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patrick mcnamee arrived in australia around about 1910, he was aged 25 and was from belfast, could anyone help to verify his arrival in Australia?
could they find the boat he arrived on?
in 1927 his brother peter also came across from belfast, could anyone help to verify this?
could they find the boat he arrived on?
have searched the Australia BMD and have info on their families but no info on their arrival!
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Hi
The passenger records that you are looking for are not available to search online like the earlier years, however, there is a Patrick McNamee on the National Archive website who enlisted in NSW (First World War).
www.naa.gov.au Click on Recordsearch, then Search as Guest and enter name in search window.
Patrick Joseph McNamee, born Belfast, NOK Maggie McNamee
Also,
Ernest McNamee born 24 Feb 1920 Belfast, NOK Peter McNamee
The digitised copies may be requested by clicking on the control symbol and click request copy. They will be available to look at in a few weeks time.
If these turn out to be connected there is also information on the Embarkation Roll and Nominal Roll (First World War only)
http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp
You can search the NSW bdm's online where you will be able to order certificates www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
Hope this turns out to be your family
Cazay
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hi cazay, yes this is my family, i know of their children and of their deaths, what i could not find when i was searching through records at the bmd was how many children peter brought over from belfast and if patrick was on his own when he arrived in australia?
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Death certificates in Australia list all children born to the parents, so that should give you an answer.
Tomorrow I can check some passenger records for you, but can't promise I will find anything. For these years some people are only mentioned by Mr, Mrs, Miss, Mstr etc.
Cazay
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Hi,
Could this be Patrick Marriageat all If This is it and there Chilhren:
3687/1916 MCNAMEE PATRICK J BLACKSELL MARGARET M ST LEONARDS
41364/1912 McNamee Patrick Richard (F) Patrick Joseph (M) Margaret M Chatswood. Sydney.
Married:7839/1936 MCNAMEE PATRICK RICHARD + WALMSLEY MYRTLE MAGADELENE WICKHAM
Died:12912/1953 MCNAMEE PATRICK RICHARD - PATRICK + MARGARET MARY - RAYMOND TERRACE
11583/1915 McNamee Joseph James (F) Patrick Joseph (M) Margaret M Ryde. Sydney
Married:26217/1947 MCNAMEE JOSEPH JAMES + COOKE BETTY IRIS HAMILTON
Died:Wife.80084/1971 MCNAMEE BETTY IRIS - ARTHUR
Died:35201/1956 MCNAMEE JOSEPH JAMES - PATRICK JOSEPH + MARGARET MARY NEWCASTLE
FREDERICK SARAH ISABELLA NEWCASTLE
(F) Died:14226/1956 MCNAMEE PATRICK JOSEPH - PATRICK JOSEPH + MARTHA MAYFIELD
Hope this helps you
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thanks pal, that's wonderful
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There was nothing for Patrick or Peter on the passengers to WA cd.
Cazay
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does anyone know how it is possible to enter australia without documentation? as it seems that there is no records of their arrival? have trawled through the websites night after night all to no avail!!! can anyone help?????
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Hi Joe,
Can this help or can you tell if this could be his father as N.O.K please :
Title
McNamee Patrick Joseph : SERN 23289 : POB Edenderry Ireland : POE Sydney NSW : N.O.K: (F) McNamee Luke
Can you tell what state here in OZ you think He came in to please Joe ?
So we can help with it better.
OR
you can email this to see if they can help with Patrick McNamee or if he came with his Father ? no one knows.
The National Archives promotes good government recordkeeping and use of valuable Commonwealth records in its care.
Main Switchboard: (02) 6212 3600
Reference inquiries only 1300 886 881
Fax (02) 6212 3699
Email archives[at]naa.gov.au .
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hi bob, patrick joseph macnamee, born belfast 1885, was in australia in 1910, he no doubt arrived at sydney, his father was patrick and his mother was martha, but i think he gave his sister's name as his next of kin, which is suprising as his mother was still alive, margaret mcnamee later became margaret houston in 1912, he fathered two sons before he got married in 1916
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Hi Joe,
Is this lot any of your's
A Patrick R McNamee born: 1912/41364 (F) Patrick J (M) Margaret M at Chatswood. Sydney.
A Joseph J McNamee born: 1915/11583 (F) Patrick J (M) Margaret M at Ryde. Sydney.
