiteoak, Mary   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Mathew   1st cousin 3 times removed   VII   5
Whiteoak, Mathew   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, Moses   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, Nancy   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Rebecca   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, Robert   2nd great-granduncle   VI   5
Whiteoak, Samuel   4th cousin 3 times removed   XIII   8
Whiteoak, Sarah   5th great-grandaunt   IX   8
Whiteoak, Sarah Jane   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Selina   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Smith   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, Smith   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Whiteoak, Theresa   3rd cousin once removed   IX   5
Whiteoak, Thomas   5th great-granduncle   IX   8
Whiteoak, Thomas   Great-granduncle   V   4
Whiteoak, Thomas   1st cousin twice removed   VI   4
Whiteoak, William   5th great-granduncle   IX   8
Whiteoak, William   2nd great-grandfather   IV   4
Whiteoak, William   3rd cousin 4 times removed   XII   8
Whiteoak, William   Granduncle   IV   3
Whiteoak, William   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Whiteoak, William   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Whiteoak, William   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Wilkinson, Margaret   4th great-grandmother   VI   6
Wormall, Elizabeth   Great-grandmother   III   3
Wormall, Ellen   Great-grandaunt   V   4
Wormall, James   Great-granduncle   V   4
Wormall, John   2nd great-grandfather   IV   4
Wormall, John   Great-granduncle   V   4
Wormall, William   Great-granduncle   V   4

Continued from previous post
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Wednesday 07 December 05 09:23 GMT (UK)
Hope this helps you on your quest for your ancestors.

Helen ;D
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Gracey on Tuesday 13 December 05 11:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all the info, there's certainly a lot to take in. But I only had as far back as John Smith born 1861 so it has definitely added. Are you in contact with anyone else researching this tree? :)
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Rowdy Jnr on Tuesday 13 December 05 11:40 GMT (UK)
I have another line of Smiths born Elslack who are my direct line and I am in contact with them and one or two others on here are researching the Aldersleys.

Helen
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Sunday 26 March 06 11:01 BST (UK)
Looks like our trees are intertwined as far back as Edward Husrler born about 1537 in Silsden through to the children of Thomas Mason & Ellen Whiteoak married in Holy Trinity, Skipton in 1787.

My Smiths of Lothersdale go back to John Smith of Crawshaw born 1795 & through my mother's paternal & maternal lines of his sons:-
William born 1822 married Alice Riddihough
John Smith born 1827 married Martha ?

Like you I also have Haworths, Moorhouses & Shuttleworths so I wonder where we connect.

Binkie

Photograph taken about 1914:-
Back Row L-R Wm Robert/Jack/Thos W/Henry Morgan/Elsie
Front Row L-R Lily/Joe/Emily nee Morgan/Sarah Ann/Emily{my Grandma] & Frank.
Sister Martha is not on the picture as she did not believe that
photographs should be taken on a Sunday!
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: caimein on Friday 12 October 07 23:10 BST (UK)
I have a John Smith who married Ann Walbank in Thornton in Craven in 1822. Their first child, Betty, was baptised at Carlton in Craven in 1823. They were living in Lothersdale at the time of her baptism.
I do not know John's parentage however he was born c 1795. He died in 1860 in Skipton.
Does he fit in with any of your Smiths in Lothersdale.

Yours sincerely
Caimein
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Saturday 13 October 07 02:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Caimein

Doesn't look like there is a connection as my John Smith was married to Hannah & they had the following children:-
Mary c1818
Sarah c1819
William c1822 - 1873
James c1825 - 1889
John c1828 - 1866
Joseph c1830 - 1900
Henry c1834

Binkie
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: aud8 on Tuesday 23 October 07 22:02 BST (UK)
Hello, Thanks for all this information.
The photo of my Great Grandma, and Jack my Grandad and all their family, was a delight for all my family.
My Father was William Smith Jacks oldest son. Of course we now have grandchildren of our own who are growing up very fast, and it was lovely to share all this with them.
I have done much research into ourfamily tree now for many years, and belIEve that the John of our direct line(ie. Kenneth Wilson's lists) and the William were brothers. I think they can also be traced back to the Smith's at Raygill and Marlhill. Well before this. I have looked at the registers in North Allerton. But there is a gap for a couple of generations.as in many registers. I think the land registry could be my next port of call. Many thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: muffti on Thursday 11 November 10 17:39 GMT (UK)
My Grandfather was Ernest Smith born 1875 and, when I was very young,  lived in Eastburn. My father wrote that:

"I never knew any of my grandparents Grannie Smith apart, who was Squeaky Jack’s second wife. All four grandparents must have been type specimens comparable to my parents. Squeaky Jack was born in Lothersdale, a Quaker, who would allow no quarter in the Meeting House – he left the Society of Friends in order to become a Primitive Methodist Local Preacher."

