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A very large collection of these names, built up over 24 years from all over the world. Can you help add to my files?
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Thanks for your posting on the John or William MOTT thread in Lancashire. I had not found the son you mentioned. Interested to hear you are doing a one name study on the name Mott. I'm a bit curious about why you chose that name.
Now that the nights are drawing in I am back on the trail. I suspect you know all the answers but I won't resort to asking you yet - the hunt is still interesting.
I assume you have found James Mott in the 1881 Census via IGI under the variant MOTT OR WORTH. That did take a bit of finding!
Dave M
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My grandmother was born Edith Mott in Stockport in 1894 her father was called John Mott and her mother was Susannah Mott (nee Rowland) , brothers James, Albert, Alfred and sister Martha all born in Stockport this is from the 1901 census.
I have not as yet gone any further back with this side of my family.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Regarding your Mott ancestors, I can give you the folowing info:-
John Mott, born 1862 June qtr 8a.86 Stockport.
John wed Susannah Rowland 1880 September qtr 8a.51 Stockport.
Their issue was as follows:-
John William born 1881 June qtr 8a.83 Stockport
James born 1882 Sept qtr 8a.85 " "
Elizabeth Ann born 1885 Sept qtr 8a.85 " " (24 June)
Albert born 1887 Dec qtr 8a.95 " "
Edith born 1893 Sep qtr 8a.80 " "
Alfred born 1898 Dec qtr 8a.62 " "
In the 1901 census John (1862) was "Aged 38 years. Cotton Spinner."
The address for the family was - 4 Bk. Brook Street, Stockport
John William (1881) wed a Martha ?? 1900 March qtr 8a.65 in Stockport
He was a Private in 'B' Company, the 1st Bn. Cheshire Regiment, No. 6014.
He died, killed in action, on Monday 19th October 1914 aged 33 years.
His name is on the Le Touret Memorial, Pas de Calais, France.
His parents address in 1914 was 18 Chadwick Street, Stockport.
He was not in the 1901 census with the rest of the family. His wife Martha was there - "Aged 19 years. Married. Daughter in Law."
James (1882) married in 1902 June qtr 8a.113 Stockport, name unknown?
In the 1901 census he was "Aged 18 years. A Cotton Card Room Hand."
Address as for the family.
Elizabeth (1885) was also a "Cotton Card Room Hand.", aged 15 years.
Albert (1887) was "Aged 13 years."
Edith (1893) was "Aged 7 years."
Alfred (1898) was "Aged 2 years."
That is all I appear to have on this family. I would appreciate it if you could send me any up to date info that you may have on the descendants of this MOTT family.
Best wishes,
Fred
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Hello Fred,
The information I have is that John Mott died in 1948 aged 85, Susannah Mott died Feb 1937 age 74, Albert Mott died April 1944 age 56, Edith Mott married James Ridgway July 24th 1920 , they had two daughters Joyce (my mother) and Doris, both who have now died, Joyce married Gerald Phillips in 1946, Doris married Basil Buxton and lived in Mold, so John and Susannah are my g grandparents. Edith Ridgway (Mott) died in Mold in March 1975 .
John W Mott married Martha Gould at St Pauls church Portwood in 1900
Sorry I have no other information on the rest of the family but as I find any if you want I will let you know.
There is a family grave for Susannah at Stockport cemetery
Thank you for the information you have given me.
Jackie
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Hi again Fred
Just found James Mott married Mary J Jamieson at St Thomas Church Stockport in 1902.
Jackie
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hello fred
i looking for info on a john motts born about 1813/14, born langley norfolk. he married a charlotte pentin and he died in 1892 norwich, heigham. trying to get info of any brothers/sisters of john + his parents name, if possible.
thanks laura
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hi there,
these are the Motts that are on my hubby's father's side.
John Mott b. 1826 Essex
Sarah Eliza Jane b. 1828 Essex
Sarah b. 29/12/1850 England
John b. 7/8/1851 England
James b. 12/10/1853 Australia
Jane Mott b. 1857, Australia (hubby's great-grandmother)
Sarah John? b. 24/11/1857 Australia
Lydia b. 5/6/1860 Australia
Alexander b. 30/5/1862 Australia
William b. 13/3/1864 Australia
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Hi again Fred
Just found James Mott married Mary J Jamieson at St Thomas Church Stockport in 1902.
Jackie
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I have a Benjamin Mott who married Sarah Luff on October 31, 1798 in Smarden, Kent. Sarah was the daughter of Samuel Luff and Sarah Parker. Do you have any information on this family?
Thanks,
Ladybug
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Hi Ladybug,
Sorry to say I do not have that particular piece of info you gave me. That's not surprising, even though I have such a large collection of names there always will be some that slip through.
What I do have is a Benjamin Mott wed Martha PYALL 07 Jan 1776 in Smarden. I suspect that they are one and the same Benjamin who wed twice.
Sorry I can't be of more help to you.
Fred
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hi there,
these are the Motts that are on my hubby's father's side.
John Mott b. 1826 Essex
Sarah Eliza Jane b. 1828 Essex
Sarah b. 29/12/1850 England
John b. 7/8/1851 England
James b. 12/10/1853 Australia
Jane Mott b. 1857, Australia (hubby's great-grandmother)
Sarah John? b. 24/11/1857 Australia
Lydia b. 5/6/1860 Australia
Alexander b. 30/5/1862 Australia
William b. 13/3/1864 Australia
Legs 11
Ref. John & Sarah Eliza Jane of Essex. My records only show her name as Eliza Jane, so thanks for that. Their two children in England I knew of, and now thanks again to you I know that they emigrated to Australia.
My current holding of any MOTT (and variants) names in Australia is not very large at present. I possibly hold around 4-500 names so far, but I am always hopeful someone will help add to that number.
One query, if I may. You show a date for the first born, Sarah, of 29.12.1850 - my records show that her birth was registered 1850 March qtr 12.210 Rochford, and I know she was baptised 27 January 1850 in Southchurch.
Thanks again for the info.
Fred
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Hello Fred,
The information I have is that John Mott died in 1948 aged 85, Susannah Mott died Feb 1937 age 74, Albert Mott died April 1944 age 56, Edith Mott married James Ridgway July 24th 1920 , they had two daughters Joyce (my mother) and Doris, both who have now died, Joyce married Gerald Phillips in 1946, Doris married Basil Buxton and lived in Mold, so John and Susannah are my g grandparents. Edith Ridgway (Mott) died in Mold in March 1975 .
John W Mott married Martha Gould at St Pauls church Portwood in 1900
Sorry I have no other information on the rest of the family but as I find any if you want I will let you know.
There is a family grave for Susannah at Stockport cemetery
Thank you for the information you have given me.
Jackie
Hi Jackie,
Well I guess we have helped each other on this, because you have added som info to my files as well.
Thanks for that.
Fred
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Thanks tradelin,
I thought afterwards that they may have been Christening dates, I got their dates off of LDS IGI. I am not 100% sure if they were births or christenings.
glad I could help you. I don't know much about Jane though as she had well and truly died before I came onto the scene.
legs11
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Hi Fred,
I have quite a lot of Motts in my family :)
My 5x greatgrandfather was;
John Mott b.circa 1751 in Essex, married Mary Walden in 1779 in W.Hanningfield Essex,buried W.Hanningfield 21 June 1826.
The children were;
John Mott Bap.W.Hanningfield 25 July 1779
Sarah Mott Bap.W.Hanningfield 27 May 1781
Isaac Mott Bap.W.Hanningfield 8 Feb 1784,Bur.3 March 1852 W.Hanningfield
Mary Mott Bap.W.Hanningfield 30 Sept 1787
Thomas Mott (My 4xGGrandfather) Bap.W.Hanningfield 28 March 1790,married 29 May 1813 in Downham Essex to Sarah Holson,buried 5 Jan 1864 W.Hanningfield.
James Mott Bap.W.Hanningfield July 1792,Bur.21 Jan 1827 W.Hanningfield
William Mott Bap.7 Dec 1794 W.Hanningfield,Bur.1 Dec 1872 W.Hanningfield
Thomas Mott and Sarah Holson had the following children;
James Mott Bap.Downham Essex 28 Aug 1813
Susan Mott Bn.circa 1816
Thomas Mott (My 3xGGrandfather) Bn.circa 1819,married ?Mary Willis (No marriage record found),buried Ramsden Essex 31 Dec 1877
Louisa Mott Bap.Stock Essex 2 April 1821
Sarah Ann Mott Bap.Ramsden Essex 13 April 1825
Emma Matilda Mott Bap.Stock Essex 7 June 1829
William Henry Mott Bap.Ramsden Essex 21 Mar 1832
Thomas Mott and Mary Willis had the following children;
Isabella Willis Mott Bap.Stock Essex 28 Jan 1845
Frederick Mott Bap.8 Oct 1846 Ramsden Essex
Ellen Mott Bap.8 Oct 1848 Ramsden Essex,Bur.31 Mar 1850 Ramsden
Reginald Mott (my 2xggrandfather) Bap.20 May 1856 Ramsden Essex,married Emma Gentry in Ramsden 27 Sept 1870,died 1935/36
Charles Mott Bap.20 May 1856 Ramsden Essex
Emily Mott Bap.20 May 1856 Ramsden Essex
Rachel Mott Bap.15 June 1856 Ramsden Essex
Mary Ann Mott Bap.23 Nov 1856 Ramsden Essex
Things get a little confusing from here on in ??? so I will leave it there for now.
I would be interested to hear if you are aware of this family and I would be happy to provide you with further details(if I have them) :)
Best wishes,Mick ;)
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Hi Fred,
Just had a thought a story told to me when I was young by my gran about a brother (i think hers, but maybe her father's) who went to live in New York and became mayor, maybe a fairy tale but do you have any records of Motts family in New York and from Stockport.
To add to your records James Mott married Mary Jane Jamieson June 7 1902 at St Thomas Church Stockport,
Martha Mott died 15th March 1905 age 22.
Are you related to the Motts?
Jackie
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Hi, Mickie m,
Many thanks for your message. Yes I was aware of the family of John Mott & Mary Walden. I have been through your list of issue, etc., and agree with most of what you have written.
I do have some additions/comments for you to consider, as follows.
1) John Mott married Mary Walden on 27 February 1779
2) Mary (Walden) Mott died 10 February 1841 aged 89 years.
3) Isaac Mott 1784, I have his burial as 04 April (not 03 March) ??
Isaac possibly wed a 'Sarah', unless it was his sister in the 1851 census ??
4) James 1792, was baptised June 1792,(not July) ??
5) William 1794 wed Susan Holson (Holsen) in 1819. Susan was "of Downham". They had issue :-
Susan bapt 29 May 1820 Ramsden
Frederick bapt 02 July 1828 ""
Sarah Ann bapt 07 June 1833 ""
Their 1841 census address was "Turnly All Lane " ??
Wife Susan (Holson/Holsen) died 14 February 1885 "Aged 89 yrs"
Sarah Ann went on to marry Robert SPARROW - she was 18, he was 23.
Their marriage Reg is 1850 December qtr 12.77 Chelmsford.
6) Thomas 1790 was a Shoemaker according to the census returns.
He died 16 March 1845, "Aged 55 yrs", and is buried in All Saints, Writtle
The first born of Thomas & Sarah (Holson/Holsen) you show as 'James' ?
My records show him named Thomas James ?
7) I also show several other children born to Thomas & Sarah which are not in your list. I don't claim that my list is 100% accurate, only 'almost' !!
a) I have a 2nd Susan born 1820
b) Frederick born 1828
c) Sarah Ann born 1833
d) Edward Mark born 1842
Other than that I agree with the list of issue. (I bet that's a relief!!)
8) Thomas 1819 and Mary Willis - Thomas was a Shoemaker.
Mary (Willis) Mott died somewhere between 1855 and 1861 - the birth of their last child and the 1861 census, where Thomas was "A Widower".
Of their issue, you show the last five children as all being baptised in various months of 1856. and I give you their respective birth years:-
a) Reginald 1849 March qtr 12.10 Billericay
b) Rachel 1850 Dec qtr 12.7 " "
c) Charles 1852 March qtr 4a.113 " "
d) Emily 1853 Dec qtr 4a.104 " "
e) Mary Ann 1856 Dec qtr 4a.104 " "
It appears that Thomas & Mary decided for some reason to have all the last five done in the same year. Maybe the church was offering "do one, get one free " ????
That's it for this lot. Essex was the first County that I investigated for MOTT's, etc. That was the main area for almost every Mott/Motte, with the largest concentration (and probably still is?).
I'd be interested in any further info you may care to impart on your ancestors, and indeed on any up to date ones as well.
Again many thanks for allowing me the information on the above. I will be "off air" for about the next three weeks (got a lot of DIY to do for my daughter !!). Chat to you when I get back.
Best wishes
Fred
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Hello Fred
You may be able to help me with members of my family i am currently trying to find out about Charles William Mott he married Annie Louisa Ridges i belive this took place some time between 1901 and 1907 between the Census and the birth of my Grandfather Arthur Charles Mott. I suspect he was born about 1880-1885. In 1907 they were living in Whitehorse Road in Croydon.
Any help you can offer will be gratefully received
Douglas Mott
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Hi Jackie,
Great little story about a Mott(s) becoming Mayor in New York, Shame I cannot verify it ! Unfortunately I don't have any info on that - I have a total of 58 Mott's (so far) that were born in Stockport, but no indication on any that even emigrated, never mind becoming Mayor.
No, I'm not directly related to the Mott's - I married one !!! Started her tree along with mine back in 1980, decided that a one-name study on Mott's might be a good idea, and 24 years later am still compiling the names & dates
both on index cards and trying to get all of it onto a database. Managed just over 15,000 so far, so still about another 10,000 to go !!
Keeps me out of the pubs, and away from the dreadful TV rubbish.
All the best,
Fred
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Hello Fred
You may be able to help me with members of my family i am currently trying to find out about Charles William Mott he married Annie Louisa Ridges i belive this took place some time between 1901 and 1907 between the Census and the birth of my Grandfather Arthur Charles Mott. I suspect he was born about 1880-1885. In 1907 they were living in Whitehorse Road in Croydon.
Any help you can offer will be gratefully received
Douglas Mott
[/Hi Douglas,
Thanks for the query. I can only tell you a little about the names you gave me.
The Charles William MOTT you asked about - he was born 1883 June qtr 2a.238 Croydon.
As you say, he married Annie Louisa RIDGES 1906 Sept qtr 2a.692 Croydon.
Their first born was Arthur Charles 1907 June qtr 2a.302 Croydon.
A request for a certificate for Charles William, using the birth reg. I've quoted, will take you (and me !) back another step, in which case I may then have more info on file to help you.
Would you care to allow me info on the remainder of the descendants ??
Best wishes,
Fred
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Hi there!
Very interested in your Mott research - my mother-in-law was a Mott (I'm pulling together my husband's family history for both parents).
They were an East Sussex line, with a sprinkling of smugglers. We've got back to Jesse Mott (b. 1863) but no further as yet.
Are you able to help? I may be able to fill in some more recent gaps for you, perhaps?
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
Jesse Mott .
He was the son of Hannah - I do not know yet if she was a married MOTT or if she was a single woman. From the issue she had I must assume she was maried.
She was born circa 1833 in East Dean, and was the mother of
William born 1860 March qtr 2b 55 Eastbourne
Jesse born 1863 June qtr 2b 56 " "
Henry George born 1865 ? (His birth not registered?)
Elizabeth Mary born 1872 June qtr 2b 41 Battle
In the 1881 census Hannah was "Aged 47 years. A Widow."
Her address was - Little Common, Bexhill. The four children were all with her.
William was "Aged 21 years. Unmarried. Labourer."
Jesse was "Aged 18 years. Unmarried. Labourer."
Henry George was "Aged 15 years. Labourer."
Elizabeth Mary was "Aged 9 years. Scholar."
Jesse married a Caroline in 1890 December qtr 2b.93 Battle - I'm sorry I do not know her surname. His address in 1915 was "Kiln Bank, Little Common, Bexhill." I know this because Jesse and Caroline had a son, Jesse, born 1892
March qtr 2b 48 Battle.
