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I am descended from 2 main Shergold lines - John Shergold (1690-1757) and his wife Elizabeth nee Potticary (1696- ). And the other is Robert Shergold (1641?-1718) and wife Mary maiden name unknown.
These lines become intertwined many times throughout the generations- for example my great grandfather Samuel (born England died New Zealand) was descended from both branches.
My database has around 1800 names-including spouses- and I continue to research these families. Also have 4 known convicts in the wider tree who were transported to Australia after the Swing Riots in 1830s. My great grandfather was a shepherd boy as a child and later was a private in the army and his wife worked in the carpet factories of Wilton.
Areas of research cover most of Wiltshire.
Is there anyone out there who is also interested in the family or any particular branch of it. .
The names of people marrying into the tree are many so I wont list them here.I would love to cover as much as I can and make new contacts and hopefully find descendants of my greatgrandfather's siblings.
Cheers VICKI (New Zealand)
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Hi Vicki, I have the Shergolds in my tree from Isaac Shergold circa 1700 marrying Elizabeth Whale-- Steeple Langford Wiltshire Through to Martha Shergold Marrying Thomas Dowdell in 1792 Steeple Langford,
any Connection
Regards Jean :)
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I am descended from Elizabeth Shergold who I have been told was the daughter of John Shergold, born c1763, and Elizabeth Harrison, born c1763 both of Hale, Hampshire. ( Information not yet verified.)
Elizabeth married George Mussell at Downton parish church 15 April, 1811.
Beth
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To add to the previous post,
17 year old Mary Shergold was among the Downton people who emigrated to Canada in the mass exodus, arriving in Quebec 28 May, 1836.
Beth
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Dear Beth and Jean,
Hi to you both and many thanks for replying. Thus far I haven't been able to tie either of your Shergold families into my database but did find information about them in my research files. Even found the shipping list for the Downton/Quebec people! I will do some more research and see if I can find where or if your families slot into the John or Robert branches. As it seems to be a fairly common name around the Wiltshire area I have no doubt that there are some other branches/families that would all slot together if we could get enough information.
Will get back to you later in week as I have sick grandchildren to look after for a few days!!!
Once again many thanks
Cheers VICKI :)
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Hi Vicki
My grandmother was Sally Ann Shears from Winterslow, Wilts and I frequently come across the Shergold name. I had a quick look to see if the Shears and the Shergolds ever married - probably not.
I did have a look for Robert's marriage and came up with a rather strange result. There are two marriages between Robert and Mary/Marie each on 9 July 1677 but in different parishes.
The entry for Urchfont states Robert s. of Robert Shergoll, and Marie Rivers p. All Canning.
The entry for Stert states Robert Shergoll, the younger of Erchfont & Mary p. Alcanings.
I am confident that these are the same marriage and presumably Robert was from Urchfont. I would guess that the marriage was at Stert and it was also recorded in Robert's home parish.[later information Stert is chapelry of Urchfont]
There is a marriage at Urchfont between Robert Shergoll and Elizabeth Kew 3 Oct 1640, and I assume that these are Robert's parents. My guess is that their first child was Robert 9 Oct 1641 who died, and they named their next son baptized 4 Mar 1644 Robert - it is quite usual to name a subsequent child after a child who has died.
And I was about to post this, but -
there is a baptism at Urchfont 19 Dec 1657 for Robert Shergoll son of Robert living Wedhampton. This seems favourite to be the husband of Mary Rivers, but who was his father ? - this date is outside the dates covered by the IGI.
It is quite conceivable, and not unknown, that this is the third and surviving son named Robert of Robert and Elizabeth.
However, I can find no burials to support the theory of three sons named Robert. The only burials I can find for Robert in Urchfont are 29 Jun 1672, 30 Apr 1679 and 13 Aug 1697; this data base claims to have included Urchfont to before 1600.
I hope you find some of this new and helpful. I think you need to look at the original Urchfont register{on film} to confirm some of these data. In particular to confirm whether the register was readable at the potential date range for burials of the earlier Roberts, and if so, that these burials are absent.
