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Title: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: RedRover on Thursday 20 April 06 18:10 BST (UK)
Has been a while since I posted to any board.  Seeking to share information on Armagh born Pentland families, particularly around Ballyworkan.  I have photos of related and maybe-related family burials stones in Drumcree, Seagoe, and Mullavilly.

Other Armagh lines Uprichard, Morrow, Gibson, Dermot, Gardiner.

Also, I have alpha index of names for Pentland (and similar) for Scotland, Mid-Lothian Christening, Births and Marriages 1600-1800's.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 22 April 06 15:13 BST (UK)
I don't know of any Pentland connection, but I was very interested to see the name Gibson.

I am descended from Jane Gibson (1821-1900), whose father was Jeremiah Gibson of Ballyworkan, a farmer. Jane married William Harcourt in Portadown in 1848.

I think I have a little more information on the family, but it will take me a while to unearth it and sort it out. Meanwhile, have you come across them?

Thanks for any help,
Arthur
Title: Gibson Ballyworkan.
Post by: RedRover on Saturday 22 April 06 17:58 BST (UK)
Arthur:  I am sure that somehow we are then related as Ballyworkan is a very small place.  Did you know that in Ballyworkan there is a rural road called Harcourt's Hill upon which my gg grandfather lived?  I took a picture of it and the abandoned house when I visited there in 2002.

My gg paternal grandmother was Martha Gibson, born around 1832 and perhaps we could speculate was a sister to Jane?  She married Thomas Pentland and their children were Maggie Anne, John, Elizabeth Mary, Jane, Martha and Jeremiah. 

Jeremiah Pentland was my gg, born in 1863, and who also lived and raised his family in Ballyworkan just down the road from Thomas.  Many of the Pentlands were buried in Drumcree or Seagoe Church cemetaries, but I regret not making time to see, or bumping into, any Gibson graves.  I am trying to piece together 'where' the families were in proximity to each other in order through various online records.  I found that there was another spelling for Ballyworkan, like many places, but this was well before the Battle of the Boyne. After the process of elimination using the Pender's Census of Ireland from 1659, I believe the spelling was then Bollymurhan in the Oneyland Cones.  According to this census, there were (but likely not including servants) 20 people on the 'land' of Bollymurhan, 10 being English or Scotts and 10 being Irish.  The tituladoe named was Mr Amlett OBoyns.
Alison ps I am in Canada

Piecing together these documents if fun, but time consuming.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 22 April 06 20:15 BST (UK)
Yes!! I think we are connected!

Very briefly, I had some professional research done a couple of years ago,  looking into the Harcourts and Gibsons of Ballyworkan and surrounding areas. The only Gibson found there in 1828 was Jeremiah, and over time his land passed to William Gibson, and later to Jeremiah Pentland. Sure enough, William Gibson's will (1889) left everything to his "nephew Jeremiah Pentland" - strongly suggesting that my Jane, your Martha, and the above William, were brother and sisters.

I'm sending you a private message - maybe we can continue this off list.

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: downpatrick on Saturday 13 May 06 14:04 BST (UK)
My great-grandfather was Jeremiah Pentland from Ballyworkan. My grandfather was his son James Pentland. When I was young I always heard the story that James went to Canada - Vancouver Island I think - with some of his brothers and enlisted in the Canadian army in 1917. He was in Europe fighting, in France, took leave and came back to Portadown where he met my grandmother. She agreed to marry him but didn't want to go to Canada so he came back to Northern Ireland. I recently found his enlistment papers on the internet because the Canadian army has scanned all the old papers and made them available. He's on http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/573464a.gif.

When I was young we used to have Canadian cousins come to visit us the odd time in Downpatrick, Northern Ireland, so you must be one of those or related to one of those.





Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 13 May 06 19:18 BST (UK)
Another cousin!

I'm not sure whether Alison is monitoring the board at the moment, but I'll let her know you've posted.

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Christopher on Friday 24 August 07 15:26 BST (UK)
 Ballyworkan Townland  (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm2/townlands/Ballyworkan.htm) is mentioned on Connors Genealogy, Ireland GenWeb.

Broken link?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Friday 24 August 07 16:37 BST (UK)
Thanks for the link!

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 09 September 08 22:48 BST (UK)
Hi,

We have a George Pentland married to a Jane/Jennie Anderson.  George was the son of Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland. He was born abt 1806.

Some of their family were born in Seagoe Parish, before he moved to Derrykeevan, Tartaraghan and had the rest of their family.

Some of their children were
George, Jr.
Thomas married Deborah Ann SImonton from Derrylard
Jane Elizabeth married William Warnock
Lucy married a Thornton
Elizabeth married Joseph Black

I'm hoping you will recognize either Alexander and Elizabeth in your line, or George and Jane (Anderson) Pentland.

Best,
Roxanna



Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: kalasira on Sunday 23 November 08 13:53 GMT (UK)
hi,
i was just going trough different Irish site,s cos i am trying to my mum,s tree,and have hit a brick wall,i have been told ireland would be hard but not this hard,any way,my mum used to have a very good friend friend called Jennie pentland and she lived in Bangor,and if i am right she lived on everton street of crumlin road i have some letters from her that mention her family i will try and find them and let you no,thought you might be interested in this,hope to hear from you.
allthe best Jacquie
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Sunday 23 November 08 15:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Jacquie,

Thank you for writing.  I'd be very interested in the letters and whether Jennie Pentland referred to her family.

Look forward to hearing from you again.
Best,
Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: kalasira on Sunday 23 November 08 15:24 GMT (UK)
thanks for your message,i will look for the letters with in the next two days,if i remember rightly she was in wharf,s with my mum,i have a photo of some of them having a drink but i don,t no if one of them is Jeannie, but i will look and get back to you i no she lived in Bangor talk to you soon.

all the best,Jacquie,
p,s. my mum,s name was Mary Jane dinsmore but ever one called her may,
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: kalasira on Sunday 23 November 08 21:21 GMT (UK)
hi roxanna
asked some one if they could find the parent.s of some of my ancestor,s and they came back with the names john larkin married a Sarah morrow and i noticed you had also put morrow but i have only just found out i don,t know anything about here and have never heard of bally workan any way thought i would send it to any way,all the best Jacquie
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Thursday 26 February 09 11:02 GMT (UK)
Re; Armagh Pentlands -  I have posted info of our Pentland family on a different page.  I felt that your Pentland family has, at this stage, no connection with our family.  But certainly may have in Scotland. 
We have info on a Gilmerton Pentland Family which may/maynot be our original Scottish family.
I have not been able to find the  link to the Portadown/Tandragee/Dumcree  Pentland family. 
Our GGrandfather William Pentland listed his parents on his wedding certificate as - Richard Pentland and Mary Ann Davis married in the Church of England and Ireland.  We have not been able to find an actual record in the archives of this marriage ( Our William married in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 1854)
Richard and his father John are listed in the Griffiths Tythe book living in Dumcree.
The two children of Richard and Mary were baptised in Drumcree, but their births have not been found anywhere yet.  - William and Davis written as Pendelton in  the register. We do not know if there were other children. 
 
Has been a while since I posted to any board. Seeking to share information on Armagh born Pentland families, particularly around Ballyworkan. I have photos of related and maybe-related family burials stones in Drumcree, Seagoe, and Mullavilly.

Also, I have alpha index of names for Pentland (and similar) for Scotland, Mid-Lothian Christening, Births and Marriages 1600-1800's.

Do you have this family listed on your alpha index Red Rover?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Tuesday 14 April 09 10:16 BST (UK)
Hi

I have been working for some time on the Pentlands, especially the family in Lurgan c 1850 (my twig of the family) and the Pentlands of Gilford (I suspect a main branch of the root from Scotland)  and I know there are connections between the two.

The Uprichards were also from Townlands near Gilford - mostly in the Parish of Tullylish.

The Uprichard/Pentland connection that I know of is:

Thomas PENTLAND (1830 - 21 Aug 1891)
  b. 1830, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
  d. 21 Aug 1891, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
|   Jeremiah PENTLAND (1863 - )
|     b. 1863, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
|   & Mrs  PENTLAND
|   |   Robert Henry PENTLAND (1902 - )
|   |     b. 1902, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
|   |     d. Calgary Canada
|   |   & Lillian UPRICHARD
|   |     b. Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh
|   |     d. Calgary, Canada
|   |   |   son
|   |   James PENTLAND (1893 - )
|   |     b. 1893, Ballyworkan Portadown Armagh
|   |     d. Canada
|   |   Hugh PENTLAND (abt 1900 - )
|   |     b. abt 1900, Ballyworkan (Portadown)

I'd be delighted in anyone can offer me any refinements or additions to these folk?

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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 14 April 09 11:45 BST (UK)
Hi Colin,

This is the info I found on the family.  If you'd like I could send you more details and you could check out the info.

Roxanna


   1     John Pentland   b: in farmer  d: in Balllyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland   
               
.......   2     Thomas Pentland   b: 1830 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland   d: 21 Aug 1891 in Balllyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland                  
...........      +Martha Gibson   b: 1832 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, Ireland  m: 06 Feb 1851 in Portadown Church of Ireland, Lurgan, Armagh, N. Ireland   Father: Jeremiah Gibson      
................   3     James (Jim) Pentland                        
................   3     Jane Pentland      
                  
................   3     Maggie Ann Pentland b: 1854 in Ballyworkan, Armagh, N. Ireland   married Robert Kinney    d: 1887               
   
................   3     John Pentland   b: 1858 in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland   d: in Gortin married   +Susan Gardiner      ...............      
         *2nd Wife of John Pentland:   Allie Dermot   
                     
................   3     Elizabeth Mary Pentland   b: 1860 in Ballyworkan, Armagh, N. Ireland      
....................      +Unknown Murphy      
                  
................   3     Jeremiah Pentland   b: 1863 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, N. Ireland   d: in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland                  
....................      +Dinah Morrow   b: 1864 in Stranolar, County Donegal, Ireland   d: 1940 in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland m: 03 Sep 1889 in Portadown First Presbyterian Church,  Seagoe, Lurgan, Armagh, N. Ireland   Father: Isaac Morrow   Mother: Agnes Rafferty   

................   3     Martha Agnes Pentland   b: 12 Jun 1867 in Portadown, Armagh,  N. Ireland                     
....................      +Ralph Topley   b: Abt. 1865 in Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland                     

Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Tuesday 14 April 09 12:27 BST (UK)
Hi Roxanna

Long time no hear!

Nice work! Thanks for that I'll input it at the weekend.

