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Title: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 28 January 06 10:03 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find out where OldKilpatrick Cemetery is.
I have several family members there from 1800's.
I do know know if they are all buried together in a plot, or in single graves  ???
How would I find out?
I did contact the council, but had no reply  :-\
I would like to find out where their graves are so I can visit them when I come up to Scotland in May.

Does anyone know how else I could find out  ???

Thank you.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: winniep on Saturday 28 January 06 11:29 GMT (UK)
Hi there

there is definetly a cemetery in old Kilpatrick if you contact West Dunbartonshire council offices in Clydebank. I have spoken to a chap I work with and he says if you contact the burials department in Cochno Street Clydebank and they may be able to help you

Regards

Winniep :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 28 January 06 12:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you winniep
I have sent an e mail to them.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Sunday 29 January 06 14:32 GMT (UK)
I contacted the Clydebank Library and they have given me a stone number. So they must be all buried together.
And they gave me the e mail address of the lady who is in charge of the cemetery.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Wednesday 01 February 06 11:25 GMT (UK)
I have had an e mail back.
There are 3 lairs which my ggg grandfather bought in the cemetery.
I now know who is buried in which lair, and I have now found my g grandmother who is buried there too.
I never knew when she died until now, so that is another death certificate I can order.

But her husband James Munn, who died 39 years after here is not buried in any of they lairs.
I cannot find him  ???

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 06 February 06 16:42 GMT (UK)
Old Kilpatrick cemetery is a beautiful place -lots of my rellies are buried there & I myself have bought  a plot there(long story!)
There are lots of OLD Graves here including Covenanter's & others.Just to warn you my G-Grandfather made his own headstone-he was a Stonemason but unfortunately it was destroyed in the 1968 storm.My grandfather & his elder brother went to view it but it was prohibitively expensive to repair so there is nothing to mark their grave.
It is in the Churchyard & right on the main road with the OK hills in the background.There are family vaults too & the cemetery is divided into Old/new.I have spent many a happy hour trawling round the graves! I know sad  I have always been fascinated by cemeteries
If you give me names I might recall or have a look next time I am home
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 06 February 06 17:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Joette,
How sad your g grandfathers head stone was destroyed in the storm.
The graves we are going to visit are very old too, so I am not we will be able to read them.
They are of my ggg grandfather Daniel Munn 5th Nov 1875 and his wife Janet Munn 28th Aug 1889 and their Daughter Agnes who died in 1850 age 2.Son Walter 17th July 1872 age 22.
Margaret Munn 1906, plus more Munn's.
They are in section 34.

Let me know if you do find them, when we come up in May to visit, I have to ring up another cemetery for someone to come and meet us at OK Cemetery to show us the plots.

Thanks

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 06 February 06 17:10 GMT (UK)
Sounds like you will find them in the front part of the graveyard.Munn is a name I recognise were there any descendants left in the area do you know?
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 06 February 06 17:22 GMT (UK)
My g grandfather Andrew Munn died in 1915 WW1 in France, he had four brothers Walter, Daniel, John and James, I think they all died too except John.
They had two sisters Jessie and Margaret, I don't know what happened to the, I plan to find out when I visit the Mitchell Library in May.
Their mother died in 1906, and their father in 1945 (James Munn)
He is not buried there, we cannot find him, Clydebank local history have tried to help.When he died he was in Risk St Home, but then we think he moved to an Asylum in Lochgilphead, Argyll,senile for the last six moths of his life. He may be in a paupers grave, and I know of no family after him.
Though I have been told there are still Munn's in the area.
It would be great to meet some descendants.


Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 06 February 06 17:29 GMT (UK)
Yes I knew Munn's in the area they lived in Faifley I think the Father's name was Alex.Munn so maybe a descendant.Worth putting in a notice into the Clydebank Post asking for any Munn's to get in touch.I'm sure there must be a few still about.
Risk St must have come under Argyll Healthboard at the time otherwise I would have expected Gartnavel for him. If he had no family was probably buried in local cemetery to the Ayslum.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 06 February 06 17:36 GMT (UK)
That's a good idea, is there a Clydebank post on line?
Or do you mean a news paper?

