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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Gadget on Saturday 02 September 06 10:15 BST (UK)
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Hi
I've been trying to find a birth/baptism in Hanmer and surrounding parishes for this ancestors for ages but can't find anything.
What I have is a marriage 29 October 1748, Hanmer to Roger Lee of Halghton, Hanmer.
Roger was the son of Richard Lee, yeoman, and Elizabeth Griffiths. He was bapt Nov 27 1728. I assume that Anne was 'roughly' the same age. Her last known child was born 1768.
Children names - Richard, Paul, John, Anne, Thomas, Elizabeth, Roger, Joseph, Mary.
Heison is an unusual surname but it is quite clearly written as that in the parish records (see below). I've also checked for similar names but have not had much luck.
I'd be grateful for any help.
Thanks.
Gadget
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The only name anywhere near I can find on the IGI in the area,is a Roger Heeson who married an Ann Mann at Ellemere in 1785.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I'm just reviving this query :)
I've been doing some more searches for her today and still nothing - tried various variations on her surname.
Anyone got any ideas, please :-\
Gadget
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Have you had a look at the archived message lists and see if those throw up anything useful.
Its a port of call I sometimes use when I want to revisit a nagging ancestor!
On the records side I had a look for Heison but not a tweek. How about Cheshire or Shropshire they are next door??
Jude
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Hi Jude
Thanks for responding. I did try all of those things before my original posting.
Gadget
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Gadget
thought so !
Jude
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I thought that she might have possibly been a widow - although nothing in the marriage entry but I couldn't find any Heisons who she might have married. I'm just wondering whether to put the request on the Common Room board. Someone must have some, mustn't they :-\ :-\ :-\
Gadget
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Gadget
They all seem to be in the US!!
There has to be some in the UK at some point. Ann had to get the name from somewhere. Immigrant or marriage - somewhere!
At this point I'd try anything to at least get a pointer - you are going to be no worse off
Jude
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I found lots of Easson/variations in Scotland ??? ??? ???
I might refer my case to Peter Bennett - he knows lots about that area, I think :)
Also, I'll chase up some of the US ones - they might have roots :-\
Thanks
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
If the name is spelt correctly then I would suggest it is likely to be Germanic/Austrian/Netherland in origin. Sometimes with a "y" instead of "ei"
The English/Scottish equivalent is Eason or variations without the H.
A lot depends on how the recorder hears the name as to how he writes it down, did they sign the register themselves ?
Certainly haven't come across that spelling in any of the Cheshire parish registers.
not much help I know, sorry, I will keep it in mind though.
peterbennett
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Thanks Peter
The only thing I have is this copy of the entry in the register from the National Library at Aberystwyth. The transcribed index for Hanmer (from Clwyd FHS) also has this spelling and I think the Hanmer registers were used for that. The registers are very sparce around that time :(
The Lees were quite friendly with the Hanmers and Roger's mother was the daughter of Kathrine Puleston.
I'll check the European areas that you suggest.
Gadget
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Googling as one does, I found this site (you probably know it anyway) ... but just in case ...
http://webination.com/carole's_site/d45.htm
Some German Heisons on it ...
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Thanks Lydart
That one and another - I have also someone in Munich and one dying in Lancaster in 1690 something but nothing at all tangible. Kerry's looked on GR. I've done the rounds on the usual suspects and all the adjacent Welsh records. I've looked for wills (which might be more difficult for Wales), I've done A2A, NA, NA of W.
I'm going to re check the BIVRI and the NBI now :-\ :-\ :-\
Gadget
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No luck Gadget :'( :'( :'( :'(
I've tried every possible option for Heison I could think of, I have searched for Roger and Richard Lee and Elizabeth Griffiths with no results at all.
Kerry :'(
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Thanks Kerry - I am all alone in my quest then :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Gadget
added - I wonder if Paul from Flintshire is there :)
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Nearest I've got to date:
NBI -
7th May 1695 Robert Heeson
1st Feb 1700 Ann Heison
both Yorkshire West Riding - St Bartholomew, Maltby.
Gadget
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Hello Gadget,
Sorry but I thought I might have looked for Anne before and drawn a blank.
If you can point me in the direction you think I might find something please let me know.
How could I not try and help an ex Llangollen secondary School Girl who ushered at the Eisteddfod for a free lunch.
I'll be at the archives this week.
Paul.
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Me thinks you and William might just be knowing a bit too much about me, Paul :D
I'll PM you about her. I just keep coming up with zilch.
Gadget :)
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Would that be Zilch Heison or Zilch Heeson ?!
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perhaps a bit of a leap but how about
Ann Elson christened 10 May 1727 in Tarporley (about 20 miles away)
Peter
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That looks interesting, Peter. Thank you :)
I wonder if the 'l' got written wrongly at Tarporley or she was being posh and said 'Eson' ::)
Have you got any further info please?
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just a simple search on LDS. There is also a sibling Thomas with a double L in the surname. Parents William and Margarett. There might of course may other variants on the spelling.
What were the witnesses names?
Goodnight!
Peter
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Goodnight Peter !
There must have been a reason why I discounted her - Iwould have done a thorough on the LDS when I first looked for her ??? ??? ???
I'll check it out - no witness details - records are poor for that time :(
Gadget
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Just looked again. I think the reason is that it was a patron submission. I also note the Ann Easlston, 1727, Poulton le Fylde - I cetainly remember seeing that one - also patron submission.
I wonder if anyone has access to the Tarporley registers?
Gadget
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Morning!
to add to the intrigue there were Elson's married and christened in Whitchurch so there might be a family connection to Tarporley.