Marriage of Patrick McNamee and Margaret
3687/1916 MCNAMEE PATRICK J BLACKSELL MARGARET M ST LEONARDS
Service Record
Name MCNAMEE, PATRICK RICHARD
Service Royal Australian Navy
Service Number 20988
Date of Birth 18 Oct 1912
Place of Birth TURRAMURRA, NSW
Date of Enlistment 14 Jan 1936
Locality on Enlistment Unknown
Home Port/Port Division SYDNEY, NSW
Next of Kin MYRTLE
Date of Discharge 13 Jan 1948
Rank CH ERA
Posting at Discharge HMAS Penguin
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
Service Record
Name MCNAMEE, JOSEPH JAMES
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX29067
Date of Birth 2 Jun 1915
Place of Birth NORTH RYDE, NSW
Date of Enlistment 6 Jun 1940
Locality on Enlistment TIGHES HILL, NSW
Place of Enlistment PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin MCNAMEE, MARGARET
Date of Discharge 20 Sep 1944
Rank Corporal
Posting at Discharge 2/4 FIELD AMBULANCE
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
This is your Patrick McNamee we are looking for as below
Title
McNamee Patrick Joseph : SERN 9766 : POB Belfast Ireland : POE Sydney NSW : NOK W McNamee Maggie
Series number
B2455 Control symbol
MCNAMEE P J Contents date range
circa 1914 - circa 1920
Access status
Not yet examined Location
Canberra Barcode
1957652<<<Reference inquiries only 1300 886 881
The above information is what you give the National Archives of Australia when you write to them or call them Joe
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Hi joebhoy :)
OzyBob is spot on, you should contact the National Archives of Australia and see if they can help you track down your arrivals. They should be most helpful with the later arrival - the earlier one may be recorded in the State archives. Try www.records.nsw.gov.au and contact their reference service for assistance.
They will definitely be recorded somewhere, especially as they arrived in the 20th century.
Cheers
Prue
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yes bob, just as prue points out, your spot on there mate! as far as i am led to believe patrick joseph was in the aif, and went to india? during ww1, it's his arrival that's doing my nut in, his and peter's, there's seem to be easy access to corresponding matters regarding their live's in australia but it is difficult to get there arrival, a few people earlier on this board have tried for me their wonderful efforts returned the same as me, empty-handed, i seem to be looking at all the wrong places or get side-tracked when i enter most sites, no doubt those experierenced researchers can tell of my imaturity in genealogy, totally lost in australian records. peter mcnamee came over with children but how many? did he join the aif too? i deeply appreciate all the help i am having on this board, thank you.
joe
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Hi Joe,
This is one of peter mcnamee childern i think.
Title
MCNAMEE ERNEST : Service Number - NX149680 : Date of birth - 24 Feb 1920 : Place of birth - BELFAST IRELAND : Place of enlistment - COWRA NSW : Next of Kin - MCNAMEE PETER
Series number
B883 Control symbol
NX149680 Contents date range
1939 - 1948
Access status
Not yet examined Location
Canberra Barcode
5638631
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11662/1943 MCNAMEE ERNEST MASTERS COLLEEN NORTH SYDNEY
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50116/1973 MCNAMEE ERNEST PETER CATHERINE ST LEONARDS
WW1 Nominal Roll
Service Record
Name MCNAMEE, ERNEST
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX149680 (N436803)
Date of Birth 24 Feb 1920
Place of Birth BELFAST, IRELAND
Date of Enlistment 30 Oct 1942
Locality on Enlistment ADAMSTOWN, NSW
Place of Enlistment COWRA, NSW
Next of Kin MCNAMEE, PETER
Date of Discharge 2 Aug 1945
Rank Sapper
Posting at Discharge 1 TRNG DEPOT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
Joe you might have to do the same as the other one we put write to them this is all I can fine on the name McNamee from Ireland for you ok Mate I know it is hard for some one from an nother country to do the search ok
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Hi again Joe :)
What I meant by my post was that you should contact the archives (national and state), which you can do by email, for information about arrival documentation for your men. The archives will hold the passenger lists, it's just a matter of whether they are in the national archives or the state ones.
Cheers
Prue
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right on the nose again bob, ernest mcnamee son of peter, well done, if you cannot find any other children born in ireland to peter that kinda opens up a new story!!! it means he arrived earlier to australia than i first thought, as with prue saying about the archives i am sure i was in there about 2 months ago and asked to be sent a copy, still waiting, also waiting for documents to be opened, 2 months now! don't know what i've done wrong?? is it a waiting game? i registered as a guest and tried to find their arrival but found nothing. regarding peter's family i will now have to search for their birth in australian records
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Hi Joe,
The archives (national, at least) don't have everything described and indexed online, so with reference enquiries the reference officer will have to search high and low for potentially relevant documents, and then go through them all to find out whether the info you want is in there.
Sometimes something is indexed online, but "not yet examined" - everything that is in the archives has to be examined by an access examiner, it's just a routine thing, and after they have examined it it is usually "open" and can be accessed by the public.
Unfortunately there are limited numbers of staff who do this, and thousands of people like you and me who request stuff, so it can take a long time for your request to get seen to.
They will get there eventually! :D
Prue
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i had no idea prue, that there was limited staff, i will keep my fingers crossed for another few months and try not to be so over enthusiastic
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so re-valuating all the comments on this thread, i am left to assume that between 1920 and 1927 peter mcnamee arrived in Sydney port with his wife Catherine and his son Ernest, but i still cannot verify this, anybody help?