Risk Street Home, was in Dumbarton, and was on his death cert, but Lochgilphead, Argyll at the top, so the Dunbarton Library reckon, he died soon after moving to Lochgilphead that is why his old address id still on the Death Cert.
And it makes sense as he had senile decay over 6 months, as stated on the cert.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Wednesday 08 February 06 13:28 GMT (UK)
88,Dumbarton Road, Clydebank, Dumbartonshire,Scotland G81 1UG is the address for the Clydebank Post it is the local paper & covers Clydebank,Yoker,OK & Dumbarton.You could also try the Lennox Herald.
The Post is also e-mailable
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Wednesday 08 February 06 21:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Joette,
Thank you for the address, I will contact them.
I will let you know if I have any luck  ;)

Look out for me in the cemetery  ;)
I will be with my parents too.

pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Thursday 09 February 06 01:26 GMT (UK)
That is a fantastic idea - I think you should do it.

We get the local rag every week, I'll keep an eye open for your plea.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 10 February 06 19:32 GMT (UK)
Going through some papers my Uncle gave me, I just realized that my Great Grandfather Anthony Coyle is also buried in Old Kilpatrick burial ground. 

Section 35, lair 38.

I have no idea whether there is a stone on the grave, or if he is buried alone.  Anthony died July 31, 1912 at 35 New Street, Duntocher.

Perhaps if anyone is going to visit there, you could have a look for me?
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Saturday 11 February 06 11:03 GMT (UK)
I'll make a note of the details and go in for you, it's only along the road from me.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 11 February 06 12:10 GMT (UK)
I was going to say I will look for you, but I am not going till May.


Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 11 February 06 19:03 GMT (UK)
I'll make a note of the details and go in for you, it's only along the road from me.

Thank you!!!!   8)  8)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Saturday 11 February 06 19:09 GMT (UK)
I'll nip along Monday, then there will be someone there to ask.

The place I'm thinking of is called Dalnottar Cemetery, so I'm not 100% sure if it's there or the one futher along the A82, it's no problem to ask.

I'll take the camera with me. It isn't too sinister to go to a cemetery with a camera is it?  :o
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 11 February 06 19:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Miss Pooh's
A couple of days before I visit the cemetery, I have to make a telephone call, and I think it is to the groundsmen of Dalnattar cemetery to arrange to meet them there, so I can find the correct Lair.
I will double check my e mail from Clydebank and get back to you, so you don't have a wasted journey.

Nah take a camera, ;) I will when I go.
Pettsy

Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 11 February 06 20:09 GMT (UK)
I always take a camera to the cemetary. 

Dalnottar??  I thought that the Old Kilpatrick burial ground was different to Dalnottar.  But then.... that was an assumption on my part... and we all know what assuming does!

Holy cow..... I was in Dalnottar 3 years ago, taking photo's of my Stewarts, and it never occurred to me to look for Anthony Coyle there.

I have two bills of purchase for plots, one in 1953 calls the cemetary Dalnottar, the other in 1912 calls it Old Kilpatrick.  So you can see how I thought they were different.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 11 February 06 20:40 GMT (UK)
No Old Kilpatrick is a different cemetery.

But as I don not know where abouts of section 34, Lairs 42, 43 & 44 (where my ancestors are buried) I was told to ring 01389-873790, and the men at North Dalnottar cemetery will call me back and arrange to meet me and show me where the Lairs are. And to give them a couple of days notice.

If Miss Pooh's knows where to do, she will not need to do that.
I just thought it would save her searching.


Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 11 February 06 21:12 GMT (UK)
ahhh.... I see now!  Thanks for the input Pettsy, now I don't feel so dumb for not looking in Dalnottar for my Anthony!  LOL!
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Saturday 11 February 06 22:26 GMT (UK)
I think I know which one to go to now  ;), but I'll have to ask where the section and lair are.

It's no bother they aren't far away.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Monday 13 February 06 10:25 GMT (UK)
OK I phoned WDC, and they told me that the lair you're after is actually in the church yard at Old Kilpatrick Parish church.

I'll phone the grounds man and see if I can find out anything else.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 13 February 06 11:01 GMT (UK)
Miss Pooh's
Can you find out where section 34 is while you are there please.
I have 3 lairs to look for 42, 43, & 44.
Thanks.

Pettsy  :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Tuesday 14 February 06 09:14 GMT (UK)
I'll do ma best.