Best wishes,
Colin
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Hi Colin,
You have given me plenty of food for thought and some more avenues to check. Very interesting. In some of the information I have there is a gap in the records from (I think) it was around 1641..will have to go back over my other folders. Also not understanding where places are in relation to each other makes it hard but I am learning. Will get back to you when I have extracted my other notes. It would appear the name Shergold is fairly common in Wiltshire but here in New Zealand it isn't. Two of the branches in Australia have ended up with it being spelt Sheargold. Although Henry's documents show Shergold and some of his children show as both it was the following generation where the name seemed to have been confirmed as Sheargold. Certainly makes for interesting researching.
Many thanks for your time and effort- much appreciated
Cheers
VICKI :)
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I am new to this chatroom and so maybe this is not the right format!
In my husbands tree is:
Anne Mussell, christened 25/1/1813, daughter of George Mussell & ELIZABETH SHERGOLD.
She married Daniel HARRIS and their daughter went on to marry James BATTEN.
Unfortunately I find SHERGOLD is a common Wilts name and also crops up in the other side of my husbands family with:
James SHERGOLD, born about 1824 (Redlynch) and his wife Louisa.
If you can provide some 'branches' I would appreciate it. Thanks
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Hi barbet,
A kind member of Rootschat told me that Elizabeth Shergold was the daughter of John Shergold, b1763 and Elizabeth Harrison, b1763, both of Hale, Hampshire.
I have not looked at the church records from Hale.
Beth
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Hi Barbet,
Beth's information certainly looks feasible. There is an Elizabeth Mussell, a widow, aged 62 and born Hale in the 1851 census. It would be useful to find her in the 1841 married to George.
I am descended from the Mussell line via Grace Mussell born 1755 and daughter of George born 1718.
I was interested in your mention of James Batten. I have found the Batten family in several parishes and wondered whether you had traced yours. I am fairly confident that mine are from Pitton and Farley, but I remian interested in confirmed appearances in other parishes.
Regards
Colin
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HI Vicki,
We have Shergolds in our Tree,
Eva Charlotte Shergold = Kenneth G Webb ( Kenneth was born 1870 Downton Wiltshire)
Hester Ann Shergold born 28/05/1861 Claredon Salisbury =
Harry G Webb , 09/10/1882 Fisherton Anger Salisbury( which exactly where I am email this to you)
Harry was born 1859 Downton
died Manningford Bruce Wiltshire 22/09/1909, he was a police Inspector,
Hester died at Enford Wiltshire 28/05/1861
Miriam Eliza Shergold = Lewis George Webb 10/06/1886 Alderbury Parish , Miram was a cook.
I possibly have more info at home in my other file which I will bring to work tomorrow Thursday
Three Shergold sisters marrying three Webb brothers.
I hope this might help and we can find a connection.
If you need any information Downton is about 5 miles from where I live and we arer trace our family the webb's from there so I can easily have a look at anything you need and i have a shop in the centre of Salisbury so it is very easy for me to nip to the library and check things out for you.
Regards
Nicky
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Hi Colin
So far my BATTEN connections are from Redlynch/Downton, but I am only back to late 1700's.
Barbet
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Hi Barbet,
When I was looking for the Batten family south of Salisbury, I found a fair number in Whiteparish. The first baptism was about 1670 and I guess there must have been over 70 entries with similar numbers of Batten and Battin.
Best wishes
Colin
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Hi Vicki,
My wife is descended from Grace Shergold, the wife of Robert Down, born Great Wishford in 1749.
I believe that her parents were John Shergold and Grace.
Any connection with your family?
Regards
David
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Hi David , I also have a Robert Down in my tree born 1726 Grt Wishford, Parents Elias Down and Mary Ford. brother of my ancestor Elias born 1733, My Shergold side comes from Isaac Shergold 1700 Steeple Langford,
Found marriage of John Shergold to Grace Grave in 1746.
on IGI not found Roberts Marriage, so do not know if the same one.
Regards Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for the information.
As far as I know, all my Down’s and Shergolds came from Great Wishford. Using the IGI and my own research from Parish Records, the lines I have are as follows:
Elias Down born 1778 to Robert Down and Grace Shergold
Robert Down born 1750 to Robert Down and Ann Robson.
