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Could somebody please check for Edward Crunden / Mary Verrell in 1888 at Eastbourne(poss. St Mary) and would this say much about Mary. My problem stems from there being two Mary's about 3 years apart in Eastbourne , one from Samuel and Mary , the other from John and Ann
Thanks Richard
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Hello Richard,
I have just checked the GRO Marriage Index for 1888 and afraid I can't find either an Edward Crunden or Mary Verrell, (including Verrall and Verrill) listed anywhere.
I did find a Mary Verrall for Dec 1889 Brighton 2b 416 but no corresponding Edward.
Having just ploughed through thirty years worth looking for something for myself, I haven't had a chance to go a few years either way for Mary and Edward.
Regards,
Phil
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ok Phil, who wants to shoot me first, sometimes after a couple of hours I'll swear I go number blind , the date should read 1788, my apologies , I feel dreadful, knowing what it's like chewing through the GRO, mind numbing sometimes.
Richard
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Hello Richard - These from the SMI
Edward Crunding married Mary Verrall - botp (B) at Eastbourne on 15th July 1788.
Edward Crunden bach - married Mary Ann Sutton sp - botp (B) on 19th October 1829 at Brighton.
Hope this helps
Suey
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Thanks Suey, it's the 15 July 1888 one I'm after , the Crunding is a concern, I had earmarked Crunden for that, but Mary Verrall fits the bill.
My problem still remains that there are the two Mary Verralls in the frame both from Eastbourne Verrall families with about 4 years difference in ages. I was hoping this marriage might give me a clue. Just out of curiosity what does the "botp (B) mean? Thanks for your help
Richard.
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Hi Richard - I would'nt worry too much about the spelling of Crunden and Crunding, we have had several discussions regarding this subject on Rootschat. I'd say he's the chap you are looking for.
botp = both of this parish
(B) = married after Banns
Did'nt have time to cross check this morning, here is the other Mary
Mary Verrall otp (of this parish) married William Henty, Jevington (B) on 13th April 1788 at Eastbourne.
and another but later
Mary Verrall otp married John Vernon, Banstead Sy (B) on 12th October 1790 at Eastbourne.
There are another three Mary Virrell/Verall marriages in E/bourne but later - 1809, 1810, and 1818.
Let me know if you want details ...
Suey
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Hi Suey
thanks again for that , the Crunden / Verrall is the one (15 july 1888) not the Verrall 13 Apr 1888 wedding. My problem is which Mary Verrall is which. One is daughter of Samuel/ Mary and the other daughter of John and Ann, but which is which? I had hoped the Index might give a clue and lead me further back down this maternal line
Richard
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Hello Richard,
Apology accepted ;D
Phil
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Hi Richard,
Just been doing a little digging with the SMI & IGI & I know the following is pretty flimsy but...
It's possible the two Mary Verrall's are cousins. Mary cr. 1770 d/o samuel & Mary & Mary Verrall d/o John & Ann cr. 1767. I tried to find evidence that Samuel & John were brothers but failed. I found that Samuel is very likely the s/o Cephas & Mary Verrall nee Mockford married 1734 Ringmer, he was from Rottingdean & Mary from Ringmer but didn't find evidence of John as a son but we all know the IGI is not complete!
The children of Edward Crunden & Mary Verrall include a son, Samuel....possibly named after Mary's father?
Of the marriage of the other Mary Verrall to William Henty, I can find no children.
Noticed that the entries for the Verrall's & Crunden children are all LDS member submitted, so beware.
In conclusion, I would explore both Mary Verrall's & keep everything open until such time as some information comes along that proves or disproves a theory :)
Good luck,
Jane
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Jane,
Another thankyou to you and others who are so helpful taking the time to help others, I only have Marlow Bucks info and though I check occaisionally I havent been able to return in kind yet :)
Yes I too had trawled the IGI but was wary of taking it as gospel :D
On two generations up the line they throw in a NZ and Russia link, the Russian link is indeed a possible from oral statements from the oldest living member of the family , now 102, but the NZ one is giving me a real run around.
I'm on good ground until the 1888 marriage with other sources, however as you say I will have to keep an open mind till further clues turn up
regards
Richard
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Hi Richard,
I had another thought on this problem. It might be worth looking for the deaths/burials for the two Mary's, either GRO index if the died post 1837, an entry in the Eastbourne PR's or a MI. Maybe one of these will give an age or DOB. Even better if they are buried with their husbands!
Jane
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Wills? There are various pre 1858 wills for Crunden and Verralls in Sussex on the www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline site
You can download them immediately for a modest sum - very exciting if you find the right one!
Andrea
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Hi Richard,
I know your post is very old, but I wondered if you managed to resolve it as I'm just facing the same dilemma? i've actually found THREE Mary Verrall baptisms in St Mary Eastbourne that could be 'our' Mary:
Verrall — Mary of John and Anne baptiz'd Sept 13th 1767
Verrall — Mary of Samuel & Mary privately baptiz'd Aug 17 admitted into y Chh Aug 19 1770
Verrall —Mary of Thomas & Elizabeth baptiz'd Oct 3 1773
I don't have a clue which is the right one! I've tried tracing as many Mary Verrall marriages as I can backwards but got nowhere.
I don't know if you know but Mary died in the Workhouse on 2 Nov 1848 of 'Decay of Nature' and was buried at St Mary's on 5 Nov.
Sunic
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Hi Sunic,
It is indeed a very old post. Sadly 11 years on I'm still no wiser as to Mary Verall. I have so often found that pre 1800 records are a matter of digging and hoping it all falls into place. My main research had been the Costers who began with William b. 1781 in Marlow. who moved to Eastbourne. Fortunately I live not far from Marlow, and was able to spend a lot of time going through church records but even so I only got back to about 1690.
I did however have a lot of fun with the Russia / New Zealand link mentioned in this thread and again it was a sheer luck thing. Found a dead australian e mail, googled the Australian phone book, rang a number and found a pile of Coster descendants in NZ, descended from a Coster sister who emigrated there. She had two sisters who were governesses in Russia to the Russian Royal family. The New Zealand descendants had letters from them but presumed they had both died in the revolution. I had to ruin a great family story proving they both escaped and lived to a ripe old age in Eastbourne.
Sorry I cannot be more helpful
Richard.
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Hi Richard
No problem - I'll keep looking. The other names you quote are not names I've come across yet.
Several trees on Ancestry show Mary's parents as Samuel and Mary, but none of them have any sources. :(
Sunic