Peter
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Morning Peter :)
I shall have to have a look at this family. I have to find out if Anne's baptism is in the Tarporley registers, if she survived to 1748 or if she married someone else.
I'm not really sure that it is my Anne but I'll have to check - it's the L that's the stumbling block.
On the Hanmer side - where is the Parish Chest that might have more information in? The records were so sparce.
Regards
Gadget - still looking for Heison
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I know I'm talking to someone who is FAR more of an expert than me ... but it occurred to me to ask if you have thought that HEISON and HELSON could look the same if the L was badly written and looked like an I ? And likewise, EISON could look like ESON if the I was small and not dotted ?
Just a thought !
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Just my thinking and there are several Ann(e) Elsons born in the 19th century in the general area. I would also have thought the unusual surname unlikely in rural England/Wales without having others in the country!
Peter
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I'm certain it is written Heison - this is not just my interpretation but quite a few others over the last 2 years or so. I, personally, don't really think that anyone would confuse the pronounciation of Heison/Heeson/Easson/etc. with Elson/etc. but I will investigate.
Thanks for the input.
I'm still looking for Heison/Heeson/Eason :)
Gadget
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Hi
I agree how it looks but living in Stoke-on-Trent you get used to the letter 'h' coming and going in conversation!!
Peter
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Lets cast our minds back here. We have the vicar or parish clerk of Hanmer (English part of Flint- Shropshire over the water). Now would this person confuse someone called Elson or Helson - reasonably common as you found close by in Cheshire, Peter - with a very uncommon name like Heison? I don't think so. These people were also literate.
It is very clearly written - 'H', the funny squiggly 'e' also repeated in the 'ees' in Lee, a definitely dotted 'i', etc.
Gadget
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It is not the Vicar or Parish clerk who is the problem but the person providing the information. Certainly a very high percentage of my relatives who I have traced back to even the later 19th century were illiterate ( they are all Welsh so I am not sure how much difference that makes!!!) and you will know form your own experience how names have been changed over the years.
Anyway the main point is to find them and I hope at least my thoughts will provide you another direction to try. I do not know of course if your relative signed the register or book if they were required to do so.
I will keep trying to think of alternatives but I am sure you will have covered most if not all of the ground and that is really why I made the slightly wilder suggestion.
Best wishes
Peter
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Thanks Peter :)
The Hanmer registers are a sorry sight for that time. Lovely Paul has promised to inspect them with a fine tooth comb :)
I've decided to write up some stuff about the social context of the pair and their family/connections which might enable me and anyone else who's interested to delve deeper into this strangeness.
I'll post it here when I've finished.
Gadget
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Whilst we may think that the Hanmer Parish Registers are a sorry sight for that time,we are fortunate that they are in any sort of condition after the fire.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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However, William, you have missed the account of the fire, quoted on Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Hanmer/
where it says: Canon Lee, at the imminent risk of his life, wrapping damp sheets around his mouth to stay the suffocating fumes, rushed into the Church, and proceeding to the vestry, obtained the registers, and returned with them unscathed, amid loud cheers................Despite the heroic actions of Canon Lee, two sets of information were lost in the fire of 1889; namely marriages 1787 - 1813, and burials 1784 - 1813.
Let's here it for Canon Lee
Gadget
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Yes I read the account,it is included iin the Genuki page for Hanmer.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thanks Peter :)
The Hanmer registers are a sorry sight for that time. Lovely Paul has promised to inspect them with a fine tooth comb :)
I've decided to write up some stuff about the social context of the pair and their family/connections which might enable me and anyone else who's interested to delve deeper into this strangeness.
I'll post it here when I've finished.
Gadget
Steady on Gadget the "lovely Paul" think of the reputation
you know what the Pubs are like in C/Q. How about the mean and moody or who you lookin at.
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Paul
I meant 'lovely' in the sense that you had offered to go looking for stuff for me about my mystery family.
Her descendents were capped for Wales :)
Gadget
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A long time ago thread but I've just found a possible!
A really poor record - faded over time, etc. The entry on FindMyPast has it as Ann daughter of Joseph and Martha Hicson, Whitegate, Cheshire in Oct 1721.
I've played around with the entry to see if I could bring it up more - see what anyone thinks.
Gadget
(every so often, I go back and do a search for those impossibles!)
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Just found another record for Whitegate - giving parents as Ralph and Marth Huson and Nov 1721.
Think one must be BTs and one parish
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Hi Gadget
I know I have mentioned different names in the past but on your second post another name below your possible baptism there is a Sarah Hixson and there are two Ann Hixson christened in Cheshire in 1731.
Sorry if you have looked at this or I have missed it in doing a quick review of this old post.
Peter
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Hi Peter
Thanks for your continued interest :)
I must confess that I gave up on Anne until yesterday and something made me think of her again and start looking. The problem with this area (as you know) is that people could be from about 4 different counties. I'http://cdn.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/smiley.gifm slowly going through the records but, so far, can't find a definite. If Anne Heison (or whatever her surname) existed, then she must have had parents/siblings and I just can't find any likely marriages or deaths either.
Ison/Hayson, and other more common names are coming up so I'm making some lists.
Any further ideas gratefully received.
Thanks again.
Gadget
Adde - I see that I entered Roger's baptism year as 1728 - it should be 1724!
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I might be getting somewhere - then again, I might not.
Found a baptism entry that was showing on FindMyPast, Ancestry and Familysearch for an Anne Heison, 21 May 1720, Norwich, but no parents. Ancestry gave the church (luckily, as Norwich had lots of churches!).
Discovered that Familysearch had copies of the originals online. This one's parents were Thomas and Mary. Now to see if she survived or married someone else!
Added - also still exploring the 1728, Wellington, Is(s)on