Robert Down born 1726 to Elias Down and Mary Ford.
Elias Down born 1694 to Elias Down and Rebekah,
Elias Down born 1667 to Edward Down
Edward Down born 1631 to Christopher Down and Joanne Barter
Grace Shergold born 1749 to John Shergold and Grace Grave.
John Shergold born 1723 to Robert Shergold and Mary.
Robert Shergoll born 1698 to Robert Shergoll and Frances
Robert Shergold born 1673 to Robert Shergold
Does any more of this agree with your records?
David
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Hi david, Yes the Down's information agrees with mine. Robert born 1726 to elias and mary my line comes from Brother Elias born 1733 married Elizabeth Sweatman 1757 , son Richard 1758 m Mary Miller 1788. son Richard 1790 m Celia Ward son William born 1813 m Mary Ann Blake, Daughter Sarah 1843 M John Dowdell in 1867.
The only Shergold info i have is from Steeple Langford, although there is probably a Connection there somewhere
Regards Jean :)
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Dear Vicki, I too am looking at the Shergold name but have only just begun !
I can give you the name of Jane Louisa Whale (nee Shergold) who was born 21.1.1883 in the UK and emigrated to Canada, raised her family on a farming property and died in 1964.
I also have the names of her 6 or 7 brothers and sisters who I think remained mostly in the UK. One of her sisters was my grandmother Sarah Ann Shergoldwho married Albert Rose, Brighton Sussex. It would seem that the family were mainly from the Lewisham/Bromley area of Outer London/Kent border.
Whilst I want to trace the tree, my particular interest is to trace the current relations of Whale in Canada as my father was the last to see any of them when he was posted to Ontario during the war. I know they are still there somewhere and would love to make contact with them.
I f we can strike a connection I would be more than happy to give you heaps of descendants !!
Kind Regards
Barb
South Australia
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Hi Barb,
Sorry to be so long replying..was away for a while and havent done alot of family history work for a while either. Seem to have come cross the name Whale somewhere before.Will go through my information and see what I have and get back toyou.Cheers Vicki
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Hi
I have just joined this site and looking to find my relatives in wiltshire area. My great Gran married around (1894) a shergold who had the nickname of donut. they had three kids Fanny Agnes (1896), Florence and Anne? ( I think) and lived in Urchfont as far I was told a few years ago.
Any information would be great.
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Hi Vicki,
I am interested in any feedback you or other contributors may have re following tree info I have as there are a quite a number of Shergold descendants in Tasmania, Australia also trying to verify info....
My lineage is as follows:
John b.1690 & Elizabeth Pottecary
Daniel b.1736 & Jane Whicher
William b.1764 & Sarah Lush
Daniel b.1795 & Eliza Whatley
Sarah b.1843/44 who emigrated as an 18 y.o. servant girl to Tasmania on "Isle of the South" and whom I believe married James Stock in 1861, Brighton Tasmania. Sarah's death certificate gives her birthplace as England.
There is quite some discussion amongst researchers here as to exactly which Sarah Shergold married James Stock as there are 2 Sarah Shergolds (with different dates of birth), the "second" had parents John Shergold (swing rioter, convict) and mother Elizabeth Taylor (also convict) and a brother Emmanuel born Launceston, Tasmania in 1847. No one seems to have been able to find any record of John Shergold's death after he left Tasmania for Victoria.
Keen to hear any thoughts!
cheers,
Denise
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I haven't yet got confirmation for any of this yet, but in the course of researching my Maslen ancestors and the women who married into the family, I have a note of some very early Shergolds, namely Edith (born circa 1640) and her father John (born circa 1620?), mother unknown and birthplace possibly Bishop's Cannings. Edith married a Michael Cooke in about 1662 according the user submitted records on Family Search, but I don't know their accuracy.
I'd be interested in the identity of Edith's mother and precise dates, if anyone knows more of this branch :) Doubtless they're related to the Urchfont line somewhere, somehow.
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Hi,
Attached is part of my families tree from my mother Doreen back. I have just joined the chat and have already expanded the tree from what Logdore said. My children's family tree is over 1000 names and goes back through my wife to the Dalasses in Scotland and back to Pepin in 714. No, I'm not kidding so am trying to develop my side a bit.
