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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: DebbieG on Tuesday 31 January 06 12:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am looking for my welsh ancestors
My 3 xGreat Grandfathers family - he was David Roberts married to a Sarah ? (marriage about 1835) and they farmed/owned a farm called Cerrig Cynrig at Llanfihangel Y Nhowyn
They had Margaret (who I think married a John Owen), Catherine (my Gt Gt Grandmother) who went into service and married a Catchpole from Suffolk, Jane, Grace, Thomas & Griffith. I have found members of this family in most of the census years except 1841 which I don't have access to, unfortunatly David the father died before 1851 so as yet I have no clues to his date of birth.
Does anyone have access to the 1841 census for this area and can they find the family with DAvid still alive to give me some more clues to go further back?
Any ideas where is the best place to start looking for the marriage of Sarah & David in about 1835 (she was born about 1805 in Gwalchmai) I should love to find her maiden name.
Are there any very local people around? - does the farm Cerrig Cynrig still exsist?
and finally as I am asking all these questions prior to a planned visit to Anglesey Records Office - is it going to be difficult to research this myself as I don't speak any Welsh?
Thanks in advance for any and all help
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
From the 1841 Census, I did find Cerrig Cynrig in Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn.
David Roberts, age 65
Sarah, age 35
Owen, age 15
Margaret, age 5
Catherine, age 3
Jane, age 10 months
William Griffith, Ag lab, looks like age 14 (hard to read)
Jane Hughes, Servant, age 15
If you scroll down this board, you will see my post about John Owen of Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn. I was very excited when I saw that your Margaret married a John Owen. Cerrig Cynrig is only 14 farms away from Henblas where my family lived. Unfortunately, the John that I referred to married Elizabeth. His son John II married Ann and John II's son John III married Jane. John II would be the closest in age to your Margaret.
John Owen is such a common name. Sometimes I think it would be easier to find John Smith. But, who knows, perhaps your John Owen is the son of my John's brothers or sister. Or, perhaps there is no connection at all.
Anyway, keep in touch and if we can share information perhaps we can find a connection.
Regards,
Richard Owens :)
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Hi Richard
Thank you so much for theinformation from the 1841 census - that was just what I wanted - interesting that Davdi was so much older than his wife, a big clue when trying to track down his baptism. I did see your post about another Owen/Roberts liason - but couldn't see where it fitted in either - I will bare it in mind when I am looking for my lot. Have you had chance to look at the reigsters for Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn at all - I am very much hopeing to go to Anglesey to the records office in the next few weeks (if I can find a cheep hotel deal).
Finally you sound as though you know where Cerrig Cynrig is in Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn (or did you just count through the census entries) - I have not managed to find it on any maps yet - any joy?
All the best for now - if I find anything further I will get back to you
Debbie
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Debbie,
You're right, I just counted the census entries ;D
I haven't looked at the Parish Registers. I'm in Orlando and do my research on the net, through the mail and with the help of fellow genealogists in Wales. So, I can't be of much help to you.
If you find anything of interest during your trip to Anglesey, please let me know.
Rich Owens
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the farm Cerrig Cynrig is still afarm its a small holding and is located on the A5 main road just outside Caergeiliog 5 miles from Holyhead
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You don't have to speak Welsh to read the records in Llangefni Records office, if you go upstairs when you get there they will give you a members reading card and each ledger will be brought out to you as you need to study them.
I also have Roberts in my family from a farm in Amlwch, but they are on a back burner at the moment as I have hit a brick wall with them.
So as long as you have Names and Dates you should have success, take a notebook and pencil which is all you are allowed to use, they have lockers for your bags etc.They are very helpful, so don't hesitate to ask.
Check their opening hours as they do vary, especially on a Tuesday and there is free parking. Good Luck with your search.
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Hi I am looking for my welsh ancestors
My 3 xGreat Grandfathers family - he was David Roberts married to a Sarah ? (marriage about 1835) and they farmed/owned a farm called Cerrig Cynrig at Llanfihangel Y Nhowyn
They had Margaret (who I think married a John Owen), Catherine (my Gt Gt Grandmother) who went into service and married a Catchpole from Suffolk, Jane, Grace, Thomas & Griffith. I have found members of this family in most of the census years except 1841 which I don't have access to, unfortunatly David the father died before 1851 so as yet I have no clues to his date of birth.
Does anyone have access to the 1841 census for this area and can they find the family with DAvid still alive to give me some more clues to go further back?
Any ideas where is the best place to start looking for the marriage of Sarah & David in about 1835 (she was born about 1805 in Gwalchmai) I should love to find her maiden name.
Are there any very local people around? - does the farm Cerrig Cynrig still exsist?
and finally as I am asking all these questions prior to a planned visit to Anglesey Records Office - is it going to be difficult to research this myself as I don't speak any Welsh?
Thanks in advance for any and all help
Debbie
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Helo, My Great Grandmother, was called Margaret who married a John Owen
She died when she was 40, and John Owen died when he was 80 , both are buried in Llangwyllog, Anglesey Cemetry. Margaret Owen died 13th sept, 1913 and john owen died december 1948. My Grandmother was only 8 when she lost her mother, and she had a cousin who lived in cerring cynrig, whi wrote the novel madam wen, just wondering if there is any connection .
Only joined today, so a bit new to this
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Welshgammon
welcome to Rootschat :)
This post on Madam Wen will be of interest:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6e3s7c7vtiq35nnuq6reos0s15&topic=415948.0
modified - Sorry DebbieG, didn't mean to hijack your post, and your search for Roberts ancestors
Morgan
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do you think we are related
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I noticed you started this thread a long time ago but please see photo i took of Cerrig Cynrig 2 years ago. Cerrig has also been known as cerrig-cyn-rhyg and in 1840 it was owned by Sir John Hay Williams and rented to the Roberts family. From the 1840 tithe map and schedule they owned 11 fields consisting of 80 acres, the neighboring farms were also owed by the same people who restored Bodelwyddan castle. I do have more information - I am a neighbour.
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Cerrig Cynrig Farm still exists but the Farm house and farm buildings were split and sold separately a few years ago. We have owned the farm land since around 2000. I can show you "madam wen's cave" if you like. The post code is LL65 3EJ.
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hi
I realise that this is an old thread but my sister now resides in the carrig cynrig farmhouse, and I am trying to find more out about the history of this building!
there are several references on here about it! can anyone help me further?
many thanks