Young Jesse was killed in action in France & Flanders on Sunday 26th September 1915 when he was aged 24 years.
He was a Lance Corporal, Number G/6229, 8th Bn. The Buffs (East Kent Regt).
His name is on the Loos Memorial, Pas de Calais, France.
Did Jesse and Caroline had any other children ? I do not yet know. Maybe you can help fill in some more gaps for me??
Best wishes,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Many,many thanks for the information that you posted,it's a lot more than I had expected. ;D
So you'll be away for three weeks? that should give me enough time to take in the info you have given me,compare notes, and get back to you. :)
Enjoy your DIY :-\
Best wishes,Mick ;)
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Hi
My Mott family originate from wootton / Sunningwell area of Berkshire :-
John Mott (born c 1811 Wootton Berks) married Mary Dorman in 1837 Sutton Courtenay Berks, their children :-
Esther (born 1838) married william Absolom
Charles (born 1840) married Elizabeth Lyford
James Mott (born 1841) married Ann Dawson
Mary mott (Dorman) must have died between 1841-47 as john got married again in 1847 Sunningwell to Hannah Whale, (she already having 2 children) they had a son -
Henry Mott ( born 1853 Sunningwell) married Martha Dawson
Charles ,Esther, James and Henry moved with their families up to North Riding Yorks 1871-1881,as they are all on 1881 census living in Liverton/Skinningrove areas,working in Ironstone mine industry.
Do you have any information on this Mott family from Berkshire?, especially anything on John Mott / Mary Dormans ancestors, as I have come to a halt
Thanks
Dodger
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Hi Dodger,
Thanks for the query. Sorry about the delay in replying, but I've been away from home for four weeks, and had a very busy week since I returned.
John Mott of Berkshire
John wed Mary Dorman 02 September 1837 in Sutton Courtenay - their marriage reg is 1837 Sept qtr 6.163 Abingdon.
As you said, they had three children, Ester, Charles, & James.
Wife Mary died 1844 Dec qtr 6.91 Abingdon.
John remarried to Hannah Whale on 07 October 1847 - Dec qtr 6.257 Abingdon.
You say that they had one child, Henry, born 1853. I do not have any Henry born in that year. My info is that they had three children -
John ca 1848 (not in GRO)
Sarah A 1851 Dec qtr 6.143 Abingdon
ORSarah 1851 Dec qtr 6.153 Abingdon
Henry 1855 Jun qtr 2c.248 Abingdon
There is a query as to which of the two Sarah's is the right one - I know they did have one child of that name.
You say that Henry married a Martha Dawson - I don't have that on his card but will check through the database when I get off Rootschat.
Going back to the issue of John & Mary Dorman, as you say Ester married William Absolom. They wed 04 February 1866 Abingdon.
Charles 1840 was in fact born 1839 Dec qtr 6.117 Abingdon. I wasn't aware that he had married Elizabeth Lyford, so thanks for that.
James 1841 was born 1842 Dec qtr 6.120 Abingdon. As you said, he married Ann Dawson. That was in 1866 Sept qtr 2c.472 Abingdon. Do you have the issue for him - they had nine children. I guess you already have the 1881 and 1901 census for him? Were Martha Dawson & Ann Dawson related ??
John 1811 died/buried 24 July 1862 - Sept qtr 2c.149 Abingdon
Wife Hannah died/buried 12 August 1861 - Sept qtr 2c.154 Abingdon.
Now then - going back to John 1811 & his parents. That's a tricky one !!
I have on file a John, baptised 27 October 1811 in Wootton, a son of John & Ann (CHAMP). He was brother to Mary 1798; James 1800; Sarah 1802; Ann 1804; Rhoda 1807; William 1809; & Charlotte 1817. That is from the Parish Registers.
Father John was baptised 05 April 1778 in Cumnor. He was the son of Thomas & Elizabeth (CARTER), and brother to Elizabeth 1770; Ann 1772; Jane 1772; & Mary 1781. He married Ann Champ 10 October 1812 in Wootton,
& I am for the present assuming that this John is the correct ancestry line behind John 1811, and that this John 1811 is the same one as wed Mary Dorman.
Thomas who wed Elizabeth Carter, I assume came from Cumnor but possibly not. He wed Elizabeth Carter 07 January 1770. I believe he died circa 1800, and his wife died circa 1808. These details came from the LDS Files, number FHL 1279456, followed up by the LDS Vital Records.
Hope some of the above is of use to you,
Fred
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Hi and welcome back i just want to thank you for your help with Charles William Mott i recieved his certificate whic gave me his parents Charles and Annie Ridley, i am currently waiting for their marriage certificate to go back next step.
to see current list of descendants you can visit http://cgi.mottfamily.plus.com/genealogy/index.php
Many thanks for again for your help and if you have can be of any further assistance i will be grateful
Doug
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Hi Fred
Wonder if you have any Mott's from Stockport in the 1900's looking for an Avis Mott or (Avice), but if you have any would be interested in them.
Jackie
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Hi Fred
Please can you tell me if you have any information on Thomas Mott born 1900/1 he married Dorothy Hunt in 1923.
Many thanks
Doug
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Any of your Mott family in U.S.? I have that name married into my family in New York or one of the New England states. (Ct., Vt. or New Hampshire. Don't have the paperwork in front of me.) There is a site on-line w/a lot of info on that name for U.S.. Leagen
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Hi Fred
Wonder if you have any Mott's from Stockport in the 1900's looking for an Avis Mott or (Avice), but if you have any would be interested in them.
Jackie
Hi Jackie,
Sorry, no AVIS/AVICE this side of 1765.
Sorry not to have replied earlier, but I was involved in a serious car smash and been out of action for three weeks.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Please can you tell me if you have any information on Thomas Mott born 1900/1 he married Dorothy Hunt in 1923.
Many thanks
Doug
Hi Again, Doug,
Thomas Bertram MOTT was born 05 February 1901, birth registered 1901 March qtr 1d.696 Wandsworth.
He was the son of Samuel Thomas & Zeller Jane (HORES), Samuel Thomas being born 1879.
Thomas Bertram married Dorothy HUNT 1923 June qtr 2b.151 Eastbourne.
I believe he wed a second time (some guys are a glutton for punishment!!) in 1904 June qtr 1d.127 Southwark.
Father Samuel was the son of a Sophia MOTT, but I don't know who her husband was. There were five siblings also.
I guess you wanted this info for Robin who contacted you on your Mott Family History site?
Sorry to be late in replying but I've been laid up for three weeks.
Best wishes
Fred
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Hi Fred
Sorry to hear about your accident and hope you are feeling better.
Thank you for your reply, have you any Mott family from Oldham, Lancs during 1900's
Thank you
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Mott's from Oldham in the 1900's ??
I have 13 out of 32 who were born in the 1900's as follows:-
YEAR QTR FOLIO/PAGE MMN
Annie 1923 4 8d.925 NADEN
Arthur 1902 2 8d.632
Ellen 1931 2 8d.1114 RICHARDS
Esther 1926 3 8d.1232 NADEN
Florence M. 1920 2 8d.1239 LORD
Fred 1907 4 8d.574
George 1928 3 8d.1175 NADEN
Harry 1904 4 8d.645
Harry 1912 1 8d.1267 MILLS
Ivy 1901 2 8d.609
Joan 1939 4 8d.1189 HAWKINS
John Joe 1905 4 8d.597
Jonathan Christopher 1984 3 39.361 HOWARTH
These are from the entries in the computer - I've no doubt got some more which are yet to be inputted. If you have a specific person you are after, let me know.
Best wishes,
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thanks for your reply, a few weeks ago I made contact with an old neighbour not seen since 1962, to cut a long story short her g grandmother was a Mott, Elizabeth who married James Hammond in 1899, her father was James trying to find out the relation between him and my gran who was Edith Mott, father John, also friends older sister asked if I had come across Avice L Mott who during the war stayed at my grans house and they became friends, Avice was born in Oldham in 1933 her father being John Mott, so trying to find out if he was from Oldham or as I think my gran's brother. I have a John Mott marriage to Ellen in Oldham in 1929.
Thanks
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
A result for you! :)
Avice L. MOTT born 1932 September qtr 8d.1073 Oldham, mothers' maiden name RICHARDS.
Seems she had a sister, as I found an Ellen MOTT, born 1931 June qtr 8d.1114 Oldham, mmn RICHARDS.
Checked a few years more either side of 1930 but couldn't see any others?
These names were in papers waiting to be processed, which is why I didn't find them first go.
Don't seem to have the Elizabeth marriage to James Hammond, though. You said 1899? I checked from 1896 thru 1902, and though there are some 8 or 9 Elizabeth's none wed in Oldham. The nearest I have for you is one in Stockport - 1899 Sep qtr 8a.46 Stockport - but no indication of spouses' name. Is this she??
Fred
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Hi Fred
That is her and a sister too thank you so much, going to try and find who they married now, their father was John Mott, thought John could have been my grandmother's brother but her John William died in 1914, so maybe nephew as Avice stayed with my gran during the war, Margaret who lived next door to my gran was then also a teenager and became friendly with Avice during her stay with gran in Stockport, in fact her younger sister was called after her but her name was Avis, these are the grandchildren of Elizabeth and James Hammond, you have found them also they married in Stockport. Maybe now if I find either Avice or Ellen Motts marriages may be able to go forward for my friend, and find either them or their family
Thank you so much for helping. Hope you are well.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Have a marriage for a John MOTT to an Ellen TURNER - 1929 December qtr 8d.1692 Oldham. Is this one from your tree?
No news on marriages for either Avice or sister Ellen yet, but I'll keep looking.
Fred
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Me again!
I've found more about Ellen MOTT, sister of Avice. There is a death recorded 1932 March qtr 8d.1134 Oldham, age "0". I'm not certain, but this looks like her?
Fred
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Hello Fred
Yes sure that John must be from my tree, those are Avice's parents, think John was her second husband, and also if Avice stayed at my gran's during the war years then I bet Ellen would have been with her so that must be her she died as a baby. A friend found a marriage Alice L Mott to a Hoy in 1952 in Oldham we are wondering if it could be her and just a typing error, or a very big coincidence.
Thank you for helping me on this Fred much appreciated.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Been through the marriages looking for Avice, but no luck. I've checked from 1952 thru 1960.
John & Ellen TURNER can't be parents of Avice & Ellen - their mothers maiden name was RICHARDS.
Still have a few aches here & there, but slowly improving. Been a month now, and I've taken more pills in these last four weeks than I have for years!!
Never mind, eh? Keep smiling :)
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thank you for checking the marriages it looks as if the one in December 1952 could be her then there is only one letter wrong it says Alice L Mott to ? Hoy.
But did manage to find this Ellen Richards to Frank Turner Oldham register in 1927
Ellen Turner to John Mott again Oldham register in 1929, two marriages in two years.
I am glad to hear you are improving.
Thanks again Fred
Best wishes
Jackie
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Thanks for that info, Jackie. Now I understand the TURNER/RICHRDS connection. As you said, two marriages in 2 years!
That other marriage with Avice/Alice, if you haven't got it yet, was to Daniel K. HOY, 1952 March qtr10f 230 Oldham.
G'night.
Fred
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Hi Fred
No I had not got his full name so thank you, may have to send for that certificate and state only if father is John Mott.
Then next thing is to find what relation John Mott is to my gran she was Edith Mott born in Stockport, had a brother John William but died in war.
Goodnight and thank you
Jackie
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Hi Fred
Hope you are well, just to let you know just checked on Lancashire bmd it has been updated and found the marriage of Avice and it is the one you said to Daniel K Hoy so now a little closer to finding her for Margaret really excited, think now need to see if I can find any children.
Thank you so much.
Jackie
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You are most welcome, Jackie. Always glad to be of help to anyone.
Let me know how you get on.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thank you for checking the marriages it looks as if the one in December 1952 could be her then there is only one letter wrong it says Alice L Mott to ? Hoy.
But did manage to find this Ellen Richards to Frank Turner Oldham register in 1927
Ellen Turner to John Mott again Oldham register in 1929, two marriages in two years.
I am glad to hear you are improving.
Thanks again Fred
Best wishes
Jackie
Hi Jackie,
You caught me on the hop last night !
Your details of the marriages for Ellen Richards to John Turner, then Ellen Turner to John MOTT doesn't work out?
When children Ellen(1931) & Avice (1932) were born, their mothers' mmn was RICHARDS - i.e. Ellen Richards married to a MOTT, not a Turner nee Richards married to a MOTT. She would not have married as a 'TURNER' then registered her children under her former married name.
Strange to say, there is no marriage (1921 thru 1934) of a MOTT to a RICHARDS in the registers.
Fred
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Hi Fred
This is very confusing now but on the Lancashire bmd it has her Ellen Richards as being a Turner and then Mott, they have changed it eg John Mott would be underlined to show that this is a second marriage and you click on his name and it shows both names Ellen Turner and Ellen Richards to John Mott. I think that on the birth gro they show the mothers maiden name but if like my gran's hers says mother Elizabeth Brown, formerly Hodges, late Jones.
Now started to look for next generation of Hoy with mothers maiden name of Mott of course don't know if they had children or if they stayed on in Oldham all that to unfold.
I have been waiting for three months for a film to arrive at the Family Centre (LDS) and at last got phone call today so hoping tomorrow to find my grandfathers war record he is a Phillips and a bit of a mystery man, family rumours last seen walking round Stockport in 1936 wearing monks robes, so if his army records survived might learn something about this man, dad never spoke of him was only about 9 when Isaac vanished.
Thanks for all your help Fred
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Just to start you off, Avice & Daniel HOY first two children were - Daniel J. 1952 Dec qtr 10f.81 Oldham mmn MOTT
Robert C. K. 1955 March qtr 10f.163 Oldham (MOTT)
I haven't checked after 1955 - didn't know if you wanted any more?
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thank you so much going to try and find them and now thanks to you found the connection between the neighbour I have just got contact with again and my Motts, if you can follow me James Mott (who was John's father) married Sarah Ann Dunn in 1871 they had daughter Elizabeth Mott who married James Hammond in 1899, so that makes Elizabeth and John half brother/sister, John being my g grandfather, so my old neighbour (her name is Avis called after Avice) and I are related, now to find out where the other Avice Mott comes into all this. Going to try and find the two sons so will let you know after I make phone call tonight.
Jackie
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Hi Fred
Just to let you know I have spoken to Daniel J Hoy tonight and his mum Avice passed away ten years ago. Did tell me that his grandfather John Mott married twice and has given me the name of his cousin so I am going to ring him and see if I can find out what relation John Mott to my gran Edith.
I will write tomorrow to let Margaret know about Avice.
Thank you for all your help once again.
Will let you know any more I find out.
Regards
Jackie
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I've been trying to do a friend's family tree for him.
His mother was a Mott. So far I have been able to find the following.....any others belong to this tree ??
John Mott married Eleanor
(dates unknown)
child:
John Mott. b.1801 St. Leonards, Shoreditch
married Frances Burley
children:
William b. abt 1830 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Frances b. abt 1832 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Robert John b. Jul 1837 - Battersea
George b.May 1840 - Battersea
Louise b.abt 1842 - Battersea
Sarah b. abt 1842 - Battersea (maybe same as Louise)
Mary b. abt 1845 - Battersea
Charles b. abt 1848 -
Robert John Mott (b. 1837) married Sarah Pearce (nee Gilbert)
in 1862 at St. John the Evangelist, Notting Hill
children:
Frances b. 1862 - Battersea
Alice b. abt 1864 - Battersea
Jane b. abt 1867 - Battersea
Robert John b. 1868 - Battersea
Edwin J b. abt 1871 - Battersea
Robert John Mott (b. 1868) married Elizabeth Woolhouse in 1891 at Wimbledon.
children:
Frederick Cecil b. 1894 - Merton, Surrey
Ida Edith b. abt 1899
Frederick Cecil Mott (b. 1894) married Ethel Horwood in 1917 at St. Mary's Church, Tothill Fields, Westminster
children:
Joan Iris b. 1920 - Merton, Surrey
Stanlry b. abt 1917
Reginald b. abt 1923
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
mark
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Hi Fred
How are you feeling now, improving I hope, not managed to get hold of Avice's half brother yet but will try again.
