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Title: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Friday 17 March 06 11:03 GMT (UK)
Hi folks!

I would be grateful for an info/ advice which enables me to find the following relatives

Annie CAMERON b 1819 Ross & Cromarty  Annie married (unk) FRASER and had daughters Margaret b 1860 and Jessie

Kenneth CAMERON b 1811 Kenneth married (unknown) and had children Alick, Rory, Kenneth and a daughter

Kate CAMERON b 25 Feb 1833 Fodderty, Ross and Cromarty Kate married (unk) SUTHERLAND and had Alick and Catherine

Went to Dunedin, NZ.  Set up a cafe called the Highland Welcome.  Moved on to Adelaide.

The dates of birth are approximate and the information was taken from a family tree made in the 1960s.  So far, it has proven quite accurate, but unfortunately it didn't include many dates!  Parents of the brother and sisters were Alexander CAMERON and Margaret (nee CAMERON).  - sorry, no idea whether marriages/children were in Scotland, NZ or OZ!

Can anyone tell me anything about how they got to New Zealand (and/or Adelaide) and what became of them?

Thanks in anticipation!

Arranroots  ;)

Modified: to include children & married names of the ladies
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Sunday 19 March 06 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann

Thanks for the PM

Here is what I know of the family

Kenneth (born Rosskeen, Ross and Cromarty c1811 - 18??) = Unknown
Children Alick, Rory, Kenneth, daughter
Ken jr reputedly had 7 children
Family moved to Dunedin, then Adelaide

Kate (born Fodderty, Ross and Cromarty 25 Feb1833 - 1908) = SUTHERLAND
?Stayed in NZ
Children Catherine and Aleck SUTHERLAND
Her daughter Catherine SUTHERLAND = Hugh BROWN
William, Catherine, Margaret (b1898), Mary, Jessie BROWN
Margaret BROWN = Unk STOKES

Annie (c1819 - ) = FRASER
Children Margaret (1860 - 1939), Jessie
Moved to Dunedin and on to Adelaide
Margaret = Unknown MASON, children Lewis and dau
The daughter = Unk DASTINE
Lewis had 8 children

Looks as though the best bet is going to be for the death of Kate SUTHERLAND in New Zealand (if she did stay there!) or the births of the MASON children. 

Please do get better soon - these people will keep!

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 20 March 06 05:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Arranroots

i popped into the library.. to see what they had, as i am sure they would have more since i last went 15 yrs ago...lol

Its all on Fiche..

the earliest NZ electoral roll was 1868-69
dont have a lot of details on them.'
only names that was there
CAMERON, Alexander   of dunedin   house hold  Dowling st house

CAMERON, Alaxander   dunedin   freehold section  melville st, north
Dunedin section off kings st.

CAMERON, Duncan  dunedin  freehold section 4, b. 29 Dunedin.

No death of any of those names in 1848 - 1858

There is lots of Cameron's on passenger list, from 1852 -1860  they are from all over that area,  there is about 30 , so if you think that may be of help. alot of them have Cameron Mr...... so it would be a matter checking the passinger ship records. for each one.  the lib should have a machine to take a copy of the fiche.  so i could do that , bring it home and type it out to you,

Otago R C Marrages 1855 -1920
plus presbyterian marrages 1848 - 1920
Anglican marriages  1841 - 1920

if you think any of these are worth looking at, i can go back in, i only could find a half hour park, next time hopefully i can stay longer..


Good luck..

best wishes
Ann

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 20 March 06 07:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you Ann - naughty girl though, you should be home getting better!  ::) ;D

I found in my research yesterday what a popular place Dunedin was/is for the Scots - I wonder why my lot didn't like it, LOL?

Passenger lists sound to labour intensive to even ask you to look at: if I had some dates it might help.  Have a few Scotlandspeople credits left, so will see if I can narrow it down at all.

I don't know whether the Otago BMDs have been filmed by the IGI, but as I mentioned I haven't managed to find any events for this family online - hope I haven't missed anything obvious.

They would have been Presbyterian - along with the majority of Dunedin, no doubt.

