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Title: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 1
Post by: JenClark on Sunday 17 September 06 17:29 BST (UK)
Hello,

I am in Scotland at the moment and am hoping to be able to locate my rellies graves which I assume to be in Cambusnethan Cemetery.

I am searching for:

James Fulton d. 10 Apr 1886 (address 31 Glasgow Road, Cambusnethan, Wishaw, Lanark)

Christina Fulton (nee McIntyre) d. 9 Apr 1902 (address Glasgow Road, Cambusnethan)

I would really grateful if anyone could look up the cemetery records and see if they are indeed at Cambusnethan Cemetery, as I have no idea where to begin. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Are there MI inscriptions for the cemetery I could look up?

Any help would be great :)

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 17 September 06 18:43 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny,

Your best bet would be to contact the Cemetery Records Office:

http://www.northlan.gov.uk/living+here/births+marriages+and+deaths/deaths/cambusnethan+cemetery.html

They should be able to direct you to where your ancestors are buried.

Good Luck

Anne

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Sunday 17 September 06 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,

I have tried e-mailing them a couple of time in the last few months but have heard nothing as yet, maybe I should try the good old telephone....have you had any dealings with them?

Thanks again

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 17 September 06 20:08 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny,

Yes, I have had dealings with them but I'm lucky enough that I can just turn up on the doorstep!

It's probably a good idea to give them a wee ring or if you're in the area, call in. It would only take them five minutes to look at the Cambusnethan Records . . . . providing they're not toooooooo busy!!!

Good luck in finding them.

Anne
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Little Nell on Sunday 17 September 06 22:15 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny,

If they are buried in Cambusnethan churchyard, there are no headstones for them - no M.I. listed for the name Fulton.  :(

Nell
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Monday 18 September 06 09:18 BST (UK)
Hello Jen. This is the lair record for James Fulton and family.
 Ann Yuill Fulton (Daughter) Residence, Wishaw age 13yrs. Parents: James Fulton & Christina McIntyre, buried 21st May, 1867 Lair 130, Private Cambusnethan graveyard.
James Fulton (Pawnbroker) Residence Wishaw age 62yrs. (Married) Parents: ? Fulton & Jessie Christie, buried 16th. April 1886 Lair 130 Private.
Christina Fulton, (Houswife) residence Wishaw age 79yrs (Widow,) Parents: Robert McIntyre & ?. buried 11th April, 1902, Lair 130 Private.
If you can manage to go to Cambusnethan graveyard, ask  the foreman or any of the groundsmen, to show you that particular lair, they are very helpful.
Ron. Porteous. (Motherwell Heritage Society)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Monday 18 September 06 09:32 BST (UK)
Hello Jen, here is another Fulton which I had overlooked.

John McIntyre Fulton, (Pawnbroker) Residence< 74 Glasgow Road, Wishaw Age 72yrs. (Married) Parents: James Fulton & Christina McIntyre, buried, 19th.Dec. 1927 Lair 130 Private

Yours Ron. Porteous.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Monday 18 September 06 12:36 BST (UK)
Hello everyone,

What a pleasant surprise to see all your replies this morning :) Thank you so much, I will have to go to Cambusnethan and visit. Ron, when you say Cambusnethan Private Graveyard what does that mean? Is it the same cemetery that shows up as Cambusnethan Cemetery on Kirk road? I really want to go and have a look so please let me know so I can look in the right place  ;)

Thanks again

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Monday 18 September 06 14:23 BST (UK)
Hello Jen, Cambusnethan Graveyard is one big area, but divided into different sections, the oldest part is at the front  beside the 1657 church, it then stretches towards Waterloo, it being the newest part and still used. Lair 130, Private ground shouldnt be too far from the old part, but check with the groundsmen, If you are driving,turn right after you pass the old church, the office is just on your right. in a house. hope you find it.

Yours Ron.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Monday 18 September 06 15:46 BST (UK)
Hi Ron,

Thanks so much, I think I will head off there next weekend  ;D

To think I was wandering around there a few months ago, had a feeling they were there somewhere but couldn't find anyone to ask, now I am a woman on a mission!!

Thanks again

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Kilsyth on Monday 18 September 06 19:11 BST (UK)
Hello Ron,

I wonder if you are able to help my husband find the lair record for some of his ancestors.  He has already looked for a gravestone but had no luck.

Samuel Finlay died 15.7.1893 and his wife Marion McQueen died 25.5.1917

Any information would be appreciated.

Kilsyth
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Monday 18 September 06 19:59 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth, here are your husbands forebears

Samuel Finlay (Coalminer) Residence Wishaw, (Married), age 54yrs. Parents: John Finlay & Madaleine Russell, buried, 18th.July, 1893, Lair: Sec. D 136 New Private ground.
Marion Finlay (Housewife) Residence, 27 Castlehill Feus, Wishaw, (Widow) Age 83yrs. Parents John MCQueen & Janet Lindsay, buried, 23rd.May, 1917 Lair: Sec. D 136 New Private ground.
John Finlay (Coalminer) (Married) Residence: Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, Usual Res. Castlehill, Wishaw, Parents; Samuel Finlay & Marion McQueen, buried, 9th. July 1918 Lair: E2808 New Private ground.
Samuel Finlay (Coalminer (Single) Residence, 314 Caledonian Road, Wishaw, age 50yrs. Parents: Samuel Finlay & Marion McQueen buried 28th. December. 1920 Lair: E609 New Private ground.
As I said to Jen, if you ask at the Graveyard office in Cambusnethan, I am sure that the staff will show him where the Lair is, the only thing is, that there might not be a headstone.

Yours. Ron.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Kilsyth on Monday 18 September 06 20:26 BST (UK)
Hello Ron,

Many thanks for such a quick response.  The information is just what we have been looking for.  My husband has done a lot of research into his line and is most surprised that you have found a Samuel Finlay (the son) he did not know about.  That was a bonus!  As he knows there are other Finlay relatives buried in Cambusnethan, we are wondering if the resource you are using is available to us.

Thank you again from two 'excited' researchers.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Monday 18 September 06 22:34 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth. The information that I gave you is on a compact disc, of all the burials in cambusnethan Graveyard from the 1600s,up to 1993, with some gaps, but unfortunately it is not for sale, if you have any other queries, I will be most happy to have a search, and if you can give me the parents names, that will be a big help.
We also have surveyed Airbles, The Globe, South Dalziel and St. Patrick's Dalzell Estate graveyards in Motherwell, if you have anybody in them.
Yours Ron.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Kilsyth on Tuesday 19 September 06 09:18 BST (UK)
Hello Ron,

Thank you for your very kind offer.  We have been to the offices at Bellshill, met the very pleasant, helpful staff and studied several cemetery registers so we know that putting the information on CD would be quite a task.  Is the CD available for searching e.g. at the Motherwell Heritage Centre?  Our car is at the ready!!!!!

Kilsyth
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Tuesday 19 September 06 12:48 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth. Yes the disc can be viewed at the Heritage Centre, Along with any others, it is open,Wednesday to Saturday, from 10am. to 5pm.


Yours Ron.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: his on Tuesday 19 September 06 13:25 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth, I don't Know if you received my last message, it was to say that, yes, the disc is available in the Heritage Centre, which is open, Wednesday to Saturday, from 10am. to 5pm. Happy hunting.

Yours Ron.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Saturday 23 September 06 18:26 BST (UK)
Hi Ron,

Just wanted to let you know that I found my Fulton's  ;D ;D ;D

The headstone was hidden behind a thick wall of ivy but with a little "gardening" managed to read the whole thing.....I never  would have found it if it wasn't for your information.

Thank you sooooo much

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 11 April 07 12:25 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny,

I have a marriage cert for Christina McIntyre Fulton who married George Gibb at 24 Glasgow Rd Wishaw 5th Jul 1892.  George Gibb and Christina Fulton both died in 1950 at 41 Glen Rd Wishaw.  George was 82 and Christina was 84.  The informant on both death certs was their daughter Christina McIntyre Fulton Gibb.  They would have been buried in the Cambusnethan Cemetery also.

My interest is in the Gibb family.  I would have looked for the 1901 census for this family but can't have found them as it's not in my records.  So thus far I only know of the one daughter.  Hope this helps.

Heather
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 11 April 07 18:17 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Yep I have records on this family. I don't have George Gibb's death record though, so if you could fill me in there it would be greatly appreciated :)

The 1901 census for them is as follows:

1901 census - 2 Almondbank Terrace, Wishaw, Cambusnethan, Lanark

George Gibb Head M 35yrs Engineer Turner b. Wishaw, Lanark
Christina Gibb Wife M 35yrs b. Wishaw, Lanark
Christina McI F Gibb Dau 5yrs b. Wishaw, Lanark

So I suspect only one child too....but there may be more, you never know.

Her birth record is as follows:

Christina McIntyre Fulton Gibb b. 16 Jan 1896 at 29 Glasgow Road, Wishaw, Cambusnethan, Lanark.

How are you related to George Gibb?

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 11 April 07 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi Jenny,

George Gibb, Iron Turner, married to Christina McIntyre Fulton died 02 Feb 1950, 1 Hour O Minutes AM at 41 Glen Rd Wishaw aged 82.  His father was John Gibb, Spirit Merchant (Deceased) and his mother was Ann Gibb, m.s. Inglis (Deceased)

Cause of death: Senility, Cerebral Degeneration, 1 month.  Coma 1 day.  As cert. by Alec Logan

Informant: Chrissie McI F Gibb, daughter, present

Death registered 02 Feb 1950 at Wishaw by ..... Campbell, Assistant Registrar

Thanks so much for the information on the 1901 census - I'll see if I can locate a Lair No. for George Gibb and Christina Fulton. 

I research my husband's family - George Gibb's eldest brother was John Gibb who married Jane Russell.  Jane Russell was my husband's gg grandmother on his mother's side.

Hope this is of use to you,

Heather.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Wednesday 11 April 07 22:47 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Thanks for the info re: George Gibbs death. Let me know if you locate the grave as I would love to see it too  ;)

My great great grandmother Agnes Wilson Fulton was Christina McIntyre Fulton's little sister.

Thanks again

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Saturday 16 February 08 01:41 GMT (UK)
Hello again Heather,

Just a quick note to say that I have recently caught up with some relatives who happened to have some letters regarding this family.

In one letter dated 17.1.1950 (so before Christina and George Gibb died) it states:

"We were rather shocked last April to get a note from Chrissie Gibb telling us that John Gibb had died a few weeks before from heart trouble, this must have been a great blow to Uncle George and Aunt Teen"

The letter was written by Jack Rutherford, George Gibb and Christina Fulton's nephew. So I am assuming that Uncle George and Aunt Teen are the afore mentioned couple, and Chrissie Gibb is their daughter Christina McIntyre Fulton Gibb.....but who is John Gibb??

Thought you may know  :-\

Is it another child for George and Christina that we didn't know about or is it your John Gibb, George's elder brother? Do you have when he died? Was it March/April 1949?

Any help would be appreciated :)

Jenny

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 16 February 08 02:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenny,

No it's not the brother John Gibb because he died in 1932...but I have done some sleuthing and found your man!

Please contact me on * and I will send you the death cert of a son John Gibb who died in 1949.

Regards,

Heather Armit

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Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Saturday 16 February 08 02:52 GMT (UK)
Will do!  ;D
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dixons on Monday 18 February 08 11:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Ron,

I would be extremely grateful if you could supply any cemetery details of Catherine McAnulty, who died at 1 Steele St. Cambusnethan on May 8, 1874.

She had a daughter, Bridget McAnulty, who was born on February, 1865. She died at an early age (unknown) and may have been buried in local cemetery also.

kind regards,

Dixons
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 18 February 08 14:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Dixons,
Sadly, Ron Porteous passed away some time ago, he was a very nice chap.
I have had a look at the Cambusnethan records that I have but can't find any Catherine McAnulty who died in 1874. I did find Catherine McAulay, housewife, aged 42 years, abode Wishaw, married. Father's name Christopher McSorley. She is buried in common ground. The name McAulay may have been transcribed wrongly - it does happen sometimes.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dixons on Monday 18 February 08 15:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Many, many thanks. This is indeed she as Christopher McSorley was indeed her father and, thanks to you, I now know where she is buried, albeit in common ground.

Sadly, these impoverished mining people couldn't afford layers etc in those days.

The misspelling of her married name is/was not uncommon and may be one of the reasons I've been unable to find any trace of Bridget's death.

Sad to hear that Ron is dead. He was helpful to so many people in his time.

kind regards,

Dixons

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Leia on Wednesday 14 May 08 08:32 BST (UK)
How I wish that I had known about this CD when I was last in Lanarkshire (I live near Vancouver, BC).  The task of trying to find a grave in the Cambusnethan Cemetery was quite daunting, having only information of when the death occurred and trying to find graves from a similar time frame...without any success. 

I am looking for burial information for Jessie Craig Bertram Amos who died on August 30,1915 in Chapel, Lanarkshire.  I assume that her burial would have taken place at the Cambusnethan Cemetery as it seems to be the closest one to Chapel & Morningside.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 14 May 08 09:06 BST (UK)
Cambusnethan cemetery burial records.
Jessie Craig Amos, housewife, aged 30 years, married. Place of abode - Chapel.
Parents Robert Bertram and Allison Cockburn.
Interred 3rd Sept 1915 in plot 2129 section E.
Plot owner - George Amos coalminer, 47 Torbush Square Morningside.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Leia on Wednesday 14 May 08 09:10 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Lodger!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dixons on Wednesday 14 May 08 11:23 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

You guys continue to provide a great 'service' to others!

mac
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Wednesday 14 May 08 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi,

I was wonderinf if you could check your disk for a couple
of burials for me...I live in USA and have a trip planed so
would love to find where my gggrands are buried...

Robert Paterson
Died: November 28,1876
Had lived at Hamiltons land Overtown,Cambusthan
Wife:
Margaret ,Beattie mn, Paterson
Died: January 10,1878
Could have a son also there...Duncan Paterson dates unkn.
Thank you so much.....Hope you find them...Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 14 May 08 18:05 BST (UK)
Hi Crookedtail,
The records from around that time were poorly kept, so there is no sign of Margaret or Duncan.
Here's the entry for Robert-
Robert Paterson, miner and pauper, married, Overtown, aged 65 years.
Parents Duncan Paterson and Christina Penman.
Interred in public ground at Cambusnethan cemetery
30th Nov 1876.

So there wont be any headstone I'm afraid.

Regards,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Wednesday 14 May 08 19:00 BST (UK)
Hi,

Bless your heart....you found my gggrandfathers buriel
place....that takes a large burden off of my list....and I
can put him to rest now...and his parent was a ? altho
I had them and suspected it...Thanks for that also...
When  like you said in "common ground" I take it that there
is no stone or marked grave...is that right...
if so is there anyone that would know the exact grave he
is in?

Again thank you soooo much for your reply....Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Wednesday 14 May 08 19:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Do you have a map or where exactly is the cemetery
or where would I get a map.....Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 14 May 08 23:20 BST (UK)
Hi Crookedtail, you will not be able to find the exact location of the grave, sorry. Common ground was allocated to paupers, 4 to a plot, once that grave was full they just moved on to the next one. No stones or markers of any kind, and by now the exact location will probably not be known.  The gravediggers may or may not be knowledgeable enough about the lair plan to point you in the general direction, depends on how long they have been working there. Common ground isn't in use any more.
Click on the link to find the cemetery and keep clicking the red star until the street names come up.
http://www.mapquest.co.uk/mq/maps/linkToMap.do?Postcode=ML2+8NP&country=GB&cid=lfmaplink

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 14 May 08 23:24 BST (UK)
Sorry, I should've said to click on the little blue + sign on the left of the map
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Thursday 15 May 08 02:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger,

You have been a angel.....I can't thank you enough for
all you help.....Breaking down that stone all...Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Saturday 17 May 08 17:15 BST (UK)
Hi Jen. Are you still with us?  . Have just been reading all this and wondering if by any chance you are related to my Fulton.
My ggrandmother was Mary Fulton b.1832, in Kilwinning, Ayr. daughter of William Fulton and Margaret Dickie.
Grandma.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JenClark on Tuesday 20 May 08 07:44 BST (UK)
Hi Grandma,

Yep I am still here  ;)

I have had a look at my family tree and unfortunately the only William Fulton I have is a fellow born in Methven, Perthshire in 1830 who married Isabella Leslie in 1860.....so not your fellow  :-\

Let me know if any of your Fulton's end up in Methven area further back and I can have another look.

Good luck with the search

Jenny
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Monday 20 October 08 12:51 BST (UK)
Hi,

Could you search for me the following.....

Agnes Merrilees..MN Smith
Died: July 31,1893
Buried: Cambusnethan Parish Church Yard
Lived: @ Thotter Bank,Wishaw
Husband: William
Occurpation: Orchard Tender
don't have his death but probably buried with her....

Thanks...Crooketail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 20 October 08 17:35 BST (UK)
Agnes Merrilees, housewife, Trotterbank, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Smyth and Helen Hamilton.
Interred 3rd Aug 1893 Section C. No 316.

William Merrilees, orchard keeper, Trotterbank, aged 78 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Agnes rodger.
Interred 10th April 1900 Section C. No 316.

Just in case you need this one -
Agnes Merrilees, housewife, Erskinebank, aged 78 years, widow.
Parents - William Rodger and Agnes Kilpatrick.
Interred in Old graveyard at Carbarns, 15 June 1865.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Monday 20 October 08 18:04 BST (UK)
Lodger Hi,

You just blew my mind away....I am so happy to make sure
Agnes was there and also William....BUT also her parents and

the second Agnes that you sent me is the Mother of William
I had NO information on her except her name ....
Agnes Rodgers .....Not at all her parents.....THANK YOU
Her husband should be there somewhere...
Name: Robert
I believe a Orchard Keeper also....
WOOOO...Thank you so very much...Your a hero....
Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 21 October 08 00:01 BST (UK)
Robert Merrilees, farmer, Erskinebank, aged 82 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Margaret Fleming.
Interred 4th Sept 1861 at Carbarns.

Robert Merrilees, carter, Gowkthrapple, aged 49 years, married.
Father - Robert Merrilees.
Interred 16th Oct 1861 at Carbarns.

David Merrilees, wagon driver, Wishaw, aged 45 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and ? Ann?
(transcriber was unsure of the name)
Interred 10th April 1878 at Carbarns.

Alexander Merrilees, labourer, Glasgow, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Agnes Rodger.
Interred 14th Feb 1879 Old Churchyard.

Agnes Merrilees, housekeeper, Wishaw, aged 64 years, single.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Agnes Rodger.
Interred 18th Dec 1879 at Carbarns.

John T Merrilees, child, Coltness Mains, aged 2 years.
Parents - John S Merrilees and Catherine Thomson.
Interred 26th April 1877 at Carbarns.

Still Born Female Child, Sneddons Rows.
Parents - David Merrilees and Agnes Prentice.
Interred 20th Sept 1864.

John Merrilees, child, Cambusnethan Colliery, aged 3 years.
Parents - David Merrilees and Agnes Prentice.
Interred 29th Oct 1874 at Carbarns.

Elizabeth C Walls, housewife, Wishaw, aged 21 years, married.
Parents - David Merrilees and Agnes Prentice.
Interred 18th Jan 1881 at Carbarns.

Marion Merrilees aged 68 years.
Interred 10th July 1929 at Carbarns.

No parents given for Marion, sorry. The fact that they are all buried at Carbarns is a strong indication that they are all from the one family. It is such an out of the way place, not even a proper road and although it was the original parish churchyard it wasn't classed as such after the church there was abandoned in the mid 17th century. The new church, built around 1645 - 50, was situated at Cambusnethan village and it is that churchyard (what I now refer to as Old Churchyard) that adjoins the new cemetery.
Carbarns was used less and less as time went on and in the end it was only estate workers of Lord Belhaven who were buried there, also local farmers from the area along the river Clyde. Erskinebank would fall into the latter category but I have no idea where Trotterbank was, although the whole area from Carbarns to Garrion Bridge was dotted with orchards, many of them still there.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Tuesday 21 October 08 02:23 BST (UK)
Lodger,

Hi....OHOHOHOHOH.. you have blown my mind wooo..
what a day for breaking down walls....
I didn't  even know some of this people existed but I know
that Merrilees had lots of them so now i have some good
leads and threads with alot of brickwall came tumbling down today.
I did have Robert Merrilees and Margarets name is all woooo
what can i say...Thank you,Thank you,Thank you.....
from the bottom of my heart....the family is just going to be
excited when i send this to them....We still have family is
Scotland in  around Wishaw but no idea who as contact
has been lost over the last 50years...so hope to get that
back...Merrilees are in my family by my grthgrandfather's
sister married William Merrilees/Agnes Smyth's son Robert
so he was a great uncle...anyway i so appreciate your
help... :-*....Don't tell your wife i sent a kiss...lol Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Tuesday 21 October 08 16:29 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I have gone over the information that you have so kindly
gave me but could I ask another question without sounding
greidy?

Missing is:  Agnes Merrilees mn Rodgers...
                   Wife of Robert Merrilees who died
                   Sept 4,1861 and is buried at Carbarns
 They were both alive in the 1861 Census and so
he died shortly after he was 82 and she was 75 in census...                 
Could you see if you have her?

The others on the list you gave me seem to be their
children and I have found on the Census to be so....

Also do you have anything on:

Alexander Smyth (Smith) and I have found his wife is
Helen Hamilton...looks like he died just before 1871 Census
Living at: Crineldykes Farm Cambusnethan
.they are the parents of the Agnes Smith
from Thottle Bank that you gave me.....
I really appreciate your help....Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Ann Baker on Tuesday 21 October 08 18:31 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

I have several from Cambusnethan and was wondering how you get hold of the disks. Would probably be worth me getting them. Also do you know if there are any available for any other parts of Lanarkshire ?