Andrew is off school until tomorrow so I'll not be going down with him in tow - even by my standards, taking a 7yr old to a grave yard is a bit off - he'd never sleep again!!!  ;D

I'm going back into hospital Friday too, so I'll try and get as much info before I in  ;)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Tuesday 14 February 06 09:57 GMT (UK)
No don't take you son  :o
And what did you do in the half term sonny?  ;D

There is no hurry for me as we are not coming up until May.

Thanks

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: david meikle on Saturday 18 February 06 17:42 GMT (UK)
I was in the cemetery today looking for section 47 lair 11 Edward Boyce.

As with most cemeteries I have visited so far there were few markings but I got the impression that the grave will be in the Churchyard.

I am going to get a map from the council but if anyone knows how to navigate the cemetery I'd love to know.

There is a cemetery through the back which is not visible from the bulk of the old cemetery. Do not go there without a map :-))

I plan to return next Saturday so if anyone needs anything checking out let me know.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 18 February 06 19:43 GMT (UK)
I plan to return next Saturday so if anyone needs anything checking out let me know.


Hi David,

Miss Poohs was going to try and get to the cemetary for a look round, but she did mention that she had to go in to the hospital on Friday.  So perhaps her health might not allow her to make the visit before your planned expedition!

If you get the chance, I am looking for Anthony Coyle in Old Kilpatrick burial ground. 
Section 35, lair 38.

Also, I think Pettsy wanted a couple of lairs checked in section 34.

Deb in BC


Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 18 February 06 19:52 GMT (UK)
Hi David,
Thank you.
If you can manage to look in section 34, lairs 42,42 & 44.
For Daniel Munn and his family, that would be great.
At you could at least tell me where abouts to go when we visit in May.

Thanks for remembering me Deb  ;)

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: david meikle on Saturday 18 February 06 23:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Deb

I will ask for a diagram for your people's grave site when I phone them on Monday.

I will post their response by Tuesday, hopefully, and photograph the lair on Saturday.

I was very impressed with Old Kilpatrick when I made my first visit today and can assure you that your people's lairs are in good hands.

Does anyone know how to upload images to this forum.

I photograped a nice headstone today from someone who had travelled from Charlottesville, Virginia 1996 to leave a headstone for his people.

By the miracle of the Internet I think I have found the man and await his response.

You are in Canada? The World is shrinking fast.

speak soon
David
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 19 February 06 19:39 GMT (UK)
Cheers David!!  If I remember correctly, to upload an image you have to link the picture to a url at a site like photobucket.  Alternately, if you have a pic to send me, PM me, and I will send you my main email addy. 

Deb in BC
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery. For Pettsy
Post by: tetcol on Wednesday 22 February 06 11:49 GMT (UK)
Hi there,
No. 34 is 5th row to the left of the path, and the 40's are behind that.
Cathy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Wednesday 22 February 06 12:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks Cathy  ;)

At least I will have an idea where I going now.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: david meikle on Wednesday 22 February 06 13:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Folks

A North Dalnottar (sp) Cemetery representative is meeting me on Saturday at 9.30 am in the grounds of Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.

I will take notes of who needs what and photograph the stones or unmarked graves where necessary.

Please upload any other sites asap.

I will report back before 5pm UK time on Saturday.

David
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Wednesday 22 February 06 14:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you David,  :)
If you  could take a photo of my 3 lairs please, I would be very grateful.
As I cannot wait until May to see them.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: david meikle on Wednesday 22 February 06 14:05 GMT (UK)
It's remarkable that Coyle and Munn are buried within a few feet of each other.

Looking forward to Saturday.

David
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 22 February 06 17:29 GMT (UK)
Thanks David!!  Can't wait to hear all about your day at the cemetary.   :D :D
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: david meikle on Saturday 25 February 06 16:03 GMT (UK)
I now have some photographs from the cemetery. Could the families of Coyle and Munn contact me by e-mail at david@soulfuldetroit.com.

David Meikle
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 25 February 06 17:50 GMT (UK)
sent you an email   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 27 February 06 18:46 GMT (UK)
Oh that's great, I have just received my computer back, it went for a service, I was lost without it  ;)
I will pm you know, thank you so much David.

Pettsy
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 27 February 06 19:00 GMT (UK)
Wait til you see the photo's pettsy!  Very nice.   :) :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Monday 27 February 06 19:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie I cannot wait, I didn't think the computer would be gone for so long  :(
I e mailed David, I can't wait, I will be logging on every hour  :D

Pettsy  :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Wednesday 01 March 06 10:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie they were great photos wern't they.
David is a star  ;)
And it looked a very well kept cemetery  :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Miss Poohs on Thursday 20 April 06 20:55 BST (UK)
I am delighted David was able to help out.

