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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: wagtail321 on Sunday 29 January 06 17:43 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to find Elizabeth Woolsey my grandmother's family name before she married my grandfather, I would be very appreciative to anybody who could help me. wagtail321
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The easiest way would be to send for her marriage certificate, that would give you her maiden name. :) :)
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Hi Wagtail :)
We need a bit more information-
Assuming she became Mrs WOOLSEY, what was Mr WOOLSEY's first name?
Have you any idea which decade she was born or married ? Or how old are their children?
Assuming the events happened in Lincolnshire, which part of Lincs?
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I've received this info from Wagtail
"My Granddads name was Thomas, they could be married about t the 1870, as a rough idea, and they would have been married in Spalding. I remember Mum saying that Gran's surname was Cardinal, but that seems to me to be too much of a coincidence 'Cardinal Woolsey', there was a very large family of perhaps 12 to 13."
So far, I have only found one Thomas WOOLSEY, with wife Elizabeth in the 1881 census, living in Messingham. They had 3 children, but just the same 3 in 1891, so they seem unlikely.
There was a John Thomas WOOLSEY married in Spalding in 1870 but his wife was not Elizabeth - it was Jemima.. I will chase them up to see if they were prolific breeders. Hmmm, they had 3 in 1881 and only one more in 1891.
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Perhaps this lot are the ones - although they were born around the time you were said they married-
Living in Spalding - 1901
Thomas WOOLSEY 30 Asphalt (Road Lab)
Elizabeth 31
Betsy A 12
Thomas 10
George H 9
Harry 8
Elizabeth M 6
Minnie 3
Edith R 2
Florrie 10m
Betsy born at Pinchbeck ... all others born Spalding.
Thomas WOOLSEY married Elizabeth CARDELL Q3 1889, 7a 602
8 kids at age 31 - plenty of time for a few more ... ;)
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Elizabeth CARDELL (age 1) appears on the 1871 census
Edward CARDELL 48 AgLab, East Indies
Ann 37 Gedney Hill
Ann 23 Spalding
Rebecca 3 Spalding
Elizabeth 1 Spalding
Looks like a 2nd marriage for Edward.
Thomas WOOLSEY's origins are less certain as there was one born in 1871 and another in 1872 in Spalding.
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Thank you Geoff, you found the right family alright, there were a few more kids born after Florrie, my mum was born 1908 her name Kathleen was probably not correct because when I registered her death in 2002, the registrar thought that my mum's name was Catherine rather than Kathleen, however, you have found out a great deal in a short time, to which I am greatfully obliged to you, if you do findout that my mum's name was other than Kathleen, would you let me know?
Many thanks Geoff, Wagtail
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the registrar thought that my mum's name was Catherine rather than Kathleen,
In fact her birth was registered under neither of those names!
Births Dec 1909
WOOLSEY Katherine Spalding 7a 357
Also, note the year! :o It's possible that she was registered a year late, but unlikely.
If you wish to confirm the facts, you can order a certificate online from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
or get one from the Register Office at Lincoln-
Certificate Applications,
Lincolnshire Registration Service,
PO Box 760,
Lincoln, LN2 5WG.
Tel: 0845 3301400. Fax: 01522 568254.
Cost is £7 online; I think Lincs charge £7.50.
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Do you have any photographs of Elizebeth woolsey or Thomas they are my great grandparents
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Hi Herling & Wagtail, This thread is quite old, so not sure if you are picking up notificatations.
Thomas Woolsey is my paternal Great Grandfather, and my Grandfather was Stanley who married Caroline Maud Bright.
I'd obviously be very interested in contact with you as I've quite a bit of info on the family (no surprises there then) <BG>
For quite a while I was also under the impression that Thomas's wife's maiden name was Cardinal, and later found it to be Cardell.
I first became aware of the Cardinal myth when told at my father's funeral by his elder and only remaining brother.
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Still picking up messages and look forward to more information my grandmother was Edith who married John William Bright.
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Hi Herling,
Caroline Maud Bright (my G.Grandmother) was I believe the sister of John William Bright, Dad told me she died of leukaemia when he was around 6 years of age.
Before Dad died, he gave me a list of his mother's siblings.
I don't have the list or my other research notes to hand right now, but I think one of them was called 'Ally', does it sound familiar.
Did Edith live in the cottage smack on the railway crossing in Spalding?
I remember visiting a Gt Aunt there with a cousin when we used to watch the old Steam trains rattling through the station - before the 'Beeching' axe fell. (Now I'm really feeling old) ;D
I remember a small very sweet and quite elegant lady living on her own, not sure if I've got the right person though.
Certainly seemed a bit 'posh' to us urchins way back then.
Ring any bells???
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I have a Thomas Woolsey born c1850 who married Elizabeth Cardwell. Their Children:
Stanley
Florrie
Edith
Minnie
Elizabeth
Thomas
George
Betsey
Minnie is my Gt Grandmother.
Could we be related distantly of course!
:)
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Do you have any photographs of Elizebeth woolsey or Thomas they are my great grandparents
Thomas Woolsey owned Woosley Asphalt of Spalding
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Thomas is teh middle gentleman, Betsey is there too. Their son George on the right.
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Did Edith live in the cottage smack on the railway crossing in Spalding?
I remember visiting a Gt Aunt there with a cousin when we used to watch the old Steam trains rattling through the station - before the 'Beeching' axe fell. (Now I'm really feeling old) ;D
I remember a small very sweet and quite elegant lady living on her own, not sure if I've got the right person though.
Certainly seemed a bit 'posh' to us urchins way back then.
Ring any bells???
My dad remembers going to the wake after his mothers funeral (Doris, daughter of Minnie Woolsey) and it being at a house where the garden backed on to a railway bridge. Could this be the same? any idea on the address?