Any ideas?
Downhayward
Hi Vicki,
My wife is descended from Grace Shergold, the wife of Robert Down, born Great Wishford in 1749.
I believe that her parents were John Shergold and Grace.
Any connection with your family?
Regards
David
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Hi David
i also have Shergolds and Down,s in my tree, not sure where we are linked ,
Isaac Shergold 1696 and Elizabeth Whale are my earliest in Steeple Langford.
and Christopher Down 1610 and Joanne Barter from Grt Wishford.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for replying. :)
Actually I was quoting David. My name is Julian. I wonder if you missed the attachment I made that has a chart of my mothers line going back to Christopher Down and Joanne Barter, so we are related. My mother was born in Dibden Purlieu and we still have the family house. I visit from Bristol regularly and on one occasion on route through Hale bought a Landrover. I am now aware of Hale's relationship to the families.
Working from my mothers chart, she has Chris and Jo marrying in 23/1/1631
See my previous for the chart.
Julian
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Hi Julian,
no didn,t see the chart , will have a look,
my shergold line and Down line both married into The Dowdells,
my grt gran being Sarah Dowdell who married William Long , they lived in Poole.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for getting back. The PDF file shows the Down and Hayward lines up to my mother Doreen as far as she could take it. I would be interested to be able to extend it if I can. It seems to me that we can trace our tree back to a small area either side of Salisbury, whereas my wife's tree expands across countries.
Julian
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Hi Julian.
had a look at your chart.
got a Query
i have John Down married to Mary Stansford abt 1795 son Robert born 1798. now is this John son of John and Ann. or did John marry twice ?
I found parents of Martha Shergold b 1808 -- Thomas Shergold 1776 and Ann. think his parents are Richard Shergold and Martha Head m 1765 grt Wishford. his parents Zaccariah Shergold and Mary Wheeler. his parents Robert Shergold and Frances..
Our Wiltshire Families are so intertwinned it gets rather confusing !!
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Hi Jean,
Oh 'ek! I have read your post first thing this morning and I don't think that was a good idea if I am to get anything more done today. The names and dates you have given me have left me a bit puzzled trying to reconcile them. Too many names the same but different dates. I was planning to go to check my father's house (rented out) n3ear Fawley on 16th Aug so if I have not got my head round it by then, it looks like I will be stopping in Great Wishford on the way back. The research I have was done my my mother (who died some 7 years ago) but knowing her she would have taken care to get it right so ..... A glass of home brew and the computer tonight?
Julian
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Hi Jean,
They used to say "A Dubble Diamond works wonders" but not, it seams, as much as Rhubarb and Apple.
If I may explain the background: Doreen (Mum) died 2004. Dad is still alive but two years last January he burst a lung (he has COPD) and survived 3 weeks treatment in hospital. He could not continue living on his own in Hampshire so I brought him to live here at Bristol and his house was rented out. Obviously there was a big clearance. There has now bewen another as we have had to move Dad to a dementia care home. Now, some years back Mum bought an expensive Family Tree book which she duly filled out and gave to my brother having let me - the computer nerd - copy it. I gave her a copy on disk that Dad seems to have printed and Mum has gone on to add notes to. I found Mum's ammended version today. I attach one of the added pages that claims the Down family bible as it's source.
The explanation is to demonstrate I'm only just finding this out myself so please excuse me if it seems I'm not forthcoming with info.
Short answer, look at the attachment, John had a second marage.
Watch this space .....
Regards,
Julian
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Hi Julian
did think it had to be a second marriage, will update my tree now .
thankyou.
Jean
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Hi Julian,
Here is a quick rundown of my Down tree.
Elias Down 1733 6th grt grandfather
Richard Down 1758
Richard Down 1790
William Down 1813
Sarah Down 1843 m John Dowdell
Sarah Ann Dowdell m William Long -- my grt grandparents.
Lilian Long
Gladys Long 1919 m Albert Symonds my parents..
Ancestry worked out that your late mother was my 6th cousin twice removed.