Colin
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: RedRover on Sunday 26 April 09 00:12 BST (UK)
Hello all and to Gardenboffin:  Of the Scottish Pentland surname, I can locate no one name Richard, but there are many by the name William.  However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know.    When I visited "Drumcree" Church in 2002, the caretaker said some of the graves held multiple bodies of the same family or another family would take over a grave that was not "sponsored".  Headstones erode or crumble entirely only to be taken away as was the case for one of my/our Pentland ancestors.  I cannot find more records other than Thomas Pentland's marriage certificate of 1851 (to Martha Gibson) stating his father was John Pentland.  In the 1737 Tithes List there are no protestant householders in the Drumcree parish of 1740 named Pentland or it's derivatives.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Sunday 26 April 09 10:51 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thanks for that. All useful and valuable stuff.

Have you looked at the Pentland Wills on PRONI?

There are several there including Roberts, Johns and Williams. The index (FREE) shows some data of executors etc. Full copies can be ordered.

I can link several to my records!

Tullylish Churchyard (on both sides of the road!) has no stones for pentlands but when I was there in 2003 by chance I met the gent in charge and he showed me two old overlay plans of the cemeteries which showed who was where including old gaves since reused. I am sure most churchyards will have the same?

Colin P Y
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Sunday 26 April 09 12:13 BST (UK)
However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know.

There's an index and transcription of headstones at Mullavilly at http://www.bob-sinton.com/index.php - including some Pentlands. (The site generally relates to the Sinton family, but for Mullavilly there are records for many more (all?) names.) However, this transcript gives the William J Pentland inscription as 1963. My connection with Pentlands is a bit distant (via the Gibsons) so I can't really comment on which date is more likely to be correct.

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Sunday 26 April 09 12:24 BST (UK)
Thanks for your input RedRover.  Unfortunately for me, no relatives on this site seem to be part of our Pentland Family.  .. Other than Colin Y. have any info on
William John PENTLAND   b.12 Sept. 1854, Drumaran.  Parents Davis PENTLAND and Elizabeth KITCHEN.    There is a William John PENTLAND listed on the Quacker site wherever that is, as I have not been able to find it so cannot  have this confirmed.
Arthurk, your post has come through while I was typing.  Is it possible the burial of William J. PENTLAND 1863  at 'Mullavilly' church cemetery is the one we are looking for died at the age of 11. ??  Have  you any other details.?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Sunday 26 April 09 13:15 BST (UK)
Thanks for that site , arthur. I had a look and think that that particular William John PENTLAND is indeed a 1963 burial as Jessie underneath is 1970's.  I don't think it stated how old they were.




quote author=arthurk link=topic=150187.msg2509647#msg2509647 date=1240744388]
However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know.

There's an index and transcription of headstones at Mullavilly at http://www.bob-sinton.com/index.php - including some Pentlands. (The site generally relates to the Sinton family, but for Mullavilly there are records for many more (all?) names.) However, this transcript gives the William J Pentland inscription as 1963. My connection with Pentlands is a bit distant (via the Gibsons) so I can't really comment on which date is more likely to be correct.

Arthur
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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Sunday 26 April 09 14:18 BST (UK)
Arthurk, your post has come through while I was typing.  Is it possible the burial of William J. PENTLAND 1863  at 'Mullavilly' church cemetery is the one we are looking for died at the age of 11. ??  Have  you any other details.?

Sorry, no. Bob Sinton, the owner of the site I quoted, contacted me a couple of years or so ago to tell me about the transcripts of some Harcourt memorials in Mullavilly (my ancestors :)), but I haven't had any other contact with him and don't know any more about the data on the site.

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Sunday 26 April 09 15:33 BST (UK)
OK Arthur, I'll just keep on looking! 

Audrey
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: RedRover on Sunday 26 April 09 15:51 BST (UK)
Here is a photo of the long view of two Pentland plots in Mullavilly with the marker of which I was speaking for William of 1863 and for Jessie of 1973 in the background (the light gray site).  The darker site, in the foreground is also Pentland of Ballyworkan, but with more recent dates (John S. died 1999 age 66; Annie died 1950 age 46; and Thomas Henry died 1983 age 91).  Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates.

In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath).

There may be more markers at Mullavilly, but my sister lost her photo disk !!
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Sunday 26 April 09 17:11 BST (UK)
Yes, thanks for that.

I know that there were Pentland Friends at Moyallan too.

My Gt Gt Grandfather Robert Pentland of Hoope Hill, Lurgan married an Ester or Hester who it seems was either a Sifton/Sefton or Sinton at Tullylish in 1855? I suspect his first wife, Anne Elizabeth, may have passd away at some time after their two children Joseph George (1851) and Isabella Jane (1853) were born. Any info?

Anne Elizabeth is herself a mystery - the marriage record shows she was Anne Beatty/ie nee McLelland which LDS has taken as gospel without proving who she was!

Colin
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Monday 27 April 09 13:07 BST (UK)
Hello, Red Rover,  Yes a printing error somewhere?
The grave stone definitely says  1863.    Have not been able to find  his death yet on any of the sites.  Is there a place I can write to for details of this William J. Pentland. The cemetary management? or similar?
Audrey.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: RedRover on Monday 27 April 09 13:37 BST (UK)
Hello Audrey (and hello Colin I did get your kind email thanks!) I have had similar trouble locating records for birth and deaths.  I don't believe the church records have been transcribed for Drumcree, Mullavilly, Seagoe or the 1st and 2nd Presbyterian or Methodist congregations in Portadown.  I spoke once with the caretaker at Drumcree and he said it was a good idea to transcribe the records and record the markers in case they are damaged over time, but who will do it?   I briefly thought about spending a summer in Portadown entering records into a database, lovely pipe dream!  It never hurts to write to the church in Mullavilly and ask, particularly now that you have a photo of Pentland markers in their cemetary, or you contact the Armash Ancestry Center to hire someone to do research.  Just keep chipping away at it.
Alison
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 28 April 09 02:32 BST (UK)
Hi Alison,

If you are the Alison of AFP, who has been researching Pentlands in Drumcree and Seagoe, can I ask if you have a George Pentland married to a Jane/Jennie Anderson in your line.

They were married at Drumgor abt 1822.  George and Jane soon moved to Derrykeevan in Tartaraghan Parish.    His father was Alexander and his mother was Elizabeth abt 1768-1848. 

Thanks,
Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Alegou on Friday 24 July 09 15:12 BST (UK)
Red Rover, I presume that the Annie Pentland you mentioned below, last paragraph,  is the wife of George Pentland, married in 1852 at Mullavilly CI. Ann's maiden name was Miller and George's father was also called George. I also rather presume that the Fredrick mentioned was the son of James PENDLETON and Ann Gilmour who were married in 1854, father of James was also called George. Presume also that George and James were brothers, despite the recorded surname difference..
I also have photographs of those gravestones although not as good as yours. If Northern Ireland is known for its dull days then there were none duller on the day I visited Mullavilly graveyard.

David

"Here is a photo of the long view of two Pentland plots in Mullavilly with the marker of which I was speaking for William of 1863 and for Jessie of 1973 in the background (the light gray site).  The darker site, in the foreground is also Pentland of Ballyworkan, but with more recent dates (John S. died 1999 age 66; Annie died 1950 age 46; and Thomas Henry died 1983 age 91).  Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates.

In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath)."
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard
Post by: KatC on Friday 24 July 09 21:21 BST (UK)
There is a baptism at Seagoe Parish May 29, 1825 (possibly 24th)  for Thomas, son of John and Jane Pendleton who lived in McKaughley with George Gardiner as one of the sponsors.  Possibly this is the Thomas being mentioned as born 1830.

This townland might become  CrossMcKaughley and then  Crossmacahilly, anyone know??  John and Alexander m. Rachel are there in Griffith's.

Also, does anyone have information on the Lillian Uprichard.  There is a 1 year old Lillie in the 1901 census.  William John Uprichard 41  farmer Co Down  Mary Ann 38  Co Down  Mary Eliza 17 Armagh,  Samuel 16 Armagh, James 6   Armagh Ellen Jane 4Armagh  Lillie 1 Armagh of Tamnifiglasson , Co Armagh  with parents born in Co Down.  Is this the lady?  Was brother Robert older or younger? 
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Saturday 25 July 09 11:52 BST (UK)
Hello Guys

Ken... is the snow over and the land to wet for the bike yet? Happy to see you are still IN to Gen! Todays papers tell us the Royal Wills will no longer be locked so I should be able to see Prince Francis Will at last which may slve my Nahneen & Algorta parentage questions!

Kat - et al.. take car with the Pentleton/Pendleton espec in North west Down - there are several pentland baptisms and marriages where the priest 'got the name wrong'.

The majority of my Pentlands at that time were in County Down in Tullylish Parish, espec in Tullylish, Gilford (not act a Townland) and Drumaran Townlands. Some moved to and from Banbridge and married partners from that town. Some were in nearby Tullyrain too and some in Lurgan, only a few miles north and accross the border in County Armagh. Between Lurgan and Armagh City there are more Pentlands at Portadown andand the Seagoe cemetery is full of the family. Crossmacahilly is a Townland in Seagoe Parish, see Bob Sintons maps at http://www.bob-sinton.com/maps2/map4.php

Uprichard is a well established Tullylish family and when I was there in 2004 there was a senior male member still alive and living in a grandhouse near the riverside and Tullylish Church. My info (always ready to be corrected suggests:

Jeremiah PENTLAND (1863 - )
  b. 1863, Ballyworkan (Portadown), Co. Armagh, Ireland
& Mrs Jeremiah P
|   James PENTLAND (1893 - )
|     b. 1893, Ballyworkan Portadown, Co. Armagh, Ireland
|     d. Canada
|   Hugh PENTLAND (abt 1900 - )
|     b. abt 1900, Ballyworkan, (Portadown) Co. Armagh, Ireland
|   Robert Henry PENTLAND (1902 - )
|     b. 1902, Ballyworkan, (Portadown), Co. Armagh, Ireland
|     d. Calgary Canada
|   & Lillian UPRICHARD
|     b. Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh
|     d. Calgary, Canada
|   |   *

Since this Lillians husband was born 1902 its pretty safe to assume Lillians birth at about the same time so iut is probably the same family - the Townland is probably Tamnafiglassan which is close to Kernan and Drumnagoon were there are other Pentlands.


Does any of this help?

Colin
I have a bundle of in that area

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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Alegou on Saturday 25 July 09 21:37 BST (UK)
So if the name changed so much then  that might mean that the John Pendleton who married a Judith Brownlee in Mullavilly CI in 1845 was really a Pentland. One of the witnesses at the wedding was called Thomas Babe and there was also a Thomas Babe who was also a witness at a William Pendleton/Sarah Robinson marriage in 1862  at Mullavilly CI, although in this particular instance William Pendleton, unlike the above,  came from Gilford in Co. Down. And then of course there was a Sarah Pentland who married a John Babe at Mullavilly CI in 1848 and then  they went to live in Gilford, Co. Down.
You could ask the question what came first Pentland or Pendleton or Gilford or Mullavilly.

