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Title: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: kellli16 on Saturday 15 April 06 10:47 BST (UK)
Can anyone help me find any information on the cummins family. The only information that I have is that my Nana was called Kathleen cummins DOB 25/01/1915 she had several brothers and sisters May, Gladys,George,Ann,Charles and Elizabeth(Betty) I Know that their father was called George and that he married a Catherine Lundregan Choltern Manchester I think that they married in 1911 I also know that they lived at 20 Grafton Street Gorton as this is on my Nan's Birth cert. Any information would be brilliant. we were on the understanding that Catherine Lundregan came from either Ireland or Liverpool, we are not sure which. Also the Name Gregory comes into this family as we can remember her talking about a grandma Gregory. ???
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Nutty1966 on Saturday 15 April 06 11:03 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Nutty1966 on Saturday 15 April 06 11:08 BST (UK)
marriage for george is as follows

george cummins to catherine lundregun in chorlton lancashire in 1911 in quart of oct-dec

jane
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Nutty1966 on Saturday 15 April 06 11:12 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Nutty1966 on Saturday 15 April 06 11:21 BST (UK)
Have you looked on freebmd as it lists endless people with the name lundegran born in lancashire,
alice, betty, edith, elizabeth, emily, james and george


hope some  of it helps


jane
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: kellli16 on Saturday 15 April 06 19:16 BST (UK)
Thanks Janeharvey
                             This is the same family as I have just spoken to my mum and she can confirm that she can remember her mum talking about a grandma Gregory she must of been married before her name changed to Gregory as the two children were cummins and I think that George cummins (son) is my Nana's dad. thanks so much.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: kellli16 on Saturday 15 April 06 19:17 BST (UK)
Jane when I spoke to my mum she also mentioned the chappells and that somewhere down the line they were in the family this must of been where they came in.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Shaz100973 on Thursday 21 June 12 22:40 BST (UK)
Hiya. My name is Sharon I live in cardigan, west Wales I am Gladys cummins grand daughter. My nanna was your nannas sister. Her birth certificate also has the exact same home address. Her mother Catherine was Irish and died in child birth, leaving Betty ( the eldest  daughter) , Margaret, Kathleen, Gladys, may, Charles and George. My nan ended up being sent to work the land in the land army here in west Wales.
My mum has kept in touch with *, Betty daughter. * still lives in *. Would love to catch up with you. My pone number is *

I know my nanna would love to think that we are all interested in their background. I was really really close to her and loved her so much. I used to spend hours talking to her about her childhood. It was really sad to hear about their childhood. I remember her saying that Betty and Margaret brought the younger children up.

Would love to hear from you.

Fondest regards

Sharon

* personal details removed in accordance with Rootschat policy
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 22 June 12 08:52 BST (UK)
Hi
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Heather
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: casmith on Friday 02 February 18 12:56 GMT (UK)
I am the grand daughter of George Cummins. I have tried to find out more about his mum Catherine Lundregan but really found nothing. Can you help!!!!!
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 13:24 GMT (UK)
Hello casmith and welcome  :)

The other posters have not posted since the dates shown but may be notified if they still have the same contact email through Rootschat.

This is the marriage for George and Catherine? Do you have the details?

St Silas, Ardwick 23rd November 1911
George Cummins 19 yrs father David Cummins
Catherine Lundregan 18 yrs father Michael Lundregan

Regards
Heywood
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: casmith on Friday 02 February 18 13:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the reply. Yes I have the marriage certificate. Thanks. That’s the only real bit of information I have regarding her. I have done the dna test and there is a link to a Lonergan over in America the Pattee Family. Margaret Lonergan married JK Pater. If only I could figure out more info on her!!!!
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: Maggsie on Friday 02 February 18 14:07 GMT (UK)
Hi, I have been searching through the Census, birth etc.
Have you the 1911 Census?
George Cummins father was David, is that correct?
Mother was Elizabeth Ann Foulkes is that correct?
Maggsie
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 14:11 GMT (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

Have you investigated the Catherine Londrigan born Droylsden who in 1891 1901 is age 8 and staying with her Aunt Catherine Chappell  RG13/3787 f198 p35
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 14:12 GMT (UK)
1911 indexes show Katie Lunergan

Family Search has her here as Funergan.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBJ-GN4

Kellli 16 mentions the name Chappell too.

GRO and Cheshire BMD shows Catherine Lonergan with mmn Moore.

1901 3787/198/35

Catherine Londrigan 8 yrs is niece in a Chappell household.

1891 3283/116

Michael and Margret Lonergan are in Droylsden with a baby Ellen. Cheshire BMD shows possible mother as Maher - wonder if this is Moore/ Maher?

You might want to check these.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 14:13 GMT (UK)
Rosie I had just finished typing after searching around so posted it  :)

Let’s hope something comes from this.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
Well done Heywood, lots of useful information there  :)
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 14:18 GMT (UK)
Just noticed that Michael hails from Waterford as does Catherine Chappell.

Margaret Lonergan is transcribed as birthplace ‘Fipperamy’  :)
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 15:49 GMT (UK)
Having tried to make sense of this am not sure re connections.

In Cheshire BMD, Catherine is the only one with mmn Moore - other children are Maher.

1911 information re Michael and Margaret Lonergan does not fit with numbers of children to include Catherine.