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Hi JeanLillian
It would appear we have the same ancestors, My great grandfather Richard Down left Great Wishford in 1890 and married in Rochdale Lancs. He was born in 1846ish. His father was Thomas Down of Great Wishford and South Newton (next village). After that it would appear its an Richards! I do remember many years ago findiing a link to Elias Down. The name Shergold and Blake appears too. I once went down to Great Wishford and there are still Down's living there.
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Hi ,
Great to hear from you.
Jean :)
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I have only just stumbled on this chat and see some familiar names.
Can anyone expand on what I have, please:
1/ William Shergold (b.c.1791) of Downton, Wilshire
m. 1stly 16/9/1813 at Downton Martha Newman
2/ James Shergold (b.9/5/1824-living 1871)
m. Louisa (b.c.1821 at Redlynch - living 1871)
3/ Harry Shergold (b.c.1863/4-d.1906 in Salisbury, Wiltshire)
m. Fanny Virtue Batten (b.1862)
What I really want to find is older ancestors, as well as parentage for Martha Newman and Louisa (I already have some for Fanny Virtue Batten).
Many thanks,
Caspar
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hi does anyone have info about a henry blake married to ada shergold.she was the daughter of samuel shergold and elizabeth blake.am trying to establish what happened to the daughter dorothy born in 1901.ada was born in 1878 in wilton wiltshire.i cannot find her or henry or dorothy on the 1911 census.any help please.thanks ???
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According to freebmd Henry Blake married Ada Elizabeth Shergold at Wilton in 4th quarter of 1900. Then Dorothy Tugela Blake's birth was registered at Wilton in 1st quarter 1901.
HTH
Caspar
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According to the 1911 census Dorothy Blake was at school, living at home at 22 Water Ditchampton, Wilton with her father Harry Blake who was a General Labourer on Wilton Park Estate and was born about 2nd quarter 1881 in Wilton. His wife was Edith Blake, born c.1878 at Wilton, a real axminster weaver at a carpet factory and they had been married for 10 years. So did Ada's Christian name change to Edith or did Henry/Harry remarry? They also had a 2nd daughter, Ruby, who was aged 6 in 1911 and also at school.
Samuel & Elizabeth Shergold had many children and Samuel was apparently son of John & Sarah Shergold of Ugford (1 mile for Wilton), who, in 1851, lived next door to an Isaac Blake (could there be a connection?).
Henry Blake appears to have been an inmate at the Wilton District Union Workhouse in 1891, aged 10, son of Sarah Blake, a widow and laundress, born c.1840 at Wilton. Henry's siblings were Ann (aged 15, born at Quidhampton, 1 mile from Wilton), Emily (aged 13, born at Quidhampton) and Frederick William Blake (aged 1, born at South Newton).
Many thanks,
Caspar
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hi thanks for your replies.henry blake emigrated to canada leaving behind ada and dorothy.ada divorced henry in 1902 they married in 1900.he remarried mabel vaughan in ontario in 1913.he later died in canada.ada ended up in southampton on the 1911 census without dorothy.i have a dorothy blake in my tree that came from that area, she was adopted.are there any workhouse lists from 1902 onwards.frederick was boarding with samuel and elizabeth in 1901.there are so many blakes and shergold in this area its so hard to get the right ones.elizabeth shergold was formerly a blake.i also have henry blake as the son of edward and marie.have i got it wrong or are their just too many of them.a very confused me. ???
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Confusion all round!
So are you saying that the Harry Blake that I found in 1911 is quite the wrong person?
The Workhouse info that I found was from the census entry, not from any workhouse lists, which I would not know where to look for.
So is there a relationship between Elizabeth Shergold, nee Blake and Henry Blake who married Ada?
Is the Henry Blake who was son of Edward and Marie a better match than the one I found? Or is he a red herring? Or are they all part of a larger Blake family?
How do you know that Dorothy Blake survived? Maybe she didn't and that is why her mother was alone in Southampton in 1911? Or do you believe that Dorothy was adopted by someone else? Tracing adoptions is notoriously difficult.
More questions than answers, sorry.