David
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Sunday 26 July 09 16:26 BST (UK)
Yes, Dave, I believe you are correct, there are Babe /Petland connections too. One of my correspondents (another (?) David) is in to that family.

As to the chicken and egg situation I positively invite you to look for historical Pendletons in the British Isles! I fear you will find none but if you look for history on Pentlands you will find there are of course important place names in Scotland including our name and there is historic evidence for the family back to Orkney in viking times... but then you knew that.

ERGO the subsets are mostly due to priestly reluctance to check what they are told or to trust their Birth/Marriage/Death informants information or simple misspelling or poor hearing or failure to decipher the accent.

If you look at the body of Pentland evidence in Ireland it is evident that they came from the east (Scotland mostly) and settled ibncreasingly in an westerly direction. There must be a Pentland who was born in the Banbridge, Lurgan, Armagh City triangle, possibly around Gilford or in the Parish of Tullylish, at or about 1740 who was the father of some of those children who were born around there between 1765 and 1810. A helpful friend with access to LDS 'suggested'it was a George William Pentland and his wife Mary Alison Armor Graham. I have never been that comfortable with this couples bona fideis. I think my friens was being 'over helpful' - they soon after, appeared on LDS as the parents of John Pentland (my 4Xgt grandfather) and Mary Pentland, mother of John Pentland Draney, said to be the 5th most senior leader of the Mormons. I may be over suspicious, but...

Colin
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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: downpatrick on Monday 21 September 09 22:08 BST (UK)
Good morning,

Jeremiah Pentland (b. 1863) and Dinah Morrow (b. 1864) were the parents of James Pentland (b. 1893) as per Colin V's tree below. However the comment "d. Canada" isn't quite right. He did originally go to Canada with his brother and enlisted in the Canadian army, but he came back to Portadown to get married and stayed there. He had three children: Muriel, Gordon and Evelyn. He died in Portadown in 1960 or 1961.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Monday 21 September 09 22:36 BST (UK)
Thats realy useful and appreciated

Thanks

Colin Y
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: legal_translator on Wednesday 21 October 09 11:24 BST (UK)
I was very interesting to see the various Pentland postings and have just joined RootsChat to be able to post my query. I know very little about my Pentland ancestors, as I have never managed to do research locally.

My great grandmother Harriet Campbell (b. 1852 Woolwich) was the daughter of Joseph Campbell and Mary Pentland. The father came from Drumcree and I presume the mother did too (or from that area).

According to the census, Mary Pentland was born in 1820. Her husband Joseph Campbell, born about 1823, joined the Royal Artillery in 1847. Their first child was born about 1842 so they must have married in about 1841. Their other children were Mary Ann, Elizabeth, James, Joseph and Margaret.

So if anyone has a record of a Mary Pentland born 1820 who could be my ancestor I would be very grateful to find out more information on her family, to take the line back further if possible.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Monday 16 November 09 03:54 GMT (UK)
Hi

I was in Christchurch NZ last week visiting the grave of my Great Aunt when I saw an Uprichard grave nearby.

I took a photo.... any interest?

Colin
Title: Pentland Ballyworkan
Post by: RedRover on Monday 28 December 09 00:59 GMT (UK)
Hey Roxanna:  I noted several references to Alexander Pentland/Pentleton.

remember at this time "freeholder" meant you could vote

Barony of O'Neiland-West-Registered Freeholders - Page 39
No 1819
Freeholder Pentleton, Alexander
Place of Abode Ballyworkin
Name of Landlord Mr. Bennison [my note that there is a Bennison Pentland later on in this place]
Names and Lives or other Tenure:  Alexander, John & George Pentleton
Date of Registry 19 Novr 1818
---
1826
Elector's Name Pendleton, Alexander
Place of Abode Ballyworkin
Parish Drumcree
Observations:  [note: much is illegible to me, but] "No registry or certificate produced although required [note:if you could not produce this you could not vote] and that ----- asked for whom he voted he stated Brownlow not withstanding ---- his vote is ---- for Mr Verner  ... rejected [note: his vote was, in any case, rejected]
---
Application to Register Freehold - June 1829
No 785
Alex Pentland
Ballyworkan
[does not show whether it was registered or rejected]
----
I am not sure how my Thomas Pentland got his land in Ballyworkan, but I know that one of his son's , Jeremiah, inherited from his Uncle William Gibson.  I am still looking for "where" & "when" father Thomas and kids includ Jeremiah were born, just assuming all the kids were born in Ballyworkan since their mom and dad were married there.  So I am following the Ballyworkan trail and found the early reference to Alexander, John & George.


Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Tuesday 29 December 09 00:13 GMT (UK)
Compliments of the season to all. I'm back in  the UK momentarily (too cold to stay long) and busy adding to my Pentland archive. Once again toying with the mystery of the Midlothian connection with Ireland which founded the Pentland colony there from which so many Pentland families in the Americas are descended. Reading the latest contributions I am motivated to share a couple of thoughts.

I see the Armor name mentioned in earlier posts; are contributors aware of the close connection between the Pentland and Armor, Armour,  Armer families in Gilmerton and Lasswade, so close I would be prepared to bet there is only one line which anyone using both names together could have come from?

The origins of the Blackhall Pentlands have often been speculated upon and I assume (stupid thing to do) that everyone is aware that one of the few authenticated grants of Pentland Arms was made to a member of that family - almost certainly connecting him to a Pentland family in Perth Scotland. I am gathering information on that connection prior to some research in NAS in the New Year so if anyone can add to the knowledge base their help would be very welcome.

On the origins of the Pentland name I have serious doubts about the claimed Viking connection. Most evidence points to the name being geonimic and originating in the Pentland Hills. There is no need to repeat the scholarly views of the roots of the names in North, South West and Eastern Scotland, they have been sufficiently well aired in the past.

As for the so called septs they are, so far as I can see, all related to attempts by parish clerks to spell unfamiliar names which were said to them by illiterate parishioners and sometimes by clerks who were none too well educated themselves. There are examples of more that one spelling (Paintland and Pentland for example) being used within one generation of a single family in a single parish.

In my research I have found only a couple of significant groups of Pentlands in Scotland whose line has not yet been traced back to Midlothian; Berwickshire and Fife being the examples I have in mind. If anyone knows of others I would be very interested to hear about them.

This idea is probably not new but has anyone considered developing an invitation only forum for Pentland researchers which includes access to a private online tree? Posting all of one's research online has more than one obvious downside but continual repetition of known and proven information does not add to knowledge instead it delays further research.

Such a shared tree would also enable the correction of many mistakes regularly taken as fact because they are repeated online and in print. An excellent example would be the George E. Pentland book which includes much excellent material about the Canadian and American branches of his family but makes the connection back to Carrington based on easily refuted claims about Canongate Coachmasters and Burntisland boatmen. Despite this, because the book was written by a schoolmaster and published it is often taken as Holy writ.

Such a forum may also develop a level of knowledge and expertise on matters Pentland that it could eventually do more than simply refute childish claims of chieftainship and annul ambitions armigerous. We are about to embark on a new decade, let's make it a positive and fruitful one in taking forward the story of the Pentland family.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 29 December 09 02:20 GMT (UK)
Happy Holidays Red Rover and thank you for the information.
I am especially interested in the Alexander Pentland/Pendleton name you offered, as I am trying to locate an Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland from the Seagoe Parish area, probably born between 1770 and 1780, and who are the parents of George Pentland who moved from Drumgor to Derrykeevan.  Is there anyway to determine if the George Pentland you refer to in 1818 is still there in 1829?  The George Pentland in my line appears to have moved to Derrykeevan before 1830. 

And Worldlywanderer, I think a posting of trees online, and sharing information should be considered.   It holds the potential to be very productive for anyone researching Pentlands out of the North Ireland area, and may lead to establishing a link to Scotland.  Any ideas how it could be accomplished?

Best,
Roxanna
Title: Pentland
Post by: RedRover on Tuesday 29 December 09 04:19 GMT (UK)
Hey Roxanna:  Further to my post, it is not clear from the Freeholder's list I talked about as to whether John and George are children or "other" in relation to Alexander, but I noted there is no female person mentioned in his lives list...
 so if John & George are children, the mother is perhaps deceased?
as for potential mothers ...
 there is an Alexander Pentland marriage to "Eliza McWatters" 1826, listed in Co Down  perhaps a second wife?
there is (in the Belfast Registry 1810 Volume 4) a reference of a marriage in Banbridge of a Mr Alexander Pentland to a Miss Murney, perhaps the first wife?
but although the townlands are close by, I am going to work the the Ballyworkan thing.  I don't know why Alexander did not continue in Ballyworkan, but I noted in the Freeholder's list Proni D/1928/F/99 that his vote for a candidate was rejected because he did not produce a "certificate" for his land - it appears that he was also voting for the "other" candidate (the one who did not win, at least that year).  Ah got to love a mystery.  Let me know if you find anything else or perhaps we can fly to Drumcree or Seagoe or Mullavilly for that matter and scour the records together for Pentland!
Title: Re: Pentland
Post by: Colin Y on Tuesday 29 December 09 11:24 GMT (UK)
Aha! Some determination, clarity perhaps and ways forward! I like it!

I hope you all had a great Christmas... perhaps that and the new decade ahead are what prompts ideas of greater mutual working.

I am all in favour. There is a private Pentland Tree on Ancestry which I have been involved with and am an invited member to, though I am not a member of Ancestry. I dont suggest we go there!

I am looking at logging the movements of some of my families, perhaps on Google Earth. Anyone got any expertise they would be willing to share? It might link nicely with what you suggest. I spent 8 weeks in the S Hem in Sept - Nov 09, meeting my NZ and Oz Pentlands all of whom would I feel sure want to join in... ;-)?

I have tried a yahoo group but it wouldnt be of much use for what is described. However I have another correspondent who is using a potentially promising approach on the www which is neither machine dependant nor open. It provides a tree and a database linked. I'll look it up and relate back what I can. Security is vital, as ever, isnt it?

Can we usefully establish a chat link of some kind? Google or Skype perhaps?

I do like the concept of Pentland being derived from Pict - land, and the P Hils, Firth and Forth are surely too spread geographically to be named for a person whereas a people might claim them and thus have named them or recognition/association may hgave made the names obvious and common usage made them permanent? I dont think we can or should totally discount the viking tale. There may be an element of truth in it and again Orkney was an area inhabited by Pictish people... wasnt it? So Pict-land and a later illiterate vicar (or 3!) or a 'bror scootish/gallic' speaker may each have given us our name... as well as a dozen others we can read in the Ulster records - Pencaitland, Pentlon, Penland, Pendleton all occur and in some cases can be seen to be scribish errors even in the 19th C.