Thanks

Ann
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 22 October 08 01:25 BST (UK)
Hi Crookedtail, I gave you Agnes Rodgers details on Monday, check again - she died 1865.
Couldn't find the other deaths for Smith and Hamilton, sorry. The cemetery keeper's Day-book only begins in 1876, before that the records are not so good, so you have been really lucky with the Merrilees family.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 22 October 08 01:32 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,
The details I have belong to me and cannot be purchased anywhere, sorry. I have monumental inscriptions for several parish churchyards in Lanarkshire, if you require a look-up I will be happy to do so. I can't for example, give you all the Smiths, Browns or Hamiltons in any particular place, I would require a husband's name and surname and a cross check with his wife's name and maiden surname.
The MIs I have are - Cambusnethan, Dalziel, Hamilton, Glassford, Dalserf, Strathaven, Stonehouse, the churchyards of Airdrie Burgh and some for Shotts.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Wednesday 22 October 08 03:00 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,


Thank you so much for your time...I guess i was to excited
not see the death for Rodgers..sorry i now do....
Just a long shot on the others they may have died in
Glasgow..I found some of the children there....
Anyway I can't believe you found that many members of
the family.....Bless you for all your help...Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Ann Baker on Wednesday 22 October 08 17:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thanks v much. I have some of the same MI books but my lot are more likely to be common ground than have stones. However if I may one of these days when I get organised, I can certainly give you some names.

My main family name is Mair from Lanarkshire. They aren't in the MI book for Cambusnethan or Dalserf tho they certainly lived in both. Being miners they moved abut a bit so can also be found in Stonehouse, Shotts and Lesmahagow. Ultimately they ended up in Blantyre and Cambuslang.

Will be in touch soon and many thanks for your very kind offer. It's a long list because they had large families, who had large families, who had large families etc

Ann
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Swally on Tuesday 28 October 08 18:47 GMT (UK)
Lodger,

Could you possibly have a wee look in your book of Cambusnethan for a -

Isabella Hunter (nee Neil)
Died on April 25th 1952 at 03.30 hrs at 16, Harthill Terrace, Allanton
also her husband
Walter Hunter
Died 8th February 1950 at 15 Easter Row, Shotts
I have been unable to find their grave at Toddshill or Shottskirk, that is not to say I haven't missed them though.
I did visit Shottskirk on a very blustery winter's Sunday and got spooked after an hour.

Cheers,

Swally
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 28 October 08 21:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Swally, I can only go to 1917, sorry. Try NLC cemeteries office at Bellshill, a little bird there tells me they have a full quota of staff for the 1st time in ages, they may do a quick look-up for you.
Good luck,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: bow on Saturday 29 November 08 07:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone,
I have just found out my ancestor Helen Long/Lang was buried in Cambusnethan New Church yard 1855. I was wondering if there is any headstone or if any other Langs are buried there.
Many thanks,
Bow
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 29 November 08 11:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Bow, there are no burial records for Cambusnethan for 1855.  She is not mentioned in the MIs but there is a Helen Lang in the MIs, married to John McCrone, she died 1893 aged 49 years.  If you give me Helen's parents names I can check internment records for later years.

Regards,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: bow on Saturday 29 November 08 11:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger
Thank you. Helen Lang's parents were Andrew Lang and Mary Gilmour.
Regards
Bow
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 30 November 08 00:40 GMT (UK)
No luck I'm afraid, but it was worth a try.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: bow on Sunday 30 November 08 04:29 GMT (UK)
Dear Lodger'
Thank you anyway.
Bow
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pagan1973 on Monday 26 January 09 13:28 GMT (UK)
Hi

Im planning a trip to Lanarkshire at the end of Feb 09, some of my relatives died in Wishaw, can anyone tell me which cemeteries i should look at  for this area.

Any info much appreciated.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 11 April 09 03:54 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I am searching for some members of the McNeil family.  I have a Duncan McNeil died 18 Oct 1901 aged 59 in Motherwell but his wife Lavina or Lavinia (nee Dewar) died sometime btwn 1891 & 1901 and I haven't managed to find a death record for her.  The family were living in Wishaw in 1891 and I wondered if there might be a record or monumental inscription for this couple at the Cambusnethan cemetery.

Duncan McNeil's parents were Daniel McNeil and Margaret Robertson.  I know that Margaret died 26 Apr 1883 aged 62 in Wishaw but I haven't found Daniel's death but I know he died after her.

Any help would be appreciated.

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 11 April 09 14:32 BST (UK)
Hi heather,

Here's what I found in the records I have (not complete) for Cambusnethan churchyard and cemetery.

The first four are entries in the Day Book of internments for Public burials (this probably meant that it was a pauper's burial but if the family owned a plot the internment would have been carried out in that plot)

AGNES McNEIL, domestic servant, Wishaw, aged 17 years. Single.
Parents - David McNeil and Margaret Robertson.
Interred old burial ground 19 March 1861.

MARGARET R McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 16 months.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred old burial ground 4 Feb 1870.

DUNCAN McNEIL, labourer, Wishaw, aged 85 years, widower.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Catherine ------
Interred old burial ground 23 Aug 1871.

ISAIAH D McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred old burial ground 31 March 1874.

I included Agnes in this list as there may well have been a mistake in the original entry or in the subsequent transcription.  There may also have been a Gaelic name or nickname used by Duncan/David/Donald that could have obscured his given name. (there is a Donald coming up).

The next two entries are from the Day Book for the modern cemetery at Cambusnethan. (It adjoins the old burial ground at the ruined church).

MALCOLM McNEIL, mining contractor, Wishaw, aged 57 years, married.
Parents - Donald McNeil and Margaret Robertson.
Interred section E 1072. 28 Nov 1912.

MARGARET SMITH, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred section E 2085.  21 Feb 1914.
Lair owned by George Smith, coalminer, 2 McAlpine Street Wishaw.

The next entry is a list of burials in a plot in the old burial ground surrounding the parish church, the original (Victorian) owner was Duncan McNeil.
The records for the old churchyard only begin in the latter part of the 19th century, there would have been burials in this plot before 1879 - the earliest date on this list.

Buried in the South section -

DUNCAN McNEIL aged 60 years.
Interred 21 Oct 1901.
EUPHEMIA McNEIL aged 26 years.
Interred 30 Aug 1902.
MARY S McNEIL aged 5 weeks.
Interred 6 Oct 1902.
 - - - McNEIL aged 3 hours.
Interred 24 Feb 1886.
- - - McNEIL no age given.
Interred 1 Dec 1886. (may have been a still birth).

Buried in the Centre section -

DONALD McNEIL aged 79 years.
Interred 3 Sept 1891.
MARY McNEIL aged 2 months.
2 April 1896.

Interred in the North section -

MARGARET McNEIL aged 2 years.
Interred 19 March 1879.
MARGARET McNEIL aged 62 years.
Interred 26 March 1883.
MARY DOUGALL aged 33 years.
Interred 14 July 1903.
This section is now full.

I can also confirm that there is a headstone at this plot with the inscription -

"Erected by Duncan McNeil and Margaret Young in memory of their daughter Catherine who died 1836 aged 4 years".

The following entry in the Public burials Day Book may or may not be the above Margaret Young.

MARGARET McNEIL, housewife, Holytown, aged 70 years, married.
Parents - William Young and Margaret Lindsay.
Interred old burial ground 4 July 1868.

Hope this helps a little.

Lodger.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 12 April 09 06:28 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

You should change your name to legend! 

Thanks so much, as I have been able to go back a further two generations thanks to your information.  I have also managed to find Lavina's death and it appears that she and Duncan may have been separated and therefore she wasn't buried with him.

I have another McNeil conundrum but I will get this house in order first.  Thanks once again...your blood's worth bottling   ;D

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: colcal on Sunday 12 April 09 10:49 BST (UK)
Hi
I have been reading about all the successfull searches for family grave sites and I was wondering if anyone could help me? I am trying to locate my grandmothers grave, her name was Sarah Ann Donnelly (maiden name Kivlochan). Her last known address was Landessy Steet and she died in Duke Street Hospital on sept 7th 1926. The family were very poor, so I cannot imagine she had a headstone.
regards colcal
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Monday 13 April 09 14:47 BST (UK)
Lodger Hi,

On May 14 of 2008  you did a lookup for me....
and with success on my Robert Paterson....would you
have any more updated info that may help me find his
wife Margaret Beattie Paterson now?
Just hoping....Thanks ...Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 13 April 09 18:11 BST (UK)
Hi Crookedtail,
If I couldn't find her then, I wont find her now as the information hasn't been updated .... sorry.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: crookedtail on Monday 13 April 09 21:53 BST (UK)
Lodger i figured as much but thought i would ask...'
Thank you for all you have done in the past and for responding to my question today....Crookedtail
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 16 April 09 10:39 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I'm back to test your McNeil knowledge again!  I think this family is totally unrelated to the other but they appear to have been in the Cambusnethan area since the 1860s. 

I have a death record for Catherine McNeil (nee Ferguson) and she died 19 Aug 1893 aged 58 in Newmains.

Her husband, Malcolm McNeil died 31 May 1903 aged 68.

I wondered if there might have been other family members buried in Cambusnethan too as I am having trouble tracking them all down.

I know you would have David & Catherine Armit (nee McNeil) & Malcolm & Jeanie McNeil (nee Reid) but there are John, Mary, Archibald, Isabella, Euphemia, Alexander & Margaret also...phew!

Any help with this McNeil dynasty would be appreciated,

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 April 09 15:17 BST (UK)
Hi Heather - test away!!!

First of all, Catherine Ferguson was married to Malcolm McNeil (sometimes McNeill) 30th May 1854 at West or Old parish, Greenock. They had the following children -

John born 18th April 1856 Shotts.
Mary born 7th Aug 1858 Old Monkland.
Mary born 20th Aug 1859 Old Monkland.
Archibald born 9th June 1861 Cambusnethan.
Isabella born 1st May 1863 Cambusnethan.
Euphemia born 14th April 1865 Cambusnethan.
Alexander born 17th April 1867 Cambusnethan.
Margaret born 19th Nov 1868 Cambusnethan.
Catherine born 1872 Cambusnethan.

Malcolm McNeil was born about 1832 on the island of Gigha, his father was John McNeill, a tailor who died at Campbeltown September 1871, aged about 75 years. 
John was married twice, I'm not too sure who his first wife was but the info should be on Malcolm's death certificate.
John's second wife was Mary Milloy and they had one son, Neil who was born about 1846 and was unmarried at 1869. (This information is taken from his father's poor relief claim in the Gigha and Cara Register of Poor at Argyll and Bute Archives in Lochgilphead - Copies at City Archives in the Mitchell Library Glasgow).
From John's first marriage he had -
Archibald, born about 1821, a fisherman.
John, born about 1823, also a fisherman.
Malcolm, born about 1832.
Alexander, born about 1836, a blacksmith. (In Glasgow)
All 4 were married.

Catherine McNeil, born 1872 at Cambusnethan, married David Armit at Cambusnethan in 1892.
They had at least 3 children -
Malcolm McNeil Armit born 1899 died 1902.
John Armit born 1915 died 1916.
James, not sure of his birth or death but he had a daughter Catherine.

back to Catherine Ferguson.
she was born on the island of Islay about 1835, both she and her husband Malcolm were Gaelic speakers.
In 1871 they were at 12 Store row Newmains, parish of Cambusnethan. Malcolm was a furnaceman at Coltness Iron Works.
By 1881 they were at 42 Stable Row, Newmains and they were still there in 1891.
In 1901 Malcolm was of course a widower, and he was living with his married son Archibald, his wife and 10 children at McLees cottage, Stewarton Street Wishaw.

If you find John McNeill's death certificate from 1871 his parents should be listed.

John McNeil born Shotts 1856 was at 25 Tweed Street, West Calder in 1881. (1881 - 701 - 1 - 28) He was living with his wife Agnes aged 21 years and he was a shale miner.

Malcolm McNeil and Catherine Ferguson had the following children buried at Cambusnethan, all in paupers graves -

Alexander aged 8 months, Newmains.
Buried 7 Jan 1868.
Euphemia aged 4 years, Newmains.
Buried 28 Jan 1870.
Still Born male child, Newmains.
Buried 28 Dec 1870.
Isabella aged 10 years, Newmains.
Buried 26 May 1873.
John aged 19 years, miner, Newmains.
Buried 14 Sept 1875.

Also in Cambusnethan - plot No 367 section D. The following three internments -
Malcolm McNeil, coal miner, aged 50, married.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Catherine Ferguson.
Buried 4 Jan 1908.

Malcolm McNeil aged 11 weeks, Newmains.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Jane Reid.
Buried 3 June 1891.

Agnes E Mcneil aged 15 months, Newmains.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Jeanie Reid.
Buried 10 June 1899.
---------------------------

That will keep you busy for an hour or two.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: margmo1 on Thursday 16 April 09 17:03 BST (UK)
hi lodger

could you please have a look for ANDREW NISBET & his wife JANE. Also their children andrew, william, john, robert, thomas & elizabeth. they were all born and lived in cambusnethan so may be buried in the cemetery.

mega thanks
margaret
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: margmo1 on Thursday 16 April 09 17:04 BST (UK)
hi lodger

could you please have a look for ANDREW NISBET & his wife JANE. Also their children andrew, william, john, robert, thomas & elizabeth. they were all born and lived in cambusnethan so may be buried in the cemetery.

mega thanks
margaret
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 April 09 00:53 BST (UK)
Hi Margaret,
Sorry, no Andrew Nisbet and no children with Andrew as the father. Do you have Jane's maiden name?
The records I have end at the middle of 1917.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: margmo1 on Friday 17 April 09 01:05 BST (UK)
hi lodger

thank you for looking . i have found that andrew & his wife jane sellet/cellet both died in 1872. andrew appears with different spellings of his surname, nesbit/nisbet.
their address on the 1871 census was newmains.

regards
margaret
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 April 09 03:58 BST (UK)
Hi margaret, still no sign of them, although the records from that time are not the best.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 April 09 11:11 BST (UK)
Heather...... The John McNeil in West Calder 1881 must be wrong, he was born in Shotts so I assumed he was the son of Malcolm and Catherine. After looking at the 1875 burial I realised the mistake.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 17 April 09 11:45 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger, 

I was a bit worried until you posted that correction that your halo might have been slipping  ;D

Thanks once again for such a comprehensive rundown on this particular branch of the McNeils.  I did find John McNeill's death cert dated 18 Sep 1871 aged 75 at High St Campbeltown...his son Neil was the informant and he was married to Mary Milloy.  His parents were John McNeill, also a Tailor, dec. and Margaret Galbraith, dec.

Until today, I had no knowledge of the islands of Gigha & Islay so have visited various sites that are rich with genealogical information today.  I am positively inundated with McNeill material which will keep me busy for quite some time.

Thanks again, Lodger...the Legend!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 07 May 09 12:25 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I hope you haven't put your 'McNeil cap' away as there just might be a few more I haven't unearthed (not literally!) in the Cambusnethan cemetery yet.

I have found deaths for John and Christina McNeil (nee Ballantyne) who actually died in Motherwell but they were long-time residents of Wishaw and I'm hoping that they were laid to rest in Cambusnethan. 

John McNeil died 14 Nov 1915 aged 69 & Christina died 23 Mar 1923 aged 74.
Their children could be present also - Daniel McNeil who married Janet Lang, Marion McNeil who married Robt Cowan, Janet McNeil who married Samuel Lang and Mary McNeil who married Matthew Lang. 

A son Thomas was killed in action in WWI and I have two others not accounted for - John and Christina.

Any help much appreciated,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 08 May 09 12:00 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Up to my eyes at the moment, leave it with me. I'll look for John and Christina's internments, doubt if I can do anything about the others without a specific date of death to go on.

In haste,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 08 May 09 13:38 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Just whatever you manage to find is fine and there's absolutely no urgency.  Thanks for your reply & have a good weekend.

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: fifi_fandango on Saturday 23 May 09 22:24 BST (UK)
I went to Cambusnethan graveyard last week and took quite a few photo's of headstones. I was looking for my 'Smith's'....yes I know, a needle in a haystack!
I have photo's of Smith, Paterson, Boyd, Wilson, ,Gibson , Richardson, Weir,   Lightbody, Gutteridge, Attwood, Reid, Morton, Leggat, Prentice, Merrilees, Pennycuick, Scott, Kerr, Collins and a few others.
If any one wants copies let me know.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: kjo2709 on Tuesday 26 May 09 21:44 BST (UK)
Hi I am new to this and not sure what I am doing. So please be patient

I am looking for family that are buried in Cambusnethan graveyard in wishaw scotland.  The Family name is LANNIGAN and I think my grat granfather was buried in 1937.  I am waiting on more information.

Please if anyone can help me I would be interested in finding any people buried with the name of Lannigan

Thank you Karen
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: tom-shell on Saturday 06 June 09 00:14 BST (UK)
Hi fifi_fandango.  What was the inscription on the KERR gravestone?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: goldnplomp on Saturday 06 June 09 03:13 BST (UK)
Hello Everyone,

Wow, I can’t believe that this string has been active since 2006…

Lodger:
I am attempting to find burial information for George Gold b.1814 d. 22 Aug 1858 and his wife Mary Halliday b.1815 d. bet 1853 and 1856.

According to George Gold’s death record he was buried in the Camnethan New Churchyard; however, I have yet to locate any monumental inscriptions for George.  While I have found monumental inscriptions in the Old Churchyard for George’s parents Andrew Gold b.1790 d.1857 and Rebecca Kilpatrick b.1790 d.1867 as well as his brother Andrew Gold b.1812 d.1844 and his wife and children, George and his family remains elusive.

Can you look to see if you can find any record of George Gold and his wife Mary Halliday?   Also, could you also look up Mary’s parents, Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman b.1791 d. 14 May 1862? Any other Gold connections you can find would also very appreciated.

Thank you for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 28 June 09 17:23 BST (UK)
Hi Arthur,
So sorry for the long delay in answering your query.
This is what I found in the Cambusnethan burial records, please remember that some years are missing.

First of all, the old churchyard has a lair book (plots) with owners, and internments that only begin in the 3rd part of the 19th century, there may very well have been internments in some or most of these plots before then, but no written record, if any did exist, has survived.

A "Day Book" of burials exists from about 1861, it has parents names when known, the old churchyard book only has deceased persons name, age and date of internment.

So, there is a plot in the old churchyard owned by Thomas Halliday. There are 4 internments, as follow -
Archibald Halliday, aged 61 years, 15th May 1907.
Marion S Halliday, aged 55 years, 26th Oct 1905.
Thomas Halliday, aged 61 years, 21st Feb 1879.
Un-named Halliday, no age, 28th May 1886.

Luckily, there is a Day Book entry for the above Thomas Halliday, - aged 61 years, miner, abode Waterloo, married.
Parents - Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman. Interred in old churchyard 21st Feb 1879.
Two other children of Archibald and Marion may also be in this family plot -
Robert Halliday, aged 46 years, miner, abode Waterloo, married, parents Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman. Interred old churchyard 3rd July 1870.
John Halliday, aged 48 years, engine cleaner, pauper, abode Newmains, married. Parents Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman. Interred old churchyard 29th May 1877.

Beside the old churchyard there is a walled private burial ground dating from about 1860. Plots 3, 4 and 5 were owned by the Scott family. Interred in plot 4 are the following -
Marion H Scott, aged 87 years, abode Hamilton. Widow.
Parents - Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman. 11th Sept 1901.
James Scott, aged 23 years, cashier, abode Cambusnethan, single. Parents - Thomas Scott and Marion Halliday.  19th Feb 1862.
Mary Scott, aged 12 years, abode Cambusnethan.
Parents Thomas Scott and Marion Halliday. 22nd March 1862.
Elizabeth Scott, aged 68 years, abode Hartwood Asylum, single. Parents Thomas Scott and Marion Halliday. 19th July 1910.

Entries in the Day Book -
Violet Brownlie, housewife, aged 73 years, abode Hartwood Asylum, married. Parents Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman.  Interred section B plot 11 new cemetery 10th May 1907.
Isabella Halliday or Robb, housewife, aged 42 years, abode Newmains, married. Parents Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman. Interred old churchyard 17th June 1862.
Archibald Robb, check weighman, aged 45 years, abode Morningside, married. Parents James Robb and Isabella Halliday.  Interred section D plot 341 28th Dec 1891.
Andrew Robb, coal miner, aged 57 years, abode Crindledyke, married. Parents James Robb and Isabella Halliday. Interred section E plot 2429, owned by James Robb, coal miner, Brown's Land, Crindledyke, 1st March 1915.

There is another family plot in the old churchyard, owned by Archibald Halliday. Only one internment recorded -
Ann Halliday aged 59 years, 9th Dec 1888.

This could well be the Ann Russell mentioned on the MI number 421/1. Makes sense to me!

As for the Gold family, not much luck really.
I found an entry in the Day book for  Bella M M Gold,aged 8 years, Carluke. Parents Andrew Gold and Catherine M Oman, interred old churchyard 17th Jan 1878.
Also George James Gold, aged 3 years and 9 months, Braidwood, same parents. 13th Feb 1875.
these tie up with the MI entry 363.

Some entries from the Day Book -
Rebecca gold, aged 77 years, Cambusnethan, widowed, Father - George Kilpatrick. (No mother's name). Interred old churchyard 25th July 1867.

George gold, aged 2 years, Wishaw. Parents Robert Gold and Margaret Allan. Old churchyard 29th March 1876.

George Gold
, aged 19 months, Waterloo. Parents Thomas gold and Agnes Blackley. Old churchyard 14th Sept 1877.

That's all I have.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: goldnplomp on Tuesday 07 July 09 01:42 BST (UK)
Lodger,

Thank you!  Your time and effort is very much appreciated and while George GOLD, Mary HALLIDAY and Archibald HALLIDAY (husband to Marion PENMEN) will remain elusive (for now) you did provide me with some Gems… no pun intended  ;)  To start off I had no record of John HALLIDAY b.~1826 d.1874 or Violet HALLIDAY b.~1835 d.1907... Thank you for this!  Also, because of the information you provided I was able to find a number of death records via ScotlandsPeople which in turn allowed me to locate some marriage records which I previously did not have.  This information, cross referenced with the baptismal records for the Wishaw Relief Church 1831-1864 (NAS ref# CH3/1219/6), has filled in a number of gaps for the HALLIDAY extended family.

As for the GOLD family, I did have death records for the listed individuals; however I did not have internment dates… Thank you for this!

