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Title: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: lucretia666 on Thursday 16 February 06 15:37 GMT (UK)
hi all,

i have found a new name in my tree.

josiah glew - should be glue
he was born in rogate sussex 20th feb 1828

his mother was hannah hersay and his father was joseph glue.

i have found josiah's birth but can find no other record of him, not even a death record. i believe his mother died abt 1840. Jospeh was sent to australia as a convict, but 22/2/1840 he was married to another woman... harriet staggs!
does anyone have any ideas as to what might have happened to josiah!  ???
i have tried ancestry and family search and i dont think that he went with joseph to nsw!

help please!!!!

regards
luc666
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 20 February 06 16:16 GMT (UK)
Hi there luc666

Apologies for not answering your query sooner, but have been exhibiting at a Model Railway Exhibition in Brighton for the past 4 days.

I have looked through the 1841 census for Rogate and have found the following:

HO107/ 110/ 05/ Sched 8/ Page 8/ Gally Grove, Rogate

GLUE Geoff, 22, Labourer
........  Mary, 2, Wife
........  George, 1

next door is

GLUE George Sen, 53, Labourer
........  Ann, 42, wife
........  Harriott, 19
........  Charles, 15

but, living in Galley Grove are four children as follows:

HO107/ 110/ 5/ Sched 13/ Page 18 - Galley Grove, Rogate .

SMITH Thos, 65, Labourer
GLUE John, 13
.......  James, 11
.......  Mary Ann, 9
.......  Edward, 6
.......  Thomason, 4 (female)
SMITH Elizabeth, 57

Everyone of the above was born in County of Sussex.

Whilst I realize that the names you have mentioned are not present; why would 5 young children be with smith family - could it be that their mother has died and their father has been transported?

What are your thoughts

Chris in 1066

 
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 20 February 06 16:25 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Found that marriage you mentioned

Marriage:
Location: Rogate, West Sussex,  Date: 27 Mar 1821:
Groom: Joseph GLUE, bachelor
Bride: Hannah HERSAY, spinster with consent of Parents.
Both of this parish, married by Banns.

As they married in 1821, could he have been transported after his marriage to Hannah ?

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: lucretia666 on Monday 20 February 06 17:04 GMT (UK)
hi chris,

thanks for the info, in 1821 do you know what age you needed to be to get married? if it says that she had consent of parents would she have been pregnant then with another child??

another query to throw at you,
 i found out that a hannah hersay died in 1840. but then i found out that a hannah glew remarried... it wouldnt be on igi as hersay if she had married jospeh.. is that correct?? ( if she had died she would have been down as glew?!?!?) 

god this is confusing!
was there a sniff of any parents names on there chris??
sorry to ask so much of you!

thanks for the hard work put in already!

luc666
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 20 February 06 17:25 GMT (UK)
Hi there

Back in 1821 and even up to the 1930,s before the act was repealed; it was legal for a boy of 14 and a girl of 12 to marry.

Usually though, consent of parent or parents means they were under 21, more often than not they were 17 or 18.

No parents names were mentioned in any of the data I have published for you

another query to throw at you,
i found out that a hannah hersay died in 1840. but then i found out that a hannah glew remarried... it wouldnt be on igi as hersay if she had married jospeh.. is that correct?? ( if she had died she would have been down as glew?!?!?) 


Sorry, am having one of my thicker moments - dont really understand this question.

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: juliefran on Wednesday 28 June 06 23:15 BST (UK)
I have Joseph Glue in my family tree, I have information from Australia.
Joseph came to Australia with his nephew George, came on the ship Hoogly in 1834.I am interested in any information from England if anyone can help.
Thanks
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Valda on Saturday 01 July 06 13:54 BST (UK)
1841 census HO107 1102/3 folio 36 page 5
Midhurst Union Workhouse Easebourne  Sussex   
Josiah Glew 14  Sussex
Folio 37 page 6
Caroline Glew 11  Sussex

Deaths Mar 1848
Glew  Caroline     Midhurst  7 376

Regards

Valda
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: juliefran on Sunday 02 July 06 06:07 BST (UK)
Hi Valda,
Thank you for this, it has been a great help, and much appreciated.

Juliefran
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: fertee on Tuesday 18 July 06 16:05 BST (UK)
Hello All,

I am an Australia connection to Joseph Glew (Glue) and Harriet Staggs. I have just join this site and would love to share the English history of th Glew (Glue) Family

I was told that the children from the first marriage in England after Joseph was sent to Australia with his nephew George as convicts were sent to a workhouse. I would love to know more!!