Open minds are what we need - no closed doors. Corroboration without reinventing the wheeel? Perhaps we ought to start with a SWAT analysis to clear up some focus of what our strengths are - People (us), places (where we are), Time (that we have), Expertise (Platforms), Knowledge (of the who's, the where's and when's). Otherwise we could end up duplicating existing data or work.

I would suggest that Google might be the right place to start. I could set up a Google address which we could all have the address and password for? We could chat there and send one another data via that address. It would thus provide a level of privacy which we can keep in our own hands by only giving the address and p/w to those who agree to keep what we share there private and not to publish...?

What do you think guys?

Colin
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Tuesday 29 December 09 13:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Folks,

the discussion of our semi-mythical roots can wait for later as I see there is support for the idea of a web based group which is potentially much more important. There are a couple of places I've looked which might be useful - Tribal pages springs to mind as one. It may even be that we think outside the box and look at establishing a private network on Facebook, Bebo or some-such so called "social networking" site. There is a genealogy database programme I've seen which might be useful but it apparently requires the agreement of the server owner to use it as  it requires the up;load of a programme to the web site - google - phpgedview.sourceforge.net for more information. Cyndi's List may also produce sime ideas.

I'm not too familiar with the intricacies of Rootsweb but isn't what we are trying to do what they are all about? A presence here is important, as is one on Genes Reunited, simply because they are easiest to find and we need to be found since out there may be people with valuable information. If it were possible to have something like a private room where information could be exchanged without running the risk of it being hijacked then I'd be all for basing ourselves here.

The big problem is that we may share some genealogy research experience but perhaps not thhe experience or motivation to get it with rapidly developing technology which is certainly outside my comfort zone - My kids bought an ipod and digital camera for Alison and I this Christmas and she bought me a Kindle so we are fully electronically equipped for our next trip (Africa) if I ever master how to use them all. The trouble is the amount of time that takes is horrifying - I'd rather read a sixteenth century will!

I like the Skype idea too but couldn't that be integrated with the facebook type site, particularly if we could co-ordinate times for live discussion - I'd be able to participate wherever our travels take us - even with a webcam, thanks to my mini travel computer which after a year I have discovere dhow to turn on. What we need is a genealogically curious techy.

An example of the freedom such a system would provide is with certain research I've done which i simply will not reveal on a public site as it would open the floodgates for stupid assumptions and make objective use of the material much more difficult. in a private arena with trustworthy collaborators I would take a totally different view.
Title: Pentland
Post by: RedRover on Tuesday 29 December 09 14:54 GMT (UK)
I have mixed feelings about the issue of privacy.  I agree that privacy must be maintained for the "living".  I also know that access to records that have been most valuable and meeting 'cousins', however distant along the tree or geographically based, has been as a direct result of open records, open forum, open trees etc etc etc.  This makes privacy problematic.  The platform we are seeking must then reflect the boundaries that we are willing to agree to as a collective, not as an individual.  Things like do we use our real names, are we obliged to do look ups or research for fellow members in our own locale, what is the cost of maintaining the site, what are the rules for sharing information that we consider 'personal', how do we decide who can join, who is willing to moderate (decide the difference between a good or bad controversy and/or flaming) or or give tech support.  Most importantly, what is our goal or philosophy: to trudge the paths of our ancestors in an effort to link ourselves to family and to history and to flesh out the stories, documents and photos to be shared with future generations.

Speaking for myself, I have been a member of both paid and unpaid sites for many years.  Most of the "information and the "contacts", I have enjoyed have been through ancestry.ca and .uk, roots, LDS Family History Library, Griffiths, PRONI, etc

For my nickle, I would like to see how we could use sites *like* ancestry because they are user-friendly and willing to expand the genre.  Let's face this fact, as new records become available, genealogy sites like ancestry will provide the technology to let patrons add-to, link and cross link the records.  Moreover, anyone 'new' researching is going to hit the big sites at one time or another for a free trial and it will be our duty to bring them into the fold for general Pentland intro, exchange, education and to support them in their search because... eventually one individual's energy and their family search will pull the final thread between Ireland and Scotland.

The other best nickle I have spent is taking online course(s) through the National Institute for Genealogical Studies in partnership with the University of Toronto (Ontario, Canada).  The basic course support analysis, record keeping, electronic and paper sources, methodology, but most important to me it stresses the need for proper sourcing.  Sourcing allows other people to review the record and to decide for themselves whether it has merit.  Hey, I am an anthropologist so truths to me are subjective!! Further sourcing gives proper attention to those who did the work or those who maintain the right to certain original property such as family photos etc.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Tuesday 29 December 09 15:22 GMT (UK)
I concur with the view that there is need for a public face, my concern is that untried research is so often taken as fact and then repeated with the resultant muddying of the waters which causes no end of problems.

The issues of who moderates, supports and maintains a site are important and must be settled before a group will become viable. If there is a way to develop a more substantial presence with the opportunity for private discussion and transfer of information before publication on this or a similar site then using these resources makes sense.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 29 December 09 16:01 GMT (UK)
I have a distant cousin, from the Symington side, who introduced me to this site,  My Heritage.com which she uploaded her tree on.  One can make the tree open or private.  It seems to offer features such as monthly notifications of additions to the tree.  Pictures can be uploaded, etc.  Here is a link.  Folks could check it out for themselves. 

http://www.myheritage.com/blogs/companyblog/2009/04/news/myheritage-is-the-most-popular

It will be important to make sure that the site allows multiple access for uploading of information, etc.

Related to the ongoing discussion, I have found Ancestry.com to be a valuable source of information.  However, the family trees don't seem to be accessible if you don't have a membership, which makes me reluctant to go in that direction.  I have never explored uploading a tree on Rootsweb, but it seems they are a totally free site... however I don't know if they take photos, etc....

Again, it seems valuable to create opportunities to share information, as it allows the work and experience of all the researchers to be available, rather than each of us working in isolation. 

Best,
Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Tuesday 29 December 09 16:15 GMT (UK)
Hi RedRover,

Thanks again.  I was able to obtain a death certificate for a daughter of George Pentland (who had moved from Drumgor to Derrykeevan).  On the death certificate her mother was listed as Jane or Jennie Anderson.  So I have been hoping to find a record of the marriage of George Pentland and Jane/Jennie Anderson taking place about 1822 in Drumgor or thereabouts.

 George's parents were Alexander and Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) Pentland.  Listed below are birth records for some children born to the couple, though the George of our line is not included..

Elizabeth daughter to Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland, Drumgor, baptised 07 Sep 1801
John son to Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland, Drumgor, baptised 22 Jan 1804
John son to Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland, Drumgor, baptised 14 Jun 1807
Samuel son to Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland, Drumgor, baptised 26 Aug 1810

If any of these names are recognized, please let me know.  It seems my earliest starting location is to be looking for Pentlands from Drumgor, in the early 1800s....

Thanks,
Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Tuesday 29 December 09 17:42 GMT (UK)
Its moving ahead but..

My experience with LDS and, i am afraid with Ancestry, has not been good. I'm afraid that any move to publish, especially there would be without me. Happy to supply details and evidence offline, if required.

Identity theft is a growing problem. We should not make ity easier for the criminals and however we see our duty to future generations (something as a recently retired Uni lecturer I do have some record of commitment to!) its not a good idea to expose our hard won data now, nor would it be in their interest.

We all have some skills, time or locational advantages. What we need is to find a way to share them in an even handed way without taking advantage and while protecting one another and our families interests.

Please folks, neither should we commit to a commercial site which may at a later date change its rules to open our data to others.

- Genes Reunited could be good. A new membership with more than one of us able to access it would work but wil it allow more than one access at any one time? It wont import ged files so a lot of typing will be required?

- The PHP approach looks worth considering.

- If we all had GMail we could chat there as well as mail one another far more securely than even here ;-) Who wants an invitation?

Colin
PS WW... I took 2500+ digital photos and downloaded every night to my MacBook uploading to Picasa when an online access was available all over Oz & NZ (Starbucks is ideal but NO granola bars!) so the grandkids got what we took asap as well as the GPS references! IT rocks... even better than SLRs ;-)

Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 29 December 09 18:04 GMT (UK)
Website
I posted in this thread soon after it started and have been following it ever since. I don't have a direct Pentland connection, so I'm happy for the rest of you to make decisions on where/how to create a web presence, but I do have a bit of experience of websites etc.

First, Rootsweb is completely free, though pages have Ancestry banner ads. There are a number of options there: I think it's possible to upload a GEDCOM and have pages generated automatically (or has this facility now been transferred to Ancestry?), but my experience there is with Freepages, where any kind of FH site can be uploaded. You can see mine by clicking the globe on the left of this message.

Freepages sites can include guest books, but they are rather prone to spamming. For a while I tried having a blog for people to comment in, but there was very little interest (and a lot of spam to deal with) so I gave it up. Rootsweb don't host blogs, so this had to be elsewhere.

Another possibility would be to get some webspace, either free (with ads) or paid for. I have a personal site with Relichost for a very reasonable fee; I'm currently using it for a photo gallery, but I could if I wished upload a similar site to my Rootsweb one, and host a blog or mailing list or my own forum. phpgedview might be a possibility as well, but I haven't looked into it.

I've also read good reports of Tribal Pages, and I understand there are various options for public/private access.

I wonder if it might in the end come down to a combination of sites (at least to begin with, as experience might help in clarifying what is needed), depending on exactly how you see the project developing:
Is the tree to be a definitive one that is open to the public? If so, I suggest that one person only (and a reserve) has access to it, who will incorporate everyone else's research.
If it's to be a collaborative tree that anyone can work on, then the Tribal Pages approach might be good, but I don't know if TP includes any discussion tools as well.

Some kind of blog or forum seems to me a fairly essential part of the venture, either as part of the whole package or standalone. There are a number of collaborative web-based family tree packages available - Google brings up My Heritage, Geni and Famiva to name a few, and I've no doubt there will be many more - and it may be worth investigating how well these would fit the bill. Could someone do this, with the aim of producing a shortlist of definite options?

Arthur
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Alegou on Tuesday 29 December 09 20:01 GMT (UK)
Here is a gmail account. Starts familypentland etc.

How would it work. We all have the password  or/then send emails to the address or leave any information we have in drafts. Quite happy to let people have the password. More than happy to 'upload' the information I have, marriage details, witnesses etc.

Just mail familypentland.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Sunday 03 January 10 16:27 GMT (UK)
... back for a moment to the real purpose of this thread - I took this photo in New Zealand in November kmnowing that there is an Uprichard/Pentland connection.

Does anyone have any idea who Robert Uprichard was?

Colin
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Monday 04 January 10 10:56 GMT (UK)
We use 'My Heritage' This is a free page. and once signed in comments can be made.
We have only the Gippsland Pentlands on this site beginning from Co. Armagh.  :)
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Monday 04 January 10 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Garden Boffin

If I had known you were there I could have dropped in to see you when I was on the Princes Highway... are you in touch with Audrey in Orbost? She is a Pentland Descendant.