I did indeed end up back in hospital, so a self imposed putter bann was enforced  ::).

Hopefully all behind me now.

Just glad you got a positive outcome.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 24 April 06 17:56 BST (UK)
So glad you all got you photos! I love OK Cemetery it is such a peaceful place & so many of my loved ones lie there in fact I would say we take up about a third of the cemetery going back to about 1877 with the earliest & the latest about 1990.
We are dotted about the place with some in the old part & lots in the new.I have never feared death or where I will lie because it will be in Old Kilpatrick facing the hills!
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Saturday 06 May 06 19:28 BST (UK)
I will be at OK cemetery on Thursday, and guess what. I have found a descendant who lives in Lanark who we are going to meet.  :D
He is going to take us to the cemetery.
And other places.

It'll be great to meet a relative we have never meet before  ;)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: LindsaySiam on Wednesday 24 May 06 03:08 BST (UK)
Joette, could I ask you please to check for an Andrew Mor(r)ison, died 1811 in Old Kilpatrick Cemetery next time that you go?

Husband of Margaret Baird, father of William, Mary, Christian, Alexander and Andrew, if this helps ...

I finally got a clue to my Morrison brickwall, that his son, Andrew (b. Sep 1811 in O.K.) was born after he died so I would really appreciate you looking.

thanks,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Wednesday 24 May 06 13:04 BST (UK)
No problem will possibly be there Sunday weather permitting.
Are you expecting headstone?I will try & track down when he was buried even if there isn't one but don't know how far back the records go!
Do your Morrisons have any later connection with Helensburgh,the Queens Printer in Scotland(in this case Queen Victoria) & Scandinavia?
I have a living Morrison connection by Marriage & this is in his line.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: LindsaySiam on Wednesday 24 May 06 14:28 BST (UK)
Thank you very much, Joette. Not sure about a headstone, probably unlikely as I think they were quite poor people but who knows?

I don't know of any connection to Helensburgh or the Queen's Printer ... I have quite a few Morrisons in the Old Kilpatrick/Duntocher area though.

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Roger McStravick on Monday 03 July 06 10:30 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am trying to trace the gravesite of a Mary Gillies from St Kilda, who died on May 26th 1930.
Her baby, Annie, died on the same day. I am told that she is buried in a paupers grave in Clydebank. Is there any way of tracing graves? Any help would be much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Roger
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 03 July 06 15:11 BST (UK)
Roger try Clydebank District Council @Roseberry Place Clydebank.They should have a list of who is buried where.
If you find out which one it is next time I am home will take photo of Cemetery.I have a feeling it will be Kilbowie.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: ladynicnak on Sunday 26 October 08 12:35 GMT (UK)
I have had an e mail back.
There are 3 lairs which my ggg grandfather bought in the cemetery.
I now know who is buried in which lair, and I have now found my g grandmother who is buried there too.
I never knew when she died until now, so that is another death certificate I can order.

But her husband James Munn, who died 39 years after here is not buried in any of they lairs.
I cannot find him  ???

Pettsy

My gran's maiden name was Munn, from Drumchapel (right next to Duntocher). Her dad was Thomas Munn, and she has brothers so there are still a lot of Munns in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Sunday 26 October 08 13:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Ladynicnak

And welcome to Roots Chat  ;D

I am not sure if I have a Thomas in my tree, I will have a look. Do you know who Thomas was married to?

It would be great to find a link still in Scotland.

The other two siblings of my g grandfather, Andrew brown McAulay Munn, moved to New Jersey, America in the 1920's.
And hsim other sister Margaret Munn married a George Holdsworth Paton. She stayed in Scotland.

Oh and James Munn (Andrew's father) was buried at Lochgilphead cemetery in an unmarked grave, owned by Margaret Paton nee Munn.
She lived at Pine St Clydebank.

Pettsy  :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: ladynicnak on Sunday 26 October 08 13:08 GMT (UK)
I'll need to check with my dad, I only know my great gran (Thomas's wife) as Granny Munn! My gran's maiden name was Christina Munn and she has brothers James and Andrew and sisters Margaret and Mary. Her brother Thomas died when he was young, and Margaret has also now passed away.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Sunday 26 October 08 13:44 GMT (UK)
My great grandfathers siblings were William, Walter, James, John, Daniel, Margaret and Jessie.
William was the only on to survive WW1, because he was not born until 1901.
All the boys were killed.