In closing, I would like to say a sincere thank you for your time and kind consideration.

Arthur
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: barkie1 on Wednesday 22 July 09 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,


I wonder if you could have a look in the records for the following.

Francis Barclay b.1841 d. 10/11/1917
Elizabeth Barclay nee Johnston or Johnstone b.1845 d.31/10/1925
James Barclay b.1812 d. 06/12/1876

Many thanks.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 22 July 09 10:59 BST (UK)
Sorry, no luck with these names. The Day Book begins in 1876 and only has 3 entries for that year. The later Day Book ends at January 1917, so too early for Francis and Elizabeth. Barclay isn't too common a name in Cambusnethan parish, so if you have any more that I can match with another (maiden) surname I'll have a look. Was James married for instance?

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Friday 24 July 09 04:15 BST (UK)
New to th so i will tell you what i know
James Campbell and Margaret Greer
Cant remember Lair but i think its Section E
i know My Granada died in 26/11/87

was wondering if his parents were buried there?

Any info at all would be very helpful

I moved to N.Ireland not long after papa died

an don't wanna lose my Scottish history

46 Breadiel Cres Newmains rings a bell as his address at death

Would love to get as much as possible hope you can help

Thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 24 July 09 09:02 BST (UK)
Hi Alfy, welcome to Rootschat.  I think the date of death may be 1987? If so, then I can't help you, sorry. The records I have end at 1917.
Good luck with your research.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: barkie1 on Friday 24 July 09 11:39 BST (UK)
Sorry, no luck with these names. The Day Book begins in 1876 and only has 3 entries for that year. The later Day Book ends at January 1917, so too early for Francis and Elizabeth. Barclay isn't too common a name in Cambusnethan parish, so if you have any more that I can match with another (maiden) surname I'll have a look. Was James married for instance?

Lodger

Thanks Lodger James was married but his wife died in Airdrie and was buried at Wellwynd in 1856.

The family then moved to Greenhill outside Cleland and then spread out a bit Salsburgh, Newains, Cleland etc.

Maybe these will show up in your records

Hugh Barclay b. 13/10/1873 d. 28/12/1887
James Barclay b.1838 d. 19/04/1904
Andrew Barclay b.1849 d. 08/02/1915

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 24 July 09 13:36 BST (UK)
No luck with any of these names, it looks like they may be elsewhere.  No MIs for Barclay at Wellwynd either!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 26 July 09 12:13 BST (UK)
Dear Lodger,

Just wondered if you might have overlooked my McNeil query dated May 07 2009?  You were under the pump at the time and it may have slipped your mind.

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 26 July 09 16:06 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

I'll have another go at asking the cemetery office, they didn't get back to me, so that's why I didn't get back to you!

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 26 July 09 23:03 BST (UK)
hi again from N.ireland

sorry didnt know they only went up to 1917 ?

done some more  search's quite expensive getting now withe scots people

back to 1865 birth cert for a James Campbell looks like
Duncan Campbell and Martha her M S was hamilton any chance you could try that one for me

Its quite hard to read there writing back then
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 26 July 09 23:58 BST (UK)
Had a good look and the only thing I came up with was the burial of a young man in 1872.
DUNCAN CAMPBELL aged 21 years, single, a miner living at Muirhouses (parish of Cambusnethan). Parents unknown. Buried 29 Nov 1872 in public ground.

Looks as though these folk were only passing through the area. what is the date and place of marriage on the 1865 birth certificate?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Monday 27 July 09 00:09 BST (UK)
date and place of marriage on the birth cert is 1848 november could 12th or 19th and i think it says glasgow


Duncan and Martha Campbell MS Hamilton
tried a search on scot people no match

tried  a sort of 5 year either way and it came up with 10/12/1847 this is head frying

oh on that birth cert my wife says the address looks like 13 cottages Overtown

thanks for your help
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Monday 27 July 09 06:36 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Good things come to those who wait...

Yours, ever patient,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: golspie110 on Monday 27 July 09 15:42 BST (UK)
Hi all

Looking for Charles and Ann Richardson probably buried in Cambusnethan or Old Monkland. Would also be interested in any entries for Richardson surname in general.

best wishes
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 27 July 09 18:18 BST (UK)
Hi Golspie, do you have parents names, maiden surname for Ann and a time frame?
Most of the Richardsons in this area have Irish ancestry I think.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: golspie110 on Monday 27 July 09 19:07 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

They both died in 1870's

Charles's parents were Hugh and Janet

Ann's I think were Thomas Smith and Jane Allison
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 27 July 09 20:52 BST (UK)
Golspie,
The Day Book records only begins at 1876 and only has a few entries for that year. It doesn't get going until the end of 1877 and I can't find anything for Charles and Ann, sorry.

There was a private burial ground too, and there are some burials for the children of Alexander Richardson and Janet Cowan. Do you recognise these names? Could Alex and Charles have been brothers?
Childrens details -

HUGH RICHARDSON, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Interred plot No. 161, 1st January 1876.

JANET RICHARDSON, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Interred plot 161, 26th May 1879.

THOMAS C RICHARDSON, Wishaw, aged 11 years.
Interred plot 161, 27th August 1891.

Also -
HELEN RICHARDSON, servant, Waterloo, aged 21 years. Single.
Parents Charles Richardson and Jane Archibald.
Interred plot 188, 2nd February 1871.

Also the following, there may have been a transcription error as the grave is No.188 as before.

CHARLES R ROBERTSON, Wishaw, aged 17 months.
Parents Charles Robertson and Jane Richardson.
Interred plot 188, 6th April 1872.

I think the mother may have been Robertson and the father Richardson.

That's the best I can do. good luck with the research, keep posting querries on Rootschat, it's always worth a try.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: golspie110 on Monday 27 July 09 23:08 BST (UK)
Thank you.

Alexander Richardson was Charles and Ann's son.

regards
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 29 July 09 23:53 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

I think you'll be happy with this, just don't ask how I got it!

You should be able to see by the picture, they are in a cowan lair at Airbles cemetery in Motherwell. I presume this would have been a married daughter.

According to my 1922 - 25 Motherwell directory the housholder at 237 Airbles Road (actually part of Double Stone Row) was Robert Cowan, miner.
Also at that address and eligable to vote were -
Andrew and Daniel Cowan. There was also a Robert Cowan at 235 Airbles Rd.
In the 1911 Motherwell directory Robert Cowan, miner is at 237 Airbles Road and there is a John McNeil, miner at 235 Airbles Rd.

If you can't make the pictures out here is a transcription -

The cemetery is Airbles (Opened in 1905)

Section B plot No.1661.
Purchased 29 Oct 1906.
Paid 30 October 1906 - 2 pounds 5 shillings.
Owner Mr Robert Cowan 237 Airbles Road.

Buried 30 Oct 1906 Margaret A Cowan aged 4 years.
Buried 17 Nov 1915 John McNeil aged 70 years.
Buried 24 March 1923 Christina McNeil aged 74 years.
Buried 27 Feb 1933 Janet McNeil Cowan aged 20 years.

Best wishes,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Thursday 30 July 09 23:03 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I'm looking for help tracing a grave or burial record for Catherine Donald, who died 7 or 12 (record on Scotlandspeople is a bit hard to read) September 1877 in Wishaw (address was 85 Main St), Catherine was born in Avondale about 1805, the daughter of James Dow and Helen Frame. She married Gavin Cowper then James Donald  - who registered her death.

I'm hoping she is buried in the Cambusnethan area, I note from the 1871 census that one of her daughters Ellen or Helen (married to a Thomas Prentice) was resident in the same parish - at 27 Hill Street.

Can you help?

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 31 July 09 01:35 BST (UK)
Hello Morag,

Private burial ground at Cambusnethan.
Grave No.519.

CATHERINE DONALD. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 74 years, married.
Parents - James Dow and Helen Frame.
Interred 15th Sept 1877.

Also in that grave are -

JEANIE SCOTT. Wishaw, aged 13 months.
Parents - James Scott and Mary Donald.
Interred 30th March 1877.

MARY SCOTT. Housewife, Rutherglen, aged 42 years, married
Parents - James Donald and   - - - - -
Interred 13th April 1889.

JAMES DONALD. Labourer, Glasgow, aged 70 years, widower
Parents - John Donald and Agnes Docherty.
Interred 28th October 1891.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Friday 31 July 09 12:45 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Excellent work - anither daughter was married to a Scott, but last address I had seen was Lesmahagow. I'm actually assisting one of Catherine's descendants in Australia find this information - and she will be delighted! I'm also a very distant relative (descended from Catherine's brother).

Next question - is there likely to be a headstone to photograph and if so, can you give me some directions? I live in Renfrewshire, so not too far away to take a run through.

And is there a plot plan to give me an idea where in the graveyard to look?

I think there will be one very happy woman in Australia when I pass on the information.

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 31 July 09 13:14 BST (UK)
Dear Lodger,

I remain in awe of your researching abilities!  Thanks for taking the trouble to search out the McNeils...your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 31 July 09 16:52 BST (UK)
Hi Morag,

Let me check if there is a headstone, pointless making the journey if all that's there is a bit o' grass. I'll get back to you Monday or Tuesday if I can.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Friday 31 July 09 22:22 BST (UK)

Hi Lodger,

Next week is fine - if there is a gravestone, I won't be able to get there till next weekend at earliest, as I work Monday to Friday.

Thanks again for your help.

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Monday 03 August 09 23:00 BST (UK)
hi Loger ave give up with the campbell's for now cant get a match with them at all :(

So have moved on to my Granny's side,

Is there any chance you could have a look for a Thomas Greer have his sons marriage,1913 and says he was deceased, his occupation was an iron monger.  Thomas married a Mary Greer M.S. Doherty also deceased on his sons marriage.  His son was 19 when he get married so a search from 1897 to 1913 should hopefully find them.

Any information would be very helpfull.

As its not the easiest thing to do living in Notheren Ireland.

Gonna try these James Campbells again but there so many of them, turning up on the scots people site  the lanarkshire area never thought there could have been so many.
It amaze's me how you have helped so many people and site's and help on research on that area would be much appreciated
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 04 August 09 00:31 BST (UK)
Hi Alfy,
I don't have the records for 1901 - 1906. There may be Greers aplenty in them!

Here's what I found.

THOMAS GREER, Iron puddler, Wishaw, aged 48 years, married.
Parents - Humphrey Greer and Mary Leslie.
Interred in public ground, 4 December 1907.

MARY GREER, housewife, Wishaw, aged 50 years, widow.
Parents - John Docherty and Flora Buchanan.
Interred in section E - 2093.  8th August 1915.
Lair owner - James Greer, coalminer, 6 Castlehill Feus Wishaw.

MARGARET SPROATT, housewife, Wishaw, aged 39 years, married.
Parents - Humphrey Greer and Mary Leslie.
interred section E - 1753.  26 November 1908.
Lair owner - Andrew Sproatt, steelworker, 14 Castlehill Feus Wishaw.

ROBERT H G SPROTT, Castlehill Feus, aged 24 days.
Parents - Andrew Sprott and Margaret Greer.
Interred in public ground.  17 October 1908.

WILLIAM BLACKLEY, Wishaw, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - William Blackley and Mary Greer.
Interred in public ground.  26 July 1910.

MARION FINLAY BLACKLEY, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - William Blackley and Mary Greer.
Interred section E - 2093.  19 May 1915.

THOMAS GREER, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - John Greer and Mary L Smith.
Interred in public ground.  21 March 1915.

JOSEPH S GREER, 52 Castlehill Feus Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - John Greer and Mary Smith.
Interred in public ground 23 August 1916.

Hope that helps you Alfy, note the change of spelling with Sprott.  One of the Blackley infants are in the same grave as Mary Doherty, so Mary must be her daughter.

In the 1922-25 Wishaw directory there is a James Greer at 49 English Street. 
In the Overton section there is an A. Greer at 52 Castlehill Feus, and T. and E. Greer at 18 Castlehill Feus. These, I think, would be adult males eligable to vote.

The only Greer in all of the 19th century burial records I have is - ELIZABETH MILLIGAN, Wishaw, aged 58 years, widow.
Parents - James Docherty and Isabella Greer.
Interred in common ground 9 February 1880.

I'm glad you think I'm of some use on this site, not everyone does!  I passed an honest opinion on the Scotland -General page about the Momento-Mori website and boy did I get insulted. it's a great pity no one seems to be monitoring these pages.

Good luck with your Campbells, I'll keep a look-out for them.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Tuesday 04 August 09 00:35 BST (UK)
many many thanks

what a star you are  :) :) :)

how do you do it

there deff the right ones

all the names seem to be getting pasted threw

happy happy days
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 04 August 09 00:37 BST (UK)
Forgot to mention, also in the 1922-25 directory.
W. Blackley, Castlehill, Overtown. (Wishaw).
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Tuesday 04 August 09 00:42 BST (UK)
excellent work never worry about the insults from other people you my star cheers mate
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 05 August 09 15:50 BST (UK)
Morag,
Checked today, no gravestone at Airbles, just grass! Sorry.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Wednesday 12 August 09 23:33 BST (UK)

Hi Lodger,

Just spotted your post of 5th August. A pity there is no grave stone for Catherine Donald, but Robyn would still like a photo of the graveyard.

You mention Airbles - the name sounds familiar, but not an area I know. Could you give me rough directions or a postcode so that I can find it on the map?

Thanks for all your help.

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 13 August 09 09:52 BST (UK)
Hi Morag,

I'm in France at the moment, so cant take a photograph for you.  Airbles cemetery is very easy to find.  Coming by car, from the M74 take the Motherwell exit onto the duel carrigeway and keep right.  You almost immediately come to traffic lights (Strathclyde Park entrance on the left) Take a right into Airbles Rd, go all the way up until you reach the first roundabout (a few minutes) go all the way round and back down the other side of the carriageway, the cemetery gates are on the left, go slow or you'll miss them.
You dont have to drive through the town, it's very easy. The return journey is even easier, left at the entrance, back down to the lights and left again, then left onto the M74 sliproad.

Hope this makes sense!

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Thursday 13 August 09 19:15 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Used to take that route often in the past to go to Wishaw but tend to come down from the M8 these days - I knew Airbles sounded familiar!

I'm quite happy to go myself, as Robyn also wants photos of a couple of addresses where Catherine Donald lived.

Thanks again - and Bonnes Vacances for the remaining time in France. I was over myself in June in the Tarn Region . France has so many lovely, unexplored corners!

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Ghobhainn on Friday 28 August 09 13:24 BST (UK)
Hi Sage,
              I don't know a great deal about these MacNeils, except for the connection to my Smith family Wishaw Canbusnethan via George Smith marriage to Margaret Macneil, daughter as I understand of Duncan MacNeil & Lavina Dewar, think thats correct. Just a little input.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 29 August 09 10:15 BST (UK)
Hi Ghobhainn,

Nice of you to take an interest in the McNeil clan.  My interest comes about because I have been entrusted with a McNeil family register which was passed down through my husband's family members.  It risked being tossed out so as an avid researcher and keeper of family treasures, I undertook to be the protector of the McNeil family bible.  This family register was presented to Malcolm McNeil and Janet Gibson upon their marriage in Carluke in 1878 and the births, marriages and deaths of their offspring have been diligently recorded by family members over the years.  It's quite the worse for wear but I have scanned it as a pdf file and stored the original carefully but anyone who takes an interest is more than welcome to have a copy.  Malcolm McNeil was Duncan's younger brother.

I hope that some of the information that Lodger traced on my behalf was helpful to you as well.

Cheers for now,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Thomas Allan on Thursday 03 September 09 15:53 BST (UK)
Hi Folks
We are looking for my other halfs family
We've got some of the in Cambusnethan in the 1851 census particularly her gg granny ( i think) Agnes Leggat age 11  at 222 i think its Mill Wishaw but the whole family seems to dissapear by 1861. by then shemust have been married to Archibald Johnston because her g grandad william was born circa 1862. the thingis the Johnston appear to have gone to Ireland because we've got a copy of an Irish b cert forher granny in Ballyclare 10/09/1897 when she came back over in 1913.
anybody got any ideas where the Leggat's went to and why the Johnston's would have gone to Ireland
Thanks
Tommy
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: caroclay on Thursday 03 September 09 19:01 BST (UK)
hi tommy
you would be better starting a new thread for this in the lanarkshire board

is this the family in 1841

William Leggate 40 
Christian Leggate 30 
John Leggate 9 
Jean Leggate 6 
Janet Leggate 4 
Agnes Leggate 2 

then in 1851

william leggat born cambusnethan 1796
christian leggat born shettleston 1807
john leggat born cambusnethan 1833
janet leggat born "                      1837
agnes leggat born  "                    1840
jane leggat born "                        1850

address as mid wishaw


same family in 1861 but with no william

christina leggat  aged 52
agnes leggat  age 21
jean leggat age 12
william johnstone aged 1 grandson of christina
robert fallarder  boarder

address as 43 main street wishaw
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Thomas Allan on Thursday 03 September 09 21:16 BST (UK)
thanks Carolyn
sorry I thought i had started a new thread
i dont know why my 1861 census search didnt work but you've got it all for me
it looks like Archie Johnston and agnes leggat wern't married from what the 1861 census says it shows Agnes and it appears her son William both living with her mum
thanks
Tommy
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Thursday 03 September 09 22:50 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth. The information that I gave you is on a compact disc, of all the burials in cambusnethan Graveyard from the 1600s,up to 1993, with some gaps, but unfortunately it is not for sale, if you have any other queries, I will be most happy to have a search, and if you can give me the parents names, that will be a big help.
We also have surveyed Airbles, The Globe, South Dalziel and St. Patrick's Dalzell Estate graveyards in Motherwell, if you have anybody in them.
Yours Ron.

Ron do you have any Meehans or Meechans in St Patricks around the 1930's?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 04 September 09 05:26 BST (UK)
This if for my mate, Lodger the Legend, whom last we knew, was tripping around France!  Hope you're well rested, Lodger.

I wondered if I might seek some help with 2 Mellis/Melles sisters who were born in Gargunnock, Stirlingshire but who died in Wishaw.  The first is Mary Taylor nee Mellis (married to David) who died 14 Feb 1906 aged 79.

The second is Margaret Torrance nee Mellis (married to James) who died 06 Sep 1924 aged 88. 

Another sister, Jane Russell nee Mellis is buried at Cambusnethan also but I have a photo of that headstone so am okay with this one.

Hoping you can help with any info relevant to the above,

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Thursday 17 September 09 21:31 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Hope you can solve this mystery for me.

Last year you gave me some info about a George  C. Ferguson aged 15months, Newmains. Parents William Ferguson and Jeanie Craig, interred 25th Sept 1913 in Section  E plot 1414. You said that the child George is in the same plot as someone with the surname Salvesen whose married name was Torgesen.

Now Ivè just downloaded a marriage fron SP for a Jane Neil Craig and a William Charles Toryusen. I believe these are the same parents as listed for George C Ferguson. Has Toryusen changed his name to Ferguson? Both Toryusen and Salveson are Norwegian names.

You also told me that William Craig was interred June 28 1916 in plot 2136 section E. Plot owner was William Ferguson. This William Craig was the father of Jane Neil Craig who married William Charles Toryusen.

Would it be possible to give me any more information about these people. And how would a person go about changing his name in those days. Would it just be a case of starting to use a new name?

Hope you can help me with this.

Regards

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 17 September 09 22:54 BST (UK)
Hi Mary, I can't tell you anything else about these people, sorry.  Don't know how they would go about changing a name in those days, it would be fairly easy to do I think, it still is.
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 18 September 09 00:02 BST (UK)
Hi Heather, I didn't see your entry from the 4th Sept, sorry.
The records for most of 1906 are missing, so no luck there.

I just went through them all and had a look for any Mellis names.
Jane Russell is in lair 113/4 section F. (double lair) also in that grave is
WILLIAM RUSSELL. Farm overseer, Wishaw, aged 81 years, married.
Parents - William Russell and Janet Littlejohn.
Interred 28 Nov 1906.
Lair owner  - Thomas Russell, cashier. Glenholm, Park Street Wishaw.

The following 4 people are all interred in lair 447 section D.

MARY M LITTLEJOHN. Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - James Littlejohn and Margaret Jane Taylor.
Interred 31 Oct 1892.

WILLIAM MELLIS TAYLOR.  Draper, Wishaw, aged 33 years, married.
Parents - David Taylor and Mary Mellis.
Interred 23 Feb 1895.

JAMES LITTLEJOHN. Tailor, Wishaw, aged 49 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Littlejohn and Bethia Reid.
Interred 10 Sept 1898.

MARGARET WILSON. housewife, Wishaw, aged 49 years, married.
Parents - David Taylor and Mary Mellis.
Interred 19 April 1913.

Next there is -
JANET KERR. Housewife, Hamilton, aged 23 years, married.
Parents - William Russell and Jane Mellis.
Interred 13 March 1884.  Section C lair 483.

JANE HUGHES.  Housewife, Stane, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - Peter Paterson and Agnes Mellis.
Interred 20 April 1900.  Section E lair 130.

WILLIAM RUSSELL. Iron and Coal Merchant, Carluke, aged 48, married.
Parents - William Russell and Jane Mellis.
Interred 13 April 1901.  Section C lair 49.

AGNES PATERSON.  Out Worker, Newmains, aged 69 years, single.
Parents - Peter Paterson and Agnes Mellis.
Interred 27 Aug 1912.  Buried in public ground.

That's the best I can do Heather, good luck.

Lodger.



Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 18 September 09 08:22 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thanks for your reply.

Don`t want to be a pest but could you do a double check on the info I gave you regarding the name Ferguson. Has it be transcribed as Ferguson and should have been Toryusen. After all the name Torjusen and Salvesen were on the stone for George C Ferguson.

Have found several children, siblings to George C. born  between 1902 and 1912 and they all had surname Toryusen, likewise George C. on his birth and death.

Hope it`s not too much trouble for you. I really appreciate the help you have given me in the past.

Cheers.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 18 September 09 10:46 BST (UK)
Hi Mary, I only have the transcriptions, so I don't know if it has been transcribed wrongly or not. But as this work was all double-checked, I'd think it was right.

