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Title: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: jackhammer on Tuesday 06 December 05 08:58 GMT (UK)
Does anyone know where I can find out the names of London victuallers in the 1800s and the pubs they owned and/or managed,

Regards Jack
Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: jorose on Tuesday 06 December 05 13:31 GMT (UK)
Some you might find on www.historicaldirectories.org (remember to try searching for names as Lastname Firstname!)  Or other directories, if the applicable dates/places aren't available on that site.  (some are linked from GENUKI, some you'd have to find in record offices etc).  Addresses on censuses/certificates can also be a hint since many of these jobs were live-in.
Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: johnl on Wednesday 07 December 05 15:51 GMT (UK)
Try the London Metropolitan Archives.

johnl
Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: Jane Eden on Wednesday 07 December 05 18:50 GMT (UK)
Hi

Alehouse recognizances are in the quarter session records. These are the victuallers being granted their licence for the alehouse. As johnl said you will find them at the archives.

Jane
Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: behindthefrogs on Thursday 08 December 05 14:04 GMT (UK)
The above replies assume that you were talking about licensed victuallers.

A victualler handled and often sold food and drink and if that didn't include alcohol wouldn't be licenced.

From 1828 to 1869 a beerhouse or alehouse keeper was something slightly different as he only sold beer , often from his front room and usually had another job.  The beerhouse would often be named and later became a public house.  He paid 2 guineas for his licence and I am not sure whether that would appear in quarter sessions records, although I think this is what Jane is referring to above as alehouse recognizances.

A licensed victualler was much rarer in this period and paid £50 plus £1 a gallon sold for spirits (from 1736).  He sold spirits and was much more closely controlled.  In the 16th and 17th centuries only a small number of towns were allowed a specified number of taverns greater than one.  London was allowed 40.

After 1869 many Beerhouse keepers became licensed victuallers.

In 1888 the responsibility was handed over to the newly formed County Councils and so the licences will appear in their records.  There were still different licences to sell only beer as there were in the middle of the 20th century.

David
Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: hlbradd on Friday 16 December 05 19:29 GMT (UK)
This site is worth checking out if you have pub links.


http://londonpublichouse.com/


Helen

Title: Re: Victuallers and their Pubs
Post by: jackhammer on Saturday 17 December 05 05:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks Helen I'll give it a try

Regards Jack