PM me when you find out, and I will see if I still have my tree online to email to you.

Pettsy  :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: ladynicnak on Sunday 26 October 08 15:31 GMT (UK)
I should hear from my dad tomorrow so will be able to let you know then!!
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: pettsy on Sunday 26 October 08 15:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Gilljohn on Sunday 08 November 09 23:47 GMT (UK)
I'll make a note of the details and go in for you, it's only along the road from me.
I read your email on Rootschat and wondered if you had any details of burials in the Old Kilpatrick cemetery as I haven't been able to find where my grandparents were buried, and the Gillies/Conboy family lived at 12 Tolbooth, Old Kilpatrick.   My grandfather was Angus Gillies (born Dumbarton 1885, died Knightswood Hospital in 1917 (Tb).  As his aunt Catherine (Gillies) Conboy lived in O/K I thought he may be there. Also his wife Jessie (died 1917 of Tb at Ruchill hosp.)    Any help you can give would be really appreciated.. Thanks,  Gillian (Australia)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Okky1 on Saturday 03 April 10 15:07 BST (UK)
At one time did you either have to live in the area of the Cemetery or have money to be burried there?  My Gran &  her parents are all there just inside the gate. I hope to end up there but not for a long time. :)
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: joette on Monday 12 July 10 22:00 BST (UK)
I think going by my family who are buried there from the 1870's onwards   many lived in OK & where members of the Parish Church or the Barclay Church also in OK.
The others were from Dalmuir/Clydebank.I am also planning to join my kin there but not for a long long time either.

Title: Re: Is there an Alexander Dunn in Old Kilpatrick Cemetery who died about 1918.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Tuesday 14 May 13 20:00 BST (UK)
My Grandfather Robert Dunn was born in Old Kilpatrick in 1881. As a young man he walked to Hebburn on the river Tyne  (England) for work pre 1912 & stayed in the town until he died in 1969. His wife Elizabeth followed later with their two children in 1912. We were told by the family that Robert's brother Alexander Dunn died of wounds received in WW1 & he was given a Military Funeral in Old Kilpatrick & the whole town turned out including the Provost.

My son Simon is now trying to find out anything on Alexander Dunn as we no nothing apart from what I've just said.

I was wondering if Alexander has a gravestone in the cemetery at Old Kilpatrick so when I saw how helpful some locals  have been I thought I'd ask if someone could take a look for me.

The Dunn's lived lived in a few places in Old Kilpatrick including Hunters Land, Scotts Land, Church Place & Ferry Dyke.

Thank you for reading this.
NORMAN DUNN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: trystan on Tuesday 21 May 13 18:28 BST (UK)
Norman,

Thank you for your message that you sent us at RootsChat support. Hopefully somebody will read this post and come to your assistance.

Trystan
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Tuesday 21 May 13 19:24 BST (UK)
Alexander Dunn who I'm hoping to get some details about from his grave in Old Kilpatrick Cemetery had an older brother John Dunn.

John was in the Kings Own Scottish Borderers fighting in India & gained medals for the 1895 Punjab Frontier & also the Tirah Campaign in 1897-98. Then after 7 years or more in India he went to South Africa to fight in the Boer war 1900-1902. Not long afterwards he was discharged but then when WW1 broke out he joined up in a different regiment  & was killed 22nd July 1918. So he's an Old Kilpatrick hero yet no one knows much about him other than his name on a plaque close to the  Erskine Bridge.
Another brother born in Old Kilpatrick, Andrew was killed years later in 1941 when living at 131 Dumbarton Rd &  the Luftwaffe bombed Clydebank.   
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: mmm45 on Tuesday 21 May 13 21:46 BST (UK)
For Alexander it looks as though he died after discharge as he's not on CWGC that I can see so many need to find death certificate as there are a couple that fit in with him especially 4926 Alex Dunn who was discharged wounds
Hopefully the Death Certificate may have details

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/238953/DUNN, J

John's unit is on info above


http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3159864/DUNN, ANDREW

Here's Andrew
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 22 May 13 08:50 BST (UK)
Thank you 'mmm45' for the Links to John & Andrew Dunn.
Even though we already knew a little bit  about our two great uncles it is still nice to see they are remembered officially. Where did you find the info for an Alexander Dunn 4926?