Can you proffer the url of the My Hertage site you mention please?

Colin
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Alegou on Monday 04 January 10 20:56 GMT (UK)
I have been looking over some old notes of mine that I made a couple of years ago when I was at PRONI.

Pentlands do not really figure too much in my research. I am connected to George Pentland from Drumnakelly, near Mullavilly in County Armagh, early 19th century and I really do not have much to go on as far as research is concerned.

Anyway the scribbled and now faded notes say the following, please forgive if this is information already known by most of us here.

James, son of Henry and Deborah Pentland, born 27th? March 1823.
David born 4th March 1828, son of John and Ann Pentland, Mullahead, John a farmer.
Elizabeth Catherine Jane?, born 15th June 1827, parents Willian and Rebecca.

Last a Pentleton, Marianne, born 1838?, father George, Drum??

Anybody who has been at PRONI will know how difficult it is to read the films. Also, if you are like me, time is always short and the desire to learn as much as possible in as less time as possible does not always lend itself to the most accurate of information gathering.

Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Floridadream on Wednesday 07 April 10 02:23 BST (UK)
Has been a while since I posted to any board.  Seeking to share information on Armagh born Pentland families, particularly around Ballyworkan.  I have photos of related and maybe-related family burials stones in Drumcree, Seagoe, and Mullavilly.

Other Armagh lines Uprichard, Morrow, Gibson, Dermot, Gardiner.

Also, I have alpha index of names for Pentland (and similar) for Scotland, Mid-Lothian Christening, Births and Marriages 1600-1800's.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Floridadream on Wednesday 07 April 10 02:49 BST (UK)
Here is a photo of the long view of two Pentland plots in Mullavilly with the marker of which I was speaking for William of 1863 and for Jessie of 1973 in the background (the light gray site).  The darker site, in the foreground is also Pentland of Ballyworkan, but with more recent dates (John S. died 1999 age 66; Annie died 1950 age 46; and Thomas Henry died 1983 age 91).  Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates.

In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath).

There may be more markers at Mullavilly, but my sister lost her photo disk !!

There are still Pentlands living in Ballyworkan. Mullavilly is the family parish.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: gardenboffin on Wednesday 07 April 10 13:38 BST (UK)
I noticed on the Ross Davis site that there is a   'David Pentland died 1912'  . Does anyone have more info on this Pentland?  I am hoping that it could actually be Davis Pentland  of Bainbridge born about 1825, Drumcree.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: JANtoes on Monday 31 May 10 14:58 BST (UK)
Hi, can anybody help me please? My Pentlands are originally from Ireland, but I am unsure where abouts? They are living in liverpool on the 1841 census so not sure when they moved from Ireland? They are Alexander Pentland born abt 1765 his son James Pentland abt 1821 and his daughter Margaret abt 1823. If anybody can give me any info I would be a very happy bunny! Jan x
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Colin Y on Monday 31 May 10 20:46 BST (UK)
Hi Gardenboffin (?)

The Pentlands were Scots Irish who lived in Ireland, mostly in Ulster but originated from Midlothian. Their history is fascinating.

However the only Alexander P I know of, mentioned as born c1760, is Roxannas relly - see elsewhere on this site.

There are James's in Liverpool and Birkenhead, one born c 1820 in Ireland, a Blacksmith but no Margaret con ection.

Could they be the ones who went to New Brunswick, Canada?

Colin Pentland Y
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Planters on Monday 04 June 12 11:08 BST (UK)
... Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates...

In the time which has passed since this post has anyone identifed which of the two flanking plots relatesvto this urn?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Planters on Monday 04 June 12 11:20 BST (UK)
the W. H. who died in 1916 is surely the son of George Pentland and Ann O'Hara.

In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath).

that said I am puzzled by the second post which appears to suggest there was a second William Henry who died in action during 1916, mother Ann Miller. The problem with this is that the CWGC site has only one W. H. Pentland who died in 1916 - can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy?

Trying to trace the parents of a John Pentland, father James, who married an Anne Pentland in 1886. Both bride and groom came from Drumnakelly in Co. Armagh so rather presume that they were cousins.

One of the witnesses at the wedding was a Thomas George Pentland and as his father was called James, presume that he was John’s brother.

John Pentland was a soldier so perhaps it is not surprising that I can find no trace of him or his family in the census of 1901 and 1911. He may well have been stationed abroad.

Ann’s father was called George and I thought perhaps that she was the child of a George Pentland married to an Anne Miller in 1852, Mullavilly in County Armagh.

Another Pentland soldier also had a father called George, mother also called Ann.
Although his death at the age of 45 in 1916 (see below) would rather indicate that he was a son of George and Ann O’Hara because there is a record of them having a son called William who was born in 1871.


See this  record, 

“Private William Henry Pentland (Married Mary Anne Whitten, (see Carrowbrack 1911 Irish census) 17982, 9th Bn., Royal Irish Fusiliers, who was killed in action during an attack on the village of Beaumont-Hamel on 1 July 1916, aged 45, on the opening day of the Battle of the Somme.  He was born in Aldershot, Hants, the son of George and Ann Pentland, Ballylisk, and he lived at Mary Street, Portadown.
He is buried in Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel, the Somme, and his name is remembered on a headstone in Mullavilly Parish Churchyard, and on the Portadown War Memorial and on the Tandragee War Memorial.”

Rather interesdingly if you search the 1881 census for England you will find more than one Irish born Pentland who had military connections.


If there was only one W. H. Pentland does that mean the other marker mentioned above is the grave of George Pentland and Ann O'Hara?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: kiap on Thursday 07 June 12 12:42 BST (UK)
Hi Red Rover (and others)
This is about all we know of the family of my ggrandfather William PENTLAND. Any chance you recognise any names?

1.  RICHARD PENTLAND married Mary Ann DAVIS at United Church of England, Ireland. It is thought that Richard and Mary lived in County Armagh, North Ireland, that one is buried in Armagh and one buried in Belfast, and that there were relatives in Tandragee, North Ireland.
Parents or grandparents or ancestors migrated from Gilmerton, a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills, Scotland.
He and Mary Ann DAVIS lived on 6 Dec 1829 at Drumnakelly, Armagh Co., North Ireland, at the time of son William's baptism, Richard a weaver.
He and Mary Ann DAVIS lived on 11 Dec 1831 at Drumnakelly, Armagh Co., North Ireland, at the time of son Davis's baptism, Richard recorded as a weaver. In 1858 at Annagh townland, Drumcree parish, Armagh Co, North Ireland, The Griffith Valuation recorded a Richard Pentland leasing a house and small garden from Mary Totten (who leased it and others from the Duke of Manchester), annual rateable valuation of 1 pound 10 shillings.
The four children of Richard PENTLAND and Mary Ann DAVIS were as follows:
    2.   i.   WILLIAM PENTLAND. was born on 2 Jun 1829 at ?, County Armagh, Ireland, (his Marriage Certificate gives 1830, the family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Baptism records suggest 1829).
       ii.   CHARLOTTE PENTLAND was born circa 1830.
       iii.   SARAH PENTLAND was born in 1830 at Ireland.
    3.   iv.   DAVIS PENTLAND was baptized on 11 Dec 1831 at Church of Ireland, Drumcree, Armagh Co., North Ireland.

2   William Pentland migrated to Australia in 1852. He was followed in 1853 by Eliza EWING(S), a Presbyterian domestic servant of County Armagh born c1835, married in 1854. (Have documented 2,500 children & spouses)

3.  DAVIS PENTLAND. That this Davis is a brother of William is assumed from baptism records - father Richard, mother Mary Ann, of Drumnakelly - with the presumption that his given name reflects his mother's surname.
He was baptized on 11 Dec 1831 at Church of Ireland, Drumcree, Armagh Co., North Ireland; surname recorded as PEDLETON. He married Elizabeth KITCHEN, daughter of Robert KITCHEN, on 8 Apr 1853 at Church of Ireland, Banbridge, Tullylish, Down, Ireland. He died before 1861 when wife Elizabeth remarried.
ELIZABETH KITCHEN was born in 1834 at Mullabrack, Tullylish, Down, Ireland. She married George NEIL on 14 Jul 1861 at Seagoe, Armagh, Ireland.
The only child of Davis PENTLAND and Elizabeth KITCHEN was:
       i.   WILLIAM JOHN PENTLAND was born on 12 Sep 1854 at Drumaran, Tullylish, Down, Ireland.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Thursday 07 June 12 14:59 BST (UK)
May I first make a couple of tiny observations:

It is unusual to see recognition of the union of the episcopal churches in Ireland which survived for almost seven decades in the nineteenth century. The church, called the United Church of England and Ireland, was formed by the fifth article of the Treaty of Union 1800 then separated by the 1869 Irish Church Act and disestablished from January 1st 1871. If you are aware of the church which married Richard Pentland and Mary Ann Davis have you seen the record and does it give either a proclamation or marriage date?

You mention that parents, grandparents or ancestors migrated from Gilmerton "a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills". Gilmerton is certainly near Swanston but I have never seen it described in that way before which makes me enquire the source?. I would agree it is highly likely that all of the Pentlands in Ireland came originally from the Pentland Hills near Edinburgh but would suggest the migration was more likely to have been as part of the plantation than in the late eighteenth or early nineteenth centuries.

May I commend your research in identifying 2500 descendants of this couple, it must have been quite a journey!

Your suggestion that Richard Pentland and Mary Ann Davis were buried as far apart as Armagh and Belfast is a new one to me, may I enquire upon what evidence it is based?

You mention a family bible which could be an invaluable source in view of the scarcity of Irish birth, baptism and marriage records. It would be very helpful to see a scan as sometimes local knowledge can enable one person to extract information from original documents in ways which are meaningless to another. I happen to be in Ireland and plan to visit relatives in Portadown shortly and would be delighted to try to discover more if that might be helpful.

My understanding is that William Pentland's marriage certificate is an Australian document which means the date taken from it may be calculated from his age and therefore may be no different to the baptism record date of 1829. If this record exists, have you seen it or can you say from which church register it was taken? I plan to visit the centre in Dublin which apparently holds all of these registers and would be happy to check it out. The date and amendment in the family bible are curious and make it even more desirable to see a scan of the original.

May I ask the source of the names of William's two sisters?

Do you know where the original register of The Church of Ireland at Drumcree is now held or do you have an image of the entry for Davis Pentland? I have seen his name before but also heard that it is David rather than Davis in the baptismal register. I am a little puzzled that he was baptised in Drumnacree while his parents lived in Seagoe. Annagh townland in is where the family appeared to be in 1858 does this suggest they moved there before Davis' birth?