Caspar
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harry blake is a different person the one on the 1901 census.i also tried to trace sarah as the mother and that too was a dead end.elizabeth shergold was definitely a blake her father was george blake and his father was john blake.henry blake's father was edward blake and his father was also john blake.seems like the henry and the ada were related in some way. my family tree isnt easy.dorothy was my grandmother and was born in the ludgershall area.she was adopted in hawkhurst by another family.i know she is a blake as there is a mistake on one of her childrens entries that has had the maiden name of blake crossed out and her adopted name put in.also there is no death record for dorothy nor is she on the 1911 census.it appears that between 1902 and 1905 there was alot of upheaval in the family.dorothy's parents divorced after only 2 years of marriage and her grandfather samuel died in 1903.a very difficult time.harry was married to edith,i have found since posting the marriage of henry and ada.ada being ada elizabeth shergold.maybe i never made myself too clear sorry. ::)
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I have only just found this site and thread while looking for more info on Martha Shergold and have only recently had a blitz on the Down family prior to a visit to the Salisbury area and found it quite helpful.
DOWN
I am descended from James and Martha, through Jonathan and Selina, Edwin and Lavinia, and Sidney and Mildred. I can identify Julian from a rough family tree given to me by my sister some years ago. The Family Bible Julian refers to is likely to be the one my father had. He died some years ago and the Bible was passed to another branch of the family by my mother as I wasn't interested in such things all those years ago! (Not sure who, possibly Frederick).
Looking at the attachments I have a few comments.
Selina was baptised in Fordingbridge 5 Nov 1843, parents James and Hannah Thorne of Burgate Lodge, Fordingbridge.
Jonathan's son Edwin married Lavinia Colton in Rugby in 1896. They moved to Polegate in Sussex and had two children, Doris born in 1899 and Sidney born in 1900. Doris never married. Sidney married Mildred ("Ivy") Cuthbert in 1935 and had two children, Doris in 1936 and Roger in 1947.
Jonathan's son Walter was born in 1870 in Stratford sub Castle, married Annie Morby in Banbury in 1895 and had two children, Frederick John in 1896 and Herbert Stanley in 1900. I do have a bit more information if anyone wishes.
SHERGOLD
Has anyone noticed the memorial slab in Great Wishford church to Henry Shergold 1694 - 1768? I wonder if he ties in anywhere? There seem to be even more Shergolds than Downs in the area ( I noticed 50 in Great Wishford out of a population of 358 in the 1841 census.
As I said above I've only just started on this journey, and any help anyone can give would be appreciated as visits to the Wiltshire archives are going to be few and far between.
Regards,
Roger
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Hi I am new to this site, i have recently visited the Welsh Army museum in Brecon and there was a Private John Shergold who fought at Rourke's drift in the Zulu wars. I wonder if he could be a relation to us? My grandmother was born in London as was John, then she moved to Wilton as a child. Her full name was Lillian Rosalie Fanny Shergold. She was born in 1899 and married in Wilton church to Reginald Victor Fearnhead. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Missymare.Are you sure that your relative Lilian Rosalie Fanny Shergold b 1899 Lambeth daughter of Richard Reginald Shergold and Matilda,actually married Reginald Victor Fearnhead at Wilton Church,as unable to find a marriage for her.
Note a Reginald Victor Fearnhead died Bournemouth 1978.
Brionne
Welcome to Rootschat.
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Hello, thank you for your reply. Yes I am sure Lillian and Reginald married as they were my grandparents! I went to their Golden wedding anniversary! There is a thread about them on ancestry. com. My father told me that they were married in Wilton. They had 6 or 7 children! They moved to Portsmouth and then to Christchurch. I just wanted to know if Lillian was related to Private John Shergold who was at Rourke's Drift. Thanks again.
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Hello again, I have just found a record of the marriage! I looked under Reginald V Fearnhead. It was in Wiltshire 1921.
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Hi missymare,dont know why I did not find the marriage.Thanks.
My interest is an Ann Shergold born 1870 at South Newton,daughter of shepherd Frederick c1843 Great Wishford, and Eliza b circa 1846 S. Newton.
Ann married Walter Mark Chalke, haulier b Downton 1872 -1960.
Will have a search for the Private John Shergold you are asking about.