In case this helps,Alexander Nicol Dunn was born at Scotts Land, Old Kilpatrick 1885 & married Martha McCallum in 1910. We were told he died of his wounds after the war (ww1).

Many thanks,
NORMAN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: IMBER on Wednesday 22 May 13 14:35 BST (UK)
Hi

Your Alexander Dunn died on 9 November 1927 at Larbert Asylum, Stirlingshire. His usual address was Old Church Place, Old Kilpatrick and his wife was shown as Martha McCallum. If you would like a copy of the death certificate then just send me a pm giving your email address and I will get that off to you.

Imber
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 22 May 13 17:55 BST (UK)
Dear 'Imber' , Thank you so much for helping me.
Our family story said that he was given a Military Funeral in Old Kilpatrick & the whole town turned out including the Provost. I now wonder if that was true seeing he died in Stirlingshire in 1927. What a surprise hearing that. I'd love a copy of the Death Certificate if you don't mind.

Thanks so much for your help.
NORMAN

Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Thursday 23 May 13 10:15 BST (UK)
Thanks to 'Imber' I now know a bit more about my family mystery. If you read my first post you will see that I am trying to find what happened to my Grandad's brother Alexander Nicol Dunn  who lived at old Church Place in Old Kilpatrick & he married  Martha McCallum in 1910. Then ww1 came along & Alexander was injured & died of wounds after the war. 'Imber' has discovered  that Alexander died on the 9th Nov 1927 in Larbert Lunatic Asylum.

What a shame that in those days a man fought for his country & ended up in a Lunatic Asylum. What a horrible word that is!.

So I now wonder did Old Kilpatrick really give him a Military Funeral with the Provost & the town turning out ?

If anyone can help further to solve my little mystery I'd appreciate it. Maybe there is a gravestone in OK Cemetery?
Thank you for reading this,
NORMAN DUNN 
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Seoras on Thursday 23 May 13 11:23 BST (UK)
Hi Norman, my great great gran died in Larbert but not everyone in there was for mental health problems. You may find this link useful in finding out more.

http://www.falkirkcommunitytrust.org/heritage/family-history/docs/Medical_records_for_family_history.pdf
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Thursday 23 May 13 11:46 BST (UK)
Dear Seoras,
Thank you so much for helping me & supplying me with that LINK.
I'll certainly have a look at it.

Best wishes,
NORMAN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Sunday 26 May 13 20:13 BST (UK)
Norman have you seen a picture of the plaque at Erskine Bridge. I can email you a copy of it if you wish my email address is (*). I went to old Kilpatrick churchyard and took pictures of the ww1 gravestones but as he died in Larbert in 1927 i would not have taken him as he would be on a family headstone if he is in there. I will check out the Graveyard at Larbert church to see if he could be buried in there.

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Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Sunday 26 May 13 21:23 BST (UK)
Hello King Ranger,
Thanks for your kind offer of taking a photo of the plaque but I have one already that I found on a Website recently.

Since I discovered Alexander Dunn died in Larbert Asylum I've found he was only in the place about 11 months. He died on the 9th Nov 1927 so is probably in Old Kilpatrick cemetery. His wife Martha nee McCallum was still living at old Church Place when he died.

It looks like our family story about him dying of wounds after WW1 is unlikely as he died 9 years after the war in 1927. Thank you all for your help.

If you see a Martha Dunn grave I'd be interested to know about it. I wonder if they had family?

Many thanks,
NORMAN DUNN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Sunday 26 May 13 21:37 BST (UK)
I did a lot of work at the Larbert Hospital when it was closing down moving people out into the community .As a previous poster said there was a big mix of what people were in there for. It is possible that he may have been taken back to Old Kilpatrick to be buried ,but would have depended on whether the family could pay to have this done.I only live five minutes from Larbert so i will check out the records for Larbert Church and Larbert cemetery.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Tuesday 28 May 13 21:19 BST (UK)
Hello King Ranger,
Thank you so much for taking the trouble to check it out for me. Its amazing how people like yourself & others are prepared to go the extra mile to help total strangers. Very much appreciated.