Are you saying that Davis Pentland's relationship is "assumed" from baptismal records which show his surname as Pendleton and did I understand correctly that his father's and mother's forenames were shown but not his mother's maiden name? The use of the surname Pendleton could be helpful if it can be tied to the use of it in relation to other members of this family where Pentland has been used as their surname.

I understand Davis Pentland's death is, quite reasonably, based on his wife's remarriage. Dates quoted for for both marriages suggests that entries exist. Do you have or know where I might find the entries? I cannot work where to look as I understand the parish for Banbridge was Seapatrick but you mention Tullylish, a separate parish which, among others included the townland of Mullabrack which could mean the first marriage took place in Elizabeth's home parish. Has anyone seen the second marriage entry; if so was Elizabeth's name given as Kitchen, Pentland or Pendleton?

I wonder whether confusion has set in from the large number of ways in which the same area was described in Ireland? the electoral Division of Banbridge Rural containing a number of townlands which form part of the parish of Tallish and the Poor Law Union of Banbridge not to mention the barony of Iveagh Upper; confusing or what!

Following from that Elizabeth's marriage in Seagoe suggests she then lived there which may mean her first husband died there. Has anyone checked for Pendleton deaths around that period?

William emigrated in 1852, a year before his bride. Is it known whcih ships they travelled on and if not where were the years of their emigration found?

My apologies if I have added to the confusion but with accurate information there does seem to be the potential to clear up a number of conflicts surrounding this family.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Thursday 07 June 12 18:26 BST (UK)
To Kiap,

This is an old post I had in my records.  Have a date, but not the source.  It appears that Richard and Eliza had at least five children.  Please see the info below on George H.



"Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Pentland/Ewings   

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William PENTLAND b. 1830, had a brother, George H. PENTLAND. B circa 1825. both born at Portadown or Tandragee
Father Richard PENTLAND, Mother, Mary Ann DAVIS. married in the Church of England and Ireland possibly in Portadown or Tandragee..
George may have lived in Tandragee. I think his grandaughter, Anne , drowned at Newry.
Richards' Father was George E. PENTLAND.

Eliza EWINGS b. 1833. parents George EWINGS and Anne McELLEROY

Eliza and William emigrated to Australia and married in Melbourne and have extensive descendents mostly in Victoria, Australia. "

Best,
Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Thursday 07 June 12 19:19 BST (UK)
To Redrover

"In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath)."

from an earlier post of yours.... The George and Ann Pentland you mentioned above, from your photos... George is the son of George Thomas Pentland and Jane/Jennie Anderson, who were married in Drumgor and moved to Derrykeevan by 1828.

Their known children are
Lucy Pentland b. 1823
Elizabeth Ann Pentland, b. 1826
Jane Elizabeth Pentland, b. 1828
Thomas George Pentland, b. 1830
George A Pentland, b. abt 1832
 Margaret Pentland, b. 1835
George Pentland, b. 1840
Elizabeth Pentland, b. 1848
James Pentland

However, if we are referring to the correct family, then there are some problematic dates.  The George A Pentland in this family was born about 1832 and would have been about age 40 at death.  Hmmm. how to align the info?

Roxanna
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Friday 08 June 12 00:14 BST (UK)
I am not at all clear on how Roxanne's post of 29 April 2007 provides an answer to Kiap and Planters. If I am reading these posts properly it seems that answers are being provided by referring to other posts not original sources. It would be very helpful if someone could answer the questions in my earlier post and provide pointers to where the references were found.

I see no point in building on shaky foundations so will organise my nineteenth century research before turning fully to the eighteenth and earlier centuries. Like others before me, I will simply spend days looking at registers which have been checked previously instead of delving into the potentially interesting records in the National Library in Dublin and the almost three hundred separate source documents in PRONI which may provide new information.

Does anyone out there have any original source material or is all of this research based on old posts?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Friday 08 June 12 16:11 BST (UK)
The post had come from a researcher on Ulster Ancestry.com, which I am unable to access. 
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: kiap on Saturday 09 June 12 07:45 BST (UK)
Hi Wordly Wanderer,
Thanks you your interest and response. Note sure if my reply will help clarify much

1.   No, we don’t have a date or location for marriage of Richard Pentland + Mary Ann Davis. Like much of what we “know” of our ancestors, the snippet of ‘United Church of England’ came from verbal comments by an ‘aunt’ (since deceased) who got it from her mother – presumably from comments by our ggrandfather William around the kitchen table. We know this is an unreliable method of data collection but thought it better to record what we think we know rather than let those snippets disappear with time

2.   Reference to ‘Gilmerton a village near Swanton at the foot of the Pentland Hills’ comes from a similar source as (1). We suspect that reference to Pentland Hills comes from someone over here looking at a map of Scotland trying to locate Gilmerton and noting that interesting geographical feature nearby. We have no idea when ‘our’ Pentlands migrated from Scotland, just the verbal advice that they did.

3.   Yes, we are developing a theory that migrants from England were like rabbits and multiplied to fill the open land. William and Eliza had 12 children, 11 survived and married and had large families as well. We have another set of ancestors who migrated a generation earlier (1837) and we have recorded 7,200 descendants in Oz but only a couple of relatives apparently still alive in UK

4.   Source as for (1). Suspect that most Australians think Armagh and Belfast are just down the road from each other

5.   Family Bible entered  the family in 1871, with records starting with William & Eliza’s marriage in 1854, so no reference to Ireland

6.   William’s  Marriage Certificate gives birth 1830, his family bible gives 1823 (or 1828?), amended to 1826 - Immigration records suggest 1830 (‘age 21’). There are other date and name amendments in the bible (which differ from some Birth Certificates) so we take it with a large grain of salt.

7.– 10.   In  2007 my sister asked Ulster Ancestry, Londonderry to research William P and Richard P+ Mary Ann Davis. The result was email lists of apparent extracts from ‘Public Records Office’ records for Pentlands from Church of Ireland records. Will try and get more info from my sister,

11.   Yes, just imagine how confused we are at this distance

12.   Don’t think so, am not sure

13.   Yes, we have William and Eliza’s passenger listings, ship name (and captain), departure dates & arrival dates. Those are the earliest official records we have of each.

14.    Agreed. If we had accurate information we would be a lot further along. At the moment we just hope someone else is researching  Richard P + Mary Ann DAVIS   

Many thanks
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Planters on Saturday 09 June 12 11:24 BST (UK)
Thank you Roxanne and thanks Kiap and also to Worldlywanderer for his/her intervention; I'm much clearer now on how this information is sourced. It must be hugely difficult to research family in the British Isles from the other side of the world, I know it can be hard enough in the  UK!

From what I have seen so far Richard is quite an unusual name in the Pentland family. Since the practise back then was to name children after older relatives is there not some mileage in checking out the Richards in the various parishes and trying to identify how they are related?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Saturday 09 June 12 13:29 BST (UK)
You are welcome Planter. It's very useful to see the source of material and particularly with Irish references, invaluable to know about aural sources. While they may suffer from lapses of memory it has been my experience that most contain at least a grain of truth.

So far as the Gilmerton story is concerned I have researched the Midlothian Pentland families extensively and there is no recorded baptism for a Richard Pentland. There is one Richard Pentland in the 1891/1901 censuses, born in Ireland around 1866 with no connections yet discovered and one further reference, so far uncorroborated, of a Richard Pentland descended from Joseph Pentland, a Scot who married Isabella Fulton White. His father, also Joseph  was the son of  William Pentleton and Elizabeth Mains both from Ireland according to the 1861 census although when Joseph's birth was registered in 1857 his father had recorded the family name as Pentland.

any information about the parentage of this couple would be much appreciated.

So far I have not managed to find Joseph and Elizabeth Mains in Ireland.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: AirtinHame on Monday 20 August 12 07:20 BST (UK)
Good morning,

Jeremiah Pentland (b. 1863) and Dinah Morrow (b. 1864) were the parents of James Pentland (b. 1893) as per Colin V's tree below. However the comment "d. Canada" isn't quite right. He did originally go to Canada with his brother and enlisted in the Canadian army, but he came back to Portadown to get married and stayed there. He had three children: Muriel, Gordon and Evelyn. He died in Portadown in 1960 or 1961.

That is very useful, thank you. Would this be the JAmes Pentland who married Catherine Munro?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Monday 03 September 12 16:27 BST (UK)
Just been on the Pentland name board and there is some really interesting Irish Pentland material appearing but nobody seems to know enough to answer the questions. the posters obviously don't know about this thread but maybe one of you dedicated and knowledgeable Irish Pentland researchers might pop over there and see if you can help. http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.pentland/mb.ashx
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Saturday 27 April 13 23:12 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
I have a definite connection to the Pentland's of Armagh.  William Pentland c. 1829 is the ancestor of my step father, Richard John Pentland (William is his GG Grandfather).  I started researching the family after meeting another Pentland who lives in Launceston, Tasmania.  His ancestors cam from Perthsire, Scotland and emigrated to Australia in the mid 1860's and settled in Walhalla, Gippsland, Victoria, where gold was first discovered in 1863.  Three brothers George Pentland, Thomas Campbell Pentland and William Christie Pentland (and probably a cousin Colin Campbell Pentland) started this line of Australian Pentland's.

After reviewing this family's history with Mr Pentland in Launceston, I was sure we were related as my ancestor, William Pentland also settled in the same region (Traralgon, Victoria), just 45km south east of Walhalla.

As it turns out, the only way Mr Pentland (Launceston) and myself could be related is from two sources:
1. By researching way back to find the link between Perthshire Scotland Pentland's and the Armagh, Ireland Pentland's; or
2. By finding a link between my Grandmother (Dorothy Edith Lang 1895-1953) and Mr Pentland's Walhalla ancestors (Jeannie Sinclair Lang 1868-?).  Jeannie married Thomas C Pentland, both of whom were born in Walhalla.

I recall a family story about a relative who owned an Inn (or perhaps a boarding house) in Walhalla.  This house still remains today and is now a private residence.

Whilst my Family Tree was actually begun to research the Pentland family, it has also grown to include my relatives from my dutch parents from the Netherlands and relatives from my wife's American family.  Consequently the tree is enormous!

I would be very interested in participating in the research of the Pentland family in Ireland and a possible link back to Perthshire. 

I have quite strong evidence that the microfilm of the 1851 census from Perthshire indicates that a widow, Janet Pentland, aged 45 at the time, resided at Balhousie Farm  Her parents were David Christie Pentland and Agnes ne Robertson.

I have also located an incredible account by George E Pentland from Hanover, Ontario, Canada, written April 11th 1948.  It is an account of the descendants of Alexander Pentland and Elizabeth Wilson who were married at Carrington, Scotland about 1540.

I am 55 now and very few of my stepfather's generation appear to be alive now (he and one of his sisters are).  But since there are so many of the Victorian Pentland's building family trees and much of that information is publicly available, I have collected considerable history here.