If you fancy another visit (when you are fit!) I think the BMDs are most likely to produce a result.  Would there have been land claims for folk wanting to set up a cafe??

Many thanks again, Arranroots  ;)


Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 20 March 06 08:06 GMT (UK)
Hi A

Are you rolling your eyes at me,   :o     lol  starting to feel better, just a awful cough now.

I will go back in to the Lib , had to get a feel for what was there first, nothing really earlier than that.

the passenger list had all camerons together etc  for thoses years, so that makes it easier, its just if the only have a Mr .. and no name it doesnt help.

maybe someone will know, but  was there a port in Adelaide in the 1800's or did they go in to Melbourne ???

your second posting was easier to follow, so i will work off that.

yes love to know why they moved on to adelaide. there would have not been much there in those times..

My family did it the other way around, England, melbourne then auckland, to tauranga. (to  fight in the maori wars)

happy hunting

Best wishes
Ann

This is not going to be a 2 sec job....  :) might take a few visits...  so bare with me.
 
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 20 March 06 08:17 GMT (UK)
I am more than happy to wait, Ann - just as long as you are enjoying it!  If it gets too much, please say & I will start saving for my trip!!

Will post any other clues I come across on this thread - shouldn't take up much space!

A  ;)

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 20 March 06 08:23 GMT (UK)


Ive made up the spare bed for you, and we can travel down to Dunedin together, but not going down there in winter, hate the cold.

ann  :D
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 20 March 06 09:02 GMT (UK)


 :D :D 8) 8)

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Wednesday 22 March 06 03:34 GMT (UK)
Hi A

I so wanted to find something.  i looked and looked  for 1 1/2 hours.

this is where i looked

Birth 1840 - 54
Cameron   sarah     53 / 40  Otago
Cameron    male no name    49 / 132  Otago

No Frazer birth in otago

No sutherland birth in otago

No Presbyterian marriages
No RC
No Anglican   in otago

This is assisted Passenger list. from UK to NZ  1855 - 1860
( would they have come together?)  i couldnt match any while in the lib.

Sutherland
lincoln    1867
Mermaid  1865
Mersey    1862
Himalaya   1866
Blue jacket  1866
Victory     1865
British Empire   1864
Eastern Empire 1864
Creswell    1859
Tudor    1865
Matoaka    1861
roman Emperor    1860


Cameron
Merope   1870
Merope   1871
Cashmere  1855
Matoka      1860
Crysolite     1861     ( this was a duncan CAMERON)

Fraser
Caroline coventry  1869
John Temperley  1866
Cashmere 1859
Blue jacket    1866
Victoria     1861
Isabella Hercus  1855
Crysolite       1861
Eastern empire   1864

silly me wrote these  names down and didnt write what they were. gosh some of them had a such a lot of reading to do to work out how to understand the records.

1869     Kenneth Cameron      INV     1832  - 1852
3411         "              "             ROC     1811# 1858
3413      Kenneth Forbes Cameron      1856*  1858


I will go back in next week , and have another look.  so sorry..


Best wishes

Ann  :(







Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Wednesday 22 March 06 05:24 GMT (UK)

Hi A 
Here is a site you could try.. i had a quick try , but i didnt read all the instuctions.

Ann


http://marvin.otago.ac.nz/oni/default.html


Tried again and couldnt get it to work.. "cant find server"
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Kate NZ on Wednesday 22 March 06 07:16 GMT (UK)
To Arranroots this is another site that can help especially if the family were in the South Dunedin caversham Mornington areas
www.otago.ac.nz/nzpg/caversham/   I see you are researching the Bird family i am too mine are from Devon.Dunedin cemetries are online now www.cityofdunedin.com/public/registers? happy Hunting Harriet :D
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Kate NZ on Wednesday 22 March 06 07:19 GMT (UK)
Ann to get the other site you wanted just put into google Marvin Otago and it comes up ONI  Cheers harriet >:(
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Wednesday 22 March 06 08:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Ann

You have been busy!  I am dismayed at the number of CAMERONs etc - it is looking like a needle in a haystack job, isn't it?  Added to the fact that Kris couldn't find any of them arriving in South Australia and my complete lack of dates...