NORMAN DUNN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Tuesday 28 May 13 21:45 BST (UK)
Hi Norman, i have been at Larbert East Church graveyard today no joy there. I have arranged to view records of Larbert graveyard on Monday.If it is fine on Friday myself and my daughter will drive through to Old Kilpatrick and try to find the grave there.We have already done the ww1 graves in the churchyard but Alex would not be on one of them as he did not die till 1927. I will post on Friday night if we have any joy.
                                                       Colin
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 29 May 13 08:58 BST (UK)
Hello again Colin,
THANK YOU for taking the trouble to help a total stranger like me. I really appreciate it.
Even though Alexander Dunn was a Pauper in the 1920s I still wonder if he was maybe honoured with a Military style funeral paid for by the British Legion because he was a former soldier. My very first post mentions the family story about him getting a Military Funeral. Maybe it was a British Legion funeral? Thanks again Colin,
NORMAN 

Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Wednesday 29 May 13 09:28 BST (UK)
Hi Norman ,just by chance my mate who also happens to be my local Councillor dropped in last night.He saw me going through the pages of the RNSH and asked what i was up to.When i told him he straight away told me the records of every person that had been in the RNSH and the nearby Bellsdyke Hospital were held by the Forth Valley Health Board .If i have no joy at Oldkilpatrick on Friday then he will see what the procedure is to get access to them . He does not think myself or him will be allowed but is certain you as a relative would have every right to find the resting place of a relation.As i said i will post on Friday night and let you know how we got on in Oldkilpatrick .
                                               Colin.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Wednesday 29 May 13 09:30 BST (UK)
You could be right about the Legion as they were formed in 1921 so may very well have helped out .                              Colin.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 29 May 13 10:00 BST (UK)
Hi Colin,
I have already been onto the University of Stirling Archives who hold records for Larbert Asylum & their records say Alexander was a Pauper & admitted  on the 24th Dec 1926 and died on the 9th Nov 1927 age 42. He was a Rivetter so probably worked in the shipyards previously & his previous place of Abode was 'Old Church Place' in Old Kilpatrick with wife Martha McCallum..
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Wednesday 29 May 13 12:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Norman,it is the pauper part that has me worried there might be no headstone to find in Oldkilpatrick.As a pauper who would have paid for the funeral, the state might have done so but i have a doubt if they would have paid for Alex to be taken from Larbert to Oldkilpatrick, in 1927 that would not have been the easy journey it is today. Then there is the cost of paying for a headstone which even in 1927 were not cheap.But as you say the family might have got help from the Legion so i will remain optimistic we will find him in Oldkilpatrick.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 29 May 13 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi Colin,
I agree with everything you say. Paupers  definitely wouldn't have gravestones. The only way he'd have one is if  the British Legion helped out.

I wish we could find his records in the Army. My son looked on a website & found half a dozen Alexander Dunn's but no birth dates . He was born in 1885 so when WW1 started he'd be 29 ish. Thanks for all the trouble you are taking. Much appreciated.
Norman
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Wednesday 29 May 13 15:03 BST (UK)
Norman i am just back from Falkirk Camelon Cemetery the office has all deaths in Larbert ,Falkirk area. The women searched for him but according to their records no such person has been buried in Falkirk or Larbert.So looks like he may have been taken home after all. If my memory serves me right Oldkilpatrick is a large graveyard but with luck and my daughter helping we might manage to cover it all on Friday.                     
                                        Colin
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 29 May 13 15:23 BST (UK)
Hi Colin,
Thank you for checking out the Falkirk /Larbert area for Alexander Dunn's  death. Its good to know he must be in his hometown.
 