:)
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"My dad remembers going to the wake after his mothers funeral (Doris, daughter of Minnie Woolsey) and it being at a house where the garden backed on to a railway bridge. Could this be the same? any idea on the address?"
It sounds very likely, the cottage was at the side of the railway crossing just outside Spalding, situated at the base of the old footbridge,
I've just checked on Google maps and worked back from Hereward Road where my Grandfather (Stanley Woolsey) lived, it appears that the old footbridge and crossing gates along with the cottage have all gone, with just automatic barriers there now, the gates were manually operated back then and would have needed a gatekeeper,
I've copied the map location and address from the map image, if you copy/paste the grid location into google search it'll take you to the exact spot, you'll need to click on the image in the bottom left of the screen to take you to to satellite image,
Curiously, the overhead image shows what could have been the old cottage to the left of the crossing, but if you pan out to street level, it's all gone:
77 Winsover Road
Spalding
PE11 1EQ, UK
52.786504, -0.158999
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77 Winsover Rd is now new house(s).
In 1939 register, that address was a grocer's, William ALLEN.
Present StreetView http://www.instantstreetview.com/@52.786501,-0.158902,137.15h,-3.88p,1z
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77 Winsover Road is what Google identified when I clicked on that location, the location of the cottage and footbridge was actually on the other side of the road, ignore the '77' house number.
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This photo is of Thomas Woolsey and Elizabeth Cardell at the marriage of Ally Bright to 'Edith' Woolsey as related to me by Lionel Mertz, yet she is called 'Grace' in other sources, so if anyone knows which is the correct name or if both are the same person it would be appreciated,
The photo was taken at the family farm at Gosberton Clough.
I've since discovered that Caroline Maud died of TB rather than leukaemia, and possibly Olive and Ivy, one of them the same week, but not sure whom until I dig into my notes.
From Top Left:
Betsey, Liz, Thomas, Stanley (My Grandfather), Thirza
From front Left:
Elizebeth (Cardell) Woolsey, Doll, Enid Rebecca, John William 'Ally' Bright, Caroline 'Maud' Bright, (My Grandmother), Edith.
If anyone can confirm the names are correct for those in the photo's, that too would be much appreciated, I spoke to Les over the phone before he died last year and the names are as he remembered them, but in different positions on the photo to when it was passed on to me, he'd seen the photo, but we didn't have them to hand when we spoke.
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The entries in the GRO marriage index are-
Marriages Mar 1922
BRIGHT John W (Woolsey) Spalding 7a 605
WOOLSEY Edith R (Bright) Spalding 7a 605
Marriages Sep 1925
BRIGHT Caroline M (Woolsey) Spalding 7a 1015
WOOLSEY Stanley (Bright) Spalding 7a 1015
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Many thanks, those references are very helpful and may get me digging into the family history again,
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English Lever, I got that photo sent to me a few years ago, a digital copy. I was given the following identities from comments on my photo:
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From left to right back row: Betsey Woolsey, Liz (possibly Elizabeth Woolsey ) Thomas Woolsey, Stanley Woolsey and his wife Caroline Maud Bright.
Front row: Elizabeth Woolsey Doll (possibly Dorothy Woolsey,) Edith Rebecca Woolsey, Ally? Grace Lillian Bright, and Thirza.
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Thanks, yes that's the information I got, but having spoken to Les Woolsey before he died, he confirmed that the lady sat next to the bride was in fact his Mother, Caroline 'Maud' Woolsey (Nee Bright), she was the matron of Honour.
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Thank you :) I don't have Les on my tree, I have Reginald as the son of Caroline. I presume Les is his brother?
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Yes, Lesley was the oldest of all their children who died last year, Reginald is my Father, he died in 2000.
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Oh I see. I've only managed to get your father's name. Are you on Ancestry?
I have tried to put the names onto the photo so I can remember better, Can you correct me please, I think it is probably wrong!
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I used to be on Ancestry but I've not done any research for a few years since my parents died, no one else seems to be bothered about it,
Most of the names you've put on the photo's are correct, except the person named Caroline Maud is 'Doll' (I've not confirmed her real name yet), Caroline Maud Bright is the unnamed person to the right of John (Ally) Bright, and from memory the person to the right of Stanley is Thirza Bright, I believe she died of TB the same week as Maud, but I haven't as yet bought their death certificates, must get my backside in gear and get them to confirm things.
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Better?
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Yes, that's how I remember them thanks.
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Hi loved reading all the information on thomas woolsey and family my husband is related to them too. Raymond woolsey my husband and tony woolsey my father in law. george woolsey was Tony's grandfather. thomas his grt grandfather find this all interesting.
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I realize this is an old thread, but I'm researching Stanley Woolsey of Spalding. Born about 1903 and was married twice, the second time (1941) to a Kathleen Friel from Ireland. He may have had children with Kathleen Friel and I am trying to trace descendants.
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My great grandmother was Betsey Anne Woolsey / Clarke. She was Daughter of Elizabeth Cardell /Woolsey. I do have a lot of information from the ancestry about the family. Can anyone give me any information about Betsey Anne? As I cannot find any information about her?
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I realize this is an old thread, but I'm researching Stanley Woolsey of Spalding. Born about 1903 and was married twice, the second time (1941) to a Kathleen Friel from Ireland. He may have had children with Kathleen Friel and I am trying to trace descendants.
Replying even later to an old thread, Stanley Woolsey was my grandfather, Kathleen was my grandmother. Please send me a message if you still want to trace descendants.
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Hi everyone my name is Thomas Woolsey and I am related to the Thomas Woolsey married to Elizabeth woolsey loved reading about the history about this and just wondering if anyone had a photograph of Thomas and Elizabeth's wedding
Many thanks Thomas