Have you any info on James Mott please he was born in Heaton Norris in 1839, found his marriage to Elizabeth Littlewood, according to that James's father was a William Mott, nothing on Cheshire on William Mott's death as yet.
Update - Peter has found him in the census for me no wonder could not find his birth in Stockport he is from Manchester, but found his death now on ancestry in 1888, born about 1818/19 and two sisters Eliza born about 1811 and Caroline about 1815 all Manchester
Thank you
Jackie
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I've been trying to do a friend's family tree for him.
His mother was a Mott. So far I have been able to find the following.....any others belong to this tree ??
John Mott married Eleanor
(dates unknown)
child:
John Mott. b.1801 St. Leonards, Shoreditch
married Frances Burley
children:
William b. abt 1830 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Frances b. abt 1832 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Robert John b. Jul 1837 - Battersea
George b.May 1840 - Battersea
Louise b.abt 1842 - Battersea
Sarah b. abt 1842 - Battersea (maybe same as Louise)
Mary b. abt 1845 - Battersea
Charles b. abt 1848 -
Robert John Mott (b. 1837) married Sarah Pearce (nee Gilbert)
in 1862 at St. John the Evangelist, Notting Hill
children:
Frances b. 1862 - Battersea
Alice b. abt 1864 - Battersea
Jane b. abt 1867 - Battersea
Robert John b. 1868 - Battersea
Edwin J b. abt 1871 - Battersea
Robert John Mott (b. 1868) married Elizabeth Woolhouse in 1891 at Wimbledon.
children:
Frederick Cecil b. 1894 - Merton, Surrey
Ida Edith b. abt 1899
Frederick Cecil Mott (b. 1894) married Ethel Horwood in 1917 at St. Mary's Church, Tothill Fields, Westminster
children:
Joan Iris b. 1920 - Merton, Surrey
Stanlry b. abt 1917
Reginald b. abt 1923
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
mark
Hi Mark
Ref the MOTT family, there is a marriage recorded between a John MOTT and Eleanor CROW in London on 01 Jan 1800. This is found in the London Marriage Licences 1521 to 1869 held by the SoG (Society of Genealogists) in London.
I'm not stating that this is the same John as in that tree, but possible?
As well as the John (baptised 17 Jan 1802 in St.Leonards, Shoreditch
there was William(1806);Thomas(1809);Esther(1814) and possibly Catherine(1815)?
Regarding the issue of John & Frances (Burley), I have no record of Frances(1832) and Louise(1842) to them? Of the others, Robert John 1837 was baptised with brother George 10 Oct 1840. I'm wondering if George was the same guy that wed Lucy Hill 04 March 1866 in Putney? Their last child, Charles, in the 1881 census, was "Aged 33 yrs. An upholsterer." Married to Elizabeth, who was 32 yrs. Their address in the census was The Shop, Wandwsorth (that should be easy to find !!!)
Jane 1866, daughter of Robert John & Sarah (1866 Sep qtr ), is found in the 1881 census as "Aged 14 yrs. Servant". Living at 325 High Street, Chatham, in the h/hold of family Webb. You give their last born child as Edwin J - I think you will find that he was Edwin Gilbert, 1871 March qtr. He died 1872 March qtr 1d.386 Wandsworth.
Do you have any info on the possible grandchildren from Frederick Cecil's issue? By the way, the birth details for them are:
Stanley F 1918 Dec qtr 2a.504 Crotdon
Joan Iris 1921 March qtr 2a 671 Croydon
Reginald R 1925 June qtr 2a.685 Croydon
Fred
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Fred,
Im going to visit the child of Joan Iris Mott this weekend, I'll ask him for details.
Thanks for replying
regards
mark
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Fred,
Just had a quick look and
Francis (daughter) aged 18yrs is on the 1851 census
2 George Place, Battersea - St. Mary - HO107 / 1577 page 3 ...............sorry haven't got any other ref's at the moment.
Sarah is also on this census aged 8yrs...................on the 1861 census Sarah isn't mentioned but Louise is ages 19yrs...........presumeably she was called Sarah Louise or Louise Sarah ???
1861 census - RG9 / 370 83 page 1 ( 34 Frances Street, Battersea ) same address as 1871 census
Stanley F Mott - married - Katherine
children:
Alice
Vanessa
Nigel - married - Jane
Reginald R Mott - married - Joan
children:
Geoffrey (b. abt 1952)
Stephen ( b. abt 1957)
Richard (b. abt 1967)
Joan Iris Mott (born Dec 15th 1920 - died May 29th 1971) - married Juan Riu (born 1901 - died 1969) married June 6th 1946 in New York USA
child:
Juan Riu (born 1952) Colombia, South America
mark
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the info so far.
Did Stanley F marry in England, or did he go to USA with Joan Iris?
The only Stanley F I have married a Roberts in 1938 March qtr in Braintree - is this he?? If it is, then I cannot find the children you give for him, which is why I thought maybe he went with his sister.
Issue Alice, Vanessa & Nigel do not appear in the GRO as far as I can see?
Reginalds' issue details are:
Geoffrey P. 1952 December qtr 5g.463 Surrey NE
Stephen G. 1957 March qtr 5g.467 Surrey N
Richard Robert 1967 June qtr 5g.233 Surrey NW.
Mother was Joan Killick.
Fred
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Hello Fred
How are you now, have you recovered from your accident, went to library this morning and found the marriage of William Mott
St Marys Cheadle May 27th 1838 William Mott age 20 to Mary Dorsett age 20 both of Edgeley, Williams father Joseph a pattern designer and Marys father John Dorsett so looks like the William baptised at Manchester Cathedral is this William, also while looking for something else found this don't know as yet if my Williams son but it had at same church in 1860 Andrew Mott age 21 (father William) to Ann Bailey age 20 (father Daniel) but had Andrew as living in Handforth and Ann in Edgeley Stockport.
Have you any records of a marriage of Florrie Mott born Stockport 1906.
also Elizabeth Ann Mott to William Jamieson I have 1902 but not on Cheshire bmd for some reason trying to find out which church
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Thanks, Yes I am getting better. Still have some aches though. :'(
Regarding your queries:-
William Mott & Mary Dorsett - I don't have this William on file, not if he has given his true age. The nearest I have is a William bapt December 1817 in Kings Bromley, which is quite a way away.
Again with Andrew Mott & Ann Bailey, no record of them either.
As for the Florrie you asked about, I can help you there.
' Florrie ' was born Florence (surprise, surprise!) 1906 June qtr 8a.29 Stockport. I have a marriage for a Florence S. to a Frank Holmes 1932 September qtr 8e.317 Haslingden - will that do ??
Lastly, Elizabeth Ann Mott & William Jamieson in 1902. There is an Elizabeth Ann marrying in 1902 December qtr 8a.134 Stockport
but at present don't know if it was to Wm Jamieson - probably was.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Glad you are on the mend.
This William Mott is the direct line from John Mott my gran Edith's father he married Susannah Rowlands, think this is the William Mott baptised at Manchester Cathedral in 1818 father Joseph and mother Mary, you mentioned them on the Cheshire look up thread I had.
Thank you for the other info.
Best wishes
Jackie
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Jackie,
I've found another Elizabeth, this time it looks more promising!
Elizabeth Ann MOTT born 24 June 1885 Sept. qtr 8a 85 Stockport.
Daughter of John & Susannah ROWLANDS, and sister to:-
John William(1881);James(1882);Albert(1887);Edith(1893); and Alfred(1898).
1901 census "Aged 15 yrs. Cotton Card Room hand." Address - 4 Bk., Brook Street, Stockport.
How 'bout them apples !!! Or did you already have this??
I can confirm that the marriage I mentioned for Elizabeth Ann WAS to William Jamieson. I can also tell you that there was a William born 1914 June qtr 8a 85 Stockport, mmn Jamieson. So there is a double connection between the two families.
Fred
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Hi again, Jackie!
Yup, me again. I've just done some checking, and can tell you the following.
That William Mott, b 1814, mmn Jamieson - he was the son of James MOTT and Mary Jane nee Jamieson. They were wed 1902 June qtr 8a.113, so I guess there are other issue between 1902 and 1914!
I assume that the James is in fact the James 1882, brother of Elizabeth Ann 1885, and there were two weddings in the family in 1902.
OK?
Fred
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Hi Fred
Apples are on their way along with the grapes.
Here is one for you Mary J Jamieson married James Mott at St Thomas church, Stockport in 1902, parents I presume of William, there was also Ernest in 1911 still a big gap between marriage and first born. James and Elizabeth Ann are of course brother and sister of my gran Edith, remember mum talking about cousins with surname Jamieson, yet to come forward enough. I can not find where in Stockport Elizabeth Ann married.
John is the father of James, Elizabeth, Edith, John William, Albert and Alfred , James is the father of John and William is the father of James, then Joseph is the father of William.
Best wishes
Jackie
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Jackie,
I hate to be logical or obvious, but if you want to find out where Elizabeth Jane married William Jamieson, should you not send for the marriage certificate? I gave you the Registration details in the previous message.
I'm wondering if you've seen it on page four ?
Fred
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Hi Fred
Yes thank you I have made a note of Elizabeth Ann's marriage reference.
Regards
Jackie
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Fred
I've spoken to Juan Riu (jnr) and he says he is certain that the names are correct (although the family do not seem to talk to each other..........so who knows)
Joan went to USA to get married. (she was virtually 'cut' off by the family for marrying an older foreigner)
The rest of the family stayed in England.
I'll post new info as and when I get it.
mark
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Let me introduce myself...
My name is Arthur H. Mott Jr.
I live in Illinois,USA.
The reason I am contacting you is; I have been looking for some information on my Grandfather and was wandering if you could possibly help me ? I have acquired a bit of information on him ,what I am looking for are the Parents of my Grandfather....here is the information I have on him as follows;
Marcius Mott b:abt.1854....d: 1878he was married to
Henrietta (Yant) Mott married in 1875, 19, March
Henrietta was born abt.1858 and not sure on death.
We do know they were married in McDonough County,IL. (Lee township) in 1875
We also have this information on Henrietta (yant) Mott;
Ms. Yant was living with her guardians at the time they were married.
I do have a copy of there marriage license..and it states as follows;
Marcius Mott of Lee Township in the County of Fulton,IL. at the age of 21 and Ms. Yant of Lee township in the county of Fulton, IL. at the age of 16..
Witness; Allaen Sparks, County Clerk...at his office in, Macomb (city then)...
Any information would be helpful.
As I have said we are really in need of the Parents name of Mardius.......any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi everybody
A new Mott line from Hadleigh Suffolk!
Got Census/ birth/ marriage info etc on:
Grandfather - Arthur Mott b 1862 Hadleigh Suffolk, married Charlotte Allen (b 1857) 1857
Gt Grdfthr - William Ranson Mott b Hadleigh 1832, married Louisa Adney Rashbrook(b 1835) 1852
Don't have much info on:
Gt Gt Grdfthr William Mott b?? married Martha Stow(b 1796) Hadleigh 1826
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Hi Jean,
Saw your Mott info today. Nice to have yet another person interested in the Mott's.
According to my files William Ranson Mott was baptised 27 February 1833 in Hadleigh, son of William and Martha (Stow), as you said, and brother to Martha (1827). I don't have any other children to this marriage - do you?
I am assuming a year of 1805 for father William's birth. There is a William Mott recorded in Whites Directory for Suffolk (1844) being ' a Butcher of Bridge Street, Hadleigh'. I guess he could be the same person?
William Ranson married in 1852, as you know, marriage registered in Ipswich. The only issue I have for them are William (1862); Kate E(1866); and Cyril (1870). I have Arthur on file, but not as son to William and Louisa (simply because I had no further info on him regarding parents).
The Arthur born 1862 was registered in Sudbury, and according to the 1881 census was 'Aged 19 years. Unmarried. Groom. Born Shimpling.' His address in the census was The Hall, Bentworth, Hampshire, in the household of Ann Wigley, a widow.
I would appreciate it if you could let me have any info on other issue, either to William and Martha (Stow) or to William Ranson & Louisa.
Best wishes,
Fred
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Hi tradelin
I don't have any more info on Martha and William childen.
I have Martha christening as 26/4/1796 (IGI) so assumed William would be born about same time but your info is interesting.
For William R/ Louisa children:
Louisa Ellen 1855
Francis E 1857
Henry W 1/12/1860
Arthur born 1862 Hadleigh (Cosford ditrict) BMD ref Mar 1862 4a 422. Married Charlotte Allen Dec 1879 Croydon 2a 372. Charlotte born 13/12/1857 Chalvey Bucks
William 1865
Kate Emma 1866
Cyrell Emma 1869
Cyril 1871 (1870?)
The 1881 census info I have William R is 20 Elizabeth Place Rotherhithe, Surrey, inkpacker.
1891 - White Hart Upton cum Chalvey licensed victualler
1901 - 7 Blue Inn Row, Dover
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Tradelin,
Sorry census info I quoted is for Arthur
William R
1871 - Angel St Hadleigh, butcher
1881 - 3 Adams Place Rotherhithe
1891- 73 Rotherhithe New Rd Bermondsey, Surrey, butcher
1901 - 3 Portland place, North Lambeth, Surrey, builders clerk
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Thanks Jean for that info. Will look more closely at it when I get some spare time! Too many irons in the fire is my problem. Thanks again.
Fred
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Hi Jean. Managed to have a look at what you kindly sent. Can't add much to it. The first few children were not apparently registered in the GRO. Henry W. circa 1860 - I have one on file, born Hadleigh, who wed a 'Mary' and had five children, as follows:
Henry(1880);William E(1882);Rhoda F(1885);Beatrice Mary(1887) & Lydia Elizabeth(1889).
He was described as a fishmonger in 1891. His address then was 9 Queens Terrace, Ballards Lane, Finchley. Would this be the same guy as listed in your issue for Wm R? ???
William 1863 (William Walter) wed Alice Emma Gower 11.2.1887 in the Register Office in St. Olave, London.
He was the father of William Ranson(1884);Joseph C(1892);Frederick Cyril(1894);Frank Cecil(1895);Frances V.L(1896);Gladys May(1898);John Dewar(1899);Robert Pretoria(1900);Jessie Gower(1891).
In the 1901 census he was "Aged 37 yrs. Born Blidestone. A Commercial traveller".
Address - 123 Stockwell Park Road, Lambeth. His wife was d/o James Frederick Gower.
Do you know if there is any connection between William Ranson & family and a Cyril Ranson born 1884 in Islington district ??
Fred
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THis just caught my attention because on of the names in that last postings was a Robert Pretoria. My grandmother was born in Halifax and was named Mabel Pretoria. I always thought it must have been because my great grandfather was thinking of emigrating to South Africa. Having seen this and since he was born in the same year as my grandmother, I assume something big must have been going on in Pretoria, South Africa.
A bit of useless information but I thought I would pass it on.
Sharleen
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Would you believe the South African War (Boer War) 1899 - 1902? Robert Pretoria was born, I guess, around mid June/earlyJuly 1900. The British captured Pretoria on June 5th. Good job it wasn't somewhere like Mozambique !! :D
Fred
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Which goes to show what I know about my own history. I guess I can allow the old age to make an excuse for me. I learnt about the boer war some 30 odd years ago.
My grandmother was born in April 1900. She was either going to be called Mafeking or as it was landed up with Mabel Pretoria.
Was royally chuffed when at a late age in her life she sent off her birth certificate to the South African government archives to prove that she had been born in Halifax England and had the name Pretoria. They replied to say that It now hung it in the hall of fame. I am assuming it was File 13.
I am glad it wasn't Mozambique, but hey it is a beautiful place to Scuba Dive
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Hi Fred,
We seem to have our "wires crossed" on Henry William Mott!