I have found John Smith, Ernest's father, on the Census and he was born in 1840 in Carlton, Lothersdale. However,  when I look on the 1841 census I find 3 John Smiths born with 2 years of 1840 and all living in Dale End, Carlton.

I would be ever so grateful for any help in identifying whether John's parents were: Robert & Hannah, Josh & Dinah or Henry & Sarah. 

Muffti :)
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Friday 12 November 10 08:47 GMT (UK)
There were 3 Smith familes in Lothersdale which were named by Kenneth Wilson in his pedigree research as follows:-
Harry O Martha's
Smiths of the Hare & Hounds
Smith Owlcoates & Mire Close

I am descended form Harry O Martha's & have a large database for that family but the only Ernest Smith in that tree was born in 1895 to Tillotson & Mary Ann Smith.  It will take some time to trawl through the other family trees, which I have, as they are handwritten & A! size.

Is this the family in question:-
John Smith born 1840 Lothersdale
Mary Smith born 1840 Eastburn
Ann Smith born 1862 Eastburn
Thomas Smith born 1868 Eastburn
Ernest Smith born 1875 Shipley

Stupid question but do you have the marriage certificate for John & Mary as this would at least give you his father's christian name?

I will be away from home until Sunday night so won't be able to do any research till then



Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: muffti on Saturday 13 November 10 09:49 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for the prompt reply Binkie

It certainly looks like this is the same family. This is from the 1881 census:

SMITH, John   1840   Lothersdale
SMITH, Mary   1840   Kildwick
SMITH, Ann   1862   Kildwick
SMITH, Martha   1864   Kildwick
SMITH, James   1866   Kildwick
SMITH, Thomas   1866   Kildwick
SMITH, Ernest   1875   Shipley
SMITH, John William   1881   Shipley

I was a bit spooked by the mention of Kildwick for a while but the 1891 Census shows the same family but gives Ann and Thomas's birthplaces as Eastburn not Kildwick.

You ask: "Stupid question but do you have the marriage certificate for John & Mary as this would at least give you his father's christian name?" The answer is "No, not yet."

I have a subscription to FindMyPast and have always tried to explore Census Returns, message boards etc before obtaining Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates.

I am really looking froward to hearing from you again but don't feel under any pressure.

Thanks again.  :) :) :)



Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Saturday 13 November 10 22:38 GMT (UK)
Managed to get home a day early!

As far as I’m aware your John Smith is not related to any of the 3 trees I mentioned earlier.  From the 3 possible parents you listed in your original posting, I would discount:-
•    Henry & Sarah
•   Joseph & Dinah as their son John was still single in 1871
However on looking at the 1841 census, it would appear that the John Smith born c1840 is not the son of Robert & Hannah as their ages are c75 & 65 respectively (remember 1841 census ages are rounded up or down to the nearest 5). It would seem that they are grandparents & the actual parents are Thomas & Ann.  There are baptisms for children of Thomas & Ann Smith at Christ Church, Lothersdale as follows:-
Benjamin born 9 May 1838 – baptised 1 December 1839
John born 2 November 1839 – baptised 1 December 1839
Thomas’s occupation is given as weaver and the address as Dale End

I haven’t been able to find a marriage for Thomas Smith to Ann nor John Smith to Mary.  As you are no doubt aware Smith is very difficult to research as it is one of the most common surnames

The confusion with place names is that sometimes the parish is given as birthplace e.g.
Lothersdale is in the Parish of Carleton (Carlton) in Craven
Eastburn is in the Parish of Kildwick.

I think that John & Mary must have been married c1860-61 as there is an 1861 census entry at 11 Turnpike Road, Eastburn:-
John Smith - Cotton Warp Dresser local Methodist Preacher – Age 21 – Kildwick*
Mary Smith – Age 21 – Kildwick
*Given the age & occupation of John Smith, I think this is incorrect & should be Lothersdale or Carlton

You will have to track down birth & marriage certificates before you can be certain as to whether the above is correct.