;o) Kim
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: juliefran on Tuesday 18 July 06 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi
I too am the Australian connection to the Glue family.
My great grandmother is Rachel Glue, she married Daniel Mumberson.
I have a little information from England.Where abouts do you fit into the line.
Regards,
Julie
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: lucretia666 on Wednesday 19 July 06 10:16 BST (UK)
hi guys,

i think you both have the info that i have sent to you! the last part of email is virgin.net?!?!?!?! lol

have more info for the both of you!
will email you both soon as i also have been contacted by 2 other ozzie rellies!!!

can also put you both in touch with someone from england who says he has been studying the line for 20 years, together we might all be able to crack this line  lol,

take care both of you, and will be in touch very soon!
luc666
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: juliefran on Wednesday 19 July 06 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi
Yes that is correct and that will be great as well, can't wait to hear from you.

You take care as well,
Julie
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: fertee on Wednesday 19 July 06 22:45 BST (UK)
I am new to this site, unless we met through Genes Reunited, I have not had the pleasure.

I am from Joseph Glew (Glue) and Harriet Staggs marriage. Joseph was my 4th GGrandfather. Then son Thomas Glew, his daughter Laura Glew, her daughter Ida Glew, her daughter Lillian Skidmore, her daughter Elsie McIntosh to me Kim Townsend.

It is a very large Australian connection as well as the family still in England. My email is * for those interested in direct communication.

;o) Kim

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Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: McGregorGirl on Sunday 28 August 11 09:51 BST (UK)
Wow, i'm also related to the Australian Glue's. My 3x great grandmother was Margaret Glue, daughter of Joseph Glue and Harriet Staggs. I've been searching for Joseph's life before he left England as I could only find information on the Australian end. Thanks for the hints and if I can help with anything on this end i'd be happy to!
-Vanessa

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Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: lucretia666 on Monday 05 September 11 16:13 BST (UK)
hi ya -

well, i can definatly help you on that one!!  :D
i have army records, his sickness records on the ship (really interesting!!!), cert of freedom etc, and lots of stuff from this side!
if you can PM me your email address i will quite happily let you know what i have and even hook you up with lots of decendants both here and in oz, if interested! but should warn you - there are LOTS!!!!!  ;D

giz a shout
take care
luc666  :-*
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: heaven on Thursday 16 February 12 12:26 GMT (UK)
Hello
My great great grandfather was George Glue, nephew of Joseph, both transported together in 1834 to Australia, if anyone can help me with the trial records for them it would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: lucretia666 on Thursday 16 February 12 12:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Heaven,

have pm'd you

 :D
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Dglew on Tuesday 14 April 15 20:09 BST (UK)
Just look at my family tree on Ancestry, poor Josiah grew up in the workhouse (Easebourne workhouse where so many many of my family started their lives and latter died) and appears to have followed in his father's footsteps as his name appears again and again in the courts, my final record of him was in Dorchester prison, Dorset, where he was held under the assumed name of Joe Brown serving time for quite a serious assault......after that "nothing" he simply disappears but l presume he changed his name more than once and as a consequence he is untraceable, there are references to a Josiah Glew in the north west of England but they are not "our" Josiah, hope this helps.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Friday 08 January 16 13:53 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I am a newbie here, only registered today after finding this thread and I'm so glad I did.
I haven't been tracing my family history for long and therefore have little information and would appreciate any help I can be given.
I have traced my great-grandmother to be Rachel Ann Mumberson nee Glue b. 8 Jul 1865 at Cobbitty, New South Wales, Australia.
According to the NSW Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages, her father is unknown and mother is Margaret S Glue. Margaret married William Tully on 13 Dec 1865. Rachel Ann married Daniel Mumberson on 11 Jul 1882 at Burrawang, New South Wales, Australia.
My mother was fostered/adopted when she was aged 2 with 2 of her sisters aged 4 & 8. She had very little family knowledge and thus neither do I. Her birth certificate shows her mother's name as Maria Estreich nee Mumberson & Maria's birth certificate shows her mother and father as Daniel & Rachel.
Any help on ancestors and/or dependants would be great.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: heaven on Saturday 09 January 16 05:08 GMT (UK)
I may be able to help you, so I have sent you a personal message
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: sillgen on Saturday 09 January 16 08:58 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately the personal message system does not work until new posters have more than one post.  If R.Chick replies to this  it should then be active.   Just click on Reply at the bottom of the post.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Saturday 09 January 16 10:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your response Judy. Email checked & replied.
Cheers Rhonda
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Saturday 09 January 16 10:16 GMT (UK)
And thank you sillgen for the protocol re personal messages, very much appreciated .... Rhonda
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Dglew on Saturday 09 January 16 11:00 GMT (UK)
If this gets to "R Chick" please contact me again, l've no idea what l'm doing on Rootschat BUT l have over forty years of research on the Glue/Glew family mainly in England but also in Australia post-1837 and would love to share it, perhaps via e-mail, which l do understand.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Saturday 09 January 16 11:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Dglew ... received your message - I'm a newbie here also so I'll look around the site and see if I can email you or get my email addie to you
 :D

R. Chick (Rhonda)
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 09 January 16 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat...email addresses can be exchanged in personal messages but not on the open forums to protect privacy.
Carol
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Saturday 09 January 16 11:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Treetotal .. I think I've been able to share my contact details in "personal messages". I'll know if I was successful if I get a reply :D
I understand about not posting email addresses on an open forum site, as you say, to protect my privacy. Although I do Thank You for looking out for me.