Brionne.
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Thank you for your help x
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Difficult to be accurate on John Shergold re Rokes Drift Natal January 1879.
The only one that fits maybe possible,as follows.....ref FMPast.
John Shergold,
invalid,discharged Infantry Brigade Depot 25th, 6th April 1880 Netley.
served 21 years 34 days.
Brionne.
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Thank you, I know he was discharged due to ill health! If it helps his regiment was the 24th foot.
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FindMyPast have a John Shergold Army records.This is possibly your guy.
John Shergold, army number,914.
He attested age 18 years 3 months,at Coventry Warwicks 1st March 1859,discharged Netley 21 Nov 1879 age 39,5 months,[difficult to read]Medical discharge,in poor condition.Served overseas,Mauritius,Rangoon,various infections listed,,,,,,including cholera.
South Wales Borderers 24th Foot.Second Battn.
Trade,Labourer.born St Georges London.
5 feet 5/three qtr.Lt brown hair,eyes hazel.
Intended address on leaving,,,43,East Rd, Clapham.
You may be able to trace him onwards using this address via the census,ie 1881,1891.
Also may now be able to find his birth,leading to his parents.
Brionne
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Thanks again, will look into it
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regarding Shergold of Rorkes Drift..... please try Sheargold. As he went to India thereafter
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Found this on http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/battle/roll.htm Shergold, John. Private. 2-24/914, B Company. Quite and interesting site to visit, if you haven't already
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I have Shergold in my Tovey line:
Tirza TOVEY dau Wm & Jane (nee Hodgkins) b Greet, 1837 married James Shergold (sp. SHURGOLD) in Toddington St Andrew in 1861.
James was born in 1842 Lower Swell GLS son of George & Martha (George was born in Wilts abt 1809) George was a shepherd on Tracy Estate.
They had three sons all born Toddington:
William David Shergold b 1862 marr: Minnie Ada HOLMES 1883
George Richard Shergold b 1865 marr: Jane Brenda HUCKIN Winchcomb 1888 (of Chadlington & Kingham Oxon, Huckin)
James Alfred Shergold b 1869 Clara Jane SMITH Winchcomb 1890.
James' older brother David Shergold b Lower Swell (nb 1881 census notes birthplace as Snowshill 1840) 1839 also lived in Toddington. He married Jane CROSS in Toddington St Andrew in 1868. David appears as a painter and glazier on the 1881 Census -Thirza's father Wm Tovey was also a painter and glazier in the employ of the Tracy Estate. David and Jane had 7 children, David died in Toddington in 1895.
George Shergold died Toddington 1857 his widow, Martha Shergold b 1811 Great Tew GLS remarried Thomas GOUGH in Toddington in 1860.
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genie>
your branch of Shergies also were found working at Sudeley Manor...... :)
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Hi, I am a decendant of John Shergold who was sent to Tasmania due to his involvement in the 1830 Wiltshire swing riots. He had a son Emmanual (my Great grandfather) who had a daughter Gertrude Shergold. I have traced the line back beyond Robert Shergold 1645 & Mary Rivers of Great Wishford Wiltshire. John left Tasmania to go ? and died ?
Would love to hear of anything re this family.
Thanks, Kerry
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Vicki
I would love to hear from you. My email email address removed please use the private message function Re the Shergolds from Wiltshire.
Thanks,
Kerry
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Hello Kerry,My Ann Shergold is possibly the same family as your John Shergold sent to Tasmania, from Great Wishford.Salisbury,Wiltshire.
My Ann b 1870 is actually the mother of my fathers first wife,a Chalke who died in 1936 at South Newton,without any issue. [as you probably guess I am of a certain age.]
Unfortunately do not have any earlier information about this Shergold family.
Good luck with your research,Brionne.
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i would like to ask a question here on the Shergold line of Joseph Shergold & Ann of Stapleford.... where is the christening that suggests he is connected to the wishford line? I have also looked at the convicts of this line and the thomas/clara of Newcastle etc...... so could someone enlighten me on how where that proof is hidden please? thankyou...... my connection is also somewhat of the wishford line before it moves off into Devizes, with parts elsewhere........