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Hello there
there is a death in nsw for patrick joseph macnamee
parent patrick joseph and martha
died 9156 at mayfield
regards jenn
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thanks Jen, is that 1/9/56?, i had a wee look at Ellis island site last night, there was 25 different patrick mcnamee's, the closest one i could find arrived on the 5th may 1909, but the site only dates to 1924, there was no arrival for peter in that website, so i will need to look somewhere else now for 1925 onwards, anybody any idea?
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Hi there
sorry thats just my dyxlexia
1956 year
regards jenn
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;D ;D ;D lol, 1956, thanks jen
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for all who were replying and watching this thread, doing more research has come up with the year 1921 for peter mcnamee's arrival in Australia, again i would believe he went to Sydney
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Hello there
I am probably stating the obvious to you but on the nsw death certificate it should say how long he was in australia for also the names on his children
this information will be only as accurate as the person who gives it !
regards jenn
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thanks Jenn, i am just waiting to hear from Peter's descendants in Australia about the death certificate, the family cannot tell me when Peter arrived in Australia or what boat he was on, hence the reason for the last post, i was hoping someone would pick it up and find his arrival for me or point me in a direction i have not been yet
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Hello there
so just to clarify things you are not wanting any info re bdm just a date for the arrival?
regards jenn
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yes please my friend, i have had so much help from this thread, that all i am left to confirm is peter's arrival
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Hello there
okeydokey
best of luck
regards jenn
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thanks again jenn, i am keeping my fingers crossed that some kind soul will take up my plight to find his arrival
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Hi Joe,
I think the National Archives of Australia is your best bet. I know you are waiting on a response from them but I would send them an email again to bring your request to the notice of someone. I was waiting and waiting for some info and as soon as I contacted them again, was sent the papers immediately. Remember...."he who makes the most noise".......!!
http://www.naa.gov.au/publications/research_guides/guides/immig/pages/chapter12.htm#a
On this link you can see what Immigration records are held including Passport details etc.
Can't wait to find him so we can all stop dreaming of the McNamee brothers from Ireland...LOL ;)
Good Luck as always,
Magoo
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ha-ha-ha mrmagoo, just when you thought you had heard the last of the mcnamee brothers.... the thread starts again..... some of the posts and the links have been wonderful resource of help, i cannot have asked for more, except..... no no i am only kidding, thank you once again
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Hi Joe,
This is one of peter mcnamee childern i think.
Title
MCNAMEE ERNEST : Service Number - NX149680 : Date of birth - 24 Feb 1920 : Place of birth - BELFAST IRELAND : Place of enlistment - COWRA NSW : Next of Kin - MCNAMEE PETER
Series number
B883 Control symbol
NX149680 Contents date range
1939 - 1948
Access status
Not yet examined Location
Canberra Barcode
5638631
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11662/1943 MCNAMEE ERNEST MASTERS COLLEEN NORTH SYDNEY
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50116/1973 MCNAMEE ERNEST PETER CATHERINE ST LEONARDS
WW1 Nominal Roll
Service Record
Name MCNAMEE, ERNEST
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX149680 (N436803)
Date of Birth 24 Feb 1920
Place of Birth BELFAST, IRELAND
Date of Enlistment 30 Oct 1942
Locality on Enlistment ADAMSTOWN, NSW
Place of Enlistment COWRA, NSW
Next of Kin MCNAMEE, PETER
Date of Discharge 2 Aug 1945
Rank Sapper
Posting at Discharge 1 TRNG DEPOT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
Joe you might have to do the same as the other one we put write to them this is all I can fine on the name McNamee from Ireland for you ok Mate I know it is hard for some one from an nother country to do the search ok
thanks again jenn, i am keeping my fingers crossed that some kind soul will take up my plight to find his arrival
h Hi Joe,
This is one of peter mcnamee childern i think.
Title
MCNAMEE ERNEST : Service Number - NX149680 : Date of birth - 24 Feb 1920 : Place of birth - BELFAST IRELAND : Place of enlistment - COWRA NSW : Next of Kin - MCNAMEE PETER
Series number
B883 Control symbol
NX149680 Contents date range
1939 - 1948
Access status
Not yet examined Location
Canberra Barcode
5638631
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11662/1943 MCNAMEE ERNEST MASTERS COLLEEN NORTH SYDNEY
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50116/1973 MCNAMEE ERNEST PETER CATHERINE ST LEONARDS
WW1 Nominal Roll
Service Record
Name MCNAMEE, ERNEST
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX149680 (N436803)
Date of Birth 24 Feb 1920
Place of Birth BELFAST, IRELAND
Date of Enlistment 30 Oct 1942
Locality on Enlistment ADAMSTOWN, NSW
Place of Enlistment COWRA, NSW
Next of Kin MCNAMEE, PETER
Date of Discharge 2 Aug 1945
Rank Sapper
Posting at Discharge 1 TRNG DEPOT
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
Joe you might have to do the same as the other one we put write to them this is all I can fine on the name McNamee from Ireland for you ok Mate I know it is hard for some one from an nother country to do the search ok
hi my name is lyn & these are my grand mother & grand father
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Hi Ernest Mcnamee & colleen masters are my grand perants