Thanks so much for looking - have a day off!  ;D

The Kenneth CAMERON ROC looks promising: ROC = Ross and Cromarty, which is where my lot were from and he was born in 1811.  I wonder if the record suggests he immigrated to NZ in 1858?  Will have a look at the 1851 census & see if I can identify him, but that is quite a task in itself!

Harriet, thanks also for your help. All contributions welcome and I will have a look at the links.  My BIRDs are found mainly in Wales and later in Bedminster, but I am not sure where they originated (pre 1841) - possibly Gloucestershire?

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Wednesday 22 March 06 08:57 GMT (UK)
i remembered when i was doing the house work that  the info on kenneth was from people coming from scotland to dunedin. ( there is lots)
wish it would give you a bit more info than that.. 

1869     Kenneth Cameron      INV     1832  - 1852
3411         "              "             ROC     1811# 1858
3413      Kenneth Forbes Cameron      1856*  1858


we have fiche on" leaving south Aust', but not arriving, how silly is that.

i will give it another go..  havent given up yet... getting a park near the library is the hardest part....
best wishes

Ann  :)


Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 01:49 GMT (UK)
Wake up, wake up, Arranroots.

have some info...  now i only had a little pad as i didnt except to be going in. but i went in again to check on kenneth

Reg of NZ immigrants of scottish birth arriving b 4 1921

first there is a num
3411   
then name
then place
date of birth
then arrival

then you find the num on the fiche.

so ,, you ready

Cameron Kenneth  (3411)
Baptism 27 dec 1811
father alexander Cameron
Mother Margart
Ship STRATHALLAN
port Timaru or PortChalmers
arrival 18 jan 1858
residence in nz  Waikouaiti   
settler
Death 26 april 1890  Waikouaiti
buriel  hawkesbury  waikouaiti
aged 78 yr
spouse  margaret McLeod
b scotland  c 1818
death 9 nov 1873
married 8 dec 1837   ross
children
kenneth forbes cameron     1856  - 1931
Roderick cam...        1840 - 1917
Alexander      ------
Margaret    cam....   1838  - 1927
cannon rosshire   scotland/
...........................................................
Infomation contributed by
K M Tatlock
15 seymour ave
Nelson
Gr Gr grandaughter.

...........................................................
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 02:00 GMT (UK)
Daughter
margaret  Cameron  (3410)
b 1838
born roc cannon
father ken
mother margaret Mcleod
same ship
residence waikouiti
d 13 oct 1926
waikouite gimmerburn
aged 89
public cemetery
Marriage
donald Campbell
birth ARL Isle Islg
born 5 aug 1831
d 24 june 1909
married 15 feb 1865  waikouiti otago
chil
Annie   1862 - 1846
Finlay McLeod   1865  - 1920
Kenneth  1872 -1960
Donald  1876 - 1913
neil alexander  1877 - 1938
John Graham   1879 - 1947
Margaret McLeod  1882 - 1877
all of Waikaiki

I will take a break and get a coffee..
BRB

Ann   x x
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 02:10 GMT (UK)
 Back again,

Roderick ( 3414)
c 1840
Was resisdent in another county before nz  - sydney NSW
but still came on same ship
18 jan 1858
labourer
d 20 july 1917  aged 77
burial  waikouiti
nothing about wife or kids
.................................................................
Kenneth forbes cameron
b 1856
father kenneth
Mother Margaret
same ship
18 jan 1851
farmer
d 1931
wife margaret REID
nothing about kids.

i am worn out, i am sure this is what you were looking for..
i just kept writing and not checking the names were right,
just going to unload some fire wood and i will be back,
wake up lol
ann

those numbers on side of name are for me incase i have to go back to it,
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 02:24 GMT (UK)
last few from the index that i didnt look up , but can.