R.Chick
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: salt on Sunday 10 January 16 18:48 GMT (UK)
Just browsing and picked this up, so it may not be of any use to you.  There are several Glue family members in Compton, W Sussex.
Salt
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Tuesday 12 January 16 14:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Salt ... Yes, my "Glue" ancestor comes from W. Sussex but I don't know the name of the town.
I have found out my great, great grandmother was the daughter of Joseph Glue, a convict who was transported to Australia in 1834. He was married before his conviction but remarried just after his arrival in Australia.
the following information is from http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/glue/joseph/7796

Convicted at: Sussex. Chichester Quarter Session
Sentence term: 7 years
Ship: Hooghley 
Departure date: 25th July, 1834 
Arrival date: 18th November, 1834 
Place of arrival: Port Jackson, Sydney, New South Wales

His date of birth is cited as "abt 1799"
 
I look forward to any info you may have :D Personal Message me if that is more convenient for you.

cheers Rhonda
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: sillgen on Tuesday 12 January 16 17:08 GMT (UK)
If he married in Sussex there are only two possibilities on the Sussex pre 1837 Marriage Index.   One in Treyford cum Didling in 1823 to Sarah Carter and the other in Rogate in 1821 to Hannah Hersay, as given earlier.  Marriage was with consent of parents and the witnesses were Geo and Ann Glue which may help find his parents.  (There is a possible marriage in Rogate for George and Ann in 1819.)
There is a burial in Treyford for a Joseph age 84 in 1881 so it probably counts him out.
Hannah Glew age 44 died in Rogate in 1835
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: LizzieL on Tuesday 12 January 16 17:54 GMT (UK)
there are several other people looking for Rogate Glew / Glues

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=738338.0

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734376.msg5798723#msg5798723

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728743.msg5733173#msg5733173

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715943.msg5595896#msg5595896


Maybe some useful information in those threads

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=547137.msg4006836#msg4006836

Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: salt on Tuesday 12 January 16 21:54 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I have no links to the Glue family.  I just came across the name when searching the Sussex parish registers on Freereg at freereg.org.uk
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 January 16 07:26 GMT (UK)
I've just realised this is a very old thread and OP hasn't been active for some time.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: sillgen on Wednesday 13 January 16 08:27 GMT (UK)
I've just realised this is a very old thread and OP hasn't been active for some time.

Yes, but there have been further interested posters in the mean time so it has reactivated itself.
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Wednesday 13 January 16 11:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your help and links :D I guess I have a lot of reading to do (with pen & paper on hand). 

Cheers Rhonda
(I will be back)
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: sticky on Friday 05 February 16 19:22 GMT (UK)
Hello from a Glue living close to Rogate in West Sussex. I haven't done any more research into our family for about 4 years but as direct descendants of Thomas & Thomasine Glue I may be able to help you
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Saturday 06 February 16 11:19 GMT (UK)
Nice to meet you, Sticky and I'm looking forward to all the information I can get.
 
I've been in contact with DGlew and Heaven who also have been very generous with their help.

Regards Rhonda

Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Tassierae on Saturday 23 September 17 09:03 BST (UK)
Hi my name is Raelene and Margaret Glue was my great, great grandmother. It was always said that Rachel was fathered by William Tully before they married as his mothers name was Rachel. I believe that there were 2 daughters born before her marriage to William. She sure was an amazing woman having 17 children. William and Margaret's son Joseph George Tully was my great grandfather. It's funny as a descendent of Daniel Mumberson married my mothers brother so she is both my cousin and my Aunty. Haha
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: R.Chick on Tuesday 10 October 17 01:42 BST (UK)
Hi Raelene. Such a lovely surprise to hear from you.  My sister has more information than me and when told her about hearing from you, she almost fell over with excitement haha. If agreeable to you, I can try to work out how to PM you both our email addresses (haven't done it for a while).

I look forward to hearing about any further family history you have/know :D (especially how your Aunt is also your cousin - now that has my mind spinning lol - and the fact we now live 10 minutes from where your great grandfather, Joseph George, was buried).

Rhonda

 
Title: Re: josiah glue - help please!!!
Post by: Tassierae on Tuesday 10 October 17 10:56 BST (UK)
Yes it would be lovely to share some information. My Aunty who is a Mumberson lives in the tweed area. My father took used to take me to the houses in bilambil where William Tully and where Joseph lived and full of wonderful stories. I have some wonderful old pictures of the Tully's. Look forward to further communication. I assume that you live on the tweed too as that was where Joseph Tully and his father William were buried. X