One of my step brothers travelled to Scotland to seek family history, yet it is quite clear that the known history lies in Armagh, Ireland.  If it is possible to eventually find the link it would be a wonderful topping to the tree.

I look forward to participating with the Pentland clans all over the world.

Regards
from Geelong, Victoria, Australia
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Monday 29 April 13 12:55 BST (UK)
Three brothers George Pentland, Thomas Campbell Pentland and William Christie Pentland (and probably a cousin Colin Campbell Pentland) started this line of Australian Pentland's.

It may help a little i I explain the middle names:

I have quite strong evidence that the microfilm of the 1851 census from Perthshire indicates that a widow, Janet Pentland, aged 45 at the time, resided at Balhousie Farm  Her parents were David Christie Pentland and Agnes ne Robertson.

Janet Christie's father was David Christie and mother Ann Robertson.

I have also located an incredible account by George E Pentland from Hanover, Ontario, Canada, written April 11th 1948.  It is an account of the descendants of Alexander Pentland and Elizabeth Wilson who were married at Carrington, Scotland about 1540.

George E Pentland's book is an extremely useful record of his Canadian branch of the Pentland family which came from Ireland. The reseach done for George E. by as professional researcher in Edinburgh was of extremely poor quality and has been largely discredited in recent years. Most of the generation who were claimed to have emigrated to Canade via Ireland can be fairly easiliy traced in Scotland after the period when they are believed to have emigrated.

One of my step brothers travelled to Scotland to seek family history, yet it is quite clear that the known history lies in Armagh, Ireland.

There is little doubt that the Irish Pentland families are descended from Scots but tracing that connection is far from simple. There were immigrants to Ireland after the Plantation of Ulster and a Pentland was among them but his connections are simple enough to trace from Perth to his death in Dundalk.

The earliest Pentland currently know to be recorded in Ireland was in Belfast in 1643. Whether that indicates he emigrated there at that time or he was the second generation of a family who emigrated during the Plantation is yet to be proved.

There were two phases to the Ulster Plantation: the first around 1603 a private matter between O'Neill, Hamilton and Montgomery and the second, the better known 1609 - 1611 Plantation engineered by James sixth and first. The location of the earlier Pentlands around the Co. Down area suggests they may have been part of the earlier plantation but so far that is simply conjecture.

I look forward to participating with the Pentland clans all over the world

I welcome every new researcher into the Pentland family and still favour the idea of amalgamating research in a single tree to reduce reinvention of the wheel when there is still so much to discover.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Monday 29 April 13 22:58 BST (UK)
I have information here that the Breadalbane Campbell daughter was Louisa M. Campbell.  This line of the Pentland family came to Victoria from Perthshire, Scotland about 1863 to 1866 and appear to have gone straight to Walhalla (gold rush town at that time) and Thomas Campbell Pentland married Jeannie Sinclair Lang (born 5/11/1868 in Walhalla, Victoria, Australia).  Jeannie's parents were Alexander Lang (born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland) and Mary Sinclair (also born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland).

Our first Australian ancestor arrived from Ireland (William Pentland 2 June 1829- 28 March 1900) in Geelong on 30 March 1852.  It was not until November 1872 that he moved his family to a pioneering area called Loy Yang (near Traralgon, Victoria) which is a mere 50km from Walhalla.

My interest in this line of the Pentland's is that my paternal Grandmother's maiden name was Lang and there is an old family story about an ancestor running a boarding house (or Inn or hotel) in Walhalla.  That building still exists and is now a private residence, but I do remember going inside it when I was quite young (about 8 or 10) when it was disused.  Maybe there is a link between the two families there?

As for George E Pentland's book, I have since noticed that there are discrepancies, but it is still a clever attempt.  But since that line of the Pentland family seems to be very distant from mine I have no need for any of its information at this time.

The Irish link of my line stops at Richard Pentland (about 1795 to 1880) who married Mary Ann David about 1828.  It appears they resided in the village of Annagh in the Parish of Drumcree but page 154 of the Griffith's Evaluation does not indicate a date.  There may be a link to George, Hohn and Deborah Pentland who resided in Drumnakelly and owned House, office and land.  I will explore this possibility as it is indicated that our emigrating George was born in Drumnakelly.

After reading much I realise now that the term "clan" is not applicable, and I too would be very keen to amalgamate the research into one tree (eventually).
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Tuesday 30 April 13 07:59 BST (UK)
I have information here that the Breadalbane Campbell daughter was Louisa M. Campbell.  This line of the Pentland family came to Victoria from Perthshire, Scotland about 1863 to 1866 and appear to have gone straight to Walhalla (gold rush town at that time) and Thomas Campbell Pentland married Jeannie Sinclair Lang (born 5/11/1868 in Walhalla, Victoria, Australia).  Jeannie's parents were Alexander Lang (born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland) and Mary Sinclair (also born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland).

Yes, Louisa was John Pentland's mother. Colin, who emigrated to Australia had several siblings including an elder brother John who joined the army, was posted to Ireland, married a local girl and died in Dundalk. So far as I have been able to find he has no connection with any other Irish Pentland family.

The information about Thomas Campbell Pentland and Jeanie Sinclair Lang is new to me. I have a record of three daughters born to Colin Pentland and his wife Mary Leys but no sons. I will return to research this line at some point so would be interested in hearing more about the early Australian generations.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Tuesday 30 April 13 09:23 BST (UK)
The Irish link of my line stops at Richard Pentland (about 1795 to 1880) who married Mary Ann David about 1828.  It appears they resided in the village of Annagh in the Parish of Drumcree but page 154 of the Griffith's Evaluation does not indicate a date.  There may be a link to George, Hohn and Deborah Pentland who resided in Drumnakelly and owned House, office and land.  I will explore this possibility as it is indicated that our emigrating George was born in Drumnakelly.

The Primary valuation of County Armagh took place in 1858.

I am puzzled as to the relationship between the brothers and Colin Pentland who you suggest was a cousin. Janet Christie had sons named William (born 1845) and George by John Pentland and the middle names you suggest point to these being from their family; Colin would have been their uncle.

You said, however, that you have found evidence of an Irish connection for William and that he was born in 1829, may I ask what that evidence is?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Tuesday 30 April 13 12:11 BST (UK)
We are getting the two arms of the Pentland family in Australia mixed up here.  Colin was the cousin of the three brothers who emigrated from Scotland and not related to my ancestor George who came from Ireland.  George Pentland (from Ireland) has a Death Certificate here that confirms he was from Armagh, Ireland and his father was Richard Pentland. I can email information if you wish.  My email address is (*)
Send me an email and I will collate all I know about both Pentland families from Gippsland Victoria, Australia.
Alternatively you may be able to view my family tree with the following link (if it works):
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By starting with my Step Father, Richard John Pentland, you can work back to Richard Pentland from Annagh.  There is considerable evidence along the way.

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Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Thursday 06 June 13 05:25 BST (UK)
William emigrated in 1852, a year before his bride. Is it known whcih ships they travelled on and if not where were the years of their emigration found?

About twelve months ago you asked this question.  I can tell you that William arrived at Point Henry, Geelong (a mere 3km from where I now live) on the ship "Cambodia" on the 31st March 1852.  This is verified in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923.  Elizabeth (Eliza) Ewings arrived 12th January 1850 at Geelong on the ship Diadem, aged 15.  It is highly likely that she came as the result of the Great Famine as there were more than 4,000 girls aged between 14 and 18 who immigrated to Australia.  This particular ship carried made two voyages arriving 13 October 1849 and 10 January 1850.  This can be verified on the following web page:

http://www.familytreecircles.com/famine-orphan-girls-ships-to-australia-from-ireland-37811.html

To Kiap, Roxanna and Garden Boffin (and perhaps others): we are clearly researching the very same family and are no doubt related.  I would be very keen to share information and find out just where each of us fits into the same family tree.
Regards
Roy Pentland
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Thursday 06 June 13 08:29 BST (UK)
Thanks Roy, it's true; everything comes to he who waits - even answers on Irish genealogy.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Sunday 16 June 13 01:16 BST (UK)
Since my last port it has come to light that Elizabeth Ewings has two possible immigration sources:
1. Eliza Ewing aged 15 arrived 11th January 1850 at Geelong on the ship "Diadem";
2. Elizabeth Ewens aged 18, arrived 20 September 1853 on the ship "Australia".  Nationality Irish and Scottish.
Her Granddaughter Lillian wrote an Autobiography, which states “It was my grandmother who brought us into the world. No doctor attended the birth of the Pentlands. My grandmother was a fully trained nurse, born at Gilmerton, a village near Swanston at the foot of the Pentland Hills, Scotland.”
These facts have now cleared up a confusion.
Eliza was widely known as the Midwife of the family and if the second immigration record is the right one, she may have lived in Ireland (as a house maid), but she was born in Scotland!  Not quite the Pentland link between Ireland and Scotland, but a key piece of information about our line.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: worldlywanderer on Sunday 16 June 13 08:23 BST (UK)
I'm not clear; Eliza Ewings gave her origin as Irish and Scottish? If that is correct does it not imply her parents were that, one from Ireland and the other Scotland. Often the surname would give a clue but Ewings is just as likely to be found in Ireland as Scotland. As you say, however, nothing to do with the link between the Irish and Scottish Pentlands which puts to bed yet another oft repeated confusion all caused by a lassie writing abut her granny and people not reading properly what she wrote?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: BoerToPentland on Sunday 16 June 13 09:34 BST (UK)
Hi Worldly Wanderer,
It may very well imply that she had one Scottish parent and one Irish parent, I had not considered this.  However Lillian clearly stated that her Grandmother was born in Gilberton.  She was also more than a mere lassie writing about her granny.  Lillian was very well educated and an artist of some renown back then.  She also ended up living in Scotland and eventually England in her last years.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Sunday 25 March 18 21:22 BST (UK)
Thanks for your input RedRover.  Unfortunately for me, no relatives on this site seem to be part of our Pentland Family.  .. Other than Colin Y. have any info on
William John PENTLAND   b.12 Sept. 1854, Drumaran.  Parents Davis PENTLAND and Elizabeth KITCHEN.    There is a William John PENTLAND listed on the Quacker site wherever that is, as I have not been able to find it so cannot  have this confirmed.
Arthurk, your post has come through while I was typing.  Is it possible the burial of William J. PENTLAND 1863  at 'Mullavilly' church cemetery is the one we are looking for died at the age of 11. ??  Have  you any other details.?
I have a note that William John Pentland, b. 12 sep 1856, Drumaran, Tullylish, married Anne Jane Hill.  They had a son, Richard Pentland, b. 1893, who died in 1936,  and is buried in Knocknamuckley. (some of this line came from the Pentland Boer family tree on ancestry.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Sunday 25 March 18 22:06 BST (UK)


See this  record, 

“Private William Henry Pentland (Married Mary Anne Whitten, (see Carrowbrack 1911 Irish census) 17982, 9th Bn., Royal Irish Fusiliers, who was killed in action during an attack on the village of Beaumont-Hamel on 1 July 1916, aged 45, on the opening day of the Battle of the Somme.  He was born in Aldershot, Hants, the son of George and Ann Pentland, Ballylisk, and he lived at Mary Street, Portadown.
He is buried in Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel, the Somme, and his name is remembered on a headstone in Mullavilly Parish Churchyard, and on the Portadown War Memorial and on the Tandragee War Memorial.”