In lair 1414 section E are the following -

AASINE TORGESEN.  Newmains, aged 69 years, widow.
Parents - Salve Salvesen and Asker Aaensen.
Interred 26 Oct 1910.

GEORGE C FERGUSON.  Newmains, aged 15 months.
Parents - William Ferguson and Jeanie Craig.
Interred 25 Sept 1913.

This is only a record of burials, it doesn't give a reason why people were in the same grave or why they changed their name.
Perhaps you should contact the cemeteries office in Bellshill and ask who owned the lair, that may give you a lead.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 18 September 09 11:07 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks so much for checking this out for me. Ivè been doing a bit of digging since I posted and am sure it`s a transcripion error. Ivè been following the family and have found they were using Toryusen right up to 1940.

I have the birth 1912 and death, 1913 of George C. and it was reg. as Toryusen.

Thanks ever so much for your help. It`s good to get things cleared up.

Cheers.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 18 September 09 12:35 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

As always, you've given me a little more information to gnash my teeth on.  Thanks once again for your efforts...brilliant!

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 20 September 09 14:45 BST (UK)
Jen Clark are you still with us?  I've been studying the new marriage index from ScotsPeople for the Gibb clan and lo and behold I found a marriage for Christina McIntyre F Gibb to Robert Gray Gibb in Cambusnethan in 1955!
I just wondered if you had knowledge of this. 

Christina's bros died in 1949 and her parents both died in 1950 so it appears she tied the knot late in life.  She would have been 59 years old.  Any idea who Robt Gray Gibb was?  Would love to hear your thoughts on this one.

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Sunday 27 September 09 14:49 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I've found your messages to others re help in finding graves in Cambusnethan and wondered if you could help me when you have time please?
My husband is almost sure his grandparents' grave is in Cambusnethan cemetery, but does not know who else may be in it, or even if he's right. His father and two brothers are buried there and he knows exactly where that grave is but he has never seen the grandparents' grave. We live in England so it's not easy to get there ourselves and I have not had a response from the cemetery people.
The names are PETER HOEY, died October 6th 1930 in Craigneuk - he was 53 years old, and ROSE HOEY nee McLUSKEY who died on April 29th 1957 in Craigneuk aged 76.
There may also be earlier burials in the same plot.
Kind regards
Greenpaula
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 27 September 09 19:16 BST (UK)
Hi Greenpaula, leave it with me, it may take a week or so. There are "millions" of Hoeys in Craigneuk, all related.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Tuesday 29 September 09 10:52 BST (UK)
 hELLO lODGER I AM A NEW MEMBER AMD AM SEARCHING FOR MY FAMILY
THIS LADY WAS MY GREAT GRAN
MARIA DONNELLY  (NEE KEENAN)DIED APRIL 18TH 1922 IN CAMBUSNETHAN
HER HUSBAND WAS PATRICK DONNELLY AND I FOUND THEM ON THE 1871 CENSUS WITH CHILDREN MARY,JOHN AND BRIDGET.

ON 1901 CENSUS THERE IS ANOTHER FAMILY PATRICK AND MARIA WITH FAMILY JOHN,MICHAEL AND CATHERING-I AM NOT SURE IF ITS THE SAME .

THE JOHN WAS MY GRANDFATHER.

i CANNOT FIND A RECORD OF MARRIAGE BUT IT LOOKS AS IF THEY WED IN IRELAND AS THRE RECORDS SAY THAT THYE WERE BORN THERE...NOT SURE OF PLACE

ANY HELP GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED.....THANKS SO MUCH.
SANDRA DONNELLY
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 29 September 09 19:39 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,
Welcome to Rootschat.  The records I have here end at 1917, so I can't look for the burial of Maria Keenan, sorry. If you have the parents names for Patrick I could have a look for him.
What I did find is the burial of one of their children.

PATRICK DONNELLY.  Wishaw, aged 11 months.
Parents - Patrick Donnelly and Maria Keenan.
Interred in public ground, 21st May 1878.

What you should do is look for the birth of this child, it should give his parents date and place of marriage in Ireland.

I checked the 1881 census.

(1881 - 628 - 20 - 30).

20 Berryhill Front Row, Wishaw.

All surnames are Donnelly, apart from the last.

PATRICK, head of house, iron worker, married, aged 36 years, born Ireland.
MARIA, wife, married, aged 36 years, born Ireland.
MARY, daughter, unmarried, aged 17 years, born Ireland.
JOHN, son, aged 15 years, born Ireland.
BRIDGET, daughter, aged 12 years, born Ireland.
MICHAEL, son, aged 8 years, born Newmains, Cambusnethan.
ELIZABETH, daughter, aged 6 years, born Newmains.
CATHERINE, daughter, aged 6 months, born Wishaw.
PATRICK GILHOOLY, lodger, aged 35 years, unmarried, labourer, born Ireland.

So, the 1901 census works out right, the parents are still alive and their younger children are with them.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Tuesday 29 September 09 20:38 BST (UK)
thank you so much
I gave found patrick who died in 1921
and maria
died 1922
Theyare buried together in cambusnethan,
Patricks parents were thomas and bridget mcmannus-can you find them?
 I am coming to lanark to visit their graves soon
Thanks  so much again
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: ard on Tuesday 29 September 09 21:23 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger - I have just come across this post through another members request for a Halliday look up. I am also related to Halliday in this area. Some of my relatives were buried in other cemeteries such as Carluke but some in Cambusnethan.

For some I have the burial info but not the greater picture (such as who else was buried along with)

If you could help me with any of these, I'd be most grateful. My pilgrimage to Scotland is still several years away!

JAMES DICK, moulder, Wishaw, unmarried, aged 59 years.
Parents - Ambrose Dick and Elizabeth Stevenson.
Interred 3rd Nov 1880.


JOHN HALLIDAY, coalminer, aged 69 years.
Parents - John Halliday and Elizabeth Dick.
Interred 18th Oct 1916.
Owner of plot -
Elizabeth Anderson or Halliday (2nd wife; he was previously married to Elizabeth McLennan)
grave 1502 section A of new Cambusnethan cemetery


ROBERT HALLIDAY
Parents - John Halliday and Elizabeth Dick.
Interred 15th Dec 1916
and
his wife MARY HALLIDAY,
Parents - William Allan and Jane Smith.
Interred 17th Feb 1914. Cambusnethan, Section C plot No.73


Maybe (I don't have where buried)

1875 Deaths Cambusnethan Parish in Lanark County.
Elizabeth Halliday, widow of John Halliday, coalminer
February twentieth
Ambrose Dick, Iron Moulder, (deceased)
Elizabeth Dick, M.S.. Stevenson (deceased)

JOHN HALLIDAY, coalminer, aged 69 years.
Parents - John Halliday and Elizabeth Dick.
Interred 18th Oct 1916.
Owner of plot -
Elizabeth Anderson or Halliday (2nd wife; he was previously married to Elizabeth McLennan)

Also, I'm really not sure which cemetery they are buried in but they lived in the same general area so if you come across LEGGAT;

James Leggat : about 1817-1880 I think and wife Jane  Frew about 1823 - 1901 I think

Isabella Frew maybe earlier than Jane and William Deans...

ALSO

Isabella Frew Leggat b 1844 and  husband William Watson b.1840
Janet  Leggat  b1855 and husband William Ferguson b 1854


I realize that is a lot to ask and I have no idea how much trouble but any help is appreciated!

cheers

ard
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Tuesday 29 September 09 22:10 BST (UK)
 I CANT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THIS HELP.
20 BERRYHILL ROW HOLDS THE KEY-IS IT STILL THERE?
PATRICK WAS A FURNACE WORKER-WHAT WOULD THE WORKS HAVE BEEN? ARE THERE ANY PICTURES?
I HAVE AN INTERRMENT NUMBER FOR MY FAMILY.
PLOT E1273 AND I HAVE THE MAP-BETWEEN WISHAW AND NEWMAINS?

THERE ARE 2 OTHER PEOPLE BURIED IN THE PLOT
MC CONVILLE  ISABEL AND PATRICK
SINCEPATRICK AND MARIA  DIDNT HAVE A DAUGHTER CALLED ISABEL-BUT THEY HAD A GIRL CALLED ELIZABETH....... COULD THIS BE A CHANGE OF NAME OR IS THIS LADY  ONE OF MARIAS SISTERS?
 PATRICK AND MARIA WERE MARRIED IN CO. LONGFORD IN 1862.
ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: ard on Wednesday 30 September 09 00:20 BST (UK)
just musing....
I had my gg grandmother's sister's family  that also lived at Berryhill row [ 1881  Margaret, nee Halliday and David Littlejohn] - I'm also finding it amazing how many surnames in this topic are related in one way or another to my family lines - doing research of Cambusnethan ancestors, I really get a sense that there are very intricate family webs involved!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 30 September 09 01:22 BST (UK)
Hi Ard,

JAMES DICK. Interred 3rd Nov 1880.
He is in Section C No.73.
Others in that grave are -

CATHERINE HALLIDAY. Wishaw, aged 2 months.
Parents - John Halliday and Elizabeth McLennan.
Interred 17 Feb 1885.

Still Born McPhail, Wishaw.
Parents - Archibald McPhail and Jeanie Leggate.
Interred 13 Oct 1890.

JANE ALLAN. allanton Colliery, 81 years, widow.
Father - John Smith.
Interred 18 Oct 1893.

Also 2 you already have -
Mary Allan, 17 Feb 1914 and husband Robert Halliday 15 Dec 1916.

------------

I have no other entry for Section A N0.1502 apart from John Halliday 1916. But the records I have end at 1917.

I only have burials in common ground for 1875, sorry.

No Leggat 1880 and no Frew circa 1901.

To make a search I have to have parents names, can't search with spouses names, sorry.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 30 September 09 01:28 BST (UK)
Sandra,
Berryhill Rows have long gone, dont know where Patrick was employed, sorry.
If you want to know who the McConvilles are, the cemetries office at North Lanarkshire Council in Bellshill should be able to tell you their parents names (if known) by sending the plot number and section. Google NLC for the link.

Cambusnethan cemetery is between Wishaw and Newmains, easy to find.

good luck,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: ard on Wednesday 30 September 09 02:02 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking Lodger - a bit of a mish mash of family members but all identifiable, including baby McPhail!

I was hoping that I could possibly find out the parents for James Leggat and Jane Frew but alas - not this way! Would you happen to know which cemetery would be connected to Dalziel/Motherwell... or perhaps there are several....

cheers,

ard
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 30 September 09 08:13 BST (UK)
It would depend on what years you are talking about, it could be The Globe, Airbles or if they were RC, St Patricks in New Stevenson
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: ard on Wednesday 30 September 09 15:55 BST (UK)
Thanks Sancti- I asked because having never been there I really no sense of the size. My interest would probably be from the 19C mid to late 19C. I doubt RC but at least the couple of names you gave me gives me something to go by!
Thanks again,
ard
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Friday 02 October 09 15:08 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger,

Can you please tell me if you have any info in the Cambusnethan Burial Records for an ALEXANDER SCOTT who died 10th March 1868. He died in West Calder but I have checked and there is no record of his burial there. He lived in Cambusnethan at the 1851 Census and his widow Christina was living in Cambusnethan in 1871.

Thanks,
Davie.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 02 October 09 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi Davie,
you're in luck, Alexander and Christina are buried in the Private cemetery adjacent to the old churchyard, it's in an awful condition now but it was a lovely old place until a few years ago.
The lair number is "Private 487".
buried there are the following -

ALEXANDER SCOTT. colliery manager, West Calder, aged 41 years, married.
Parents - William Scott and Margaret Anderson.
Interred 14 March 1868.

CHRISTINA SCOTT.  Wishaw, aged 52 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Ellis and Ann Jamieson.
Interred 18 June 1879.

ELIZABETH ELLIS
.  Bothwell, aged 20 months.
Parents - Robert Ellis and Janet Muirhead.
Interred 2 June 1880.

JANET ELLIS, housewife, Midcalder, aged 37 years.
Parents - William Muirhead and Elizabeth Russell.
Interred 4 November 1890.

THOMAS NICOL ELLIS. Shettleston, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - Robert Ellis and Ann Nicol.
Interred 17 December 1891.

JOHN ELLIS.  Tollcross, aged 7 months.
Parents - Robert Ellis and Annie Nicol.
Interred 3 June 1893.

ELIZABETH MOFFAT ELLIS.  Shettleston, aged 11 months.
Parents - Robert Ellis and Ann Nicol.
Interred 11 November 1895.

ANNIE ELLIS.  Housewife, Coatbridge.  34 years, married.
Parents - Thomas Nicol and Elizabeth Moffat.
Interred 22 April 1899.

I think you may already have the monumental inscription from the old churchyard for John Ellis and Elizabeth Gardner.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Saturday 03 October 09 08:52 BST (UK)
Thanks again Lodger  :) Yes, I already have the details on John Ellis & Elizabeth Gardner.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Saturday 03 October 09 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi Greenpaula, leave it with me, it may take a week or so. There are "millions" of Hoeys in Craigneuk, all related.

Lodger.

Hi Lodger
Anything will be useful - I suspected there were a lot, judging by the number of children my husband's great grandfather had, and the numbers they had in turn!
Look forward to hearing from you,
Greenpaula
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Ann Baker on Tuesday 06 October 09 01:37 BST (UK)
Ah Berryhills row! My lot lived there too - Mairs & Stewarts

Lodger

I have the Cambusnethan MI book and my guys are not in there - not surprised a wee bit fiscally challeneged I think. Do you have access to actual burial records? If so can I send you a wee query?

Thanks

Ann :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 06 October 09 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi Ann, send a query and include maiden surnames. The burial records for the old churchyard only begin in the 3rd quarter of the 19th C.
The records I have for the "new" cemetery end early 1917.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: annieBL on Tuesday 20 October 09 13:31 BST (UK)
Hi,

This is my first post so please be gentle with me.  :) 

I'm trying to find lair information for an ancestor.  Her death certificate records that she is buried in Cambusnethan New Churchyard.  Her name is Marion McCallum (nee McLean) and she died on 28/03/1857.  Her husband John McCallum died in 1865 and may also be buried there.  Can anyone help? I am going to Scotland this weekend and would like to visit the grave if possible.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 20 October 09 22:27 BST (UK)
Hello AnnieBL and welcome to rootschat.

I don't have any records for 1857, apart from the monumental inscriptions for the old churchyard and no sign of Marion's death on any of them. 
I doubt very much that there are any burial records from that time.

There is only one John McCallum recorded in the burial records for 1865.  He is described as a "Pensioner" (which would probably be an army pensioner) his abode is listed as Wishaw and his age was 97 years. Father was Donald McCallum, no mention of his mother.
He was probably interred in common ground, as he is in the "common" register, he may however, have been buried in a family plot at the expense of the Parish Council, but I don't think there will be any way to prove that. (unless you think that some of his family were buried at Cambusnethan at a later date?) .
Date of internment was July 25th 1865 in the old burial ground.
If you know of any of his children who may also have been buried there let me know - spouses names too if possible.

Sorry I couldn't get anything else.  I hope you enjoy your visit to this area - bring an umbrella!

Grangeburn.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Wednesday 21 October 09 00:21 BST (UK)
 OH THE THRILL!  THANKS SO MUCH.I HAVE FOUND MY FAMILY IN CAMBUSNETHAN AND THE NLC PHONE NUMBER WAS VERY HELPFUL.

NOW I NEED TO FIND ROBERT SCOTT-MINER- MARRIED TO MARY MULLEN AGED 17 -HOUSEKEEPER- ON 11TH DECEMBER 1879 FROM CALEDONIA ROAD WISHAW

MARY LATER LEFT ROBERT AND BECAME GRANNY HADDOW.....HER RELATIONS WERE PADDY MULLEN,A WORTHY OF FABLE IN  THE FORESTERS HALL.....

ARE THERE ANY GRAVES WITH THESE NAMES ON THEM?
THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL HELP.

BONNIEJEAN  -  DONNELLY SEARCH
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: annieBL on Wednesday 21 October 09 07:44 BST (UK)
Lodger, thank you so much for that information.  Yes, John McCallum was a Chelsea Pensioner (I'm also following that lead up at the mo).  John's daughter, Agnes, was married to Joseph Calderhead.  Joseph Calderhead was the informant on John McCallum's death certificate.

Agnes died in Cambusnethan on 15/11/1892 (aged 62 although her death certificate says aged 58) so I think she will be buried in Cambusnethan cemetery.  Joseph Calderhead died in Fife in 1901 so I suspect that he will not be found in Cambusnethan.  If you are able to offer any further information, it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 11:38 BST (UK)
AnnieBL.

I found the burial records for Joseph Calderhead and Agnes McCallum.
They are both buried in the old churchyard in a family plot owned (at that time) by Joseph Harris.
There is monumental inscription to correspond with this plot.
Here is a list of those interred, there may be more, either before the first date mentioned here, or after the last date.

Buried in the North lair are -
HELEN BURNSIDE, aged 64 years. Interred 8th dec 1882.
CLAYTON CALDERHEAD, aged 37 years. Interred 22nd Sept 1904.
MARION CALDERHEAD, aged 2 years. Interred 12th April 1898.
Buried in the Centre lair -
DONAL McCALLUM, aged 59 years. Interred 2nd May 1885.
Buried in the South lair -
AGNES CALDERHEAD, aged 59 years. Interred 18th Nov 1892.
JOSEPH CALDERHEAD, aged 70 years. Interred 15th May 1901.
MAGGIE McCLELLAND, aged 2 years and 5 months. Interred 26th August 1902.

---------------------------------------------------------

I couldn't find parents names for any of the above, no day-book of internments for the old churchyard has survived, apart from paupers who were buried there.

Had a look through the rest of the records, this is what I came up with, a mixed bag I'm afraid.

found a plot in the new cemetery, No554 Section E.
Interred there are -
JANE SCOTT, Motherwell, aged 8 years.
Parents - John Scott and Marion Rennie.
Interred 13th Nov 1896.
JANE RENNIE, housewife, Motherwell, aged 77 years.
Parents - James Calderwood and Jane Harris.
Interred 26th April 1911.
JOHN SCOTT, coalminer, 12 Delburn St, Motherwell, aged 64 years.
Parents unknown.
Interred 12th Jan 1917.

----------------------------------------
Also found the following 4 burials -

MARY CALDERHEAD, Wishaw, aged 10 months.
Parents - Joseph Calderhead and Agnes McCallum.
Interred in old churchyard (common ground) 14th April 1865.

AGNES RENNIE, Kerr's Pit, Dalziel, aged 15 months.
Parents - Clayton Rennie and Jane Calderhead.
Interred in old churchyard (common ground) 26th Nov 1870.

JANE CALDERHEAD, Wishaw, aged 61 years, widow.
Parents - Joseph Harris and Jane Loudon.
Interred in old churchyard (common gd) 31st July 1877.

AGNES G CALDERHEAD, Wishaw, aged 19 months.
Mother - Jane Calderhead.
Interred old churchyard (common gd) 31st July 1877.

I would think that the last 2 were perhaps grandmother and granddaughter? Both buried on the same day.

That's the best I can do Annie.

Grangeburn.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 11:40 BST (UK)
So sorry Annie BL, I should have said NO monumental inscription at the Harris plot.
Grangeburn.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Wednesday 21 October 09 12:30 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

I hope you don't think I'm being cheeky, but have you had time to look for my Hoeys yet in the records?

Would really appreciate it

many thanks

Paula
 :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: annieBL on Wednesday 21 October 09 13:24 BST (UK)
Lodger, you are an absolute star!  ;D   You have confirmed some names that are on my 'to investigate' list and have given me a starting point.  Of course, you have also given me quite a few new queries to add to the 'to investigate list' but that's all part of the fun.  Thank you so much for your time and trouble.  Annie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Wednesday 21 October 09 15:29 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Have been following this thread for awhile and finally got up the courage to ask if you can please help me with the following.

Mary Craig,m.s. Fulton, d. Feb 22 1870
George Craig d. May 16 1898
Mary Craig, Mar. 16 1867
Alexander Craig d. May 21 1865
Charlotte Craig d. July 23 1870. Charlotte did in Auchleck Ayr, but wondered if she could have been buried along side her mother, Mary.
These deaths were both in Hamilton and Cambusnathan

Also George Craig d. May 6 1876, Cambusnathan
James Craig d. Dec 30 1893, Cambusnathan

Mary Craig, m.s. Craig, married to William Craig. William Craig, d. 1916, was buried in a plot belonging to his son in law William Ferguson/Toryusen in Cmbusnathan.

It would be great to find where my family members are buried. Planning on a trip to Scotland next spring.

Regards

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 17:07 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

I hope you don't think I'm being cheeky, but have you had time to look for my Hoeys yet in the records?

Would really appreciate it

many thanks

Paula
 :)

Hi Paula, I will be in touch as soon as I can find the information, I have it in hand, don't worry.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 17:26 BST (UK)
Hello again Mary,

I cannot find any of these people, and I have already given you the details of the 1916 death.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Wednesday 21 October 09 17:52 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks for answering.

Do you have any idea which other cemetery would be used for people living in Cambusnathan and Motherhill?

Mary.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 18:44 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks for answering.

Do you have any idea which other cemetery would be used for people living in Cambusnathan and Motherhill?

Mary.

Mary,

Cambusnethan old churchyard and adjoining municipal cemetery is the only burial place in the parish, apart from the ancient burial ground at Carbarns, rarely used after the 18th century, apart from estate workers from Wishaw Estate.  The records for that ground are like hens teeth. Unless your family had an old connection with farming in the wishaw area, they wont be at Carbarns.

Motherwell.
There is an ancient parish burial ground, which was still used by old families of Dalziel parish up until the 1950s.
There is another parish burial ground around the now abandoned South Dalziel Parish Church on Windmillhill Street.  Again, mostly old Dalziel families. first internment there would be about 1783, it has been closed for many years now.

The Globe cemetery, opened around 1876 as Dalziel Parish Cemetery.  The Local History Room at Motherwell Heritage Centre has a complete transcript of the excellent records for this cemetery.  The cemetery is now closed I presume, it is so out of the way and has been vandalised.