I honestly don't want you & your daughter running round Old Kilpatrick cemetery for me. That is too much . Old Kilpatrick  must have death records & can probably be accessed via a Family History site ..
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Wednesday 29 May 13 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Norman as far as i am aware Old Kilpatricks records are held in Clydebank,i go around Scotland taking photo's of ww1 headstones  as a hobbie.When i did Oldkilpatrick i did not have a list of names with me and as it turned out i missed about 4 graves ,i will try to get them on Friday as we search for Alexander.
                                          Colin
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Wednesday 29 May 13 20:43 BST (UK)
Thanks Colin
You are doing a great job going round Scotland photographing WW1 headstones. I appreciate you helping me but please don't spend too much time looking . I'm sure there will records somewhere that I can access..
I might not be able to post a reply to Friday's post because I'm away Friday afternoon  until Sunday but I'll certainly reply asap.
Many thanks Colin,
NORMAN DUNN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Thursday 30 May 13 19:20 BST (UK)
Hi Norman it was such a lovely afternoon that we headed down to Oldkilpatrick to do our search. Sorry to say not only did we not find Alexander we found no Dunns in the cemetery at all.We went round it twice just incase, we checked all the large headstones but also thought it would be more likely be on a small plaque with Alex being a pauper ,but found nothing at all. There are loads of what looks like graves that have no headstones which could be where Alexander is.We even looked for a plaque saying names of people buried in cemetery without headstones which i have seen in some places but no joy either. All i can suggest if you want to write to the offices in Clydebank and find out for sure if Alexander is there and get his grave number you can contact me at Seivy@aol.com and we will pop through and arrange a photograph of some kind.
                                 Colin
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Thursday 30 May 13 19:34 BST (UK)
Hello again Colin,
What a lovely person you are taking the trouble to look round gravestones for a stranger like me. Many many thanks for your fantastic help. I've just joined for a month with Ancestry.co.uk & I'm busy looking through my Dunn family that were born in OK. I've found that McDougal's are researching as well & I knew that Alexander's sister married a Joe McDougal so I might just get the info from one of them. I've added comments & my email address so hopefully I'll get a bit further with this mystery. Once I get some good info I'll post it on here Colin.
MANY thanks, you are a great man.
NORMAN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Thursday 30 May 13 19:42 BST (UK)
Only to glad to try and help anybody that fought through the Hell that was ww1 deserves more than Alexander appears to have got. I just Mentioned about the McDougal side to Tracey and we both bust out laughing as there are loads of them in the Graveyard.
                            Colin.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Friday 31 May 13 22:03 BST (UK)
I contacted Dumbarton today and Marie kindly looked up the records for Old Kilpatrick Churchyard .Sad to say she could find no record of any Alexander Dunn being buried there or in Old Dalnottar either .I gave her some more information regarding Alexander which she will check out on Monday.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Saturday 01 June 13 19:01 BST (UK)
Hello Colin,
Thank you for continuing to look for Alexander. You are like a dog with a bone. I'm really grateful for you helping me. What a good person you are Colin.
Many thanks,
NORMAN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Saturday 01 June 13 20:03 BST (UK)
Hi Norman, well Norman we know Alexander excisted,we know he died in Larbert Hospital we have the date so why is it so hard to find his last resting place. If we were in a third world country i could understand, but this drives me crazy that in Scotland we have records going back hundreds of years yet trying to find where Alexanders last place of rest is so much of a problem  .Anyway hope you are enjoying your weekend away.
                                          Colin.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: Norman Dunn on Thursday 27 June 13 10:34 BST (UK)
In mid May 2013 I asked for a bit help regarding my Grandfather's brother Alexander Nicol Dunn who was born in Old Kilpatrick in 1885.   Soon afterwards I was getting help so I would like to thank MMM45 & IMBER for the help they gave me initially. Since then I've had regular help from  King Ranger (Colin) & sometimes his lovely wife & daughter  who have trudged around Old Kilpatrick Cemetery trying to help me. What a lovely lot of folk get on websites like this one.
King Ranger has amazingly got me a copy of a 1927 newspaper clipping about Alexander's funeral in Old Kilpatrick with the great bonus that there's a photograph on it of Alex. So I now know he did have a Military style funeral & was a war hero with the Union Jack draping his Coffin & ex-servicemen attending. (I have attached the clipping if you'd like to read it) . Just recently I was beginning to think that I'd never find out if he'd had this nice funeral in his home town so thanks again to Colin & family .
Regards,
NORMAN
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: IMBER on Thursday 27 June 13 10:47 BST (UK)
What a great result. Well done king ranger!

Imber
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: king ranger on Thursday 27 June 13 23:05 BST (UK)
Thank you Imber.
Title: Re: Old Kilpatrick Cemetery.
Post by: HOUSE2000 on Thursday 26 March 15 10:50 GMT (UK)
My ancestors - surname Colquhoun - lived at Hole Farm, Old Kilpatrick until sometime between 1851-61. Has anyone come across any headstones for the Colquhoun family? The deaths I know about are my Grt Grt Uncle, Robert C, died 1839 aged 2 and my Grt Grt Grt Grandfather, Walter C, died in 1816 aged 65. There could be many others too. Thank you.