Henry William was the older brother of Arthur Mott (sons of William Ranson Mott) and was born on February 1, 1860 in Bridge Street, Hadleigh, Suffolk. 1901 census has him as living at 34 Chestnut Road, Bushey Mead, Merton, Surrey, a retired fishmonger.
HW Married Mary STRONG (daughter of William Edward STRONG and Jane Walker BURCHALL) on August 15, 1880 in Holy Trinity Church, Rotherhithe, Surrey. Children:
Henry S MOTT b 1881 in Rotherhithe, Surrey.
William MOTT b 1883 in Brixton, Surrey.
Rhoda Frances MOTT b June 1885 in Peckham, Surrey.
Lydia Elizabeth MOTT b December 1889 in Finchley, Middlsex. Beatrice Mary MOTT b March 1887 in Rotherhithe, Surrey. Thomas Frederick MOTT b March 1897 in Wimbledon, Surrey.
Any clues where the Ranson came from for William Ranson Mott b 1832 and then the grandson - another William Ranson b 1884?
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Hi Jean,
Thankyou for your previous message. I had Arthur as being the one registered in Sudbury (both in March 1862, I had to pick the wrong one!) :P
I have some extra info for you concerning Wm Ranson family.
Working through my files I have a Henry William, born circa 1853, who was buried 17 March 1854 St. Mary, Hadleigh. "an infant" Death registered 4a.308 Cosford. I believe every good chance he could have been their first born ?
Secondly, I have a William Henry baptised 11 March 1854 Hadleigh "son of William & Louisa". (1854 March qtr 4a.399 Cosford). On the card I have for him, it states that he was the brother of Frances Emily, Louisa Ellen & Charlotte Kate.
Charlotte Kate is the next "extra". Baptised 10 March 1859, birth registered 1858 Dec qtr 4a.395 Cosford. She was buried 17 March 1859 St.Mary, Hadleigh "infant".
Notice that, curiously, both she and brother Henry William both died on the same day/month, albeit different year!
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Thanks for that info.
Going up the tree (literally) I am stuck at William Mott who was William Ranson Mott father and Arthur/ Henry William etc grandfather.
William snr married Marth Stow c. 1826 and I was informed today that Martha was a widow at the time and that the 1851 census has William as born in Hadleigh (c. ??) but I can't find any record of his birth although IGI has at least 2 other Mott families in Hadleigh C. 1800.
If anybody's got any info or can check 1851 census for me much appreciated.
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Ok think I've cracked it for the Hadleigh Motts!
According to info received today from a good source Martha Welham (b 1803 to John Welham and Martha Ranson) married Serjeant Blackful Stow who died about 1824. Martha then married William Mott and William Ranson Mott (b 1833) was their son.
William Mott snr (b circa 1807) is probably the son of John Mott (b between 1782 and 1785) and Anne Aylward but no baptism has been found for him.
Martha probably had children by her previous husband - don't know!
If anybody finds a link between William snr and "father" John let me know.
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Thanks Jean and to your "good source" for that info. Now we know where the names Ranson came from. :).
Let us hope we can get some more info on this family.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Its been a while since i have visited, but i was wonder if you have any details on James Mott born about 1824 i believe in Broomfield Essex. i have located censuses from 1861-1891 and they state that his wifes name was Charlotte but i don't know her surname. Is there anything you can help me with?
regards
Doug
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Well Hi Doug!
Nice to hear from you again.
The nearest I have for a James Mott marrying a Charlotte is from the 1992 IGI. James Mott married Charlotte Fairman 10th September 1843, but in London, not Essex (although he obviously could have come from there). The marriage took place in St. Lawrence Jewry, London.
There does not appear to be a marriage in the GRO for this couple, not in the September or December qtrs? Nearest is December 1844, one year later, in Marylebone (maybe the IGI got the year wrong!)
Fred
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Hi Fred - Hope you are well -
Back to my Mott family again I have now baptisms for William Mott it has parents as Joseph and Mary Mott of Manchester, baptisms was 15th November 1818, do you have any info on a Joseph Motts birth please.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Yes thankyou, I have improved a lot since the events of January. Almost back to normal - well, that's my opinion anyway!
I have that William on file, baptised as you said 15.11.1818, son of Joseph & Mary.
Unfortunately I do not have any info on father Joseph, other than an estimated birth year of 1795 (baptism year minus about 22 years - see how my so-called logic works!). No other info has come to light on him.
What I do have is a William, born circa 1815, who wed a Mary and was father to James(1839);John(1841);Joseph(1843);Margaret(1845);Mary(1848). Seems possible that he could be that William 1818??
Fred
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Hi Fred
Yes they are mine have William age 25 Shoemaker living in Stockport with Mary age 25 and James age 2 on the 1841 census.
Found an old neighbour who turned out to be grandaughter of one of my Mott's and she asked if I had heard that the family were originally called LaMotte or LeMotte and were French? gypsies, which along with the fact the one had gone to New York was one of the tales told to us by my grandmother who was born Edith Mott.
Glad to hear to are feeling ok now
Regards
Jackie
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Hi again,
That was quick - was u waiting 4 a reply?
That story about them being descendants of la Mott(e), etc., is an old tale that I have heard over and over again since I started back in 1980 !! Most of it seems to be wishful thinking! No doubt some do have that line, but hard to prove.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Thanks, thought that myself a story my gran told my brothers and I when we were children, so will have to find my Joseph and Mary's marriage next and go from there.
regards
Jackie
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Dear All
I have a William H Mott (baker) married to a Mary E with children, William J, Emily J, Charles J H and Jessie M. William John Mott (baker/chef) married my Elizabeth White (her father was a baker) in 1894 in Fulham - they had the following children but could have had more:-
Elizabeth Mott b 1895 (abt) married Reginald P Saunders in 1921
Mary E E Mott b 1896 (abt) married James S Batt in 1921
Amelia Mott b 1898 (abt)
Does anyone else have any of these Motts in their tree?
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Hi, Rozee,
Before I answer your query on the MOTT names, could you please tell me your connection with these people. I assume you have these in your family tree?, but could you tell me if you have further MOTT info nearer the present day. I do not want to duplicate any info you may already have. I have quite a long list of details on them and I don't want to clog the system unneccessarily - (plus the fact that you may have something new for me!)
Tradelin
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Dear Tradelin
The info that I gave you in the post was about all I have - my grandmother's sister, Elizabeth, married William John Mott. My grandmother was Rose White - she married a Cyril Lewis. They emigrated to Australia and we have had no contact with any of the family, except I once met a distant cousin called Robina (we think she was the child of Elizabeth Mott and Reginald Saunders. My grandmother wrote to her niece Elizabeth (Emmie Saunders). We have been looking and I found the Motts through the indexes and census information and from some notes left by my grandmother, they seem to be the right ones. My g greatfather, George White was a baker as was his father and father-in-law. Are you connected in any way to this Mott family. I am currently away in Queensland and cannot put my hands on all my files so the above facts are just from memory. Would appreciate any information that you can give me.
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Hi Rozee,
Thanks for the reply. I intend sending you quite a lot of info, but because there is so much of it I will have to do it in sections.
We start off with Henry Isaac Mott, born circa 1815 in Regents Park, London (that's an area, not a piece of grass!!)
1) Henry married Margaret COOKE circa 1836 and they had seven children:-
1.1 Ann born circa 1837 Westminster
1.2 George Alexander born circa 1839 Westminster
1.3 Henry Isaac born 12 February 1841 St. Pancras
1.4 William Henry born 03 October 1843 St. Pancras
1.5 Charles born 1846 March qtr 1.382 St. Pancras
1.6 Alfred John born 1848 Sept qtr 1.366 St. Pancras
On the birth certificate for son Henry Isaac it stated that father's occupation was a 'pianoforte maker'. Henry's wife Margaret died 07 January 1886 of 'cardiac dropsy'. Her address at death was 155 Whitfield Street, St. Pancras. I do not have a death date for him.
1.1) Ann 1837 - no further info on her as yet.
1.2) George Alexander married Louisa -?- 1864 Dec qtr 1b.32 St. Pancras. They had seven children:-
1.2.1 Alexander William born 1866 March qtr 1b.475 Hackney
1.2.2 Louisa Florence born circa 1867/8 (no reg) Highgate
1.2.3 Herbert Arthur L. born 1868 Dec qtr 1b.191 St. Pancras
1.2.4 Emily Helena born 1873 June qtr 1b.179 St. Pancras
1.2.5 Lily born 1878 June qtr 1b.532 Hackney
1.2.6 George Frederick born 1879 June qtr 1d.477 Lambeth
1.2.7 Mary Ann H. born Dec qtr 1d.540 Lambeth
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1.3) Henry Isaac was born 12 February 1841 (March qtr 1.292) St. Pancras. He married Eliza BROCKLEY 02 November 1863 (Dec qtr 1d.564) Lambeth. They also had seven children:-
1.3.1 Henry George Johnson born 1865 June qtr 1b.149 St. Pancras
1.3.2 Percy William born 1867 June qtr 1b.174 St. Pancras
1.3.3 Alfred Stanley born 1869 June qtr 1b.129 St. Pancras
1.3.4 Eliza Annie born 1871 Sept qtr 1b.181 St. Pancras
1.3.5 Amy Margaret born 1873 Sept qtr 1b.179 St. Pancras
1.3.6 Mentor Radleigh born 1875 Sept qtr 1b.182 St. Pancras
1.3.7 Charles James born 1879 Dec qtr 1b.183 St. Pancras
Henry Isaac 1841 was born at 25 William Street, Regents Park, London. In the 1881 census Henry was "Aged 40 yrs. A Clerk." His wife was "Aged 37 yrs". Their address was 4 North Hill West, Hornsey. In Kellys Directory for 1894 their new address was 'Ingleside', Eastern Road, Fortis Green, Finchley.
Henry died 17 July 1908 (Sept qtr 3a.171 Edmonton). He was "Aged 67 yrs".
1.3.1) Henry George Johnson was born 23 March 1865 in Kentish Town. He wed Emily Josephine MOTT (a cousin - see 1.4.2) on 17 April 1892 in Muswell Hill, London.
They are believed to have had six children:-
1.3.1.1 Emily Eliza born 1892 June qtr 3a.272 Edmonton
1.3.1.2 Henry William Brockley born 1894 March qtr 1d.517 Lambeth
1.3.1.3 Stanley Alfred born 1896 June qtr 1d.498 Lambeth
1.3.1.4 Gladys Muriel born 1899 Dec qtr 1d.512 Lambeth
1.3.1.5 Leonard - no date or place of birth
1.3.1.6 Daisy - no date or place of birth
In the 1901 census Henry was "Aged 37 yrs. A Bakers' Traveller." His address in 1901 was 28 Lowden Road, Lambeth.
1.3.3) Alfred Stanley was born 19 February 1869. He married Edie -?-, date unknown
He died 19 February 1941 (his birthday!) in Friern Barnet, aged 72 yrs. His wife Edie died 04 March 1962 aged 80 yrs.
1.3.6) Mentor Radleigh married in 1902 Sept qtr 3a.598 Barnet - spouse unknown.
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1.4) William Henry was born 03 October 1843 at 26 Hertford Street, St. Pancras. He married Mary Eliza MUSTARD 01 July 1868 in The Old Church, St. Pancras. Marriage reg: 1868 September qtr 1b.90 St. Pancras. They had eight children:-
1.4.1 William John born 1869 March qtr 1b.176 St. Pancras
1.4.2 Emily Josephine born 1872 Sept qtr 1b.189 St. Pancras
1.4.3 Charles Thomas Herbert born 1877 June qtr 1a.450 Westminster
1.4.4 Jessy Maud Mary born 1879 Sept qtr 1a.478 Westminster
1.4.5 Cecil Claud born 1881 September qtr 1a.483 Westminster
1.4.6 Frederick Roland born 1886 June qtr 1d.520 Lambeth
1.4.7 Daisy - believed born 1890, not proven
1.4.8 Sydney Arthur born 1891 June qtr 1d.516 Lambeth
In the 1881 census William Henry was "Aged 37 yrs. Baker, employing 3 men and two boys." In 1891 he was "Aged 47 yrs. Baker." His wife Mary was "Aged 43 yrs." Their address was 203 Coldharbour Lane, Brixton.
1.4.1) William John married Elizabeth WHITE 02 September 1894 in St. Johns, Fulham. Marriage Reg: 1894 Sept qtr 1a.633 Fulham. His wife appears to have been aged 18 yrs at marriage. She was the daughter of George Frederick White, a baker. I have no issue listed for them. William John died 08 August 1902 (Sept qtr 1d.256) Lambeth. Address at death was 45 Heron Road, East Brixton.
1.4.2) Emily Josephine - see 1.3.1 on second page.
1.4.3) Charles Thomas Herbert was born 04 March 1877, and baptised 03 June.
1.4.4) Jessy Maud Mary married William Joseph WALLER 0n 15 September 1906 in St. Saviours, Herne Hill. Marriage reg: 1906 Sept qtr 1d.582 Lambeth
1.4.5) Cecil Claud was born 23 May 1881. He married Lily Evelyn MILBOURN on 27 October 1923 in Kingston, Surrey. They had five children, four from their marriage:-
1.4.1 Audrey born 12 January 1922. She was the baseborn child of Lily Evelyn Milbourn - father unknown. She was born one year before Cecil and Lily wed and she grew up with the surname of MOTT.
1.4.2 Peter Claud born 1924 Sept qtr 2a.755 Kingston
1.4.3 Evelyn Gladys born 1927 June qtr 2a.816 Kingston
1.4.4 Rosemary Dawn born 1933 Sept qtr 2a.814 Kingston
1.4.5 Muriel Mary born 1936 March qtr 2a.99 Surrey NE
Cecil Claud was born at 55 Great Marlborough Street, Westminster. He died 15 November 1949 at 51 Summer Road, Aldershot? During 1914 - 1918 he served in the Black Watch.
1.4.2) Peter Claud was born 31 May 1924. He died circa 1997?
1.4.3) Evelyn Gladys was born 03 April 1927. She emigrated to Australia with her parents. Is this your connection?
1.4.4) Rosemary Dawn died December 1998
1.4.5) Muriel Mary was born 22 December 1935 (birth registered 1936) in East Molesley, Surrey. She first wed Godfrey Graham Roland Protheroe WINTERS 0n 22 October 1954 in Kingston Register Office. They were divorced in 1970. She second married Gordon James Grant on 18 September 1972 in Aldershot Register Office.
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1.4.6) Frederick Roland married Emma -?- circa 1927? He was the father of two daughters - Elizabeth and Joan. Dates for all to be researched. He served in the Black Watch. His civilian occupation was as Architect within the Department of Public Works. He once lived at 45 Summer Road, Aldershot(?), and then in Powdermill Road, Twickenham, Middlesex.
1.4.7) Daisy born circa 1890? I have one on record born in Lambeth, but it requires checking out further to confirm parentage.
1.4.8) Sydney Arthur was born 25 March 1891 in Brixton. He wed Julian Henrietta HIGHMAN on 27 June 1914 (June qtr 1d.774) in the Register Office, Lambeth. They were parents of:-
1.4.8.1 Daisy Margaret born 1915 March qtr 2a.588 Croydon
1.4.8.2 William Arthur born 1916 March qtr 2a.601 Croydon
1.4.8.3 Julia Amelia born 1919 March qtr 2a.400 Croydon
1.4.8.4 Henry Roland born 1922 June qtr 2a.563 Croydon
1.4.8.5 John Edward born 1925 June qtr 2a.566 Croydon
1.4.8.6 Kenneth Hector born 1928 Dec qtr 2a.454 Croydon
Sydney Arthur was born at 203 Coldharbour Lane, Brixton. His wife was born 22 May 1894 at Glamis Road, Shadwell, London. Sydney was a Private 2nd Class in the Royal Flying Corps during WW1. His civilian occupation was an Insurance Clerk. His address in 1914 was 42 Lilford Road, Coldharbour Lane, Brixton. he died in March 1961 in the Mayday Hospital, Croydon. His wife died in 1998 at Pampasford Road, South Croydon.