Looking at past censuses, Catherine Chappel seems to be Catherine Moore/s and we have the Chappel connection already mentioned so in part, I think there is a connection but not yet sure where.  :-\

There is a marriage
Chorlton September 1889 vol 8c pg 1169 Michael Lonergan and Mary Ann Moore
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 16:01 GMT (UK)
This looks like Ellens parents
Marriage March qtr 1890   
Lonergan    Michael       
Maher    Margaret       
Chorlton    8c   1002   

Both marriages are Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: casmith on Friday 02 February 18 16:10 GMT (UK)
I am so thankful for all your help with this. Yes David Cummins and Elizabeth Faulkes were George Cummins parents. The Cummins was easy to trace but the Lundregan is not. I also noticed the Chappells name be commented on. I also looked at this. I have two census’s 1911 with Katie Lundregan as Niece to the head William Moore, also his mother Catherine Chappell. 1901 census Catherine Chappell with a George Chappell also with Ellen daughter son William and niece again Catherine Longrigan. Catherine from Waterford Ireland all other droysden. I need to get my head around this one. Was Catherine Chappell married before, if so could she be a Lundregan????
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 16:15 GMT (UK)
it’s all so difficult because of the Moore/s connection  :-\

1871 4077/86/15
Droylsden
William Moores   27 yrs
Catherine Moores 25 yrs
Francies Moores   9 yrs
Joseph Moores   5 yrs


1881 4044/65/25

Frances Moores   40 yrs
Francis Moores   18 yrs
Joseph Moores   14 yrs
Mary A. Moores   8 yrs
Ellen Moores   4 yrs
Willie Moores   1 yrs

I think Frances is Catherine  :-\

Note she has a daughter Mary A - marriage to Michael L as mentioned maybe?

I think this is one where you would need to sit down and collate and have documentation really.
None of this may be your family but worth following up.

Ellen Moore b 1877 mmn Conroy
Mary Ann b 1872 mmn Conneray

Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 16:22 GMT (UK)
Joseph Moore b 1866 Chorlton mmn Connory
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: casmith on Friday 02 February 18 16:31 GMT (UK)
I’m going to print stuff out and have a good look at it all. Does anyone know if you can get contact details of other users online. I would like to speak to the Sharon user on the original post from year past?
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 16:34 GMT (UK)
That’s a good idea  :)

As I wrote earlier, Sharon hasn’t been online since then but if her email is still valid and she has allowed notifications then she will see your posts.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 17:01 GMT (UK)
Just going over all this in my mind and as Rosie wrote in #13 , in 1901 Catherine is shown as niece to Catherine Chappell  ???
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 17:37 GMT (UK)
Sorry heywood, I have lost track - do we have this marriage
Marriages Jun 1885 
Chappells    George       
MOORES    Catherine       
Ashton    8d   785
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 17:41 GMT (UK)
Brilliant  ;)

I had looked but couldn’t find it.

I think casmith has a lot of work to do and hope we are on the right track.
I can’t see Mary Ann Moores Lonergan in 1891 anywhere  :-\
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 17:45 GMT (UK)
Cheshire BMD shows the George/Catherine marriage with registrar attended or civil marriage and her previous name as Connolly which vaguely resembles the maiden name on those births. :)
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 17:47 GMT (UK)
Was just going to post when I saw your reply

I wonder  :-\

Marriage Mar qtr  1862   
Ambery    Catherine       
Cavanagh    Andrew       
Conroy    Anthony       
Conroy    Catherine       
Moore    William
       
Manchester    8d   507

Confirmed on lancashirebmd
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 17:50 GMT (UK)
Sounds good too.

At least there are some certificates to check  ;)
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 18:18 GMT (UK)
So are we looking for a William Moore/s who has a sister Mary Ann - that would make her Catherine's niece
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Friday 02 February 18 18:25 GMT (UK)
Oh I am not sure.

The way I see it but I am stuck on the niece bit re Catherine

Catherine Conroy/variations married William Moore/s and had children.
One was Mary Ann b 1872 so would be very young on the marriage to Michael Lonergan if it is her.
Catherine also had a son William who Katie is also shown as niece to in 1911.

I am off out now though so feel free to work it out  :) for when I come back.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 03 February 18 12:50 GMT (UK)
We have -

Catherine Lunergan
1893 LONERGAN   Catherine   mmn MOOR   Audenshaw   Tameside   AUD/60/2
..................

Probable birth registration of  William Moore son of William Moore & Catherine

1880 MOOR William   mmn CONROY   Audenshaw   Tameside   AUD/43/57

Catherine Conroy/William Moore marriage 1862
Catherine Moores/George Chappells marriage 1885
.......................
I think the only way is to possibly get 2/3 certificates  :'(
1893 Catherine's birth.

Then if it matches, 1889 marriage of Michael Lonergan & Mary Ann Moore 1889

Then maybe William Moores & Catherine Conroy 1862.

It does look as though the family connection between Catherine Chappells & Catherine Lonergan is on the Moor/e/s side.


Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Saturday 03 February 18 12:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks Janeharvey
                             This is the same family as I have just spoken to my mum and she can confirm that she can remember her mum talking about a grandma Gregory she must of been married before her name changed to Gregory as the two children were cummins and I think that George cummins (son) is my Nana's dad. thanks so much.

If I recall, I think the Gregory connection is through remarriage of George Cummins mother.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: casmith on Monday 05 February 18 19:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for all your help. I’m still scraping my head with this. Will keep on chipping away at it and I’m sure I’ll figure out something.
Title: Re: Cummins family in mancheter Help!!
Post by: heywood on Monday 05 February 18 19:10 GMT (UK)
Keep going ....  ;)

Perhaps worth investing in certificates when you can.