Rather interesdingly if you search the 1881 census for England you will find more than one Irish born Pentland who had military connections.


If there was only one W. H. Pentland does that mean the other marker mentioned above is the grave of George Pentland and Ann O'Hara?
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On Find My Past, there is a record for George Pentland, son of George, who married Anne Miller on 18 nov 1852 at Mullavilly COI, Kilmore, Armagh, fhl film 101343.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Plonkish on Tuesday 30 October 18 20:53 GMT (UK)
You are welcome Planter. It's very useful to see the source of material and particularly with Irish references, invaluable to know about aural sources. While they may suffer from lapses of memory it has been my experience that most contain at least a grain of truth.

So far as the Gilmerton story is concerned I have researched the Midlothian Pentland families extensively and there is no recorded baptism for a Richard Pentland. There is one Richard Pentland in the 1891/1901 censuses, born in Ireland around 1866 with no connections yet discovered and one further reference, so far uncorroborated, of a Richard Pentland descended from Joseph Pentland, a Scot who married Isabella Fulton White. His father, also Joseph  was the son of  William Pentleton and Elizabeth Mains both from Ireland according to the 1861 census although when Joseph's birth was registered in 1857 his father had recorded the family name as Pentland.

any information about the parentage of this couple would be much appreciated.

So far I have not managed to find Joseph and Elizabeth Mains in Ireland.

Hello worldly wanderer

I'm having the same problem. I can find information on the Pentlands in Scotland, but not Ireland.

The Joseph who married Isabella Fulton, was my GG Uncle (b. 10th June 1891 Motherwell) his brother William John Pentland (b. 21st Jan 1885 Motherwell) is my GG grandfather.

Their father is Joseph Pentland (b. 15th January 1857 Bothwell) who married Christina Wilson Gillespie (b. 20th October 1859 Old Monkland). Joseph's father is William John Pentland (b. around 1833) who is married to Elizabeth Mains.

William and Elizabeth's marriage seems to have taken place in either August 1855 (as on their son William's birth certificate) or in 1844 (as on their daughter Elizabeth's birth certificate) but they both say County Armagh. All concerned seemed to be illiterate as noted by 'their mark' so I do wonder if the name is spelt in a different way on the marriage certificate as a reason why I can't find it.

All I know of William's parents is that his father is listed as Ralph Pentland, cab driver and Mary McGowan. This is from information on William's death certificate (I made a thread on this subject recently). But, as was pointed out to me, the death was registered by William's son Joseph and the information is probably only as good as Joseph's memory! It is possible that Joseph never even met his grandparents as I have no evidence that they left Ireland or that he left Scotland. I would like to think that the information is correct, but the name Ralph comes out of the blue (I'm afraid my family weren't very inventive when it came to names - it makes it difficult to write about them when they all have the same names!)

I have found nothing at all in my online searches in County Armargh, but I haven't been looking long.

I have done quite a bit of research on these Pentlands (and Rankins, Gillespies, Henrys) in the Motherwell and Hamilton areas if anyone else has a connection  :)
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: arthurk on Wednesday 31 October 18 14:28 GMT (UK)
It's either a rather tenuous connection or just coincidence, and it may not get you anywhere, but my ancestor William Kennedy was born in Cambusnethan and working as a gardener at Allanton, not far from Motherwell, in 1861.

The next record I have of him is as a witness to the marriage of Martha Harcourt and John Abercrombie in 1874 in St Mark's (C of I) Tandragee, Co. Armagh. Two years later he married Martha's sister Eliza Jane Harcourt in the same church; he was then working as a gardener at Tandragee Castle.

The connection? Martha and Eliza Jane's family were from Ballyworkan, as were the Pentlands - in fact their aunt Martha Gibson married Thomas Pentland. I've often wondered why William Kennedy went to Ireland: is it possible that one of the Ballyworkan Pentlands was in Scotland and inspired him to move there?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Plonkish on Wednesday 31 October 18 18:43 GMT (UK)
It's possible.

I thought that once I had discovered the County Armagh connection, I thought it would be easy to find Ralph Pentland and Elizabeth Mains (I had searched for them in Scotland at first) but I haven't found anything. I thought it would then be a case of tracing them back until I found when the family had arrived in Ireland from Scotland (as I'm sure that is where they originated for all the same reasons as discussed in this thread). Call me naïve or an optimist  ;D

As an aside and with reference to the Gibson/Pentland connection, I found out that my granny Agnes Pentland (G grandmother) lived next door to a family called Gibson (in Motherwell) for a couple of decades.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Thursday 01 November 18 02:06 GMT (UK)


"The Joseph who married Isabella Fulton, was my GG Uncle (b. 10th June 1891 Motherwell) his brother William John Pentland (b. 21st Jan 1885 Motherwell) is my GG grandfather.

Their father is Joseph Pentland (b. 15th January 1857 Bothwell) who married Christina Wilson Gillespie (b. 20th October 1859 Old Monkland). Joseph's father is William John Pentland (b. around 1833) who is married to Elizabeth Mains.

William and Elizabeth's marriage seems to have taken place in either August 1855 (as on their son William's birth certificate) or in 1844 (as on their daughter Elizabeth's birth certificate) but they both say County Armagh. All concerned seemed to be illiterate as noted by 'their mark' so I do wonder if the name is spelt in a different way on the marriage certificate as a reason why I can't find it.

All I know of William's parents is that his father is listed as Ralph Pentland, cab driver and Mary McGowan. This is from information on William's death certificate (I made a thread on this subject recently). But, as was pointed out to me, the death was registered by William's son Joseph and the information is probably only as good as Joseph's memory! It is possible that Joseph never even met his grandparents as I have no evidence that they left Ireland or that he left Scotland. I would like to think that the information is correct, but the name Ralph comes out of the blue (I'm afraid my family weren't very inventive when it came to names - it makes it difficult to write about them when they all have the same names!)

I have found nothing at all in my online searches in County Armargh, but I haven't been looking long.


I have done quite a bit of research on these Pentlands (and Rankins, Gillespies, Henrys) in the Motherwell and Hamilton areas if anyone else has a connection  :)
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I have some references to a Ralph Pentland.
Seapatrick,
Thomas Pentland, s/o Ralph married Mary Ann Wilson, d/o Robert Wilson on 4 aug 1856, at Banbridge, FHL film 101373

Ellen Pentland, daughter of Ralph married John McShane in Ballymore on 9 jun 1857 (FHL film 101383)

John Pentland, son of Ralph and Mary, married Ann Shevalin on 29 sep 1852 in Brannock, Newry, Armagh  (fhl film 101339)
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Plonkish on Thursday 01 November 18 14:52 GMT (UK)
 :) That is very interesting as the dates of the marriages are similar to the dates for the marriage of William and Elizabeth, especially the last one where both parents names match and so does the location. If they were siblings, this would make sense. The names Thomas and John feature in the next generation too.

I'm very new to research in Ireland. Where did you obtain this information? Did you have to visit the records office?
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Saturday 03 November 18 14:37 GMT (UK)
given that it had the FHL film numbers, I would guess FamilySearch.org.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Roxanna on Saturday 03 November 18 14:38 GMT (UK)
I thought it was notable as it is the only Ralph I had ever seen referenced in Ireland records.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 03 November 18 16:18 GMT (UK)

I have some references to a Ralph Pentland.
Seapatrick,
Thomas Pentland, s/o Ralph married Mary Ann Wilson, d/o Robert Wilson on 4 aug 1856, at Banbridge, FHL film 101373

Ellen Pentland, daughter of Ralph married John McShane in Ballymore on 9 jun 1857 (FHL film 101383)

John Pentland, son of Ralph and Mary, married Ann Shevalin on 29 sep 1852 in Brannock, Newry, Armagh  (fhl film 101339)


All these marriages have Civil Certs.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Images of the certs should be online (fingers crossed) soon. Should have been this month but there is word of a delay.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Plonkish on Wednesday 21 November 18 18:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks!

I just tried but it says that the site is undergoing maintenance. I will keep trying.
Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: downpatrick on Tuesday 19 October 21 03:55 BST (UK)
Hi

I have been working for some time on the Pentlands, especially the family in Lurgan c 1850 (my twig of the family) and the Pentlands of Gilford (I suspect a main branch of the root from Scotland)  and I know there are connections between the two.

The Uprichards were also from Townlands near Gilford - mostly in the Parish of Tullylish.

The Uprichard/Pentland connection that I know of is:

Thomas PENTLAND (1830 - 21 Aug 1891)
  b. 1830, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
  d. 21 Aug 1891, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
|   Jeremiah PENTLAND (1863 - )
|     b. 1863, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
|   & Mrs  PENTLAND
|   |   Robert Henry PENTLAND (1902 - )
|   |     b. 1902, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
|   |     d. Calgary Canada
|   |   & Lillian UPRICHARD
|   |     b. Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh
|   |     d. Calgary, Canada
|   |   |   son
|   |   James PENTLAND (1893 - )
|   |     b. 1893, Ballyworkan Portadown Armagh
|   |     d. Canada
|   |   Hugh PENTLAND (abt 1900 - )
|   |     b. abt 1900, Ballyworkan (Portadown)

I'd be delighted in anyone can offer me any refinements or additions to these folk?

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Jeremiah's wife was Dinah.
James Pentland (born 1893) was my grandfather. He came back from Canada and married Evelyn Burby. They lived in Portadown. Set up petrol stations, then had a hardware store on Bridge Street. Had two daughters and a son.

Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 19 October 21 07:31 BST (UK)
Jeremiah's wife was Dinah.

Jeremiah married Dinah MORROW on 3rd September 1889 in Portadown Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10748/5919420.pdf

He came back from Canada and married Evelyn Burby.

Married 8th February 1921 at St Marks Parish Church, Portadown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09216/5333904.pdf

Eveleen Burby in 1911 census
House 472 in Balbriggan Urban (Balbriggan Urban, Part of, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Balbriggan_Urban__Part_of/Balbriggan_Urban/1213/


KG

Title: Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 19 October 21 07:54 BST (UK)

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The grave stone definitely says  1863.    Have not been able to find  his death yet on any of the sites.

See GRONI online https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
William Pentland   5th May 1963       74      Male        Lurgan

William born in 1890.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02423/1902691.pdf