1.4.8.1) Daisy Margaret was born 06 December 1914 in Thornton Heath, Surrey.(registered March 1915). She first married Leslie BARDEN on 03 September 1938 in Wandsworth. She second married John Francis GADSBY in May 1976 in Streatham. She died on 16 April 1999 in March, Cambridgeshire.
1.4.8.2) William Arthur was born 14 February 1916. He married Eva Annie GOODY, nee GILBERT, 0n 23 September 1939. His wife was a widow, and she had a son from her first marriage to Basil Carruthers Goody - Michael Carruthers Goody. The son was adopted by William Arthur and changed his name to Michael John MOTT.
William Arthur joined the Territorial Army in 1938 and was 'called up' in 1939. He was drafted into the Kings Royal Rifles & Queen Victoria Rifles. He sailed on the 21st May 1940 on SS 'Canterbury' for Calais. He and others held the Fort there from 23 to 26 May before surrendering. He escaped and tried to fly an old Bleriot type plane home, but was recaptured and marched into Poland to Stalag camp. He escaped several times. Was liberated by the Russians and taken to Berlin. Escaped from there and walked to the American lines. Arrived home 30 June 1945. He died 13 May 1995 from a second stroke in Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead.
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Hi Rozee,
Well, you've got four pages of info to work through now, and I hope you find it interesting! It has taken me ages to sift out the information and type it out, but there is a little more on file which is up to date, and I cannot put it into print without first checking and getting clearance from people who are still alive.
On that note, if I can find living relatives who belong on this tree and are therefore related to you, would you be willing to exchange details with me/them? I would not expect to publish personal info on here, but you could do it by private message. You must understand that even if you are willing to exchange info with them, they may not be likeminded, in which case we go no further.
All the best,
Fred
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Legs 11 - I am a newbie. Just read your post. I am a decendant of Sarah Eliza Jane MOTT (GG Grandmother) Surprisingly enough she married John Mott no relation at all. I have quite a few details you may be interested in. I actually didn't have Jane and ? Sarah John on my chart. Just to confuse things I also have Moates in my family ! I would appreciate an exchange of info. Hopefully this thingo will post and you will get this........ :) Vonnie Marion
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Hi Vonnie,
Glad to have your message about the Mott's in your family tree. I have a vast collection of MOTT info, also for the other variant spellings (MOTE/MOAT/MOATE etc).
Not a Mott myself, and none in my tree - I married one!
I've been running a one name study on these names since 1980 and, as I said, have a vast collection, but I am always more than willing to receive more names to add to the files. As you may have gathered from my recent postings, I am also very willing to help others with anything I may have on file.
So, if you wouldn't mind allowing me knowledge of the MOTT/MOATE(S) in your tree, I would be most grateful.
Thankyou for posting your message - I look forward to your reply.
Fred
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Hi again,
Will try and put down what I have for you to add, but no doubt after some intensive study it will all be more definate. (I hope) This is how my Motts and Moates are connected.
Fred Moate b. abt 1870-80 m. Harriet Smith daughter of William John Smith - master mariner.
Harriet had 2 siblings - Gertrude and Ann Caroline b. 21 Feb 1856 London (my Great Grandmother)
Children of Fred & Harriet Moate - Adeline Dorothy b. 21 May 1900, Harry, Gertrude
Adeline Dorothy Moate married Edward Joseph Day ( her cousin) b. 5 July 1894
(Ann Caroline Smith married 24 Aug 1887 @ St Matthew's Church Guilford Western Australia, Aust. Charles John Day b. 6 Jun 1860 London.)
Children of Ann and Charles Day -
Edward Joseph (as above),
Francis Charles b.5 June 1892 Occupation Butcher. Served in WW1 Service no. 3678 married Belinda (Bella) Duckworth
Harriet Lily b.16 July 1889 d. 10 Jan 1972 Richmond Vic Aus. Married 21 July1915 Maylands Methodist Church WA Aust, Charles John Marion b. 8 Mar 1888 Millicent South Aust. Aus. d. 26 Oct 1953 Melb Vic Aus. Occupation Salvation Army officers.
Charles John Marion was the son of Charles Marion b. 9 Mar1842 Baltimore, Maryland USA d. 2 Mar1915 (Came to Aus 1859) and
Sarah Mott b. 29 Dec 1950 Essex UK d.1943 Millicent South Aust. Aus.
Sarah Mott was married twice. She was the daughter of John Mott b.1826 Essex UK d. 12 Oct 1892 Millicent South Australia Aus. (Labourer) and Sarah Eliza Jane Mott b. 1828 Essex UK d. 10 Jan 1900 (She was called Eliza by the family) : Note that Sarah Eliza Jane Mott had Mott as a maiden name but was not related to John. Sarah Eliza Jane Mott was married in 1848 in ? Kent UK They had 7 or 8 Children (see post by legs 11)
Sarah Mott married on 29 Mar 1870 @ South East SA. Nathaniel John (Nathan) Poole b. 29 Mar1849 Prospect SA. Aus d. 19 Sept 1877 Ovingham Adelaide SA. Occupation Stonemason. (Child of Richard Poole b. 1808 Cheltenham Gloucester UK and Hannah Elliotts b. 2 Apr 1818 Horsley GLS UK)
Sarah Mott and Nathaniel Poole had 4 children - Nathaniel John b. 1871 d. 1871 Sth East SA. Sarah Jane b. 1872 Millicent SA d. 11 Nov 1928 Millicent SA. Richard Henry b.1876 Millicent SA d. 1949. Eliza Hannah b.1874
Sarah Mott then married 25 Dec 1878 Millicent SA. Charles Marion (as above)
they had 6 Children. James Alexander b.1880, Lucy, Mary, Charles John, Lydia b. 1892, John Mott Marion b. 1895 Millicent SA d. 24 Apr 1918 Meteren France ( WW1) Service no 4640 Military medal.
I have decendants for most of these people. It all becomes a bit more complicated as Lucy and Mary Marion married 2 Poole brothers who were their second cousins....
Sorry this post is so long but I am not sure what is relevant and what is not at this stage. Cheers. VonnieM
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Thank you so much - I found my Motts on page 3 of all your Motts - Elizabeth White married William John Mott - Elizabeth was my grandmother's sister. I have worked out that they had at least 3 girls - Elizabeth E, Mary E E and Amelia J - gathered from Census. Elizabeth E married Reginald p Saunders and Mary E E married James E Batt. Really appreciated the information and have printed it out to put into my database - any more information would be appreciated especially about the descendents of Elizabeth and William John Mott
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and would also appreciate any information about the descendents of Mary E E Mott and James S Batt - they married in 1921 - the same year as Elizabeth Mott to Reginald Saunders. Thanks again - Rozee
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Hi Rozee,
Thanks for that. Just got back home late last night and found your message today.
Do you have any further info on the issue for William John - Elizabeth E., Mary E. E., and Amelia J. ?? William John died in the UK, but I cannot find any births for children of those names?
By the way, what is your answer to the proposal to introduce you to living relatives here in England? I have spoken to them and they are quite happy for me to pass on their details to you, but as I stated in my previous message, all parties have to agree.
If you are willing, can you let me have some means of contact - preferably an e-mail address - by way of the private message.
Fred
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Me again, Rozee!
Sorry, I cannot give you any further details about any female MOTT who marries - I do not keep any info on their issue, etc. Can you imagine the size of my files if I did!
Once they marry, that is the end of their record as they are obviously no longer a MOTT (unless they marry another MOTT).
Fred
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hi can anyone tell me the history and origins of the english motts please.
ive search the net but can not find anything on uk motts, my motts from 1821 were from norwich and thats as far as i ive got just can not get anything else in relation to the norfolk motts and how they came to norfolk area.
any help please would be great.
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I'm not too sure about the 'origin' of MOTTS - with an 's'- in England. My own assumption is that the name was originally MOTT - no 's'- and the name got altered possibly by way of mis-hearing - example :- "Mott's my name" meaning Mott IS, but taken to be MOTTS. I think that is a plausible explanation of it, but no doubt there are those who would differ with me?
I have families where the surname through the family has varied between having an 's' or not.
I assume that you have Mason as a surname, or in the family?? Interesting, particularly when I couple the name with MOTTS and Norwich/Norfolk. There was an Benjamin Motts who wed a Sarah MASON back in 1690 in Norwich - any connection?
Fred
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Hello Fred,
I'm doing a couple of amateur one-name studies (the very rare name LOCHTIE and the uncommon name MCCLAUSE and all its innumerable variants) so I know how we one-namers tend to range far and wide. So this might be of interest?
My great-grandparents were Henry BURKE and Maria RAFFERTY who came from near Claremorris in Co Mayo. One of their children was my Ggpa John George (George) BURKE. George's sister, Mary Ann BURKE b Ireland ca 1835 married a Maurice Edward DAVIES (from London) in the goldfields of Victoria, Australia in 1859; he later became a newsagent. Their children included Elizabeth Emily DAVIES, b 1872 in Richmond, Victoria Australia.
In 1902 in Victoria, Elizabeth married Melbourne Charnock Delamotte MOTT (b New South Wales ca 1859, died 1915 in Essendon, Victoria).
He was the son of George Henry MOTT and Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK. He had siblings, some with equally impressive names - Ada Emily MOTT; Fenelon De La Motte MOTT (Fenelon married a Maud Mary SMITH (!) and they had a Fenelon De La Motte MOTT and an Allegra Maud MOTT); Decimus Horace MOTT (Decimus married a Margaret MILLAR and they had George Horace MOTT); and Margaret Eveline MOTT (she married a Mr FALCONER). All of the siblings died in Victoria Australia - Ada Emily in 1950, Melbourne in 1915, Fenelon in 1932, Decimus in 1947, and Margaret in 1958.
I haven't followed up the Australian MOTT family but a Google for Charnock + Mott gets quite a few hits.
Regards,
JAP
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Hi Jap,
Good to hear from you. Thankyou for the info on the Mott family connections to your tree.
George Henry Mott migrated to Melbourne, Australia in June 1853. After some newspaper experience in Melbourne he moved to Albury, NSW, and established the 'Border Post' newspaper in 1856. He became Mayor of Albury in 1868.
He formed the North-Eastern Railway League which resulted in the completion of the Melbourne to Wodonga line and an eventual link with Albury.
In 1869 he returned to Victoria and bought a partnership in the 'Hamilton Spectator'. He then moved to Melbourne in 1885; became Managing Director of Gordon & Gotch Ltd (Newspaper & Magazine distributors) for 9 years before buying the 'Kew Mercury' which his son Walter (1864) had founded. He served on Kew Borough Council for four years, and died at Hamilton on 7th January 1906.
George Henry was the son of Isaac Henry Robert & Rebecca Ann (JACKSON), born circa 1831. I have a list of the children for George Henry & Allegra, but your Melbourne Charnock Delamotte does not figure in it, so thankyou for that piece of info, and his marriage.
Keep in touch,
Fred
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Just one thing puzzles me, Jap. The list of siblings of George Henry does not tie up with what I have listed here? Did these names come off the Google page, or did you get them from another source??
Fred
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There have been suggestions that the Mott family are connected to the Mort family. As a researcher for the Mort family I am not convinced that this is the case. This Mott family are of Norman heritage & came originally from Essex after coming over in a boat with William the conquerer. They are mentioned in a story on our web site (www.mortfamily.net) that explores the origins of the Mort name. Hope this is helpful.
PS: some De Mott's became Demott.........
Sheila
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Hi Sheila,
Not sure what is meant about 'connected' - married into? - derived from? I have never heard or read of the name 'Mort' in my research of Mott's around the world.
I am pretty certain that there are no persons of that name in my list of marriages.
As far as the origins of the name in England, it appeared (as far as I know at present) way back in the 13th century in Essex. There was, until fairly recently, a place not far from St. Lawrence in Essex called Mott's, and referred to a farm there. It was just off the crossroads between St. Lawrence and Steeple, on the road leading to St. Lawrence Bay. My information is that this farm was established in the 1200's.
You will possibly have read/heard that the Mott's (or De la Motte's) came over from France following the persecution of the Protestants
during Louis XIV (Edict of Nantes and all that stuff). Well maybe there were MOTT's or De la Motte's amongst them, but the name was here long before that.
You said 'This Mott family are of Norman heritage' - did you mean Mott or Mort ??
Fred
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Just one thing puzzles me, Jap. The list of siblings of George Henry does not tie up with what I have listed here? Did these names come off the Google page, or did you get them from another source??
Fred
Hi Fred,
Sorry I missed replying to the above message.
My information (which was incomplete) was sourced from the various Victorian BDM indexes. Herewith some references (includes more than was in my earlier reply but still incomplete) - all from Victorian BDM Indexes unless otherwise stated.
George Henry MOTT and Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK - names were deduced from the death index entries of their children.
*MOTT Allefra (sic), father Charmock (sic) Richd, mother Elizth CHARMOCK (sic), died age 74, Kew, 1905 #13049
*MOTT Geo Hy, father Mott Isaac Hy, mother Rebecca JACKSON, died age 74, Kew, 1906 #2114
*MOTT George Golden, father George , mother Haidee Allegra CHARNOCK, born Melb, 1854 #5916
*MOTT George Gordon De, father George Henry, mother Haidee Alleg Unknown, died Melb age 1, 1855 #1941
*MOTT Ada Emily, father George Henry, mother Haidee Allegra CHARNOCK, born Beechwort, 1856 #6345
*MOTT Ada Emily, father Geo Hy, mother Allegra CHARNOCK, died Sham age 94, 1950 #7190
*MOTT Melbourne C De L, father George H, mother Allegra H, born Albury NSW, 4088/1858 (from the online NSW BDM)
*MOTT Melbourne (born NSW) married DAVIES Emily Elizabeth (born Vic) 1902 #296
(MOTT Emily Elizabeth, father Davies Maurice Edw, mother Mary Ann BURKE, died age 79, Melbourne, 18 Jun 1951 #7173 - certificate now downloaded, Melbourne and Elizabeth had no children)
*MOTT Melbourne, died age 56, Essendon, 1915 #1280
*MOTT Sydney A C, father George H, mother Haidee A, born Albury NSW, 4290/1859 (from the online NSW BDM)
*MOTT Elizabeth F P, father George H, mother Haidee A, born Albury NSW, 4208/1861 (from the online NSW BDM)
*MOTT Arthur B, father George H, mother Allegra H, born Albury NSW, 4111/1862 (from the online BDM)
*MOTT Fenelon De La M, father George, mother Haidee A, #4320/1863 (from the online NSW BDM)
*MOTT Fenelon married Maud Mary SMITH (from children's death entries)
*MOTT Fenelon De La Motte born ca 1891 (from death entry)
*MOTT Fenelon De La Motte, died age 75, Sevi, 1966 #17779 (death entry is listed under all combinations of surname - MOTTE MOTT, DELAMOTTE MOTTE, LAMOTTE MOTT, DE LA MOTTE MOTT, MOTT; ditto father's name)
*MOTT Allegra Maude born ca 1895 (from death entry)
*MOTT Allegia Maude, father Fenelon de L, mother Maude SMITH, died age 75, Essendon, 1970 #2335
*MOTT Fenelam (sic) De La Motte (born Albury) married GRENFELL Martha, 1905 #6911
*MOTT Fenelon De La, father Mott Geo Hy, mother Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK, died age 68, Richmond, 1932 #3355
*MOTT (Female), father George H, mother Allyra H, born Albury,4710 /1865 (from the online NSW index)
*MOTT (Female), father George H, mother Atlegra H, died Albury, 2262/1865 (from the online NSW index)
*MOTT Walter Archibald Boyer, father George Henry, mother Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK, born Beec, 1864 #13366
*MOTT William C, father George H, mother Haidee A, Albury, 5122/1867 (from the online NSW index
*MOTT William (born Albu), father George , mother Allegra Unknown, died in Victoria, age 1, 1869 #2790
*MOTT Hamilton Charnoc, father George Henry, mother Allegea {sic} CHARNOCK, born Hami, 1871 #16628
*MOTT Hamilton Charnock (b Hton) m GRAVE Evelyn May, 1902 #4379
*MOTT Haidee Frances Leonard, father Hamilton Charnock, mother Evelyn May GRAVE, born Hawthorn, 1903 #11025
*MOTT Horace Decimus, father Geo Hy, mother Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK, born Hami, 1873 #9709
*MOTT Horace Decimus married Margaret Agnes MILLAR (from birth entry of son)
*MOTT Geo Horace, father Decimus Horace, mother Margt Agnes MILLAR, born Hawthorn, 1903 #11057
*MOTT George Horace, father Mott Decimus, mother Margaret MILLAR, died age 64, Heidelberg, 1968 #2151
*MOTT Decimus Horace, father Mott Geo Hy, mother Allegra Haidee CLAIROCH {sic}, died age 74, Melbourne, 1947 #11035
*MOTT Margaret Evelina, father George Henry, mother Alleynex {sic}Haidee CHARNOCK, born Hami, 1875 #23323
*FALCONER Margaret Evelina, father Mott George, mother Allegran Charnock, died age 84, St Kilda, 1958 #1268
Regards,
JAP
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Hi Fred:
I am not related to the Mott family and therefore have had no reason to get involved with any of your research. I am sure you will understand as a researcher yourself, that one gets very involved in the family name of interest and therefore has very little interest in any other surnames outside of this.