Airbles Cemetery was opened in 1905 and is still very much in use.  There are excellent records in the care of North Lanarkshire Council.  I think the web site is www.northlan.gov.uk  from there it should be fairly simple to find the proper department.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Wednesday 21 October 09 18:54 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks so much for the information. I`ll see what I can find find. It would be nice to find some graves to visit.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Wednesday 21 October 09 22:58 BST (UK)
Hi
I wondered if you could help me with some families who I think are buried at Cambusnethan if not St Patricks New Stevenson they are Leonard ,Slowey and McGlory all between 1920/1930
Thanks
Ree (Chesapek)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 October 09 23:58 BST (UK)
Hi Ree,

I dont have any Cambusnethan records for those dates, sorry.
I don't have anything for St Pat's, the records are all kept at the cemetery as far as I know. No duplicate books at North Lanarkshire council Cemeteries office. Records for St Pat's begin at 1926.

Not so many Leonards in Wishaw, there was one family in Craigneuk, Hugh, Cathie and Margaret.

Quite a clan of them in Shotts, one of them had a bookmakers shop, Michael I think.

I only knew one family named Slowey, one of them, George, was a baker, they lived in the Tinto area of Wishaw.
There was a family of Sloweys lived at 75 Hill Street in the 1920s.

McGlory is a new name to me.

Sorry I couldn't help.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: jenter on Friday 23 October 09 08:49 BST (UK)
Annie BL
Please contact me re CALDERHEAD family History
My GG grandparents Maggie Calerhead - James Calerhead

regards Jennifer
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Friday 23 October 09 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Thanks for your reply i wondered if you could find out anything about Margaret Leonard born in Brown Street Newmains in 1890  she had a son Patrick born 1907 in Newmains to Patrick Slowey from Berry Hill in Wishaw (they did not Marry) she went on to Auchentorlie House in Paisley around 1908/09 she later married a Mr Law who died in Hawkshead Aslyum around 1920 (according to poorlaw records) she then Married a Mr Kelly a cooperative van driver in 1926 in a Church in Kinning Park Glasgow she died around 1967 I know she had family at least 2 sons and a daughter
Also I am looking to find the grave on Patrick Slowey born around 1948 he only lived for a few days I think he is buried in Cambusnethan possibly beside Leonards

Thanks Ree
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 24 October 09 07:45 BST (UK)
Hi Ree,

The records I have end at 1917, sorry.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: lud on Saturday 24 October 09 12:44 BST (UK)
Hello Ree, and Friends
forgive me if this has been posted before , but I feel it's worth checking out.
Local Studies, Motherwell Heritage Centre (01698251000) has the following
Cambusnethan Cemetery internments 1861-1955 on CD rom
Airbles Cemetery internments  1905-1979 on CD rom
Globe Cemetery also known as Camp and Dalziel 1876-1955 on cd rom, this is just a snippet of what's availiable at M.H.C.
Hope this Helps
Lud
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Sunday 25 October 09 00:52 BST (UK)
Thank you Lud & Lodger
will keep looking
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 25 October 09 11:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I've been trying to piece together the McGhie family who pop up in my husband's family tree with regular monotony!  I was wondering if you might have some cemetery records for James McGhie who died 08 Jul 1890 and for his wife, Jane Close who died in 1903.

Any other family members interred there with them would be of interest to me also.

With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 25 October 09 15:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Sage,

I'm away from home this week, I'll get back to you as soon as I can check the records.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Tuesday 27 October 09 16:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Ghobhainn,

Nice of you to take an interest in the McNeil clan.  My interest comes about because I have been entrusted with a McNeil family register which was passed down through my husband's family members.  It risked being tossed out so as an avid researcher and keeper of family treasures, I undertook to be the protector of the McNeil family bible.  This family register was presented to Malcolm McNeil and Janet Gibson upon their marriage in Carluke in 1878 and the births, marriages and deaths of their offspring have been diligently recorded by family members over the years.  It's quite the worse for wear but I have scanned it as a pdf file and stored the original carefully but anyone who takes an interest is more than welcome to have a copy.  Malcolm McNeil was Duncan's younger brother.

I hope that some of the information that Lodger traced on my behalf was helpful to you as well.

Cheers for now,

Heather.
I have an interest in your pdf file as my link would be through the Prentice/Jane Gibson McNeil arm.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: jenter on Wednesday 28 October 09 08:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Annie B
My Grandmother Jeannie Calderhead - GG Grandmother Margaret Calderhead - GGG Grandmother Agnes McCallum
my email (*)
regards Jennie - Australia

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Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: annieBL on Saturday 31 October 09 08:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Annie B
My Grandmother Jeannie Calderhead - GG Grandmother Margaret Calderhead - GGG Grandmother Agnes McCallum
my email (*)
regards Jennie - Australia

Jennie, I sent you a pm and an e-mail.  Did you get them?  Just wondered.  :)

Annie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: peroxlox on Tuesday 24 November 09 21:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Arthur (Goldenplomp)

Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman are my gggggrandparents. I have some names and dates going back a further 3 generations mostly from Bothwell area.

Let me know if you're still looking.

Perox
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Abigail2 on Wednesday 16 December 09 00:18 GMT (UK)
 ::) :-* :)

Just came across this post and I am also seeking info on rellies I believe buried at Cambusnethan:

Thomas Moffat born 6 June 1824, died circa 1875

Jane Stewart, wife of above, born 1821, believed died after 1881

and possibly, son of above, Alexander Moffat/Moffatt, born 1845, died after 1881

this family born and married in Cambusnethan  2+ generations

Would like to find their resting places

Abi - Australia 

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 16 December 09 11:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Abigail,
The only thing I could come up with is a burial for a Thomas Moffat but I don't know if it is the one you are looking for.

THOMAS MOFFAT, coalminer, residence - Carluke.
Parents - James Moffat and Mary Douglas.
Interred in the old churchyard in common ground, 24th Aug 1877.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Abigail2 on Wednesday 16 December 09 19:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Lodger,

I am sure that is our Tom!

Much appreciation

Merry Christmas to you and yours

Abi - Australia

 :) ;) ;D 8) ::) :-*
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 17 December 09 01:40 GMT (UK)
So sorry Abi, the entry also read "aged 53 years, status - married".
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Abigail2 on Thursday 17 December 09 04:16 GMT (UK)
 :) ;) ;D :-*

Thanks again Lodger, that is exactly the right age.

Just a thought - Tom's wife may be listed under "Jean" Moffatt/Stewart 

Very glad to know Tom's resting place!

Again, many thanks

Abi - Australia

 :) ;) ;D ::) :-*
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 17 December 09 15:38 GMT (UK)
No, I would have picked-up on that, Jane and Jean are synonymous in Scotland. The records I have are not complete, she may well be buried in Cambusnethan but she's not in the years that I have records for.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Abigail2 on Friday 18 December 09 08:31 GMT (UK)
 :) ;) ::) :-*

Thanks again Lodger,

Just great  to know where Tom is after all this time

All the best for 2010

Abi - Australia

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: norwayjean on Thursday 07 January 10 20:06 GMT (UK)
Cambusnethan old churchyard
Is there any Nisbet (any spelling) mentioned there?

Thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 07 January 10 23:27 GMT (UK)
Can you tell me a little more than just a surname?
Perhaps a first name and a female maiden surname to cross-check with?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: norwayjean on Thursday 07 January 10 23:50 GMT (UK)
I am looking for Nisbet and trying fit them together taking there is more than one of these family members there. Am researching and trying to correct a family genealogy published back in 1916

Specifically I do know that Anne Nisbet a spinster is buried there Her will said
"Wishes to be buried Old Church Yard of Cambusnethan in spot where her “niece Mary Ann Nisbet was interred and a monument be erected over it with this inscription “Sacred to the descendants of Archibald Nisbet Esquire of Carfin, and Emilia Stuart daughter of the Honourable Archibald Stuart of Duncearn second son of James Earl of Moray”

I have no idea how this niece fits in

I also have her sister married to Captain James Sinclair-LOCKHART (b.abt.1736) Esq of Castlehill ,  that I believe is probably also buried there- The genealogy for them that I have found says he was married to Anne but my information says MARY EMELIA
 Believe other Nisbet family members may also be buried there
Any help  at all is appreciated
Thanks from Norway

Forgot to say she Ann died in 1833 and her sister in 1830 her niece I have no idea
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 08 January 10 11:15 GMT (UK)
Jean, the church yard in question is not the one at Cambusnethan village, it is the ancient, pre-reformation burial ground at Kirkhill (Carbarns). This is the site of the original parish church.
The parish church in Cambusnethan village was built in 1630 to replace the one at Kirkhill, and is now itself a ruined shell.

You will find information on the parish at this website - http://www.scotek.net/home.htm

Go into Messageboard and click on Books.

The picture below is of the old burial ground at Kirkhill, some poeple call it Carbarns, it was taken about 1910 and has been vandalised beyond belief since then. The large tomb (now empty) was for Lord and Lady Belhaven and Stenton. The buildings to the left (now in total ruin) were built on the site of the ancient church and were the family vaults of the Lockharts of Castlehill (lairds of Cambusnethan) and the Sommerville family.
Sir Walter Scott I believe, was married to one of the Lockhart daughters'.
The Scottish Genealogy Society has Monumental Inscriptions taken in 1974 and may be worth consulting. http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/
Motherwell Heritage Centre has MIs taken at a much later date and if I were you, I'd consult the SGS ones first.

Hope this helps a little.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: norwayjean on Friday 08 January 10 11:51 GMT (UK)
Thanks
Helps a lot and thanks for the picture
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Thursday 14 January 10 21:30 GMT (UK)
As long time lurker, I just want to say thanks to the posters in this thread for bringing to my attention records that I'd no idea existed - I've found so much more information, so thank you.

I recently looked at the Cambusnethan cemetery records at Motherwell and found lots of my people there, but I have a few questions about the records. Forgive me if I'm being rather presumptuous asking so many questions first time.

1) I think there was mention of the records having some gaps - does anyone know if this is true? I am looking for a couple who both died in 1903 and I was sure would be buried in Cambusnethan, but nothing in the records. Not that unusual, except I found generations of the same family from before and after this. (Also couldn't find a burial from 1955/56 which I am certain took place there)

2) I found a large number of people in the records from mid-1800s on, but not one of them is in the Cambusnethan MI booklet from LFHS. Could this mean there are no graves (at least not legible) for any of the names I've found? Or am I just looking at the wrong cemetery?

3) Are burials in common ground usually labelled as such in the cemetery records? I was concerned a few of mine might fall into this category but none of them seemed to be listed as such.

4) Is there any other way of finding out (even roughly) where in the graveyards the various lairs are (e.g. anywhere I could write to even)? I know it has been suggested that someone on duty there might be able to help but I'm conscious of the fact that I have a lot of them and I'd just be a nuisance.

Apologies if this has been a bit long, but thanks again for the enormous help this thread has already been to me.

Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sarah.p on Wednesday 27 January 10 16:50 GMT (UK)
I'm also looking for graves in the area. I went to the Bellshill Family History Centre last weekend, but they're only open Monday-Friday.

I'm looking for Bridget Barret = John Stevenson
b. c1835 Ireland
d. 8 Apr 1899 Dalziel

also Peter Bogan
b. c1849 Ireland
d. 1902 Carluke

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Wednesday 27 January 10 22:30 GMT (UK)
I paid a visit to the cemetery at the weekend as I was heading that way, and I think it's clarified a few things for me. I have to say though that if anyone finds what they're looking for in the old churchyard they're very lucky as it's really in a bad way. I note now that several graves are included in an area that is cordoned off round the ruins, presumably for safety reasons, so there's no joy if anyone is looking there either.

I think I can simplify my request now but I'll save it for another post. Again, thanks to all who have contributed to this thread and unknowingly already helped me greatly.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Wednesday 27 January 10 22:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger
Can you tell me do you have any information on a person buried in New Stevenson Graveyard around 1948  I asked at Cambusnethan and was told that RC were not buried at Cambusnethan at that time and also there is a Church at Cambusnethan Bourgh Boundary ( as it used to be called )and there used to be a graveyard outside it but now there are houses built there I think it was very old do you have any information on it
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 28 January 10 00:21 GMT (UK)
Whoever told you that Catholics were not allowed in Cambusnethan is talking rubbish! Catholics were not lepers, they had to be buried somewhere and the criteria for being buried, even in a church of Scotland parish churchyard was that you had to belong to the parish - regardless of what religion you were. (You also had to be dead). Cambusnethan cemetery is a public cemetery and anyone is entitled to be buried there, and that has always been the case since it opened in the 1860s.
There are thousands of Catholics buried in C/nethan, before and after 1942.
I don't have anything for New Stevenston, all the records are kept at that cemetery as far as I know.
As for the other cemetery now built over, that's a new one on me I'm afraid.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Thursday 28 January 10 12:21 GMT (UK)
It was at the office at the graveyard I was given this information I think the person was a grave digger but he did call and speak to someone as he couldn't find the person we were looking for thanks anyhow
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Thursday 04 February 10 17:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger - I'm looking for some help on a branch of my family (McCormicks) who were located in Cambusnethan for a large part of their lives.  I've been at GROS and searched ScotlandsPeople extensively, but I can't locate various bits of information on BMDs between 1800-1860.  The Motherwell registrars office were unable to assist either.

The family I am looking at is that of Alexander McCormick and Isabella Rodger.  I’ve found them in Cambusnethan in the 1841 (Wishawtown) and 1851 (Mid Wishaw) censuses.

1851 census extract
Piece: SCT1851/628 Place: Cambusnethan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 5            
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wishaw               
Folio: 649 Page: 65 Schedule: 239                     
Address: Mid Wishaw                     
MCCORMICK   Alexander   Head   M   M   66   Handloom Weaver    Ireland - -
MCCORMICK   Isabel   Wife   M   F   43      Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   Edward   Son   U   M   22   Coalminer    Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   Janet   Dau   U   F   20      Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   John   Son   U   M   18   Coalminer    Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   Margret   Dau   U   F   16      Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   Alexander   Son   U   M   12   Coalminer    Lanarkshire - Wishaw
MCCORMICK   James   Son   -   M   9      Lanarkshire - Wishaw

They also had one older child Sarah born about 1826 and three younger children, Elizabeth abt 1845 David abt 1851 and Thomas abt 1854 

The father Alexander was born in Ireland between 1783 and 1791.  I have his death register entry for 1866 in Dalziel, but I'm missing marriage and burial info.   

I have no birth info for Isabella or any of her ten children although all were born in Wishaw.  Anything you could unearth would be appreciated.

Isabella and some her children, John, Alexander, James, Elizabeth, David and Thomas all emigrated to the USA in 1868/9, but anything you can tell me about Sarah, Edward, Janet and Margaret would be appreciated.

Edward married a Mary Gemmel around 1852. Mary died between 1856 and 1860 but I can’t find anything about her B, M or D.  They had a son Alexaxander born in 1852 again with no birth record. They also had  a daughter Janet born in 1856 which I do have a record of.  I have all the post 1860 information I require on this family.
 
Thanks in advance for any help
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 04 February 10 21:44 GMT (UK)
EDCBA,

I'm not too sure what information you need. You say you have all the post 1860 stuff but then ask about sarah and Edward?

Alexander McCormick, cotton weaver, abode Windmillhill (Dalziel parish) aged 83 years, status - married.
Father - Edward McCormick, no mother's name given.
Burried in Cambusnethan old churchyard 21st December 1866.

There is lots of burial information about Sarah's children and grandchildren, also Edward and his 2nd wife Charlotte.
If you need that just let me know.
Have you checked this family on www.familysearch.org yet?

Regards,
Lodger.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Friday 05 February 10 11:29 GMT (UK)
Lodger – thank you very much for the burial info on Alexander(snr)

Apologies for being a bit all over the place. It was a really a little more than just the burial records I was looking for and I was hoping you might be able to give me a lead on these.  The absence of any OPR birth or marriage records for the family in Cambusnethan was perplexing for me.  There is minimal information on IGI for Alexander and Isabella's  family, i.e. one child listed with an approximate birth date.  The census data has actually provided me with more information.

I have all the post 1860 BMD information on Edward and his family (my direct line) but I hadn't started looking at his siblings until now.  I have information on those family members who emigrated to the USA but I had nothing on Sarah, Janet and Margaret, before I found this thread.

Some specific questions or guidance sought:

•   Do you know if there are any gaps in the Cambusnethan OPR records say from 1800-1854?
•   If not, do you know where can I find those birth and marriage records for Isabella and her 10 children when they are not available via GROS or IGI?
•   Do you have any BMD or burial records for Mary Gemmel (Edward’s 1st wife)? She died between 1856 and 1860.
•   Can you give me the burial information you have for Edward (and 2nd wife Charlotte) and family.
•   I have a lead from IGI that Sarah married an Edward Mullin/Mullen in 1854. Can you confirm that I have the correct Sarah and give me the burial records for the family.
•   Do you have anything for Margaret and Janet as the burial records would allow me to work backwards to identify the correct spouses etc.?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 February 10 16:48 GMT (UK)
EDCBA,

This is what I found, a bit complicated but I'll try to keep it simple.
Basically, the records I have for Cambusnethan are -
1. - Lair (plot) records for the old churchyard, beginning around 1878 - 80 and ending about 1916.
2. - Pauper burials, mostly in common ground 1861 - 1881 with a gap 1869 - 70. Sometimes, if the family already had a plot (usually in the old churchyard) the pauper would be buried there and the parish would pay for the funeral.
3. - Burials in the Private Cemetery (now owned by the local authority) 1861 - 1901. This was apart from the "new" cemetery opened in the 1860s by Cambusnethan parish council - now the "modern" Cambusnethan cemetery.
4. - Daily diaries of burials in the new cemetery 1876 - 1901 and 1906 - 1916 with a few entries for 1917.

So, from these records for example, a pauper who died in 1880 and buried in a family plot in the old churchyard, will show up twice. Once in the plot records, which only give plot owner's name, deceased's name, age, date of internment and position in the plot (usually north, south or centre and depth). Pauper will also appear in the records of internments of paupers, giving name, age, occupation, district of abode, marital status, parents names and date of burial - if all this information is known.

The name "Mullan" is here sometimes transcribed as Millen, it appears too often to be a transcription error, it is more likely to be how it was spoken by the "Millens" themselves.
This is the family of Mullens that Sarah married into, we know that from the internment in that plot of your ancestor Edward in 1881.

So, 1st of all, here is the residents of a family plot in the old churchyard of Cambusnethan. The owner (in Victorian times) was Edward Millen.

In the South lair -
ELIZABETH McCORMACK, aged 10 months, interred 7th June 1880.
MARY WALKER, aged 2 weeks, interred 26th Feb 1885.
ROBERT WALKER, aged 20 months, interred 16th April 1886.
FLORA McKAY WALKER, aged 18 months, interred 29th July 1887.
SARAH WALKER, aged 2 years, interred 10th July 1880.
FLORA McKAY WALKER, aged 4 years, interred 20th July 1880.
SAMUEL WALKER, aged 1 year, interred 24th August 1889.
In the Centre lair -
GEORGE LINDSAY, aged 2 months, interred 4th Sept 1880.
EDWARD McCORMACK, aged 51 years, interred 20th January 1881.
JOHN DAVIES, aged 5 months, interred 25th October 1881.
EDWARD McCORMACK WALKER, aged 1 year, interred 31st March 1882.
EDWARD M CHALMERS, aged 17 months, interred 9th August 1880.
ALEXANDER WALKER, aged 8 months, interred 9th March 1891.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM MILLEN, aged 21 years, interred 4th October 1883.
EDWARD MILLEN, aged 73 years, interred 28th January 1891.
JOHN McCORMACK, aged 26 years, interred 20th September 1882.
JANET KERR, aged 3 weeks, interred 2nd July 1895.

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Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 February 10 16:49 GMT (UK)
EDBCA Continued ---

From the paupers burial book -

EDWARD McCORMICK, miner, Dalserf, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - Alexander McCormick and Isabella Rodger.
Interred in old churchyard 20th January 1881.

STILLBORN MALE MULLEN, Newmains.
Parents - Edward Mullen and Sarah McCormick.
Interred in old churchyard 11th June 1869.

CHARLOTTE McCORMICK, dalserf (Netherburn), aged 6 years.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 21st January 1875.

STILLBORN FEMALE McCORMICK, Overtown.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 19th June 1878.

ELIZABETH McCORMICK, Overtown, aged 10 months.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 7th June 1880.

GEORGE LINDSAY, Overtown, aged 2 months.
Parents - John Lindsay and Isabella McCormick.
Interred in old churchyard 4th September 1880.

-----------------------------

From the daily register of the new cemetery -

JOHN MULLEN, briquette worker, Cambusnethan, aged 50 years, married.
Parents - Edward Mullen and Sarah McCormick.
Interred in plot 2340 section C. 10th May 1915.
Plot owned by Mrs Christine Rae or Mullen, 22 Anderson Street, Cambusnethan.

-------------------
Someone is researching the Mullen family on familysearch.org
From that site -
Janet Mullin born Newmains, 16th July 1866.
Parents - Edward Mullin born Newmains 4th July 1825 died 25th January 1890. and Sarah McCormick born 31st October 1826 died 18th December 1919. They married at Dalziel 7th November 1854.
Janet Mullin married Duncan Stewart and she died at Craigview, (probably the name of a house) Sandford, Scotland. The only Sandford I know of is between Stonehouse and Strathaven, here in Lanarkshire.
-------------------------

Can't find anything on Edward's 1st wife, all I can see is that he married Charlotte at Dalziel 1st June 1860.

As for gaps in the OPRs, I would say that Cambusnethan baptism register was pretty good, but perhaps the McCormicks were Catholic? or even non-conformists, such as Episcopalians, Baptists, Free Church of Scotland etc. Most of these records are on Scotlandspeople. I wonder how the Mullin researcher found Sarah's date of birth to be 1826?

Don't see any obvious Janet's or Margaret's, siblings of Edward in the burial records. There is a Margaret McCormick and her spouse Thomas Palmer recorded as being the parents of Neilson Palmer, buried in common ground at Cambusnethan in 1866. The address then was Muirhouse (Newmains) and then another child of the same name buried in 1875, this time the abode is Glasgow.