Yob year of birth    yoa  year of arrival

alexander  Cameron
3415    roc     -------        1858

SUTHERLAND
92   Catherine         ROC   yob 1852   yoa  1875

102 Elsie or elspec ?  (bremner)  dont know what that means
ROC 1864   1875

101  James      ROC  1862   1875

mary Ann  (Ritchic)   ROC   1856 - 1875

helen    (ross)   ROC 1852 #  1873

Elizabeth (Allan)   ROC  1854 - 1877

FRASER

856  jane   ROC  1833 1893

3826   Sarah    ROC  1810 - 1860

So if there is any name you want me to get details of , i can do that..

hope that helps, i am sure it will.

best wishes
Ann

Also thank you for all the help you have given me.

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 02:26 GMT (UK)
PS. some of the writing was hard to read...

ann....
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 02:32 GMT (UK)
www.thestrathallan.com/strathallan_frameHis_1.htm


going to do the fire wood now.. had my coffee,, seems like there is alot of info on this ship on the net..

Good luck

hope i have helped
ann
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 04:56 GMT (UK)
Hi A :)

www.teara.govt.nz/1966/W/Waikouaiti/Waikouaiti/en

found this site very interesting, let me know if you can match any family up..

going to look at the bit on Gate Pa, as that is the war terrys family came over to help fight... in the 1860's

best wishes

Ann...

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 06:55 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

me again

I have been to Waikouaiti, its was otago's first harbour and the site of a whaling station, established in 1838.
Just up the road is matanaka, which we walked to, there is a stable , storehouse, granary, school house and a three seater loo, are among the oldest surviving in the south Is,
It was a really long walk as the gate was shut to keep sheep in, up a really big hill, just about killed me.. my girls couldnt make it, they had to go back to the campervan.
Took a photo out there off a boat made of stick and skins, but i am in the photo so i am not posting it. another one of names written on a door, dates where in the 1800's , so interesting, worth the walk.

ann
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 07:08 GMT (UK)
hi

Think that enough for you to take in for now?????


www.historic.org.nz/places2visit/places2visit_otago.html#4


Ann

Best wishes
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 23 March 06 08:01 GMT (UK)
I don't know what to say!!  Overwhelmed!  so sorry to have been inconsiderately asleep while you were discovering all that!

I think there might be a letter winging its way to a gt gt granddaughter - is she likely to be in the phonebook or Electoral register so we can check she is still at the same address?

I don't think "Thank You" quite covers it - you have done a sterling job and I am very grateful!

(Thought for a moment, while reading your last but one reply, that you had dashed off to the south island in your campervan while I was sleeping, LOL!  Glad to realise it was a few years back!)

I am going to have fun with all this info & will try to locate marriage & birth info in Scotland to go with it.

Thanks so much Ann - I will make you a medal!  :D :D :D

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 08:13 GMT (UK)
hi there,

I am so pleased that you are please,

i think there is still work i could do in that area, but i will wait for you to say, just let me know, as now we have found them, you can sort out which ones i follow up, but there is some great web sites, plus the ones from Harriet. cemetery one looks good .

I have check the white pages and there is still a K Tatlock at 15 Seymour ave, nelson, with her phone number..

happy hunting,
so glad i could help after all you have done for me..

xx  ann
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 08:33 GMT (UK)

You have to start saving , the south Is is a truly beautiful place..  we went there in April 2004, 10 days in a campervan... very different to the north is, where i live.

ann  :)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 23 March 06 08:44 GMT (UK)
That sounds like a brilliant idea!  I know we have rellies in Tuaranga and Adelaide too, so could do the complete tour - if Scotlandspeople don't get all my money first! LOLOL

 ;D

Have armed myself with toast & coffee, so will start work now!

Looks like one of the Rodericks might have died in WWI?

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 08:50 GMT (UK)
hi there.

Please keep me informed  how you get on.

Feel i have got to know these people now.

ann  :)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 23 March 06 08:58 GMT (UK)
Well the children match nicely - assuming Alick is Alexander and Rory is Roderick.

The names are all common in this family, apart from Forbes which is prob from the mother's side.

I will certainly let you know about anything that comes out of all this.  This thread will run and run, LOL!  :D

I hope you are having a nice rest this evening after your endeavours?

Will think of some more questions for you tomorrow, if that is OK?  Easy ones, I promise!