I am part of a large group of people (some of which are professional genealogist) who have managed to trace the Mort family back to the 12th century in Lancashire. We have recently been looking into the origins of our names and as one does with very thorough research, (leaving no stones unturned) we have looked at all the names that could have either derived from Mort or be a Derivation of Mort (such as Mortimer, Morton etc). We don't beleive in dismissing any association. I use the word connection very loosely because until something more definate has been proved (or not) I would not make any conclusive statements.
I came across the Mott name as I have been recently researching the Mort family crest/ coat of arms. Useful to do as the symbolism gives away interesting clues in family research.
Doing any word searches via the interenet, one will inevitably come across the Hereldry sites that sell you a family crest and even give you a scroll detailing the meaning of your surname. Should you do a look up in these sites, you will find that they state that the surname of 'Mort' came from or was associated with the names of Mott/ Motte/ De Mott and Demott. Don't kill the messanger please.
These sites also state that you are of Norman heritage as from 1066.
We personally do not believe that Mott and Mort are one and the same surname that somehow lost or gained a letter through the centuries. Like the Mott family, we have been told we were French in origin but have found the Mort name has been in England for a long time. As such I do not want to confuse anyone.It is the surname internet research sites who are stating that we are one and the same surname. See http://www.houseofnames.com/coatofarms_details.asp?sId=&s=Mort
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Thanks for the reply. I too am not a Mott - I just married one! Started the one-name study just over 25 years ago. Seemed like a good idea at the time - never thought that I would spend a quarter of a century doing it.
Don't know about the Mott's being of 'Norman Heritage'. When you think about it I guess every family in the land has foreign blood if you could go far enough back!!
Thanks again,
Fred
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Fred/tradelin,
I've made some changes/additions to my post above about George Henry MOTT and Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK, and their descendants.
My (1st cousin twice removed) Elizabeth Emily (or Emily Elizabeth) DAVIES and her husband Melbourne Charnock Delamotte MOTT did not have children (her death certificate, under issue, reads "Not any").
From searching the Web in the distant past, I had been aware that the MOTT family were newspaper proprietors.
An uncle of mine (no longer with us) had once said to my niece that there were relatives called MOTT who were newsagents in Essendon (that's how I found Melbourne Charnock Delamotte MOTT some years back and, with such wonderful names, how could I resist following Melbourne's family up further) - perhaps that's what Melbourne Charnock Delamotte did for a living, or perhaps it was a confusion with Elizabeth Emily (DAVIES) MOTT's father, Maurice Edward DAVIES, who was a Newsagent in Essendon (a suburb of Melbourne). Given that my Uncle was born in 1916, and Melbourne had died in 1915, that seems possible - though another possibility might be that the widowed Elizabeth Emily/Emily Elizabeth (DAVIES) MOTT ran her father's newsagency after her father's death in 1926; now that I've downloaded her death cert and have a specific date of death, I must look in the 1951 Melbourne newspapers for notices.
Are the Victorian MOTTs connected to your wife's MOTTs - or just a peripheral part of your one-name study.
Regards,
JAP
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Hi
I Googled and came upon #54 MSV where he mentions 34 Frances Street, Battersea.
I have a copy of my g.grandparents marriage certificate dated 28 Jan. 1900 and Daniel BROOKER gave his address as what looks like "34 Frances Street, Battersea".
I can't find this anywhere on a map.
Does anyone know where this address was/is?
Soreofhing in Mexico
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Hi Fred & Motts everywhere
Its been a while since anybody posted on this thread - I hope somebody is still reading it!!!
I wanted to add my Mott interests which appear to originate from the Bottisham area of Cambridgeshire. I would be very grateful if you could tell me if my research matches your own findings.
I'm pretty sure I have traced my family correctly as far back as James Mott born 1764 Kirtling, Cambs to William Mott and Catherine Sargent who married in Kirtling in 1761. I think that William must be the one born 1738 to Thomas and Sarah Mott. A Thomas Mott of Bottisham married a Sarah Nichols in Cambridge 1737 which all fits.
There is a baptism of a Thomas Mott to William and Elizabeth Mott 1706 Bottisham and if all the above is true I think the Motts can be traced back a couple of generations in Bottisham
Anyway, I would be interested in your thoughts and If you would like more details on this branch please let me know.
Lyla
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Hope someone still reads this site....
Asking for a Birth lookup on a Robert MOTT please.
I have a Robert MOTT b 1814 Suffolk marries Mary WEBB 1839 in Risbridge and
leaves for Australia with their young son Walter b 1844 Newmarket and daughter Rosetta who dies at sea.
Robert, Mary and Walter arrive in Adelaide June 1851 on "Reliance"
They have another daughter b 1855 and called her Rosetta, Margaret 1858, Emma 1858, Henry Nathan 1857, and Joseph 1860. all born in SA and then the children move to NSW and both Rosetta & Margaret marry into the CHANT family.
I am chasing information on Robert's parents as NSW BMD has a death for a Robert MOTT in 1876 showing a James Mott & Mary Ann nee ?? as parents.
regards
Bootzy - Australia
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Hi Bootzy
I have only come across one Robert Mott from Suffolk so far that might fit. He was tried with his cousin George Pulham for Arson in 1835 aged 20. George Pulham was executed but I do not know what happened to Robert Mott who was acquitted. You can see the story at this link.
http://www.geocities.com/foreman57uk/index-page12.html
My Motts were in Lidgate, Suffolk around that time although I haven't yet fitted the aforementioned Robert into my tree. I would be interested to know the details of your Robert's marriage to Mary Webb - maybe his father is listed and can be traced in the census - or there may be useful witnesses.
Let me know if you ever find any connection to Lidgate Suffolk, or further back to Kirtling and Bottisham Cambridgeshire.
Good luck in your research
Lyla
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Hi Bootzy
I have only come across one Robert Mott from Suffolk so far that might fit. He was tried with his cousin George Pulham for Arson in 1835 aged 20. George Pulham was executed but I do not know what happened to Robert Mott who was acquitted. You can see the story at this link.
http://www.geocities.com/foreman57uk/index-page12.html
My Motts were in Lidgate, Suffolk around that time although I haven't yet fitted the aforementioned Robert into my tree. I would be interested to know the details of your Robert's marriage to Mary Webb - maybe his father is listed and can be traced in the census - or there may be useful witnesses.
Let me know if you ever find any connection to Lidgate Suffolk, or further back to Kirtling and Bottisham Cambridgeshire.
Good luck in your research
Lyla
Hi Bootzy, Just read your entry concerning Robert Mott. I do not have a Robert who was confirmed to be born of Lidgate, although the guy Lyla mentions involved in the fire in 1835 may have been born there. However there were two Roberts born in Suffolk around the supposed birthyear of 1814/5. The first was born circa 1814 in Gorleston (on the east coast nr Gt Yarmouth) and the second at Cratfield. Unfortunately both places a long way from Lidgate. As suggested by Lyla, it is possible/probable that your Robert came from Cambridgeshire, across the border from Suffolk?
Fred
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Hi Fred & Motts everywhere
Its been a while since anybody posted on this thread - I hope somebody is still reading it!!!
I wanted to add my Mott interests which appear to originate from the Bottisham area of Cambridgeshire. I would be very grateful if you could tell me if my research matches your own findings.
I'm pretty sure I have traced my family correctly as far back as James Mott born 1764 Kirtling, Cambs to William Mott and Catherine Sargent who married in Kirtling in 1761. I think that William must be the one born 1738 to Thomas and Sarah Mott. A Thomas Mott of Bottisham married a Sarah Nichols in Cambridge 1737 which all fits.
There is a baptism of a Thomas Mott to William and Elizabeth Mott 1706 Bottisham and if all the above is true I think the Motts can be traced back a couple of generations in Bottisham
Anyway, I would be interested in your thoughts and If you would like more details on this branch please let me know.
Lyla
Hi Lyla, Yes I am afraid that I have to admit not visiting this site for a while, hence my late reply to your posting. Constantly busy with census rtns etc, plus going on holidays and visiting. What a life!! Regarding the info you gave, I have a James Mott born 1764 in Swaffham Prior, just north of Bottisham, parents unknown. He wed Ann Blinksops in 1785 in S.P. and had Anne in 1792 - no further info. I have on file the William 1738, s/o Thomas & Sarah, plus Thomas 1706, s/o William & Elizabeth. Two new pieces of info (to me) was the marriage of William to Catherine Sargent in 1761 and Thomas to Sarah Nichols in 1737, so many thanks for that. Yes I would like any other info you may have on this branch (or any other family) please.
Fred
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Hi Fred
Glad to have you back. I'm going to try to set out what I know, what I think I know and some guess-work in the hope that you might have some further information or can point out any errors.
I'm particularly stumped as I can't find a baptism of my ancestor Abraham Mott c1827 who always says he was born in Lidgate. I do know that he was the son of William Mott born 1789 Kirtling and Mary Everard who married in Lidgate in 1821. Their known children are Joseph c1822, Abraham c1827 (married 1 Ann Sharp, 2 Charlotte Suttle) James c1836 and Elizabeth c1840 (married John Marsh)
William 1789 is the son of James Mott 1764 Kirtling and Ann Coote who married in Kirtling 1788. James and Ann also had Samuel 1797 (married Elizabeth Paine) and Martha 1800 all Kirtling, Robert and Sophia 1811 Lidgate.
There is an interesting quarter session Easter 1791 of a James and Ann Mott of Burwell being fined for assault. I wondered if it was my James and Ann from Kirtling/Lidgate but it now seems likelier that it was the James and Ann you mentioned from Swaffam which is nearer to Burwell.
James 1764 Kirtling was the son of William Mott 1738 and Catherine Sargent of Dullingham who married in Kirtling 1761. Their other children I beleive were James 1764, David 1767, Elizabeth 1769, Amos 1771 and Catherine 1774. Catherine 1774 was baptised the same day her mother was buried. Willam remarried Alice Ginn in 1774 and they had John c1776.
The rest is just guessing but I think that William 1738 must be the one baptised to Thomas and Sarah Mott in Bottisham. I think this could be the Thomas Mott who married Sarah Nicholl in 1737 Cambridge and so Thomas could be the one born to William and Elizabeth Mott in Bottisham 1706.
I would be grateful for any other information you might have and please let me know if there is anything more you would like to know about the people I have mentioned.
Regards
Lyla
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Hi Bootzy
In my notes I just found that in 1841 Lidgate there was a Robert Mott aged 30 and wife Mary aged 30. I wonder if this might be your Robert? It seems quite likely as Lidgate was near the Risbridge registration district (actually its in the Newmarket district but still very close). You can see all the places in Risbridge at this link.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/RegDists.html
It would be well worth obtaining the 1839 marriage certificate to see what it says. A Robert was baptised in Lidgate in 1811 to James and Ann and could therefore tie in with my family mentioned below. He may even be the same Robert of the arson trial!
Let me know if you can make a connection.
Lyla
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Hi Fred
Glad to have you back. I'm going to try to set out what I know, what I think I know and some guess-work in the hope that you might have some further information or can point out any errors.
I'm particularly stumped as I can't find a baptism of my ancestor Abraham Mott c1827 who always says he was born in Lidgate. I do know that he was the son of William Mott born 1789 Kirtling and Mary Everard who married in Lidgate in 1821. Their known children are Joseph c1822, Abraham c1827 (married 1 Ann Sharp, 2 Charlotte Suttle) James c1836 and Elizabeth c1840 (married John Marsh)
William 1789 is the son of James Mott 1764 Kirtling and Ann Coote who married in Kirtling 1788. James and Ann also had Samuel 1797 (married Elizabeth Paine) and Martha 1800 all Kirtling, Robert and Sophia 1811 Lidgate.
There is an interesting quarter session Easter 1791 of a James and Ann Mott of Burwell being fined for assault. I wondered if it was my James and Ann from Kirtling/Lidgate but it now seems likelier that it was the James and Ann you mentioned from Swaffam which is nearer to Burwell.
James 1764 Kirtling was the son of William Mott 1738 and Catherine Sargent of Dullingham who married in Kirtling 1761. Their other children I beleive were James 1764, David 1767, Elizabeth 1769, Amos 1771 and Catherine 1774. Catherine 1774 was baptised the same day her mother was buried. Willam remarried Alice Ginn in 1774 and they had John c1776.
The rest is just guessing but I think that William 1738 must be the one baptised to Thomas and Sarah Mott in Bottisham. I think this could be the Thomas Mott who married Sarah Nicholl in 1737 Cambridge and so Thomas could be the one born to William and Elizabeth Mott in Bottisham 1706.
I would be grateful for any other information you might have and please let me know if there is anything more you would like to know about the people I have mentioned.
Regards
Lyla
Hi Lyla,
Well you gave me something to think about there! As things are at present I also am unable to produce a baptism for Abraham ca 1826/7. I was aware of his parentage, but currently have William down for a birth year circa 1795 - in the 1841 census he gave his age as 45 and his wife as 40, their address being "The Hall, Lidgate". May I ask where the year you quote for William - 1789 - came from?
In the list of issue for William & Mary you showa James b. 1835. I believe there were two James' the first born 1832?
You gave me two marriages for Abraham 1827 and I was only aware of one, so many thanks for that, plus I only knew the forename of his wife to be Charlotte. The two marriages solves the mystery of the age gap between the children - Joseph aged 10 then Harriet,4, and Samuel 2. His first wife Ann died 1855 March qtr 4a.306 Risbridge. In Kelly's 1860 Middlesex Abraham was a "Marine Store Dealer" and living at Acre Road, Richmond Road, Kingston.
You then gave me the marriage for Elizabeth ca 1840 to John Marsh, information that was new to me - thanks again.
I have the baptism for William 1789 (26 July 1789 Kirtling), but I have a variation for his mothers' maiden name. You show COOTE, but I have COATS. Likewise, you show the father James as being born ca 1764, whereas I have 1749? My info came from another Mott researcher so I can't swear to which is right. At present I do not have this William being the same guy as in the first paragraph above. In the National Burial Index there is a burial recorded for a William on 10th December 1868 at St. Mary, Lidgate, "aged 79 years." I wonder if this is the same William?
As for the siblings of William, we differ on the date for Samuel - 1797 or 1791? The siblings I have listed are:- Samuel(1791);David(1793);James(1795);Sally(1795); John(1797);Martha(1800);James(1803).
I have eight children listed from the marriage of Samuel to Elizabeth Pain. Do you agree with this?
You say you believe that William 1738, father of James 1764 (1749), must be the one born Bottisham. I would agree with that. Bottisham, Dullingham and Lidgate are all in the same area, and I don't see another William on the database to match. I further agree that William's father Thomas is the one who wed Sarah Nicholl, and possibly the son of William & Elizabeth. However, you have 1706 for his birth, I say 1716? I arrived at 1716 by deducting 21 years from the marriage date (1737).