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: muffti on Monday 15 November 10 19:32 GMT (UK)
I looked at your reply and thought : “Wow this is going to be easy. There were three John Smith’s born in 1840 in Lothersdale and you suggest I discount 2 of the families. That means there’s one left. BINGO”

I was wrong. I did a search in the 1851 census for John Smith born within 2 years of 1840 in Lothersdale and found that there were 4 John Smiths listed not three as I had expected.

The first 2 are the ones that are easy to discount:

John SMITH aged 11, born 1840, working as a Bobbing Winder, born Lothersdale the son of Joseph &  Dinah Smith. Living at Dalend, Carlton, Lothersdale.

John SMITH aged 13, born 1838, born Lothersdale the son of Henry & Sarah Smith. Henry was an Innkeeper & Farmer Of 17 Acres. Living at Dalend, Lothersdale.

The third might be the son of Thomas and Anne. Listed living at 80 Woodhead Lothersdale are:

SMITH,     Thomas,   Head, Married, M, 34, 1817, Power Loom Weaver   
SMITH,     Jane,        Wife, Married, F, 33, 1818      
PICKLES, Sophia,     Daughter, F, 13, 1838, Power Loom Weaver   
PICKLES, Benjamin, Son, M, 12, 1839,   Weaver
SMITH,    John,         Son, M, 11, 1840
SMITH,    James,       Son, M, 7, 1844,
PICKLES, Isabella,    Daughter, F, 10, 1841, Weaver
PICKLES, Simon,      Son, M, 6,   1845
PICKLES, Elizabeth,  Daughter, F, 0 (6 MOS), 1851

All the above were born in Lothersdale except for Simon who was born in Cowling. This might just make sense if this John Smith was the son of Thomas and Anne’s son, and Anne had died and Thomas had re-married to Jane (nee Pickles.)

The 4th John Smith was living at Mount, Kildwick in 1851 with 3 Uncles:

SMITH, John, Head, Unmarried, M,52, 1799, Hand Loome Weaver, born Cowling
SMITH, Christopher, Brother, Unmarried,   M, 44, 1807, Hand Loome Weaver, born Cowling
SMITH, George, Brother, Unmarried, M, 41, 1810, Hand Loome Weaver Wors, born Cowling
SMITH, John, Nephew, M, 11, 1840, Errand Boy, born Lothersdale

The three elder Smith’s can be found on the 1841 Census with Mary aged 70 (their mother) living at Cowling Hill, Kildwick, Cowling.

I think you are right and I will have to track down birth & marriage certificates before I can be certain of anything. Although I’m not expecting a lot of joy for, as you point out, the Smith name is very difficult to research.  Still my wife’s mother was an Evans who married a Jones and we have made progress there so miracles do happen. Onward and upward.

Thanks again for you help.

Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Tuesday 16 November 10 09:10 GMT (UK)
Thomas Smith married Jane Pickles on 28 July 1850 at Christ Church, Lothersdale.  It looks like a widower & widow got married which was quite common then when there was no welfare state.  If I find anything else, I'll let you know.

Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Tuesday 16 November 10 09:32 GMT (UK)
The Primitive Methodist Chapel in Lothersdale has a baptism entry for Thomas Smith, son of Robert & Hannah of Dale End born 20 December 1816 baptised 1 February 1817.  Occupation of Robert is given as Comber
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Tuesday 16 November 10 09:42 GMT (UK)
I don't know why I didn't find it first time around but there a baptism entry for a James Smith in the Christ Church PR as follows:-
Born 8 October 1843
Baptised 7 August 1845
The family are living at Brigstone and the occupation of Thomas is given as weaver
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: edcull on Sunday 08 January 12 15:39 GMT (UK)
I don't know if it helps, but I've got a conveyance for three cottages in the Fold sold on 19/02/1814 to a Joseph Smith, Carpenter of Thornton.

Regards
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Sunday 08 January 12 16:25 GMT (UK)
That sounds very interesting as I'm interested in Smiths from Lothersdale & Thornton. I'll send a PM giving you my email address.

Thank you in anticipation!
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: edcull on Sunday 08 January 12 17:16 GMT (UK)
Problem with PM.

I really do not have a lot more than this.

The next document that I have is date 1895 when the properties were sold by Hannah Wallbank, Fell Lane, Keighley, Widow to John William Smith, The Fold who is stated to be a grocer. It states that the dwellings were unoccupied.

The next sale shows the property to be a dwelling house, a shop and a warehouse.