Hope this makes some sense1

Lodger


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Friday 05 February 10 17:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger - you help has been most appreciated.   :D

I will now try and make sense of what you have given me, by identifying the various families and marriages, then pay another visit to Register House.

I actually drove to the cemetery (from Edinburgh) earlier today and just had a walk around to see if I could find any familiar names. The old part is in pretty poor condition but I believe that I located Sarah's grave in one of the newer sections. Certainly the 1919 death date matches that of the Millen researcher.  The plot looks like it belongs to the "Maclean" family with a Janet Maclean, Thomas Maclean, Margaret Mullen and Sarah McCormack Mullen all listed on the headstone. Sarah's age is given as 96 (b.1823?).  However, I concur with the 1826 birth date, as she was listed at age 14 in the 1841 Census.

I'm certain that the McCormicks were not Roman Catholics as I have records for several of the marriages of Alexander/Isabella's children, two with banns in the Established Church of Scotland at Cambusnethan and Larkhall, one in the United Presbyterian Church Larkhall plus Edward's 2nd marriage in the Methodist church, Dalziel.  One of the son's wives was actually employed as a domestic servant at Cambusnethan Manse.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Monday 08 February 10 14:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Hope you can help me with this one.

My gr. gr. grandfather George Craig, age 69, died May 16,1898, Newmains. Wonder if you have anything for him at the Cambusnathan cemetary. His wife Mary Fulton Craig d. 22 Feb. 1870, Quarter, Hamilton. Any idea where she would be buried? There was also at least 2 children who also died in Hamilton.

We`re planning a trip to Scotland in Aug. and hoping to find some graves to visit.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 08 February 10 17:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Mary, the only entry I could find was for a son of George and Mary. I don't have all the records, perhaps you should contact North Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries service, and for Hamilton try Hamilton Public Library reference department in Cadzow Street, they have the Day Book for the Bent cemetery on microfilm.
The only Cambusnethan entry is this one -

WILLIAM CRAIG. Furnace keeper, 16 Branchal Road Cambusnethan, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - George Craig and Mary Fulton.
Interred in plot 2136 section E, 28th July 1916.
Plot owned by William Ferguson, cement worker, 1 Hope Street Cambusnethan.

Regards ....... Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Monday 08 February 10 20:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks for your reply. I`ll see what I can find  with those 2 contacts.

Yes, you have given me the info re. William Craig some months back.

Cheers.

Mary.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: JayGirl on Wednesday 10 February 10 03:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I'm just new to this site and have been reading all the messages and was wondering if you would mind looking up a burial for me please.  My gg grandmother's name was Margaret Mitchell (ms Paterson), wife of William Mitchell.  The family were living in Cambusnethan in 1851 but I haven't yet been able to locate her death/burial records.
Many thanks for your time
Janie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 10 February 10 09:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Janie,
Welcome to Rootschat.
I couldn't find Margaret, sorry. The burial records only begin at 1861 for Cambusnethan. There is nothing for any of her children at a later date, so perhaps they moved away? No monumental inscription in the old churchyard either.
Good luck with your research.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: bleckie on Wednesday 10 February 10 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger
I am looking for Robert Boyes Smith Died Feb1899, Married to Mary Livingston also his parents
William Smith & Jessie Smith (Boyes)

Yours Aye
BruceL
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 10 February 10 16:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Bruce,

I don't have anything for this family, sorry. I don't have the 1899 paupers burials, many working-class people had paupers funerals or were at least partially funded by the parochial board but I don't have the records for that decade.
Boyes is quite a rare name in Cambusnethan.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: bleckie on Thursday 11 February 10 07:34 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger


many thanks for having a look for me
Yours Aye
BruceL
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Sunday 14 February 10 22:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Do you have any info on inscriptions or the ownership of lairs in the old churchyard?

There is a headstone there that may belong to my 4xGG, John Rodger.  The top half of the headstone is now unreadable, but the bottom half reads:

"also John Rodger his father who died 12th May 1842 aged 55 years"  

The date and age fit in with what I would expect but any additional  information you have would be appeciated.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 15 February 10 10:07 GMT (UK)
EDCBA,
I am not at home this week but will check when I get bqck, unless someone else has a copy of the MIs;

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Monday 15 February 10 18:22 GMT (UK)
Hi EDCBA,

I've checked the MI booklet for Cambusnethan and found the stone you're referring to (there are a few other Rodgers but I think this is the only John referred to). Not much more to go on, but hopefully enough to help you out:

"Erected by (.........................) in memory of his daughter who died 1838 aged 22 (months). Also his father John Rodger who died 12th May 1842 aged 55 years. Very worn stone."

Hope that's of some use to you.

Good luck,
Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Monday 15 February 10 19:23 GMT (UK)
Hi LWLen

Thanks for your help.  It's another small step forward, particularly that there are no other John Rodger residents in the cemetery.  ;)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Tuesday 16 February 10 18:03 GMT (UK)
It's another small step forward, particularly that there are no other John Rodger residents in the cemetery.  ;)

If only it were that simple! This was just taken from the Cambusnethan MI booklet put out by Lanarkshire FHS. Obviously that's limited to the area they covered and the stones that were readable - if the dates tie in, that's a positive sign, but it's probably worth a check of the burial records to see if there are any others (although I'm not sure how far back they go).

Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 16 February 10 19:25 GMT (UK)
The Cambusnethan MIs were actually transcribed in 1982 and freely donated to LFHS much later. They cover all the old churchyard but not the adjacent "private" burial ground which was opened about 1860. Nor do they cover the modern cemetery, opened about the same time.
So there is almost 30 years of erosion and vandalism since the MIs were transcribed and it is incredible just how much of the information has been lost in that time.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Tuesday 16 February 10 20:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks LWLen & Lodger

I know that my 4xG grandfather, John Rodger (from Overtown) and Janet Lindsay (from Wishawtown), had an illegitimate daughter in 1807, called Isabella (my 3xG grandmother).  I have a copy of Isabella's birth/baptism record from Cambusnethan OPRs. If I have identified the right John Rodger from the headstone, he would be about 20 when Isabella was born which sounds about right to me.

I know what happend to Isabella and most of her family, in that  she and four of her children emigrated to the USA in 1868/9. I also know from burial records that her husband Alexander McCormick (1866), daughter Sarah (1919)  and son Edward (1881) and other family members were all buried in the Cambusnethan cemetery grounds.

I am now looking to find out what I can about the previous generation hence my interest in John Rodger and Janet Lindsay.  I don't have verifiable BMD info for either of them, hence I'm trying to work my way back from burial records, pre compulsory registration in 1855.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: jnelso18 on Saturday 20 February 10 02:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I'm new to this forum, and find that you're being hugely helpful on Cambusnethan gravestones.
I'm looking to trace my GGGG grandfather, Alexander Neilson, born around 1781 I think (according to age in 1841 census), married Martha Boyd (b 7/6/1790).
Also his oldest son William Neilson (b 8/5/1818) and any other children (Grace, Alexander, John, Hugh, Margaret). His 2nd son James emigrated ot NZ and is my GGG Grandfather
Many thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 20 February 10 08:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Jnelso18,
Welcome to Rootschat. I am not at home this weekend but should be back on Monday so I'll check the records I have then. Do you know the names of any of the childrens spouses? Neilson is quite a popular name in the Lanarkshire area, so it would help if you knew who they were married to.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: jnelso18 on Saturday 20 February 10 10:17 GMT (UK)
Lodger,
Unfortunately I don't know any names of Alexander Neilson's other children's spouses.
I have birth/christening dates though:
William Neilson (8/5/1818), James (21/2/1820 - died in NZ), Grace Paterson Neilson (13/4/1823), Alexander (17/5/1825), John (5/7/1827), Hugh (4/10/1829), Margaret (5/1/1832) - all born either Bogside or Cockedhatt, Cambusnethan
I notice you have Paterson in your list of names. The mother of Alexander's spouse, Martha Boyd was Grizel Paterson, b. in Douglas Lanarkshire (19/3/1758) and I think her parents were John Paterson and Janet Hamilton.
Martha Boyd (b. 7/6/1790) and her siblings were born in Abbeygreen, Lesmahagow. Her father was James Boyd.
That's about all I have.
There was a rumour I heard from my father that my Neilson ancestors were originally McNeils from Barra.
We are now Nelson - my GG Grandfather apparently changed it to that when he came to NZ.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Saturday 20 February 10 12:41 GMT (UK)
Hi jnelso18,

I've checked the MI booklet for Cambusnethan and don't really see anything on the people you've got mentioned there. There is one for a daughter of a William Neilson which is around the same time, but don't know if that's a match or not; also, there's a Margaret Neilson who died in 1925 but the age is out by about three years so possibly not a match there either. As Lodger has mentioned earlier though, these MI are just a small part of the burials at Cambusnethan.

Lodger may be able to help with more of the burial records, but I can definitely tell you that Alexander's son, also named Alexander (who you mention in your post) was married to Margaret Dalziell and appears to have been buried in Cambusnethan cemetery in layer C16-4 (his death was 30 Sept 1891, burial is given as 2 October). I have absolutely no idea where this is though, as I've not been back to Cambusnethan of late. There may well be more of their siblings in the burial records, I was just concentrating on my direct ancestors to begin with.

Which brings me to my last point - please feel free to contact me privately to exchange notes as it appears we have a connection (glad I'm still reading this thread!). Alexander Neilson and Martha Boyd were my g-g-g-grandparents. Nobody in my line emigrated (all still here in Scotland) but ours changed to Nelson a couple of generations later too.

Regards,
Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Sunday 21 February 10 12:50 GMT (UK)
Hi
I've recently found the death of my husband's GG grandmother and have reason to believe her son may have bought a lair at Cambusnethan for her, altohugh she died at her daughter's home in Coatbridge.
Her name was Mary Hoey or Hoy and she died 26 January 1883 aged around 75 years.
 Her husband was Patrick, although he had disappeared off the scene after 1861 so he is unlikely to be in the same grave.
I'd be very grateful if you could check graves and MIs for Cambusnethan when you have time in case she is there.
Many thanks
Paula
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 22 February 10 21:53 GMT (UK)
JNELSO18 & LWLen,

The "C - 16 - 4" quoted in the previous post refers to a plot in the old churchyard, not the cemetery. The records for this plot only begin in 1884 but there would have been burials in it before then. (With the records all kept in the gravedigger's head no doubt!).

The owner of this plot is listed as James Neilson, Greenhead. There is no way of knowing which generation he belonged to as the family usually neglected to change ownership as the years went by and the current owner died.
Here is the list of burials (all dates are dates of internment) and the plot is divided into 3 lairs - North, Centre and South.

DAVID DALZIEL. 10 months, 20th March 1884.
JAMES NEILSON. 1 year 8 months, 31st August 1889.
WILLIAM NEILSON. 3 months, 23rd July 1894.
MARGARET NEILSON. 70 years, 25th October 1897.
ALEXANDER NEILSON. 66 years, 2nd October 1891.
- - - - -     NEILSON, no age stated, 24th November 1884.
JAMES NEILSON. 8 days, 22nd February 1886.
MARY NEILSON. 22 months, 12th January 1895.
MARY DALZIEL, no age given, 6th February 1894.
GRACE NEILSON. 14 months, 5th October 1887.

------------------------------

From the day book of internments in public ground in the old churchyard (but in these 3 cases probably interred in the family plot by the parish)

ELIZABETH NEILSON. Overtown, aged 1 year.
Parents - Alexander Neilson and Margaret Dalziel.
Interred old churchyard 7th May 1861.

DANIEL NEILSON. Waterloo, aged 8 days.
Parents - Alexander Neilson and Margaret Dalziel.
Interred in old churchyard 19th February 1872.

MARTHA NEILSON. Wishaw, aged 83 years, widow.
Maiden surname Boyd.
Interred in old churchyard 1st May 1874.

I saw the following and wondered if she could be the child of Alex and Martha wrongly registered? The age isn't too far out and the informant may have been a son-in-law or a grandchild with poor knowledge of her family -
MARGARET THOMSON. Abode Hamilton, aged 74 years, widow.
Parents - James Neilson and Margaret Boyd.
Interred in public ground, new cemetery, 19th August 1908.

That's all I could find.
Lodger.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 22 February 10 22:04 GMT (UK)
Greenpaula,
No sign of your Mary Hoey, sorry. you should contact the Cemeteries Dept of North Lanarkshire council, they have all the records for Coatbridge (Old Monkland cemetery etc) and Cambusnethan and should be able to help you.
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Tuesday 23 February 10 08:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks for looking Lodger  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 28 February 10 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Just wondered if you might have anything in the cemetery records for Christina Gray (nee Stevenson) daug of James Stevenson & Christina McNeil.  She died in Mar 1872.

She had 3 children, Wm Gray born 1868, Christina Gray born 1869 & Agnes Gray born 1871 whom I haven't been able to find on a census after her death.  I wondered if any were buried with her?

Christina's husband was Wm Gray (son of Wm Gray & Elizabeth Gibb) and he died in Oct 1921.

Any information on the above would be most appreciated.  With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 28 February 10 15:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Heather,

There is a monumental inscription in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan, it reads (or it did 28 years ago) -
"Erected by William Gibb and Elizabeth Gray in memory of their daughter Agnes who died 11th November 1850 aged 5 months."
According to the late 19th century lair (plot) records for the old churchyard, this lair was owned (and the names have never been changed) by William Gibb and Elizabeth Gray.
Others interred in this plot are -
CHRISTINA GRAY. (No age given) 15th September 1880.
GEORGE GRAY. (No age given) 21st April 1922.
JOHN GRAY. Aged 65 years, 14th February 1927.
ALEXANDER GRAY, aged 70 years, 8th May 1935.

There will have, no doubt, been many others between little Agnes in 1850 and Christina in 1880, but no records have survived for that period.

Adjoining the old churchyard is what was a "private" burial ground, opened about 1860 or thereabouts, by a private company. It was later taken over by the municipal cemetery.
In plot number 368 of the Private (it is a walled area) are the following 4 burials -

CHRISTINA GRAY. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 24 years, married.
Parents - John Stevenson and Christina McNeil.
Interred 28th March 1872.
WILLIAM GRAY. Wishaw, aged 5 years.
Parents - William Gray and Christina Stevenson.
Interred 7th May 1873.
CHRISTINA GRAY. Cambusnethan, aged 11 years.
Parents William Gray and Christina Stevenson.
Interred 19th January 1881.
ROBERT SWAN GRAY, baker, Wishaw. Aged 61 years, married.
Parents  - William Gray and Elizabeth Gibb.
Interred 26th February 1909.

From the records of pauper burials are the following 2, both probably buried in the Gibb - Gray plot at the expense of the parish.
AGNES GRAY. Servant, Wishaw, aged 15 years, single.
Parents - William Gray and Elizabeth Gibb.
Interred in old churchyard 23rd May 1868.

AGNES GRAY. Cambusnethan, aged 11 months.
Parents - William Gray and Christina Stevenson.
Interred in old churchyard 2nd February 1872.

Thats all I could find.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Sunday 28 February 10 20:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

I'm looking for any burial info you may have for a David Gemmell who died in Jan 1873 aged around 73, his 1st wife Janet Herron who died in Nov 1861 aged around 65 and his 2nd wife Margaret Foster, date of death not known.  Also David's son David Gemmel who died in Jun 1866 aged 35.

I don't have any knowledge of where they were buried but all were living in Cambusnethan at the time of their deaths and for a period beforehand.

If they were indeed buried in Cambusnethan Cemetery can you please advise me of any other burials in the same liar(s).     

Thanks
EDCBA
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: jnelso18 on Sunday 28 February 10 21:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger for the help with the Neilsons.
Great to have found my GGGG grandmother at least. The rest seem mainly to be on LWLen's line through the 3rd son Alexander.

I've also found a reference in 1841 Census to a son (Alexander), 6 mths old (b. abt 1840 then)o f the oldest son, William. Mother is Isabella. Living adjacent to Alexander and Martha.
Don't know if you came across any William  & Isabella Neilsons.

Regards
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 28 February 10 22:19 GMT (UK)
EDCBA,

2 burials for you, both in public ground I'm afraid.

JANET HERON OR GEMMELL. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - John Heron and Janet Sliman.
Interred in public ground 23rd November 1861.

DAVID GEMMELL. Pauper and coalminer. wishaw, aged 35 years, married.
Parents - David Gemmell and Janet Heron.
Interred in public ground 13th July 1866.

No sign of the other David but the records were poorly kept, so who knows?

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 28 February 10 22:22 GMT (UK)
JNelso18,

This request is beyond me I'm afraid. You'd have to supply a maiden surname for Isabella.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Sunday 28 February 10 22:49 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger

Another small piece in the jigsaw.

EDCBA
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Monday 01 March 10 02:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks so much for the Gray information you were able to find.  Seems all along I had no cause to look any further than the cemetery for Christina Gray's little ones...so sad when she died so young herself.  Life was certainly a lottery back then!

Seems this forum is getting quite a workout lately...hope you know how very much your help is appreciated!

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Monday 08 March 10 10:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I have another brick wall needs knocking down!  David & Christina McNab (nee Armstrong were living in Newmains in 1881 with Christina's mother, Margaret Armstrong (nee Thomson).  They had 4 daughters, Margaret, Jane, Christina & Jessie though only 2 were present in 1881 (Margaret & Christina).

Christina McNab died in Newmains Oct 1884 and her mother Margaret Armstrong died in Mar 1888 in New Stevenston.  I have not managed to trace David McNab or any of his daughters beyond the 1881 census.  I wondered if you might be able to locate some of these people in the Cambusnethan cemetery.

With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 08 March 10 16:16 GMT (UK)
Heather,

2 burials in public ground as follows -
JANE McNAB, Newmains, aged 3 months.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 3rd March 1871.

ADAM McNAB, Newmains, aged 6 weeks.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 16th January 1878.

The following four are buried in the new cemetery, section C plot 65.
JESSIE McNAB, Newmains, aged 6 years.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 9th August 1880.

JAMES McNAB, Newmains, aged 4 years.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 11th August 1880.

CHRISTINA McNAB, housewife, Newmains, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Adam Armstrong and Margaret Thomson.
Interred 8th October 1884.

DAVID McNAB, coalminer, Carluke, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - James McNab and Jane McQueen.
Interred 3rd June 1898.

Also, in Section C plot 117 -

ISABELLA ARMIT, Newmains, aged 12 months.
Parents - James Armit and Isabella Armstrong.
Interred 20th March 1884.

ISABELLA ARMIT, housewife, Newmains, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - Adam Armstrong and Margaret Thomson.
Interred 9th May 1899.


That's all I could find.

Lodger


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 10 March 10 10:02 GMT (UK)
Lodger, you've done it again!  Another brickwall has crumbled thanks to the information you were able to gather on the McNabs.

Thanks so much!  :)

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: DeBarre on Sunday 14 March 10 14:33 GMT (UK)
Hello Kilsyth. The information that I gave you is on a compact disc, of all the burials in cambusnethan Graveyard from the 1600s,up to 1993, with some gaps, but unfortunately it is not for sale, if you have any other queries, I will be most happy to have a search, and if you can give me the parents names, that will be a big help.
We also have surveyed Airbles, The Globe, South Dalziel and St. Patrick's Dalzell Estate graveyards in Motherwell, if you have anybody in them.
Yours Ron.

Noticed you've surveyed St. Patricks Graveyard in the Dalzell Estate, do you have a listing of those buried within the walls?
Years ago I was shown a map of the graveyard with the names of those buried, however no names of my direct relatives( although death certs. indicated they were buried their), only removed(s), however after about 12 years I finally got round to visiting the graveyard just out of curiosity, just before leaving I thought I'd take a walk to the most distant corner and there were the gravestones of my GGGG Grandparents (Isabella King & Thomas Barrie).
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 14 March 10 15:54 GMT (UK)
Hello,
First of all, the chap named Ron in your quote passed away a few years ago. (So I'm not him!)
Secondly, Ron named this burial ground "St Patrick's" which it never was. It is the site of the original, pre-reformation parish church of Dalziel, and although it is situated on Dalzell Estate, it belonged to the parish.
The original church was dedicated to St Patrick but would never have been called St Patrick's Church, it was the only place of worship in Dalziel parish and would have always been known as "the kirk".
There is a Catholic burial ground in the Motherwell area called St Patrick's, leading to much confusion.

Having said all that - the burial place of your ancestors had the monumental inscriptions transcribed about 28 years ago.
There were 2 stones situated on the large family plot belonging to the Barries.
1st inscription - "Thomas Barrie died September 1853 aged 65 years. His wife Isabella King died July 1853 aged 67 years. Their son John died December 1890 aged 79 years".

2nd inscription - "Thomas Barrie died 8th March 1885 aged 67 years. His wife Catherine McLean died 23rd May 1897 aged 65 years. Their daugter Ann died 4th July 1884 aged 27 years. Their son Robert died 31st October 1896 aged 25 years. Their son Thomas died 19th December 1906 aged 48 years".

I have a little more information about this plot, will get back to you later.
In haste .... Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 14 March 10 18:07 GMT (UK)
Barrie plot.... continued.

There are, as far as I know, no written burial records for this burial ground before July 1900, other than the Victorian lair plan dated 1893. In those days it was called the "Manse Burial Ground". I have attached the part of this plan with the Barrie plot shown.
There was a record of internments book that has since been "lost". (It fell into someone's briefcase!!!)
A transcript was made before the dirty-deed was done, and I have a copy of that.  Here's what there is for the Barrie plot. All dates will have been dates of burial.

Lair owner - John Barrie.

2nd January 1902. Depth 4 feet. William Barrie aged 41 years. Two bottom lairs full.

12th April 1904. Depth 5 feet. Isabella Barrie or Buchan aged 34 years.

22nd December 1906. Thomas Barrie aged 48 years. Interred in front of the new stone.

4th July 1910. Depth 4 feet 6 inches. Mary Robertson Barrie aged 49 years. Interred in front of the new stone.

According to Alexander King's book "Motherwell 70 Years Ago & Now" published 1910, the occupants of a row of houses at Windmillhill, famously called Whistledry, (and he is writing of his childhood days in the 1840s and 50s) were mostly weavers and tambourers, he remembers them as -
Mrs Stevenson, John Waddell, Daniel King, James & Alexander King, the Flemings, John Barrie, Adam Galloway, and old Daniel "Forgie" Ferguson.