That's about it for this session - enough for you to mull over? Let me know what you think about the differences we have in dates.
Got a lot of catching up to do here. I am trying to work my way through the database together with the census rtns, especially since the 1911 census came out. I have 28,643 names in the database, plus many more not yet inputted, and it's going to take me forever to get it done, but it keeps me out of the pub and away from the TV!!
By the way, I was going to tell Bootzy about the 1841 census with Robert and Mary but you beat me to it.
Take care,
Fred
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Wow, thanks for all that info - its great to find somebody interested in the same family as me once in a while! In answer to your questions:
William and Mary:
My mum made a note from the parish register in Kirtling Cambs of William Mott 26/7/1789 to James and Ann Mott. I don't have a copy but I think it may have listed Ann's maiden name as being Coote (something I will have to check for myself - maybe it says Coats). William died in Lidgate 2/12/1868 aged 79 so I think the 1841 is incorrect. In 1861 he was aged 70.
The James born 1836 is from the IGI but I think he married an Ann Steadman from Crayford Kent. He is in Lambeth in 1881, I couldnt find him in 1891 but his wife is a widow by 1901 in Hendon. They don't appear to have had any children.
I have that Abraham had 2 children with his first wife Ann Sharp. Joseph c1851 who died aged 13 15/6/1864 Lidgate and George c1853 who seems to have been raised by his grandparents Jonathan and Harriet Sharp.
Abraham and Charlotte had the following children in Lidgate:
Amelia Harriet (2 yrs) 17/10/1858, Samuel (my ancestor) 17/10/1858, Ann 1/9/1861, Elizth (2yrs) and Joseph 29/2/1867 and Alice 24/4/1870. Some time between 1871 and 1881 they moved to Fulham. Your reference to him being a Marine Store Dealer in 1860 seems unlikely because in 1861 he was still a shepherd in Suffolk. Abraham died 4/8/1889 Fulham aged 61
Elizabeth c1840 seems to have married John Marsh Mar 1866. In the 1871 census there is a mother-in-law Mary Marsh with them. I beleive this is really Mary Mott, Williams widow.
James and Ann Mott:
James Mott died in Lidgate 15/5/1839 aged 70 which puts his birth around 1769 which fits better with the baptism in Kirtling 16/9/1764 to William and Katherine and the marriage in Kirtling 18/11/1788 to Ann Coote (I could be wrong though). Also, the Kirtling children I have found William 1789, Samuel 1791 (you were right I mis-typed it before) and Martha 1800 all fit with a subsequent move to Lidgate and two futher children baptised 12/7/1811 Sophia and Robert. I didnt know about the other children so thanks for that - were they baptised in Kirtling?
I don't know anything more about Samuel and Elizabeth Pain. Somewhere I have a tree given to me by another researcher but at present I can't lay my hands on the details.
I'm not sure now where the Thomas birth in 1706 came from so until I have had a chance to decipher all my notes properly I am going to leave it there for now.
My ancestor Samuel Mott was born 17/10/1858 Lidgate and married Ada Jane Gibson in Chelsea 7/7/1878. He died in Poplar aged 80 on 16/2/1937.
Please keep in touch with anything you find regarding this Mott branch.
Regards
Lyla
Lyla
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Thanks for all the update. Quite a lot for me to peruse, but as it getting a bit late I'm going to leave it till the morrow. I've had a busy day out in the garden today and yesterday, so I've promised myself all day tomorrow and Friday to be on the computer working on these Mott's (and the variations).
Will go thru what you've sent and will be in touch shortly.
Many thanks again,
Fred
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Thanks for all the update. Quite a lot for me to peruse, but as it getting a bit late I'm going to leave it till the morrow. I've had a busy day out in the garden today and yesterday, so I've promised myself all day tomorrow and Friday to be on the computer working on these Mott's (and the variations).
Will go thru what you've sent and will be in touch shortly.
Many thanks again,
Fred
Saturday 11th and I think I have completed my task. I spent most of Thursday and Friday going thru my database, checking census rtns and cross checking your info against mine and I hope you wil find something useful here. It is going to be a long message, so I might split it into divisions.
William 1789.
Based on what your mum noted from the Parish Records, this leaves the question - did William lie about his and his wifes' ages in the 1841 census, or was that William a completely different person? If I treat my William 1795 as being a different person to William 1789 then the whole family listed in the census does not belong on your tree. However, if you study the list of children in that census you will see that they all match exactly the list of issue you have for William 1789. Based on this it is fairly obvious that the two Williams are the same person, and the ages given were totally incorrect.
It is not unknown for incorrect ages/places of birth to be given in census rtns, as you may have found out? Sometimes it is the householder at fault, sometimes the transcriber. Take it all with a pinch of salt, that's my motto! See more examples below.
James 1835.
Son of William & Mary (EVERARD). I have only one 'James' in the database shown for Lidgate. You suggest that James possibly wed Ann Steadman from Kent. I do not have this info and cannot find a marriage for him in my marriage registers. Do you have any further info on this? I have found a marriage for an Ann Steadman in 1860 December qtr 3b.256 Newmarket, but there is no corresponding marriage under Mott. I also have a problem with tracing them in the census - you say James was in Lambeth in 1881, not found in 1891, and his wife was a widow in in Hendon in 1901. According to the version of the 1881 census from 'findmypast' there is no James to match (not that I could find, anyway) nor could I find Ann Mott in Hendon in 1901?
George ca 1853.
George's birth registration is 1854 March qtr 4a.349 Risbridge, possibly born December 1853? Strange he was living with his grandparents Sharp in both 1861 & 1871 censuses. He 'disappears' after that, not found in any census. No death found yet, tried the GRO, military records & emigration.
George's family were in Bury Lane in 1861 - his father Abraham's name was written Abram and transcribed as 'Brown' !! - and living in Wickhambrook Road in 1871, but minus Abraham. Looked to see if I could find Abraham elsewhere and came across one who almost fitted. In Calford there was an "Abraham, lodger, married, born Lidgate, shepherd, aged 28 years." This guy ticked all the right boxes except for his age - 28 not 45. Abraham reappears in Fulham in 1881 aged 53.
I concede that the Abraham in the Kelly's Middlesex 1860 "Marine Store Dealer" is a different person altogether, but I've no idea yet as to who he was (where from).
Abraham 1826.
You show his first born to be named Amelia Harriet - I have just Harriet. Can you enlighten me?
Elizabeth ca 1840.
Her birth registered 1839 December qtr 14.95 Newmarket. She wed 1866 March qtr 3b.639 Newmarket. Her future husband John Marsh was shown in the 1861 census to be living at the house of George Mott (1838), together with his mother Mary Marsh and siblings. George 1838 was a son of Samuel 1791 & Elizabeth Pain.
End of page one!! One more to come.
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Hi Lyla,
Further to page one I typed out page two but I'm not sure that it went??
Can you let me know if you get it please, otherwise I'll have to type it all out again !! :-X
I'm away for the weekend so will be in touch next week.
Fred
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Oh no what a shame - I wonder what happened to page 2? What a nuisance!
I will get back to you as soon as I have had a chance to digest all this information. Have a great weekend
Lyla
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Hi Fred
This is a good exercise for me as at long last I am prompted to sort out my jumble of notes on the Mott family!
William 1789.
I'm pretty certain there was only one William and that the 1841 census was
wrong - I have found this happened a lot.
The 1851 census for Lidgate is unfortunately destroyed but in 1861 Lidgate
he is aged 70 (born Kirtling), Mary is 60 and daughter Elizabeth is 20.
William died Lidgate 1868 aged 79 registered by Charlotte Mott (presumably
Abrahams wife).
James 1835.
I havent got access to Ancestry anymore and I only have a few notes and
guesses as he is not a direct ancestor. In 1881 I think he is transcribed as Moss so he may also have been mistranscribed in the other censuses. My notes are as follows:
1861 Plumstead Kent age 24 Beer Filler born Lydgate with wife Ann 23 born
Crayford.
1871 Battersea aged 34 Cab proprietor born Lydgate with wife Ann 38 born
Crayford and mother-in-law Sarah Steadman age 77 born Erith
1881 Lambeth aged 44 cab driver Lydgate with wife Ann 43 born Crayford
1891 not found
1901 Oak Grove, Hendon Ann A Mott 63 widow born Crayford
I never found a marriage but since his mother-in-law was present in 1871 it
seems a good guess
George ca 1853.
I couldn't find George after 1871 either.
Abraham ca 1826.
I think the Abraham in Culford in 1871 is definately the right Abraham. He is listed as a shepherd. In Lidgate his wife Charlotte is listed as a shepherds wife. My theory is that when they asked his age he said 28 meaning he was born in 1828! I have a copy of the 1858 Lidgate baptism for Samuel son of Abraham and Charlotte. On the same day they baptised a daughter Amelia Harriet aged 2. I guess she must have been known by her middle name.
Lyla
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Hi Lyla,
Well here goes for page two - ley's hope it gets thru this time!
James ca 1769/1764/1749.
In your first message on Monday 6th you stated that James Mott 1764 wed Ann Coote in Kirtling in 1788. My database showed they wed 18 November 1770 - small query on her surname. At the time ofmaking the entry I did wonder at the long gap before any children, and your 1788 makes more sense. Again I got the marriage info from another Mott researcher.
The extra children I gave you were baptised in Kirtling - names and dates are:-
David 12.5.1793; James 22.3.1795; John 22.1.1797; James 12.6.1803.
Based on the above I can discount 1749 as his birthyear. Following the date/age of James in 1839 aged 70 gave me 1769, which as you say fits better with the 1764 baptism, so we can agree on that. However I am rather surprised that I do not have on record the marriage of William 1738 to Catherine Sargent.
William 1738.
I have on file that William baptised 23 September 1738 Bottisham, son of Thomas & Sarah (NICHOLL), who you guessed might be the same person wed to Catherine Sargent.
I had followed my normal procedure for assuming birthyears, which is to deduct 21 years (age at marriage) from the year of marriage, which in this case gives me 1716 as assumed birthyear, but with a query on the possibility of the Thomas in 1706. This, if correct, takes your tree back to William 1672.
Samuel 1791.
Son of James 1764 & Ann (COOTE/COATS). Baptised 16 January 1791. Wed Elizabeth Pain 11 November 1815. Had issue:- (all Lidgate)
George born 31.5.1816. Baptised 05.6.1816. Buried 09.6.1816.
Harriot (sic) Baptised 16.8.1818. 1841 census "Agted 21 years. Single."
Rhoda Baptised 10.6.1821. 1841 census "Aged 20 years. Single."
Charlotte Baptised 06.6.1824. Buried 01.11.1853. 1841 census "Aged 15"
Thomas Baptised 28.9.1827. Buried 07.9.1828.
Maria ca 1829. No baptism found.Buried 21.7.1844 "Aged 15 years."
Ellen Baptised 15.4.1832. Wed John Moss 07.6.1854 (3b.790 Newmarket)
George ca 1838. No baptism found. Wed Lucy Brown 1860 Sept qtr
Had issue :-
Stephen 1861. Baptised 07.7.1861. 1881 census "Aged 19 years. Coal miner." Address - 28 Ashwood Road, Rawmarsh, Yorkshire.
1) Stephen wed (unknown) 1884 March qtr 9c.695 Rotheram & had issue:-
John 1887 Not in GRO - 1901 census "Aged 14 yrs. Coal miner driver."
George 1890 June qtr 9c.143 Hemsworth. 1901 census "Aged 11 years."
Annie 1892 Not in GRO - 1901 census "Aged 9 yrs. Born Hemsworth."
Alice 1894 June qtr 9c.161 Hemsworth 1901 census "Aged 6 yrs."
Addrerss for family - Town Street, Hemsworth.
1911 census Stephen "Aged 49 years. Coal miner. Widower." Address - 10 West Street, Hemsworth.
2) Elizabeth 1863. Baptised 07.7.1863. Died 1865 Sept qtr 3b.345 Newmarket
3) Elizabeth 1866. Baptised 05.8.1866.
4) Charlotte Ann 1868. No baptism found. 1881 census "Aged 12 years. Domestic servant."
5) Emma 1872 June qtr 3b.503 Chesterton. 1881 census "Aged 9 yrs."
6) Thomas 1875 Dec qtr 9c.585 Sheffield. 1881 census "Aged 5 yrs."
7) Lucy Ann 1880 March qtr 9c.582 Sheffield. Died 1881 June qtr June qtr 9c.358.
George 1838 died 1883 June qtr 9c.88 Hemsworth "Aged 44 yrs."
Well I think that is all so far. I think the reason for the 2nd page not going was that I had exceeded the limit of 5500 digits !! Hope that it reaches you this time.
Enjoy!
Fred
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Hallo again Lyla.
I've done a bit more digging and found out a little more info for you.
Stephen 1861, s/o George 1838 & Lucy. He married Sarah Elizabeth LEES in 1884.
His first born John was in fact John Thomas 1887. The transcriber had put his middle initial as 'Jw', but when I looked at it carefully I could see that it was actually 'Thos'.
Strangely enough, in the 1891 census Stephen has put his place of birth as Hanley, Staffordshire, and not Bottisham. I know it is the same person, so what he was thinking of I just can't fathom !!
Fred
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No stopping me now, Lyla!!
That John Thomas 1887 - is actually 1886 Sept qtr 9c.652 Rotheram. 1891 census "Aged 5 years." Address - High Field, Hemsworth.
Fred
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Well done Fred - you seem to be on a roll. I'm glad we are in agreement about the Motts we have discussed. It's good to know we are on the right track.
I think it's possible that Thomas who married Sarah Nicholl could be the one born 1706. I have pencilled it in as maybe but will leave it there for now. I wondered if perhaps it was a second marriage which would explain him being older. I see on the IGI there is a Thomas Mott marrying Frances Aves in Dullingham 1729 which would fit better with Thomas born 1706. Do you know anything about him?
My next step is to try and persuade mum that she needs to use her free bus pass and take a trip to the records office. At the moment a lot of what we have is just scribbled notes taken from the parish records but now I'd like to get hold of the actual photocopies to make certain.
I will be in touch if we find anything
Lyla
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ks for the reply Lyla.
Have a few more bits for you from the census -
Stephen 1861
1871 census "Aged 10 years." Address - Frog End, Great Wilbraham.
1901 census "Aged 40 years." Address - Town Street, Hemsworth.
Elizabeth 1866
1871 census "Aged 4 years." Address - Frog End (as above).
1881 census "Aged 14 years." Address - 28 Ashwood Road, Rawmarsh.
Charlotte Ann 1868
1871 census "Aged 2 years." Address - Frog End (as above)
Lucy Ann 1880
1881 census "Aged 1 year." Address - 28 Ashwood Road, Rawmarsh
I have an addition for you for the family of Stephen &Sarah Elizabeth
Lucy Ann 1884 September qtr 9c.152 Hemsworth
1891 census "Aged 7 years." Address - High Field, Hemsworth
1901 census "Aged 16 years. Housemaid (Domestic).
Address - 205 Brookhill, Nether Hallam, Sheffield.
That's it for now. Good luck with getting mum on the buses!!
G'night,
Fred
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Hi Lyla.
How are you getting on with sorting out the info? Hope you are finding the time - I know it can take a long time, particularly if there are conflicting dates, etc.
To add to the store of info so far sent, I have a little more (did I hear a groan then?). Lucy Mott, nee Brown, reamarried to a GEORGE FOX after hubby George 1838 passed away in 1883. The marriage details are - 1884 December qtr 9c.229 Hemsworth.
In the 1891 census she is "Aged 55 years." address - High Field, Hemsworth. Her son Thomas Mott (1875) is with her "Aged 15 years. Pony driver in pit." Her daughter Emma (1872) is also there "Aged 20 years. Married." Her husband was Robert Humphrey/Humpherys (Humphrey in the marriage register, Humpherys in the census). Emma & Robert married in 1890 December qtr 9c.250 Hemsworth.
Her son Thomas (1875) married an Emma 1897 September qtr 9c.193 Hemsworth. He was father to Albert (1898) and Ernest (1901). In the 1901 census Thomas was "Aged 25 years. Coal hewer." Address - West Street, Hemsworth. His wife was "Aged 28 years."