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 09:06 GMT (UK)


 i am so excited, you are my first customer... its made my day, finding something, didn't think i was going to have any luck..  looking for a needle in a hay stack.

ann

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 23 March 06 09:18 GMT (UK)
You should see the big grin on my face!!

Have found the marriage of Kenneth & Margaret McLeod, but since it is before registration began, there is not a lot of detail.

(When you write addresses in NZ, do you need to add which island?)

told you the questions would get easier now!!

 ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 23 March 06 09:32 GMT (UK)
 dont normally put which Is , but it wouldn't  hurt....

i would love to visit Nelson, so when you come , we will pop in there, lol ,on the way to Dunedin.

have you written the letter already?  you are going to have a busy day, we wont see you for a couple of days now...... ???

Nelson is at the top of the south Is.  bit hard to get to, i think.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 23 March 06 09:54 GMT (UK)
I think we will need a helicopter, LOL!

Next Rootschat Meet in Kiwi-a-go-go-land then?  (oops, that came from a book my daughter bought - hilarious, must find the title for you!)

You are right, I might go a bit quiet for a few hours...

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Friday 24 March 06 01:07 GMT (UK)

Hi A :)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/lists.htm


Hi there, did you sleep well. not sure, but i dont think i sent you this site, but i see under surname interests, it has Cameron  scotland to Marara  1860+ Penny

Have a idea, will PM it to you..

best wishes
ann :)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Friday 24 March 06 01:25 GMT (UK)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Enzbound/strathallan.htm


found them on the passenger list

cameron  Kenneth and wife , two children and Margaret cameron.

ann


Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Friday 24 March 06 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Sent an e-mail to "Penny" about the CAMERONs, but it bounced!  If you are out there, Penny...  :D

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Sunday 26 March 06 20:59 BST (UK)
How you going with this family of yours. i have been dreaming about, not that it has been much help..... ;D

have a great evening

Best wishes

Ann

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 27 March 06 02:58 BST (UK)
Went back in to check to see if i had missed any FRASER'S OR SUTHERLAND'S.

and no i didn't , there was just the ones i sent you.

the Catherine McKenze SUTHERLAND (92)was
b 17 dec 1852  ROC
father was david SUTHERLAND
Mother was Elizabeth SIMPSON
ARRIVED  4 aug 1875

102  Elsie or elspec?   b 29 feb 1860  ROC  same as above

the 101 james must be the same family to.

856  james  FRASER     Roc 1833  1893
16 DEC 1833 roc Fearn
father william fraser
mother sarah sally anderson

arrived 2 may 1893 auckland



Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 27 March 06 03:07 BST (UK)
back again

The only other details i could find

Donald CAMPBELL
c 1829  bap 5 aug 1831
ARL parish kidalton  isle isby
father Neil Campbell
Mother Isabelle Carmichael
arrival c 1861    ship ????
otago
carpenter
D 24 june 1901  aged 77
info from same lady, says it comes from a family bible,,
( did i tell you, you needed the family bible)
married  margaret CAMERON
Ross county scot
17 nov 1838
married 15 feb 1865


Margaret MCLeod
b 1818
D 9 nov 1873
waikouiki 
aged 55 yr.

two nights in a row ,i have dreamed the name CAMERON , bit worrying..

best wishes
Ann
 see if i can find another customer now, cu  x x
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 27 March 06 07:53 BST (UK)
Hi Ann

Did you get my PM?

Thanks for those, you are right I do need the family Bible!  Will write to her as soon as I hear from the other source (fingers crossed!).  Or maybe sooner if I get impatient, LOL!

The Margaret you found above looks interesting - maybe we should have been looking for CAMPBELL instead of SUTHERLAND all along?

Will let you know when I hear something.

A  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Monday 27 March 06 08:06 BST (UK)
hi there,

yes i did get your PM, but after i had already been into the lib, i was researching for other people, not that i think i was much help... i havent got time to go thru every year looking for deaths or birth.. take forever.. there is no index on the fiche records..

but i hope that was info, that was useful  to you....

if you need anything checked or have anything else looked up, let me know, only to happy to..

best wishes
Ann

i have got a little confused with the family now, hope you have it sorted.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Thursday 30 March 06 10:42 BST (UK)
hi there

this is from the "Wises NZPO Directory 1892 -93"

you have to look at each page, as every area has its own, so its very easy to miss an area.