The parish was full of Kings in those days, all related through one and other. They were the original millers at Motherwell (or Dalziel) mill (miln in old Scots).

I'll look for a picture of Whistledry.

Lodger

Hope this helps in some way.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 14 March 10 18:11 GMT (UK)
Whistledry. The man on the cart is Gourley the baker.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Sunday 14 March 10 18:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger.

The book by Alexander King you mentioned, about Motherwell, do you know if it is possible to buy a copy? Fingers crossed.

I have a Mary King who is impossible to find. She lived in both Dalziel and Hamilton before 1841. Maybe  there`d be a clue there. I think she might be a  gr gr gr grandmother.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Sunday 14 March 10 20:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thanks for the photo of "Whistledry"

I have a record of my 3xG Grandfather, Alexander McCormack, as having died at Windmillhill in 1866 and one of his sons living there when he was married in 1861.

I also have a census record of the same family living in Knowe Top. What are the relative modern locations of Windmillhill and Knowe Top?

Cheers
EDCBA
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 14 March 10 21:35 GMT (UK)
Mary,

The book has been out of print for almost 100 years!
Dave Mooney has a copy on his excellent Cambusnethan website, in the book section.
http://www.scotek.net/home.htm

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 14 March 10 21:42 GMT (UK)
EDCBA,

Knowetop is just a continuation of Windmillhill, not even a quarter of a mile away along the same street in the Wishaw direction.
All part of modern-day Motherwell. I expect if you used Google they could be found on a map. Delburn Street, Toll Street or Knowetop Avenue will give the Knowetop location.
Winmillhill lies between Crosshill Street and Airbles Road.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Monday 15 March 10 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks, had a quick look and will read it later.

Cheers,

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Monday 15 March 10 20:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Do you have anything in the cemetery records for two sons of George Prentice and Marion Sharp/Sharpe. David born 1890 120 Caledonian Road, Wishaw died after 1914 and James born 1884 at 175 Caledonian Road death after 1901. Also do you have burial for George died 5/8/1930.
Information on above would be much appreciated.
Regards
Max
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 15 March 10 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Max,

The records I have end at 1916, so nothing for George in 1930.
There are 2 records for sons of George & Marion but not the ones you asked for!

THOMAS S PRENTICE. Driller, Wishaw, aged 24 years, married.
Parents - George Prentice and Marion Sharp.
Interred in in section E 982. 20th July 1899.

WILLIAM PRENTICE. Mason/builder, Wishaw, aged 29 years, single.
Interred in section E 982. 15th February 1911.

If you contact the Cemeteries office of North Lanarkshire Council they should be able to supply the details of other internments in this lair and the last registered owner.

Regards,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: DeBarre on Saturday 20 March 10 10:55 GMT (UK)
HI Lodger, thanks for the information and the time you spent researching, great stuff.

I am led to believe that The Hamilton's owned the estate, if so was there any special criteria for someone to be buried their?
I also noticed last week when I visited the graveyard that the dates of death on the gravestone were wrong, they both died 1856 not 1853, so I would imagine that the headstones were added to the plots a few years later or the stonemason made a big mistake!
Thomas Barrie and (Isa)Bella King both lived in Windmillhill at the time of their deaths, although prior to that in 1841 they lived at "Parkhead Farms, Dalziel", do you know where that was located?

You mentioned "The Kings" in your post, while searching through the OPR's a few years back, I noticed that there seemed to be at least 2 King families in the area, why I say that is that Isabella King was born in Cramond, Midlothian in 1789 the rest of her siblings were born after her father William King (Mason) & mother Janet Warden moved through to Dalziel, prior to this there were already Kings born in Dalziel to different parents.

Lodger, can I tax your brain further, previous generations of Barries were born in Burngrains, Dalziel, have you any idea where that may have been?Was there an even older graveyard in the area?

                                                            Regards


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 20 March 10 15:34 GMT (UK)
DeBarre,

The Hamiltons did not at any time, own the burial ground, it always belonged to the ecclesiastical parish of Dalziel. Anyone, no matter what faith, was allowed to be buried there, the only criteria was that the person had to have lived in the parish.

Parkhead was an area just south of Windmillhill, where Glencairn Street runs now.
In 1808 John Barrie, Windmillhill paid to Dalzell estate £4 for a half-year's rent to Mertinmas 1808. He also paid one year's feu duty of £4.16.9d. (Martinmas, one of the Scots quarterdays)In 1810 Barry's rent and feu duty together was £8.14.8d.
In 1812 John Barry, Windmillhill paid a half-year's rent to Mertinmas and feu duty, total £4.14.9d.
In 1813 John Barry paid a half-year's rent to Whitson 1812 of £4. He also paid £1 for grass rent.
In 1808 John Barry paid property tax of 17/5d. (about 87p)
In 1809 John Barry paid property tax of 18/5.
In 1810 John Barry, Sheills, paid property tax of £8.

In 1784 Thomas Barry was a tenant-at-will at Dalziel for tax purposes. (On the estate of Dalzell).

As for Burngrains, it's where I live!
The modern spelling is Burngrange and it's in the Flemington area, just off Shields Road. (Shiells was Shields Farm).

For a very short period, there was a parish bank in the parish of Dalziel. The records are with the National Archives in Edinburgh. They only cover a few years but it does prove that certain family members, and indeed certain families, were alive and living in Dalziel at the time.
All the following have the surname Barrie and place of abode in all cases is "Windmillhill". Dates are date of 1st and last deposit.
AGNES - 3rd June 1816 - 4th November 1816.
HELEN - 8th January 1816 - 22nd December 1819.
JANET - 4th December 1815 - 16th February 1826.
JOHN junior - 4th December 1815 - 22nd December 1819.
THOMAS - 7th January 1818 - 8th August 1819.

Also -
KING ISOBEL, Windmillhill - 7th January 1818 - 3rd May 1819.

To answer your last question, there was no other burial ground in this parish.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: DeBarre on Sunday 28 March 10 14:46 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger, thanks for the info regarding the land taxes & bank accounts, incredible!I know know that certain Barries were still living on certain dates!!

Are these sources easily accesible, if you don't mind me asking? I'm going through to Auld Reekie to the BD&M's search room next week, you wouldn't happen to know if there is anything else there worth looking at apart from the obvious?Ie, Archives, etc?

                                                Regards DeB
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 28 March 10 16:24 BST (UK)
DeB,
All the land tax stuff was taken from the "bundles" in the Dalzell Papers, they used to be at Motherwell Heritage Centre but may now be with North Lanarkshire Council archives at Lenziemill in Cumbernauld. Anyone from an old Dalziel family (or in your case, families) should have a good rake around these papers.
All the rentals, taxes, etc from the estate are there plus feu records, contracts, lots of names and dates.
The Dalziel Parish Bank list is at the NAS so you could qsk when you get to Register House.

Good luck,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Wednesday 07 April 10 12:50 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Last year you provided some excellent information re Catherine Donald, buried in Grave No 519 at Airbles cemetery.

I forgot to ask at the time how I would locate the plot (no headstone, according to a later message from you).

Is there a plot plan I can buy?

I haven't made it there yet to get a photo for her relative in Australia, but will need to get organised and go soon. I thought a general photo of the graveyard might do, but I think she would like a photo of the exact spot - if I can find it!

I've been sidetracked by the plethora of info I've been finding on Ancestry and scotlandspeople without even leaving the house - but the footwork has to begin soon!

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 07 April 10 18:40 BST (UK)
Hi Morag,

If you go there during working hours the superintendant will find it for you. His name is Ian Goldie and he is most helpful.
Try and take a note of the section as well as the lair number, it will save him a lot of work looking it up. Telling him it is 519 wont be enough, there will be about 10 519s.

Good luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Wednesday 07 April 10 22:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks again for the advice - but I got the Lair number from you, so where do I look up the section number? I know there is a Heritage Centre in Motherwell - would I be able to check it out there?

Sorry to be a perpetual question mark! Hopefully my last on this topic.

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 07 April 10 23:56 BST (UK)
Hi Morag,

It isn't Airbles, it's Cambusnethan!

519 in the old "private" walled burial ground next to the old churchyard.
I have a feeling that area is fenced off now, for safety reasons but it's been a while since I've been there.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 19:36 BST (UK)
Back in the spring you gave me information on a number of Laurie family members, including       
Agnes Kennedy Laurie    b. October 26, 1904  Craigneuk, Dalziel   d.  November 23, 1974


Now I am finding out there is a Kennedy ( and Douglas)  connection to the Laurie Family.

William James LAWRIE b. circa 1846, Ireland

Agnes KENNEDY  b.            d.

William James LAWRIE married Agnes KENNEDY on    23, 1865   

There is a record for his marriage as follows: 

Record for 1865 on the 23rd day of            at 34 Sunnyside Rows Wishaw
After banns according to the Forms of the United Presbyterian Church

William James Laurie ( writing appears to have a “w” in the name)
(signed)
Coalminer Bachelor 21   184? Main Street Wishaw

Agnes Kennedy ( signed) Her + mark spinster (Domestic Servant) 20  32 Sunnyside Rows, Wishaw

Father William Laurie - Coalminer
Mother Elizabeth Laurie MS Porter  Deceased

Father James Kennedy Coalminer
Mother Agnes Kennedy M.S. Douglas (deceased)

Minister R. S. Barnes? 
Witnesses Edward Hunter
                 Mary Kennedy (Her + mark)

Registered June 28, 1865 at Wishaw
Thomas Allen Register - Parish of Cambusnethan,


The 1881 Census for the Parish of Cambusnethan and the county of Lanark shows this family living at:

8 Sunnyside Rows in Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
William was 35 as was his wife Agnes at that time. The next census has another woman named Margaret in her place. Can you find me burial information for Agnes and possibly any children she may have had and lost in that time. thank you. Any information on her paretns would also be welcome.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 19:44 BST (UK)
Looking for death certificate or burial info on the following ancestors-
James Little - deceased before 1857
wife Helen Thomson b. circa1800 deceased before 1857

William Nicol (1803?-1869)
Isabella Little Nicol (1800-1857)
1851 Census for the County of Lanark in the Parish and Village of Cambusnethan
March 30, 1851 (birth years extrapolated)
1804     William Nicols     Head   Mar.    49   Collector of Ironworks    b.  Lanark, Crawford?
1806-08 Isabella Nicols   Wife   Mar.   43-45?               b. Dumfries, Sanquhar
1831    Hugh Nicols      Son      20?   Coal Miner  b. Dumfries, Sanquhar
1833    Isabella Nicols      Dau.      18      b. Ayr, Tarbolton
1835   Arch. Nicols      Son      16   Coal Miner b. Ayr, Tarbolton
1839   Alex Nicols      Son      12   Coal Miner b.Ayr, Tarbolton
1843   George Nicols      Son       8   Scholar   b. Ayr, Tarbolton
1846   Ann Nicols      Dau.       5      b. Ayr, Tarbolton
1848    William Rodger   Grand Son    3      b. Lanark, Cambusnethan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 19:52 BST (UK)

Looking for death or burial information on the following family:
George Nicol
Locomotive Foreman,
married to Ann Maertins,

William Laurie  1828 - 1891  -b. Ireland
D. 1891 Scotland
m. Elizabeth Porter 1820-1864
Son William James born in Ireland c 1845-46
 
Thomas Smellie and Ann Lynch (Great Great Grandparents)
Wedding record for Peter Smellie and Margaret Nicol indicated that Peter was born at Overtown.
Dad’s name Thomas Smellie is a roadman underground
Mother’s name is Ann Smellie M.S. Lynch . She is deceased by that time (1870)

Ann Lynch was deceased by 1870. Her son Peter was born in 1848 and was 22 when he was married to Margaret Nicol in 1870

The 1841 census shows Ann,  at 35,  married to Thomas who is also 35.
This would put their date of birth at 1806 for both of them.

1851 Census
James Kennedy Head 28  Coalminer                  b. Lanark Cambusnethan
Agnes  Douglas Kennedy Wife 26  Coalminer’s Wife    b. Lanark Cambusnethan
Agnes Kennedy Daug  6             b. Lanark Cambusnethan  (b. 1845?)    
John Kennedy      Son  4            b. Lanark Cambusnethan ( b. 1847?)   
Mary Kennedy    Daug 2                      b. Lanark Cambusnethan

1861 Census

The undermentionned houses are situated within the boundaries of the Parish of Motherwell/ Quod Sacra Parish of Holytown, Hamlet of Old Canbroe

It shows the following living at 5 Old Canbroe Row
James Kennedy    37 Coalminer          Born Stirling, Campion    (1824)
Margaret Kennedy    25 Coalminer’s Wife       Born Lanark, Cambusnethan (1836)

Agnes Douglas Kennedy - should have been born around 1825
James Kennedy  should be born about 1823





“Peter Kennedy Schoolmr and Helen Kirk Spouses at Hilltown had a lawful son born named James.”
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 19:59 BST (UK)


Looking for death certificates or burial records for the following family:
Thomas Frame and Margaret Rickell ( Great Great Grandparents)
These are the parents of Jane Frame (Nicol) as shown on her death certificate in 1904. Thomas is listed as a gravedigger (deceased).

Found a marriage record in parish records of Lanark, Dalserf for a : “24th September, 1814 -Thomas Frame and Margaret Orr both of this parish”  - Dalserf keeps coming up for Jane Frame Nicol and James – but death certificate for Margaret indicates MS Rickell – was she a widow when she married Thomas Frame???   Also found a record for a Thomas Frame and Margaret Ruffhead – was there a spelling error or name change???


James Nicol and Jane Nicol (Frame)  Great Great Grandparents

James is listed as a coalminer on his daughter’s marriage certificate.
There is no record of baptism or birth for James in 1824-29 in any of the parishes.
There is no record of his parents in the 1841 census…

1841 Census
Indicates that James was born c 1827 at Lanark, Dalserf

Jane was still alive when her husband died in 1879 at 54 years of age.
Her daughter, Margaret Nicol married Peter Smellie.


1851 Census
Cambusnethan Household # 85

James Nicol (married)    Head    25       Coalminer       born in Dumfries
Sanquhar Died June 15 1879 9h15mPM Steel’s LandCaledonian Road

Jean Nicol                 wife     21       Muslin Sewer at home born Lanark Dalziel?
1861 Census (birth years estimated from ages)
Living at 9_ Cambusnethan, Village of Cambusnethan
b. 1826 James Nicole    M    Head       35    Coalminer    b. Dumfries
b, 1830 Jane Nicole    M    Wife       (34? 31?)       b. Dalziel?
b. 1852 Isabella Nicole    Daugh         9    scholar    Lanark Cambusnethan
b. 1853 Margaret Nicole    Daugh        8    scholar    Lanark Cambusnethan
b. 1857 William Nicole    Son           3    scholar    Lanark Cambusnethan
b. 1860 Thomas Nicole    Son        9 mos                  Lanark Cambusnethan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 20:04 BST (UK)
Is there any information on death cerrtificates or burials for the following family - other than Joseph...

1881 Census - information taken from census - birthdates extrapolated

Agnes  Kennedy Laurie    b, 1866    - 15
William James Laurie   b. 1872      - 9
Margaret   Laurie b, 1877      - 4
Joseph     Laurie b 1877      - 4 (likely twins) (buried in Airbles)
Elizabeth    Laurie b 1879        2
 
Thomas Laurie    b 1881        8 days
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Friday 09 April 10 20:08 BST (UK)

Is there any death or burial information on the following family other than Margaret and Peter? Thank you for all of your help....


1881 Census shows Margaret Nicol and Peter Smellie (Smilllie)  living at 24 Wilson’s Row
Peter       32    M       24 Wilson’s Row Cambusnethan Lanark, Scotland
Margaret    28   F 
b 1871 Thomas Smellie 10
b1872 James Smellie     9
b 1874 Jane Smellie    7
b 1876 William Smellie 5
b 1878 Peter Smellie    3
b. 1880 Alexander Smellie 1

Born after 1881 Census
b.    Margaret Smellie ?
B. 1885 Isabella Smellie

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 12 April 10 20:54 BST (UK)
Vossen,

You don't ask for much!

I'll answer in 2 messages. This one deals with the old churchyard of Cambusnethan at Greenhead Road. The "new" cemetery adjoins the churchyard and will be dealt with in my next reply.

But, first of all.  In the 1851 census, Jean Nicol aged 21 years is born in Dalserf, not Dalziel.

There is a gravestone inscription in the old churchyard that reads -
"William Nicol died 7th June 1869 aged 66 years. His wife Isabella Little died 1st January 1857 aged 57 years. Their son Hugh died 16th September 1855 aged 24 years. Their son William died in infancy. Their son John died 16th February 1892 aged 64 years. (His wife Margaret Moffat died 22nd January 1899 aged 66 years)."

There are some burial records for the churchyard but they only begin in the mid-1870s. Here's what there is for the above plot. (All dates are of internment)
Owner is named as William Nicol.
In the south lair -
JANE NICOL, aged 2 years. 9th June 1885.
WILLIAM NICOL, aged 4 weeks. 19th December 1905.
In the centre lair -
JOHN NICOL, aged 65 years. 18th February 1892.
MARGARET NICOL, aged 65 years. 25th January 1899.

There is another Nicol family plot in the old churchyard, unfortunately no headstone has survived. Here are the records for that plot.

Owners are James Nicol and Jane Frame.
In the south lair -
UNKNOWN NICOL, no age given. 17th November 1883.
JAMES NICOL, aged 21 years. 25th July 1884.
UNKNOWN SMELLIE, no age. 26th December 1888.
ISABELLA STARK, no age. 20th October 1931.
in the centre lair -
JAMES NICOL, aged 54 years. 17th June 1879.
JANE NICOL, aged 76 years. 14th November 1904.
In the north lair -
MARGARET SMELLIE, aged 47 years. 16th March 1900.
PETER SMELLIE, aged 51 years. 8th October 1901.

The "unknowns" may well be still births or infants. It would be worthwhile checking out the 1855 death, there will be extra information on it.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 12 April 10 22:02 BST (UK)
Vossen - continued.

There is also an old walled part of the cemetery that pre-dates the municipal cemetery. It is situated next to the churchyard and the first burials were I think, about 1860 or so.
There are 2 burials there for your family (there may be others, the records are not complete). Again, all dates are of internment.

HANNAH BURT. Newmains, aged 3 years.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Plot 438. 2nd September 1881. (There are others in this grave, all by the name of McNeil).

ANN SMELLIE. Housewife, Overtown, aged 63 years. Widow.
Parents - John Lynch and Helen  - - - - -
Plot 174. 20th May 1872.


The next list is taken from the paupers burials. In all of the cases here, they will have been buried in their family plots at the expense of the parochial board. This particular record suppliments the records for the old churchyards. If the people below were not paupers you may not have been able to find their burials.

MARY LAURIE, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - William Laurie and Elizabeth Porter.
Old churchyard, 28th March 1864.

JAMES K LAURIE, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - William J Laurie and Agnes Kennedy.
Old churchyard, 6th June 1876.

GEORGE NICOL, locomotive fireman, Newmains, aged 24 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Old churchyard, 8th September 1866.

WILLIAM NICOL, coalminer, Waterloo, aged 66 years, widower.
Parents - William Nicol and unknown.
Old churchyard, 9th June 1869.

MARY NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 12 months.
Parents John Nicol and Margaret Moffat.
Old churchyard, 23rd February 1870.

HUGH NICOL, drawer, (in coal mine) Cambusnethan, aged 13 years.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 11th June 1873.

MARGARET NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 11 months.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 5th March 1874.

HANNAH NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 19 months.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 26th October 1876.

JOHN NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 6 years.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 31st October 1877.

JANE NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 9 years.
Parents - James Nicol and Jane Frame.
Old churchyard, 18th March 1874.

JAMES NICOL, miner, Wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Old churchyard, 17th June 1879.

The post is getting too large, I'll continue.....
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 12 April 10 22:19 BST (UK)
The next list is from the Day Book for the new cemetery, in no particular order, just as I managed to find them.

ISABELLA BURT, housewife, Newmains, aged 59 years. (no marital status given).
Parents -William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Section D 413. 30th May 1892.

ARCHIBALD NICOL, coal miner, Morningside, aged 58 years, married.
Parents as above.
Section E 487. 13th August 1895.

ANDREW BURT, miner, Newmains, aged 22 years, single.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Section D 414. 6th June 1891.

HENRY MARSHALL, miner, Morningside, aged 12 years.
Parents - Robert Marshall and Isabella Burt.
Section D 414. 11th May 1892.

ALEXANDER MURDOCH, West Calder, aged 3 years and 10 months.
Parents - Alexander Murdoch and Mary Burt.
Section D 414. 15th January 1895.

THOMASINA M BURT, Newmains, aged 16 months.
Parent - Elizabeth Burt.
Section D 414. 18th November 1897.

NELLIE NICOL, schoolgirl, died Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, usual residence - Shotts. Aged 10 years.
Parents - Alexander Nicol and Marion Sommerville.
Section E 486. 5th May 1908.

ALEXANDER NICOL, coalpit roadsman, Overtown, aged 69 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Section E 1953. 25th August 1908.
Plot owned by Isabella Easton or Nicol, Hamilton's Land, Overtown.

ISABELLA NICOL, Hartwood Asylum, aged 75 years, widow.
Parents - William Easton and Isabella Stevenson.
Section E 1953. 11th May 1916.

ISABELLA MARSHALL, Newmains, aged 57 years, widow.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Section E 284. 17th January 1914.

JAMES SMELLIE, coal miner, 43 Park Street Wishaw, aged 44 years, married.
Parents - Peter Smellie and Margaret Nicol.
Section E 717. 25th November 1916.

ELIZABETH GRAHAM, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - William Laurie and Elizabeth Porter.
Section D 449. 5th April 1899.

MARGARET GRAHAM, Wishaw, aged 4 years.
Parents - Robert Graham and Elizabeth Laurie.
Section D 449. 5th November 1892.

JOHN GRAHAM, Wishaw, aged 6 weeks.
Parents - as above.
Section D 449. 29th April 1899.