I'm thinking that the cemetery in Hemsworth must be full of information about these Mott's, likewise Lidgate. Don't know where you live but one of them might be worth a visit? I'm not all that far from Lidgate area so maybe one day when I'm trying to think of something to do I might wander down that way !!
Take care,
Fred
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Hi Fred
To be honest there's not much more I can do without delving into the parish registers. I'm hoping mum will fancy a day-trip sometime soon! I'm only really interested in following my direct ancestors (Abraham and Charlotte Mott) although its always good to keep note of the other twigs so thanks for the information.
Do you know anything about the Thomas Mott who married Frances Aves in Dullingham in 1729? I'm thinking he might be the Thomas born 1706 rather than the one who married Sarah Nicholl in 1737? There is also a marriage in Gt Wilbraham 1696 of a Thomas Mott to Sarah Benstead that can't be ruled out.
I will do some more digging and let you know if and when I find something else.
Lyla
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Hallo again.
No, sorry, I don't have any info on those marriages - they are not in my database.
I am hoping to get hold of the microfiche for Cambridgeshire & Suffolk, but going on their sites doesn't give me much hope that they will have anything for the areas we are interested in. Suffolk in particular do not seem to have very much to offer.
I haven't asked before, but are you a Mott, or was your mother a Mott before marriage?
Fred
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Hi Fred
My grandmother on my mother's side was a Mott.
Will be in touch
Lyla
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Hello I am new at this I suspect I will have done this wrong but here goes anyway!
I am trying to trace information about my gg grandfather Henry (Harry) Mott. He was born in Kings Lynn (or Lynn) Norfolk on 31/10/1853 (we think). His father was also Henry (Harry) Mott and mother Mary Sugden. Harry snr was a Master Mariner according to Harry Jnrs death certificate (10/3/1932).
Harry Jnr came to Australia but we are not able to find out when - it was sometime before 1876 when he married Anna Maria Stanley (d 1881) in Warwick, Queensland. Harry was a Town Clerk in the Clifton shire from 1883 to 1918.
Harry and Anna Maria had 3 children
Gilbert Henry Mott (b 1877) my g grandfather
Sydney Charles (b 1879)
Annie (b 1881, d 1883)
I cannot find any record of Harry and his family in England in census or BDM so any information anyone may have would be a great help! Thx :)
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Thank you for your reply TRADELIN. Apparently I cannot reply direct to you yet as i am a newbie! I appreciate you going to the trouble of going through all your data. I am afraid Harry is a mystery! I was aware the Sugdens came from Yokshire - I did find a Mary Ann Louisa Sugden born in Bury St Edmunds and thought that was a possibilty but of course can find nothing more about her either. The information about parents is on both his marriage certificates and his death certificate - it is odd. Anyway thanks again for replying and maybe one day we will get to the bottom of it!
Marden
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hi, I am having trouble confirming alot of my information on my mott family before they emigrated to South Australia, i am hoping someone will be able to help me...any information will be very helpful!
David Mott b. abt 1767 d. 7th March1813 East Hanningfield, Essex m. Martha ? about 1788
Their children were - 1. Joseph b. 5th Feb 1796 d. 5th Nov 1863 2. Ann b. 22nd November 1797 3. Maria b. 29th June 1800 4. James b. 20th Nov 1801 5. William b. 5th April 1807 6. John b. June 1809 7. Charlotte b. 19th July 1811
This is all the information I can find on these people and Im not too sure its correct?
Also Joseph Mott (son of David)
He married Mary Ann Dudley on the 20th May 1817 - East Hanningfield, Essex
Emigrated to South Australia on the Rasjathan Dep. London 27th Oct 1839 – Arr. Port Adelaide 6th Feb 1840
I have been told that Mary gave birth to a child who died on the voyage but I cant find any information on it..
Their Children –
1. Hannah Mott
Born – 1816 - East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 30th October 1903 – Macclesfield, South Australia
2. Joseph Mott
Born – 1822 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 29th February 1908 – Hamilton, Victoria, Australia
3. David Mott
Born – 1823 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 16th July 1908 - Macclesfield, South Australia
4. William Mott
Born – 1824 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 10th August 1906 – Bordertown, South Australia
5. Amos Mott
Born – 11th May 1828 - East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 14th March 1906 – Bordertown, South Australia
6. Martha Mott
Born – 1830 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 30th October 1907 – Echunga, South Australia
7. Ann Mott
Born – 16th July 1832 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 28th April 1920 – Milang, South Australia
8. James Mott
Born – 10th June 1834 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 9th January 1913 – Macclesfield, South Australia
9. Pleasant Mott
Born – 19th December 1836 – East Hanningfield, Essex, England
Died – 29th September 1869 – West Terrace, South Australia
Anyone who may have any information to share about this Mott family I would be eternally gratefull!! I hope someone can help!
Thanks
Carol
P.S Sorry this is long, i posted all info I had so no one had to waste their time posting stuff I already knew!
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Hi Carol - I am afraid I can't help with your Australian connection. I know there are Motts in Queensland, and Western Australia - i am related to the/a Queensland arm which all stem from Harry Mott. It really is frustrating isn't it?
Marden08
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Thanks for your reply, thats ok, just made the post incase someone out there can help, you never know, i have had alot of help from people who just mentioned a family member being a distant relative on their websites.
You always have to ask or you wont get any answers!
I will have more information after my grandfather and I go on our family history road trip early next year to South Australia, its going to be amazing!
Thanks again for your reply, I appreciate it...
Regards carol
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Hi Carol,
I'm working on sending you a reply to your query. It will be fairly long but I'll try to be as quick as I can. Actually started the reply last evening, got to the stage where it was getting late so decided to save the work and restart today. Trouble is I now cannot find the "saved" work, so must start again !!
Tradelin - aka mottman.
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Hi Jap, Can't remember if i have contacted you before! My husbands ggparents were maurice Davies and Mary Anne Burke. We are trying to find their family in Australia and wondered if you can help please. George Davies was my hubbys gfather. he moved to NZ in late 1800s.
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Hi Carol,
Just exploring Motts in England and came across your post. RootsChat unfamiliar to me so excuse any protocol errors. Only started on this line two weeks ago but I had gathered various bits and pieces over the years while tracing my parents ancestry. I am married to 6th generation from David Mott.
David, Joseph, Amos, George, George (Bert), Colin, Michael.
Haven't much in England, but I have lots of Australian information to share.
Kindest regards
Bermagui Lyn
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I would love anything you have, and i would love to share what i have, i recently was sent alot of information from a man who reasearched for the mott family reunion, alot of information there including a list of names for entire mott line right down to me! I would be happy to send you these, also mottman on here has been a great help! I also have some very interesting newspaper articles..
my email is (*) send me an email and i will send them to you.
Thanks for your reply and I will look forward to hearing from you!
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oops sorry! I forgot! :(
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I really hope someone maybe able to help me. I am searching for any information on Motts in Salford. I know that Joseph Mott was born in Salford on 25/6/1911. His parents are Sarah Mott (born Sullivan) and either a William Mott or Joseph Mott was his father.
It's a long shot I know but if anybody has any information on these Motts it would be great to find this out.
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I really hope someone maybe able to help me. I am searching for any information on Motts in Salford. I know that Joseph Mott was born in Salford on 25/6/1911. His parents are Sarah Mott (born Sullivan) and either a William Mott or Joseph Mott was his father.
It's a long shot I know but if anybody has any information on these Motts it would be great to find this out.
Just had a quick look on Lancs BMD (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk)and Sarah Sullivan married Joseph Mott in 1899.Have sent you a personal message as there is a number of locals researching the family in Manchester/Salford
Dave
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Just had a quick look on Lancs BMD (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk)and Sarah Sullivan married Joseph Mott in 1899.Have sent you a personal message as there is a number of locals researching the family in Manchester/Salford
Dave
That's fantastic. I have seen your PM but couldn't work out how to reply to it! Thanks for the information you have already given. I am amazed I got a response. Thanks
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That's fantastic. I have seen your PM but couldn't work out how to reply to it! Thanks for the information you have already given. I am amazed I got a response. Thanks
At work just now so don't have access to all my files. However what I need to find out is just how much do you want to know? Are you keen to find out for yourself and just need pointing in the correct direction or do you want the family tree?
Dave
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Hi all
I have just recently come across this posting and had a quick read.
I am in the process of filling in the gaps of our family tree.
My 3rd Great grandfather Joseph Reynolds (1792 corringham, ESS - 1861 Eastry, KEN) married a Caroline Mott (abt 1801, Woodnesborough, KEN - 1854, Eastry, KEN) on 14 April 1820, Woodnesborough, KEN.
This all I know about her. Is anyone able to help? From what I have quickly read could this be another line?
Any way they had 8 children from where I have decended.
Many thanks
John
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Hi to all the Mott descendants
I am keen to know more about the Australian Motts & their English predecessors
I am a direct descendant of David Mott, Joseph who married Mary Dudley & came to Australia in 1839, William Mott, Walter Mott, Sydney Mott, Ellen Young (nee Mott), Patricia Hall (nee Young), then me
Crazy thing is I am also a direct descendant from Amos Mott (William's brother) as Amos's daughter Ellen Mott married Walter Mott (they were first cousins)
Cheers
Paul
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Hi,
I have read through all the MOTT messages and would very much like to know whether you or anyone has a Thomas MOTT who married Ann COOK. The only info I have is that Ann COOK was born in Wymondham, Norfolk, (UK) in 1790 and christened 14 March 1790. She appears (as MOTT) on the 1851 census at Norwich, Norfolk, aged 52 a widow.
I know this is very little info, but hopefully someone can fill in gaps............
Regards,
Margaret103
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I have many MOTTS in my tree in Essex and Australia. I am needing help with trying to find the parents of Charles Mott who married Charlotte Porter (from Wrabness) in 1853. Does anyone know this Charle's parents names please.
Pat Mott
Australia
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Fred/tradelin,
I've made some changes/additions to my post above about George Henry MOTT and Allegra Haidee CHARNOCK, and their descendants.
My (1st cousin twice removed) Elizabeth Emily (or Emily Elizabeth) DAVIES and her husband Melbourne Charnock Delamotte MOTT did not have children (her death certificate, under issue, reads "Not any").
From searching the Web in the distant past, I had been aware that the MOTT family were newspaper proprietors
An uncle of mine (no longer with us) had once said to my niece that there were relatives called MOTT who were newsagents in Essendon (that's how I found Melbourne Charnock Delamotte MOTT some years back and, with such wonderful names, how could I resist following Melbourne's family up further) - perhaps that's what Melbourne Charnock Delamotte did for a living, or perhaps it was a confusion with Elizabeth Emily (DAVIES) MOTT's father, Maurice Edward DAVIES, who was a Newsagent in Essendon (a suburb of Melbourne). Given that my Uncle was born in 1916, and Melbourne had died in 1915, that seems possible - though another possibility might be that the widowed Elizabeth Emily/Emily Elizabeth (DAVIES) MOTT ran her father's newsagency after her father's death in 1926; now that I've downloaded her death cert and have a specific date of death, I must look in the 1951 Melbourne newspapers for notices.
Are the Victorian MOTTs connected to your wife's MOTTs - or just a peripheral part of your one-name study.
Regards,
JAP
I am new to this and spotted my great great grandfather's name Maurice Edward Davies. His son Maurice Howard Davies became a successful businessman in Newcastle NSW and apparently died before his father in 1917. Maurice Edward's grandson George was killed in 1918 in ww1.
RolandDavies
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Hi Fred
It is years now since I had contact with. You were so helpful with my Mott line in Essex. I come from the John Mott/Elizabeth Dines marriage in Writtle/Chelmsford 1779. Have you ever been able to find out more about both of their parents. I have John Mott's parents as George Mott and Susanna ??? and go back to George Mott and Susannah paveley with very little information. Would love to find out more about them.
Kind regards
Pat Mott Australia
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Sorry, I am not Fred, and I might have led you astray by including the post from Jap which took my interest. My great great grandfather (Maurice Edward Davies) married Mary Ann Burke. I think it was his sister Elizabeth Emily Davies who married into the Mott family.
I am new to this, but will learn.
Roland Davies - Newcastle, Australia
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Hi Roland,
Just read your note again. Emily Mott was a daughter of Maurice edward Davies and Mary Anne Burke. Maurice died in Victoria in 1905. I have a bit of info on the family if you are interested. We are very keen to find relatives
regards heather
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Thank you, any information you have would be of interest to me.
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I live in Newcastle and Have a fair knowledge about Maurice Howard Davies's family in this area. I have a limited amount about Maurice Edward Davies and the Burkes. I recently had an email from someone who I think is descended from another brother of Maurice Howard. "George"? The last George Davies in our part of the family died in World War 1 but the name Howard has continued right through to one of my grandchildren.
Roland Davies
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Hi Jackie,
Great little story about a Mott(s) becoming Mayor in New York, Shame I cannot verify it ! Unfortunately I don't have any info on that - I have a total of 58 Mott's (so far) that were born in Stockport, but no indication on any that even emigrated, never mind becoming Mayor.
No, I'm not directly related to the Mott's - I married one !!! Started her tree along with mine back in 1980, decided that a one-name study on Mott's might be a good idea, and 24 years later am still compiling the names & dates
both on index cards and trying to get all of it onto a database. Managed just over 15,000 so far, so still about another 10,000 to go !!
Keeps me out of the pubs, and away from the dreadful TV rubbish.
All the best,
Fred
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Hi Tradelin,
Just seen your message on MOTT etc, saying you had 15,000.
Would you have, by any chance, a Thomas, or John MOTT who married an Ann COOK. They had a daughter Frances born circa 1819 at Holborn, London. Do you have any info on this family?
Regards,
Margaret
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Hi
I'm trying to find other Mott family trees and cross-link them to my own. Are you able to help at all. Are you interested in my tree?
David Mott
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Hi,
Can anyone help me locate * born c 1939 in London, son of Charles Mott
And father of * who may have another married name now. I believe Charles died in Portsmouth in about 1995. * was born c 1968.
Many thanks
David Mott
* Possibly living , information removed.
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I'm a Mott descendant (from a long way back), I don't have much but here's the info if anyones interested.
My 7x great grandfather
William Mott 1711-1787 m. Martha Marshall 1715-1787 in Effingham, Surrey 15 Mar 1734
William Mott abt. 1735 Dorking, Surrey
Elizabeth Mott 1736 Surrey m. Thomas Duffield 1734-1786 in Headley, Surrey 12 Jul 1761
James Mott 1737 Dorking, Surrey m. Elizabeth Wood abt. 1740
Sarah Mott 1740 Dorking, Surrey
Mary Mott abt. 1741 Surrey-20 Oct 1823 Mickleham, Surrey m. William Willeter abt.1736-15 May 1817 in Headley, Surrey 7 Nov 1768
Martha Mott 1747 Headley, Surrey m. John Collins abt. 1740-abt. 1784 in Headley, Surrey 10 Sep 1764
Eleanor Mott 1756 m. James Pace in Headley, Surrey 20 Mar 1776
Maybe this will be helpful to someone.
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Hi,
I' m am trying to find more about my great grandmother - Alexandra Ellen Mott who I believe was born in 1875 in Lancashire, England. Somehow she moved to South Africa were she married Ebenezer Kidd (who was born in Scotland) in Durban on 1 June 1903 - he died in 1904 aged 34 of TB. She then married William Nicol Barnes in Durban on 30 September 1911. He was my great grandfather. He was killed in an explosion after which she married James Beattie in Durban on 19 August 1916. I have found records of Alexandra Ellen in the 1881 census where she is listed as living with her mother Ellen (my great great grandmother) and her sisters, Sarah, Catherine, Mary and Emma in Bournemouth. On the same census record it lists Ellen as having been born in Southhampton. It does not appear that my great great grandfather living at the same address during the census. I would really like to find out who he was. I have traced my family tree across all branches to the early 1700s but have drawn a blank with the Mott side of the family. Thank you