From my reading of the 1814 document the sale included the three cottages and some land for £191.00 The 1895 transaction appears to be only the cottages for £42.00

Obviously there were sales of land / cottages between 1814 and 1895, or HW kept the land (unlikely).

Hope this helps

Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Monday 09 January 12 14:47 GMT (UK)
John William Smith born 1873  is part of my direct Smith family as he was the son of Sarah Ann Smith
who later married Eli Riley on 7 Aug 1880 at Christ Church, Lothersdale.  She was the sister of my great grandfather Henry Smith.

Must have a look to find out more about Hannah Wallbank on Ken Hartley's website The Hartley/Wallbanks of Craven:-
http://www.tribalpages.com/family-tree/klondyke49

I will now look through the Thornton In Craven Parish Registers for the Joseph Smith you mention in your original posting.

Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: edcull on Monday 09 January 12 15:00 GMT (UK)
Pleased I could help.
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: lema on Saturday 01 June 13 00:33 BST (UK)
Hello,

I too have Smiths from Lothersdale on my family tree but I can't find mention of these in anyone's post. I have a David Smith b.1815 who marries Elizabeth Harley and they have the following children: -
Henry Smith B.1836 Lothersdale, John Smith b. 1838 Cowling, Peter Smith B. 1840 b.Cowling, Heaton Smith b.1842 Cowling, William Smith b.1844 Cowling, Frederick Smith b.1847 Cowling, Septimus Smith b.1849 Lothersdale, Jane Smith b.1852 Lothersdale, Martha Smith b.1854 Lothersdale, Annie Smith b.1860 Lothersdale

Elizabeth Harley's sister Alice also marries a Smith - Heaton Smith born in Cowling and I wondered if they were brothers. They have the following children for them; -
John Smith b.1855 and Jane Smith b.1857

I thought that it was probable that at least David Smith's parents had been John Smith b.1871 and Martha Cowgill b.1782.

Does anyone have any information about any of the above? I'd be delighted to learn some more. Thanks
Title: Re: Smith Family of Lothersdale
Post by: Binkie on Saturday 01 June 13 14:58 BST (UK)
This is what I have for David Smith who married Elizabeth Hartley:-
David born Cowling 1815 son of John Smith & Martha Nelson who were married at St Andrew's Kildwick on 27 Sep 1808.

Father - John Smith born 04 Sep 1780, baptised 15 Oct 1780 in St Mary's, Carleton son of John Smith & Ann Heaton who were married at St  Mary's, Carleton on 25 Apr 1775.

John Smith was born about 1750
Anne Heaton was born in 1753 & was baptised in St Mary's, Carleton on 30 Dec 1753, daughter of Robert Heaton & Mary Edmis(t)on who were married at St Mary's, Carleton on 30 Jul 1744

Mother - Martha Nelson born about 1787 & died 26 Jul 1826 (Cowling Hill Baptist Memorial Inscriptions)

Children as follows
John born about 1810
James born about 1813
David as above
Peter - 1816
Edmund - 1822
Hannah  - 1823
Heaton - 1824 who married Alice Hartley on 27 Feb 1854 in Christ Church, Lothersdale
Daniel - 1825
Stephen - 1826

Elizabeth & Alice were the daughters of Peter Hartley & Jane Proctor who were married in St Mary's Carleton on 10 Dec 1812.

Elizabeth Hartley (born 30 Jan 1817 - died 27 Jul 1884)
Alice Hartley born (10 Jul 1819 - died  20 Feb 1904)
Peter & Jane had the following:-
Elizabeth & Jane as above
Mary  - 16 Jan 1822
Richard - 12 Oct 1825
Jane - 07 Apr 1827
Rachel Maria - 17 Mar 1834 never married - died 17 Mar 1834 Lothersdale
Esther Sophia - 17 Mar 1834 (twins) never married & died 19 Jun 1915 Lothersdale
Hannah - 11 May 1834

Peter Hartley was born 26 Aug 1792 & was baptised on 25 Dec 1840 in Christ Church, Lothersdale.
His parents were John Hartley & Betty.
Peter Hartley died on 19 Jan 1856 & was buried at Christ Church Lothersdale on 23 Jan 1856

Jane Proctor was born in 1793 in Keighley & died 08 Dec 1870 & was buried at Christ Church Lothersdale on 13 Dec 1870

I've done this in a hurry so if there are any queries, let me know & I will rectify any mistakes.

Agnes aka Binkie