Mosgiel
Alexander Cameron    - no job listed
William cameron    draper

Waiwera south
donald Cameron
peter cameron  farmer

 dunedin    union st intersect
duncan cameron

then dont laugh
i remembered the SUTHERLAND name , and the Annie name.
 so in Waitapeka
annie Sutherland dress maker
john
adam  jun
mrs A   farmer
Robert farmer
william farmer
 got home and saw its not annie its kate..

lol never mind

have to work out a good system for reseaching our lib.. make up a sheet , and fill in the details or something- , have to work on that,   any good ideas anyone.. especally when you are researching for two or more people...

happy hunting
best wishes
Ann
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Ann W on Friday 31 March 06 03:42 BST (UK)


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/Strathallan1857.htm

did you look at this page????

Ann
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: jericho on Friday 31 March 06 21:53 BST (UK)
Hi Arranroots

Not sure if you already have this:

Dunedin letters of Administration Files for Kenneth Cameron  of Shag Valley, (probably better known as Shag Point) Otago  Farmer  1890

agency series  accassion   box    record
DAAC     9074     D 239      226      A243

email:dunedin [at] archives.govt.nz


jericho
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Friday 31 March 06 22:07 BST (UK)
No, I don't know about that - thank you!

Letters of Administration suggesting he died about that date?

Have you any experience of asking about such records?  I wonder what they might let you have (and how much, LOL!)  Did you find the record online?

Many thanks again

Arranroots  ;)

p.s. modified the e-mail address you provided to prevent spamming
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: jericho on Friday 31 March 06 22:28 BST (UK)
 


The information is on line, if you type in Archway Simple Search, you should have no trouble locating it. When emailing  Dunedin archives just send the information quoting the persons details  and all the other details for agency series etc  I included. Everything that appears on the files will be included, as for cost I have no idea, that will depend on how many pages of info there is. Good Luck



jericho
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Friday 31 March 06 22:31 BST (UK)
Thank you again!

 ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - seeking info on Jessie Cameron, Waikouaiti area
Post by: Darian Zam on Monday 08 April 13 08:19 BST (UK)
Hi folks!

I would be grateful for an info/ advice which enables me to find the following relatives

Annie CAMERON b 1819 Ross & Cromarty  Annie married (unk) FRASER and had daughters Margaret b 1860 and Jessie


I'm wondering if anyone found out anything about Jessie Cameron such as birth/death/marriage details? I am seeking information on a Jessie Cameron. She was likely from Waikouaiti. I think there were more than one Cameron family there.
Roderick, Kenneth, Rory etc and the Campbells  from that area- Waikouaiti/Palmerston/Goodwood etc. I have come across a number of references to them.
The other family likely headed by an Alexander Cameron.
Jessie worked for some time at the Seacliff Asylum (Seacliff was the next town from down the coast south) probably in the late 1880s-early 1890s and she married and Alexander Aitcheson whose family were from Waikouaiti. By the end of the 1890s they were situated in Wellington.
Jessie later sued the city of Wellington and won when she tripped over a gas pipe in 1914 and became crippled. I have been going around in circles with this for ages as the is a dearth of paperwork - no marriage record, no records for their three children, unsure of dates of birth and death which gives me no leads to crack this Cameron branch of the family tree.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Tuesday 09 April 13 11:18 BST (UK)
Ooh these names all sound very familiar - I'll need to get back into my tree to see how they might fit - remind me if I don't get back to you quite soon (busy day today!!)

Thanks for your post - most kind.

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 10 April 13 04:07 BST (UK)
No, I don't know about that - thank you!

Letters of Administration suggesting he died about that date?

Have you any experience of asking about such records?  I wonder what they might let you have (and how much, LOL!)  Did you find the record online?