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I am researching for my husband whose grandmother was Lilian Rosaline Fanny Shergold born on 31 Dec 1899 at 1 Layham Cottages, Dorset Road, Lambeth. She married Reginald Victor Fearnhead on 1 April 1921 in Wilton Parish Church. Her father was Richard Reginald Shergold who married Matilda Fanny Ford. He died at 27 Water, Ditchampton and Matilda died at 8 Jubilee Terrace, Ditchampton. Does anybody know if there are any graves around Wilton for the family? Is there any information on the children of Lilian and Reginald - Raymond Reginald, Alan Nigel, Nora Kathleen, Terence Anthony or Colin?
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I am Dawn Shergold a direct descendant from Henry Shergold from Downton 1720. Wld love to hear from you.
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just a notation here..... john shergold in tasmania has an interesting time in tasmania but his overseer Atkinson has an even more colourful time........ some convicts rob him on his farm and cause other grief... apparently he was a total brute........ but the Shergies survive..... :)
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Skallywag i believe that you maybe able to help my side of the Shergold family out as Your husbands grandmother sounds like the sister of my ( hope i got this bit right!!!) GREAT GREAT Grandad who is
Reginald Edgar Clarence Ford Shergold ( BORN 22 OCT 1895 died 1960 ) m Selena/Selina Shergold ( nee Buckingham Born 1900ish and died 1978 in south london) . Thus his father was Richard Reginald and mother was Matilda Fanny Shergold ( nee Ford)
I can't help anymore with sibling etc as but i can provide you with is
Reginald Shergold - son of Reginald and Selena/selina ( my GREAT Grandad )He was the second eldest of 11 children apparently!!!!!) sorry no marriage i can added a name for but he had a son
Reginald Ronald OR Ronald Reginald!! Shergold m Frances Olive Fagg ( first marriage my Grandad and Nan)
They had 3 children
Lesley Shergold ( my aunt who sadly passed away recently ) who married into the Lee Family and has Alex , Josie in and Sigourney
Robert Shergold ( my dad) who married Elaine Spencer and myself and Donna
Micheal ( my uncle) no marriage name but have Natasha and Ivan
Not sure thats of any interest to you at all as my side has only started out on the long journey
Kelle
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Hi
You have got back so much further than me re the Shergold family. I am descended from a Isaac Shergold (1700-1762), son Luke (1741-1787) who married Sarah Furnell in 1760 in Steeple Langford, Wiltshire. They had 6 children - Thomas, Sarah, John, Mary, Elizabeth & Rebecca.
Thomas Shergold (1761-1845) married Ann Cannings in 17876 and had 4 children - Elizabeth, James, Thomas & William.
Thomas Shergold (1798-1867) married Elizabeth Light in 1829 and had 2 children - Ann & Alfred.
William Shergold (1803-1841) married Elizabeth Newman in 1827 and had 6 children, one of which, George (1837-1913) is one of my descendants. He married Ann Shergold, his cousin, who is the daughter of Thomas, Wiliams's brother and Elizabeth Light.
George & Ann Shergold had 6 children - Frederick, Emmeline (my grandmother), James, George, Caroline, Eva.
All seemed to live around Maddington, Orcheston & Shrewton, finally Salisbury which are all places in Wiltshire. However there were a lot of Shergolds around in Wiltshire as you already know so lots of descendants all over the place.
Good luck.
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Hi Kelle Reginald Edgar Clarence ford Shergold and selina Shergold was my grandparents they did have 11 children Joyce, iris , jean, Doris, pat, Maureen,Gwen , Ernie ,John ,reg your grandad , Fred my dad So your dad Robert , Lesley and Micheal are my cousins have got loads more information for you I have one sister called sue and two brothers called Steve and Simon would love to hear from you
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Hi all
I have just joined this forum as I am trying to find out more about my family. My Great nana was Daisy Maria Shergold born 10/03/1888 in Barford St Martin and later in life married a Frank Edward Atkinson.
Daisy’s parents were William and Agnes Shergold and she had a brother William (B 1891 in Barford St Martin) and a sister Elsie (B 1898 West Tisbury). Just looking for any relatives out there.