Many thanks again

Arranroots  ;)

p.s. modified the e-mail address you provided to prevent spamming

Hi Arranroots,

This is the link to the file you want
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13286144

It might pay to start a new thread with a Dunedin Archives look up and hopefully a kind chatter will view the file and take digital photos of it,the other way would be to enail a request to Archives,from memory the charge is about $25.

Cheers Janette


Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Wednesday 10 April 13 08:11 BST (UK)

chil
Annie   1862 - 1846
Finlay McLeod   1865  - 1920
Kenneth  1872 -1960
Donald  1876 - 1913
neil alexander  1877 - 1938
John Graham   1879 - 1947
Margaret McLeod  1882 - 1877
all of Waikaiki


Ann   x x

What is Waikaiki? Do you mean Waikouaiti - or Waitati, which was to the South of closer to Dunedin?
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Wednesday 10 April 13 08:41 BST (UK)
Well the children match nicely - assuming Alick is Alexander and Rory is Roderick.

Rory was definitely Roderick Cameron's nickname. He recorded himself in the journal for the Waikouaiti Old Settler's Picnic in 1913 as Rory Cameron, and as having arrived on the ship "Pirate" in 1858, and then the year he died he did the  same as having arrived 1859. The passenger list for the Pirate of 1859 shows several Camerons aboard but whether any others were relatives is a question.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Wednesday 10 April 13 09:38 BST (UK)


I would be grateful for an info/ advice which enables me to find the following relatives

Kenneth CAMERON b 1811 Kenneth married (unknown) and had children Alick, Rory, Kenneth and a daughter

Can anyone tell me anything about how they got to New Zealand (and/or Adelaide) and what became of them?



I've been combing through stuff on this topic still trying to find how Jessie Cameron fits in. There's a lot of missing stuff so it's hard to tell if she descended from any of the Cameron kids that arrived 1858 (if at all). Obviously not from Margaret Cameron Campbell's branch, or, as it l turns out - from Alick's (Alexander's) branch. So that leaves Rory (Roderick) and Kenneth.

It looked like Alexander (Alick) was Alexander Cameron, married to Alexandrina (nee unknown). There is no marriage record in NZ indicating that they were married before they arrived. Since she does not appear in the manifest for the Strathallan in 1858 there is either no record of their marriage (not so unusual for NZ BDM for things to be misspelled or missing altogether) - or the other possibility is that Alexandrina came separately ly to NZ possibly on The Pirate with Rory (Roderick) in 1858. It is a bit curious  as to why Rory came separately as an 11 year old on a separate ship and it makes sense he would be chaperoned by  an adult. I'm getting born 1840 from other sources so I am more likely to go with that and assume the person that wrote it on the thread earlier accidentally hit a 9 instead of a 0. That would have made him around 18 when he emigrated. I'll just put it down to a missing marriage record in that case. 

Anyway this is what I have found: Alexander Cameron, 1834-1913. Native of Ross-Shire, Scotland. Retired Farmer, last address Goodwood. Wife Alexandrina Cameron 1834-1876.
Children:
First born was
Roderick  Cameron 1862-1947.
 Married Johan/Johanna Hellen Miller (Elsie) in 1898 and had a daughter Johanna Hellen in 1900, and a son Roderick Magnus Grant Cameron in 1907 (d 1971).

Then:
John 1866-
Kenneth 1865-
Alexander Jr. 1869-1888.
Margaret (Maggie) 1871-1887
George Donald (Donald)  1873-1892

All Lived in Flag Swamp, Palmerston,  Flag Swamp/Hawksbury was sort of halfway between Waikouaiti and Palmerston. Obviously that is where the farm was. Alexander Sr, Jr, Alexandrina and Maggie all  buried in the same plot at Waikouaiiti Cemetery. Alick lived in Goodwood after 1910 with Roderick and his wife on their property named "Lochinver" and that's where he died.

You weren't specific about which one of the siblings supposedly had the cafe/left for Adelaide. If you know, please tell as that will cut out at least one line of inquiry (for me, anyway).

Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Wednesday 10 April 13 10:39 BST (UK)
I'm also going to rule out Kenneth Forbes Cameron.
Children with Margaret Reid:

Malcolm Cameron 1895 -
Margaret Annie Cameron 1897 -
Kenneth Donald Cameron 1900 -
Finlay Alexander Cameron 1901 -
Catherine Jessie Cameron 1902 -
Florence Lilian Cameron 1904-1996
Collin Alan Cameron 1907 -
Forbes Ewen Cameron 1910 -
Jean Cecily Cameron 1911
Heather Grace Cameron 1917-2008, married William Basel Hagan (1911 - 1983), one known daughter.

That leaves Roderick. Whom I get a feeling didn't marry or have any children, so...generationally Jessie Cameron Aitcheson does not fit in anywhere in this family (she was likely born between the mid 1960s and mid 1870s) unless "Jessie" was a nickname and her government name was something else - all too common in those days and even used a lot for record-keeping. Looks like I will be starting from square one looking at other Cameron families in the area.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Wednesday 24 April 13 11:02 BST (UK)
Oh wow - such a lot of information!

Thanks for going to so much trouble - it will take me a while to go through it all.

Also sorry for late reply, I have a genuine excuse!

Kind regards, Arranroots :)
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Thursday 20 June 13 09:55 BST (UK)
Hi, I don't know why I am not getting notifications on this thread. Anyway, no problem. I hope it is helpful in some way to your research. I am no closer to finding the answer to my Cameron issue.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Janette on Thursday 20 June 13 21:46 BST (UK)
Hi, I don't know why I am not getting notifications on this thread. Anyway, no problem. I hope it is helpful in some way to your research. I am no closer to finding the answer to my Cameron issue.

You get notification if you have previously posted on a thread,which you have done on this one,

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: mare on Thursday 20 June 13 22:17 BST (UK)
 :-\ A couple of reasons why you may not be ...

Check your profile and make sure you have ticked reply notifications

Check your Spam mail to see if hiding in there, I've had it happen, possibly being sensitive to first part of site name.

 :) mare
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Darian Zam on Friday 21 June 13 00:56 BST (UK)


Check your Spam mail to see if hiding in there, I've had it happen, possibly being sensitive to first part of site name.


Oh, the whole interweb is sensitive to my name. Apparently I sound like spam.
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: SignalHill on Tuesday 29 October 13 22:56 GMT (UK)
Anyway this is what I have found: Alexander Cameron, 1834-1913. Native of Ross-Shire, Scotland. Retired Farmer, last address Goodwood. Wife Alexandrina Cameron 1834-1876.
Children:
First born was
Roderick  Cameron 1862-1947.
 Married Johan/Johanna Hellen Miller (Elsie) in 1898 and had a daughter Johanna Hellen in 1900, and a son Roderick Magnus Grant Cameron in 1907 (d 1971).

Roderick Magnus Grant CAMERON   
OBHS Centenial Register records : -
attended Otago Boys High School 1923 & 1924
served in WW II
Clerk at Wright Stephenson & Co [A National Rural Services Firm]
Address [around 1963] 24 Rawhiti Street Dunedin


Burial Record Dunedin Cemeteries
CAMERON       RODERICK MANGUS G          63 Years          Male
Date of Death    6 Jan 1971
Last Address    24 RAWHITI STREET DUNEDIN
Funeral Director    Hope & Sons Ltd, P O Box 5013, Andersons Bay, DUNEDIN
ANDERSONS BAY CEMETERY    Block 278. Plot 10      Date of Burial    8 Jan 1971
Date of Birth    Not recorded
Notes    Original reference:- A19710108
Occupation:- STOCK AGENT
Native of:- NZ
Years in NZ:- 63
Place died:- DUNEDIN
The following burials are also in this Plot
CAMERON LILLIAN SYLVIA 84 Years Burial 3 Aug 1998

Signal
Title: Re: CAMERON to New Zealand - more info added
Post by: Arranroots on Wednesday 30 October 13 11:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the additional information, Signal Hill!

I've just handed over a social media marketing client, so will have more time to concentrate on untangling these folk. I keep promising myself ...

Kind regards, Arranroots :)