THOMAS GRAHAM, miner, Wishaw, aged 18 years, single.
Parents as above.
Section D 449. 21st October 1899.

Plots 486 and 487 must have belonged to the same family, same for 413 and 414.

This has taken me hours to do, I hope it leads you somewhere!

Lodger.






Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MoragC on Tuesday 13 April 10 20:08 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks for the clarification re Cambusnethan (rather than Airbles). If the area concerned is fenced off, then a general photo from the nearest vantage point should do the trick.

Time to set aside a day or half day in my diary to tour various partd of Lanarkshire!

MoragC
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 14 April 10 12:38 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone has any info. on Cullen & Kean, Kain, Kaine, Kane, Cain or Caine from Cambusnethan.

Peter Cullen b c1811 - Last on 1871 census & no death record found.
Children:
(1) James Cullen b c1836 - Last on 1861 census.
(2) Mary Jane Cullen, b c1838 married William (Kean - several spellings above)
Children: (All born Cambusnethan)
Rose Ann Kean b Abt. 1854
John Kean, b 21 Sep 1855
Sarah Kain b 24 Dec 1856
William Kaine, b 20 Mar 1859 - Last on 1861 census
Mary Jane Kaine, b 19 Mar 1861
James Kean, b 23 Jul 1863
Ellen Kaine b 15 Jul 1866
Peter Kaine b 25 Oct 1868
Agnes Caine b 11 Mar 1871 (Traced to Wales)
(3) Peter Cullen b c1840 - Last on 1851 census
(4) Patrick Cullen (Traced)
(5) Rose Ann Cullen b c1844 married John McCluskey
Children: (Born Cambusnethan)
Rose Ann Cullen b 1864 married Angus MacKinnon - d 22 Oct 1918 in Dalziel. (Have traced widow Rose Ann & most of children to Canada).
John McClusky Cullen b 1867 - Last on 1881 census - no death record found.

Many thanks for any help,

Anne.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Wednesday 14 April 10 12:46 BST (UK)
Lodger: YOu have far surpassed any of my expectations! I only put in requests as family groups thinking someone might more easily recognize whether they had the right naming patterns for the family. And now you have led us into some new names and given us some infant death information I would otherwise not have found! Thanks so much for helping me with continuing on several former "dead ends". I am sure other members of the family  will also benefit from this being online. Joseph Laurie and Isabella Smellie had fifteen children that all link into this line! Now to dig back into the Irish connection!!!!


Thank you  a hundred times over!!!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 14 April 10 19:42 BST (UK)
Hello Anne,

Welcome to Rootschat. Regarding Cambusnethan burials, here's what I managed to "dig-up" for you.

First of all, there were 2 burials in common Ground, that is - paupers burials. They are -

AGNES CAIN. Wishaw, aged 10 months.
Parents - William Cain and Mary Jane Cullen.
Interred in public ground 24th January 1872.

PATRICK CAIN. Wishaw, aged 23 months.
Parents as above.
Interred in public ground 19th September 1874.

You omitted to mention the wife of Peter Cullen who was born circa 1811, so I am guessing she could be Rose Flannigan.  I am also going to guess that Peter Cullen born about 1840 may have married Mary Dale.
Did you know that the names Peter and Patrick are synonymous in Irish Gaelic? The name is Padraig. My guess is that both Peters were Padraigs and the Registrar used his own discretion in the translations.  There is a good chance that neither of these men had any schooling, so they wouldn't be aware of the spelling.
Going on this assumption, I have included a Patrick.

I can now put the rest of the information into three, as I found three separate lairs or plots, each with Cains, Cullens or McCluskeys in them. They are all in the municipal cemetery at Cambusnethan, so there may well be internments after the dates listed here, the records I have finish at 1916 more or less.

Section C. lair 447.
WILLIAM CAIN. Coalminer, Wishaw, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - John Cain and Sarah McLaughlan.
Interred 1st September 1884.

ROSE ANN McCLUSKEY. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - William Cain and Mary Jane Cullen.
Interred 9th December 1884.

ROSINA McALLISTER. Shotts, aged 2 years & 10 months.
Parents - Patrick McAllister and Mary Jane Cain.
Interred 7th January 1893.

MARY JANE CAIN. Wishaw, aged 74 years.
Parents - Peter Culman and Rose Lanyon.
Interred 29th November 1910.

Next lair is Section E. 128.
PATRICK CULLEN. Coalminer, Wishaw, aged 57 years, married.
Parents - Peter Cullen and Rose Flannigan.
Interred 3rd March 1899.

JOHN CULLEN. Coalminer, Wishaw, aged 19 years, single.
Parents - Patrick Cullen and Mary Dale.
Interred 26th January 1901.

JOHN DALE. Coalminer, Wishaw, aged 65 years, married.
Parents - James Dale and Margaret Golden.
Interred 8th March 1915.

Next and last lair is Section E. 1798.

ROSE ANN McCLUSKEY. Omoa poorhouse, aged 26 years, single.
Parents - John McCluskey and Rose Ann Cain.
Interred 2nd September 1908.

JOHN McCLUSKEY. Insurance Agent, Wishaw, aged 60 years, widower.
Parents - Edward McCluskey and Bridget McManus.
Interred 23rd May 1908.
Owner of this lair (1798 section E) was William McCluskey, garden labourer, 75 1/2 Young Street, Wishaw.

(The address was seventy-five and a half!)

I would read "Peter Culman and Rose Lanyon" as Peter Cullen and Rose Flannigan.
There may be a Poor Relief record for Rose Ann McCluskey who died in Omoa poorhouse. The records are now with North Lanarkshire Council at Lenziemill archives in Cumbernauld.
Omoa was the combination poorhouse for Cambusnethan, Shotts and Bothwell parishes, here is a good link with pictures.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Cambusnethan/Cambusnethan.shtml

Hope this help you in some way.

Good luck with your research.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Cayley on Thursday 15 April 10 04:17 BST (UK)
Lindsay
I am looking for my ggg grandparents. Believe the family maybe buried in Cambusnethan

William Lindsay DOB: Jun. 1, 1773
married Ann Campbell DOB: Aug. 8, 1778 in Glasgow. William & Ann married Apr. 25, 1800-Cambusnathan
Children:
    John Lindsay DOB: Dec. 6, 1800  Died: Jun 3, 1893
    James Lindsay DOB: Aug. 15, 1802
            married Ellen Goodwin DOB: 1805(Kilsyth, Sterlingshire)-James emigrated to Canada, Ellen died in Scotland
    Alexander Lindsay DOB: Aug. 13, 1804
    William Lindsay DOB: May 2, 1810
    Susan Lindsay DOB: Mar. 26, 1812
            married George Pollock DOB: Jun 27, 1808
    Jane Lindsay DOB: Dec. 5, 1816
    Gavin Lindsay DOB: Nov. 13, 1817

William Lindsay (Jun 1, 1773) parents were;
   John Lindsay DOB: Jul. 2, 1747
             married Jean Robertson
       Children:
             Jean Lindsay DOB: Dec. 1770
             William Lindsay DOB: Jun 1, 1773
              John Lindsay DOB: Jun. 13, 1782
              Alicia Lindsay DOB: Oct. 8, 1783

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I am planning to visit Scotland in a couple of months and would be so happy to visit the graveyard and see the stones of any or all of the relatives.

Thank you
Cayley


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 15 April 10 17:07 BST (UK)
Hi Cayley,

I've had a good look at the records I have for Cambusnethan. The trouble is there were SO many Lindsays from many different families.
There are 2 adjoining monumental inscriptions in the old churchyard that are very possibly for your Lindsays. There are 2 set of burial records to correspond with the headstones but the problem is, the burial records only begin in the mid-1870s.
The first inscription is from a very simple marker stone, the date is usually the date that the stone was erected, or of the first internment (which would make it a very late date for this couple).
It reads - "1826 John Lindsay and (unreadable) Robertson".
The burial records for this plot says the owners were John Lindsay and Jean Robertson.
Buried here are - (all dates are of internment)
MARGARET SHERIDAN. Aged 23 years. 16th February 1910.
GEORGE SHERIDAN. Aged 72 years. 28th January 1901.
THOMAS C SHERIDAN. Aged 8 months. 23rd January 1906.
MARGARET SHERIDAN. Aged 76 years. 27th January 1923.
WILLIAM POTTER. Aged 9 months. 13th September 1899.
ANNIE POTTER. Aged 3 months. 13th February 1905.

So you see, this family plot was in use for about 100 years and it will, no doubt, be full to the brim! At a guess, I would say that Margaret Sheridan's maiden surname was Lindsay. (the one aged 76)

The second stone (next to the first one) has the inscription -
"Christina Cunningham died 30th November 1838 aged 63 years. Her husband John Lindsay died July 1842 aged 72 years. Their daughter Marion died 13th February 1877 aged 57 years. Their daughter Margaret died 25th December 1888 aged 83 years. Their son William died 29th January 1891 aged 80 years".

The records for this plot are as follows -
Owner is John Lindsay.
Buried here are - (all dates are of internment)
WILLIAM LINDSAY. Aged 80 years. 2nd February 1891.
CATHERINE LINDSAY. Aged 83 years. 29th December 1910.
MARGARET LINDSAY. (No age). 21st October 1933.
MARGARET LINDSAY. Aged 83 years. 28th December 1888.
WILLIAM LINDSAY. Aged 41 years. 27th November 1907.

There is a third plot with no headstone but it is next to the others.
Owners are - "Margaret Lindsay, William Bulloch and Jane Lindsay".
Buried here are -
MARGARET LINDSAY. Aged 77 years. 21st October 1933.
JESSIE BULLOCH. Aged 67 years. 3rd November 1902.

Just the 2 names and there seems to be some confusion as to where Margaret Lindsay who died 1933 is buried.

The only other burial I could find is this one from the book of paupers burials.
MARION LINDSAY. Laundry Maid, Glasgow, aged 57 years, single.
Parents - John Lindsay and Christina Cunningham.
Interred in the old churchyard, 16th February 1877.

I feel sure there will be more Lindsays in Cambusnethan for you but I need spouses names to match up with them.

If you find any more names get in back in touch and I'll see what else I can do.

Lodger.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Cayley on Friday 16 April 10 02:13 BST (UK)
Thank you very much, I am sure that is the correct group, this really helps.
Thank you for such a quick reply.

I may also as for your help with other relatives in this area
Cayley
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 17 April 10 22:28 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Many thanks for your speedy reply with info. on Cullen & Caine. It has given me more names which I didn't have - a bonus. Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Anne.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Sunday 18 April 10 10:16 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
If you have the time please could you check if the following Hoeys are buried in Cambusnethan -
Mary Hoey died Jan 26th 1883 age 76, widow of Patrick, mother of Edward.
Catherine Welsh nee Hoey, died Jan 3 1874 age 63. Widow
(both the above died in Rosehall but some of their family were living in Wishaw by this time and they do not seem to be buried at Old Monkland)

Catherine Ann Hoey born 1861 died between 1871 and 1873 daughter of Edward and Catherine.
Bernard Hoey born 1871, died November 4th 1872 aged 17 months son of Edward and Catherine
(these two children died in Craigneuk)

Catherine Hoey (Kate) nee Milligan died on February 8th 1901 aged 44 in Bellshill. Wife of John
John Hoey - a long shot this one. He was born in 1855 and was still living in 1901 census in Bellshill. I cannot find a death for him.

Grateful for any help or advice

Pauline
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 18 April 10 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi Pauline,
Not much luck I'm afraid, the only one I found was one of the children.

BERNARD HOY. Wishaw, aged 17 months.
Parents - Edward Hoy and Catherine Higgins.
Interred in public ground 5th November 1872. (Pauper burial)

Although there are "millions" of Hoeys in Craigneuk now, they are thin on the ground before 1900.
The only other Hoeys in the early burials were children of Own Hoy and Ann McDonagh in the 1860s.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Sunday 18 April 10 16:32 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Thanks so much for looking.
One is better than none at all, another little piece of the jigsaw to fit in  :)
Our Hoeys were in Wishaw by 1864 and had arrived in Craigneuk by 1881 when they lived in Shieldmuir Cottage, Craigneuk. Later the area seemed to be called Hoey's Buildings or Hoeys land as they appear to have taken over a whole street. You're right about millions of them - I can't keep up now with the OH's cousins, and families are smaller now than they were then!
Thanks again
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 18 April 10 19:51 BST (UK)
Pauline, here is a scan of the 1911 Motherwell directory, it covers Craigneuk.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Monday 19 April 10 12:25 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
that's fantastic thank you so much!
There's Matthew's grandmother and 4 great uncles all listed. My grandchildren will be well impressed with this!
Thank you for the time you spend helping us all on this Board  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Wednesday 21 April 10 16:17 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Me again! Your mention of children of Owen Hoey/Hoey and Ann McDonnach sent me scurrying to my 'unproven' but potential family records.
I have Owen and Ann marrying in 1854 and I have birth records for a James in 1857, a possible Mary in 1859, Catherine 26/3/1864 and twins John and Mary 2/6/1866.

When you have the time could you possibly look up the burial dates you found for their children, and by any chance are Owen and Ann buried in Cambusnethan?  No idea when either died as they are exptremely elusive and to date I haven't found them in any census after 1861.
Your help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: colcal on Wednesday 21 April 10 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I am trying to find where my husbands Grandmother is buried. Her name was Sarah Ann Donnelly (Nee Kivlochan), she died on the 7th September 1926 in Duke Street Hospital Hospital, Glasgow, age 45 and was Catholic.
Her last address given on her death certificate was 73 Landressy Street.

I have tried St Peters (Old Dalbeth) but she is not there.

I am hoping that she might be on your list for Cambusnethan Cemetery,

regards carolyn
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 April 10 18:18 BST (UK)
Hi Carolyn,
I don't have any 1926 records for Cambusnethan, the ones I have finish at 1916. Do you have some evidence that your ancestor was buried there? If someone died in Landressy St they would surely be buried in Janefield. (The Eastern Necropolis) at Parkhead.

Regards,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: colcal on Wednesday 21 April 10 18:25 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I have not heard of Janefield before but I will try there next.
Thank you again
regards Carolyn
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 21 April 10 18:27 BST (UK)
Pauline,

No deaths for Owen & Ann but here are 4 of their children, all buried in public ground.

JANE HOY. Wishaw, aged 12 years. Interred 13th February 1864.
MARY ANN HOY. Wishaw, aged 4 years. Interred 21st October 1864.
OWEN HOY. Sunnyside Rows, aged 2 years. Interred 6th February 1865.
CATHERINE HOY. Wishaw, aged 11 months. Interred 7th March 1865.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenpaula on Wednesday 21 April 10 18:41 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger, I'm very grateful for your help, and so quickly too  :)

The Jane name in particular helps a lot as I thought I'd found Owen and Ann in Wigan in 1861 but wasn't sure. Jane confirms I have the right family. Trouble is there's no trace after their twins were born and I'm beginning to suspect they trotted back to Ireland.
Will keep looking!
Regards
Pauline
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: DeBarre on Wednesday 21 April 10 18:52 BST (UK)
Caroline, hope you get this link, it contains many headstone inscriptions for Janefield/Eastern Necropolis, unmarked graves are not included, you need to go to the Mitchell Library for a more comprehensive list.

http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/32.pdf

 Furthering on from Lodger, having lived in Landressy St. myself at one point, some of my relatives burials are split between Janefield St Cemetery(next to Celtic park) and Sandymount in the Springboig area, more recent being in Sandymount also Glasgow City Council are looking for 60 odd quid for a search!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Thursday 13 May 10 19:34 BST (UK)
Lodger, thank you so much for your help earlier in this thread. I was wondering if I could trouble you with another query if you have the time. I am researching husband and wife John Maxwell (died 3rd Jan 1903) and Sarah Pollock (died 28 June 1903) and wonder if you've got anything on them in your records? Both born in Ireland in 1840s (I don't have specifics) but lived and died in the Cambusnethan area.

Regards,
Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: kris47 on Thursday 13 May 10 21:02 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
        I would be much obliged if you could check the burial records for Quigley & McFarnon.

Kris
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 13 May 10 21:20 BST (UK)
Alan,

I don't have the records for 1903, sorry. What I have ends at 1901, then begins again at 1906.

However, there are quite a few children interred in Cambusnethan that may be of interest. Some are for James Maxwell and Susan Pollock, but they are in the same grave as children for John and Sarah, so could it have been 2 brothers married to 2 sisters?

The first 3 are all buried in common ground -

AGNES MAXWELL. Torbush, aged 9 months.
Parents - James Maxwell and Susan Pollock.
Interred 3rd December 1863.

AGNES MAXWELL. Newmains, aged 11 months.
Parents - James Maxwell and Susan Pollock.
Interred 9th October 1867.

JOHN MAXWELL. Gallowhill, aged 3 weeks.
Parents - John Maxwell and Sarah Pollock.
Interred 13th July 1871.

All of the following seven are buried in the old "Private" burial ground next to the churchyard, the plot is number 552.

ELIZABETH MAXWELL, Morningside, aged 14 years.
Parents - James Maxwell and Susan Pollock.
Interred 8th September 1873.

WILLIAM MAXWELL, Morningside, aged 2 days.
Parents - John Maxwell and Sarah Pollock.
Interred 14th October 1884.

ELIZABETH MAXWELL, Morningside, aged 3 months.
Parents - John Maxwell and Sarah Pollock.
Interred 23rd April 1886.

SARAH MAXWELL, Morningside, aged 3 months.
Parents - John Maxwell and Sarah Pollock.
Interred 29th March 1889.

NEW BORN MALE CAMPBELL, Morningside, aged 5 hours.
Parents - James Campbell and Ann Pollock.
Interred 25th January 1890.

WILLIAM COLQUHOUN. Morningside, aged 20 days.
Parents - John Colquhoun and Susan Maxwell.
Interred 3rd September 1895.

JOHN MAXWELL, Morningside, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - John Maxwell and Agnes H Davidson.
Interred 27th January 1900.

It's highly possible that your 1903 deaths are in this grave but you'd have to check with North Lanarkshire Council cemeteries department.

Lodger.
(For some reason I was unable to highlight the last few names, the text box is jumping all over the place, and I haven't touched a drop all evening - honest!)







Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 13 May 10 21:30 BST (UK)
Kris,

Not much luck I'm afraid, just the one child.

STILLBORN FEMALE McFARNON, Wishaw.
Parents - Thomas McFarnon and Sarah Quigley.
Interred in common ground, 12th october 1880.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LWLen on Thursday 13 May 10 21:42 BST (UK)
Lodger, that's absolutely great information, thank you very much. I had details of a few of those children but there are a whole load more that you've just uncovered for me - and yes, you are right about two brothers being married to two sisters, it didn't half cause me some confusion the first time I saw that!

Is the "common ground" in one particular place in the cemetery, or are they just plots dug up as and when required? I know there's no particular plot or grave stone to look for in these circumstances, but I thought that if it's one location I'd at least get a photo of the general area next time I'm there as I'm in contact with some of the other relatives who are now living further afield.

Thank you again for your help.

Regards,
Alan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: kris47 on Thursday 13 May 10 22:48 BST (UK)
Lodger, thank you for taking the time to check.

Kris
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 13 May 10 23:55 BST (UK)
Alan,

There would have been several areas set aside as common ground and no way of knowing who is where. There may be a stone at plot 552 in the old Private, walled ground part, worth having a look if the area is still accessable. I only live about 2 miles away but haven't been there for years.
If I have time at the weekend (weather permitting) I'll venture up there - camera in hand.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Sunday 16 May 10 10:03 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger,

Do you have any Death Records/Burial details for any of the following Moffat family who I have living in Wishaw between 1828 and 1851, possibly longer although they have left the area by 1861.

JOHN MOFFAT b. 1793 Airdrie, d. bet. 1871 and 1881
JANET THOMSON, wife, b. abt. 1801 Wishaw, probably died bet. 1841 and 1851.
JOHN b. 1816 Airdrie, d. bet. 1881 & 1891.
JANET b. 1818 Airdrie, d. aft. 1850.
ALEXANDER b. abt 1820 New Monkland.
JAMES b. 1823.
ROBERT b 1825 New Monkland.
ANN b. 1828 Wishaw, d. aft. 1840.
ELIZABETH b. bet. 1830 and 1833.
MARY b. 1835 Shotts, d. 1922 Stoneyburn - I already have Mary's details.
WILLIAM b. 1838 Wishaw, d. aft 1850.
JEAN McFERSON MOFFAT b. 1840 Wishaw.

Thanks again,
Canisp
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 17 May 10 18:05 BST (UK)
Canisp,

There is a gravestone in the old Cambusnethan churchyard with the simple inscription -
"1843 Erected by John Moffat and Janet Thomson in memory of their children".

There are records for this plot but they only begin near the end of the 19th century. Here's what there is.
Owners listed as John Moffat and Janet Thomson.
(As always, dates are of internments)
In the South lair -
JAMES MOFFAT, aged 63 years. 5th April 1909.
In the Centre lair -
JOHN MOFFAT, aged 68 years, 28th April 1888.
In the North lair -
MARGARET MOFFAT, aged 86 years. 26th March 1906.

There is a corresponding entry in the Day Book for James.

JAMES MOFFAT, railway porter, Airdrie, aged 63 years, married.
Parents - John Moffat and Margaret Twaddle.
Interred in old churchyard 5th April 1909.

There is an entry in the paupers burial book -

JOHN MOFFAT, coalminer, Palacecraig, aged 14 years.
Parents - John Moffat and Margaret Twaddle.
Interred in old churchyard 28th January 1867.

I found a lair in the new cemetery, section D number 436.
All of the following are buried in it.

JAMES MOFFAT, engine keeper, Wishaw, aged 56 years, married.
Parents - John Moffat and Janet Thomson.
24th May 1892.

JOHN MUIR, miner, Wishaw, aged 20 years, single.
Parents - John Muir and Agnes Thomson.
18th June 1896.

AGNES F.F. MUIR, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - Charles Muir and Jane Moffat.
18th June 1896. (same day as last burial).

HENRY FINLAY MUIR, ironworker, died Glasgow Royal Infirmary, usual residence 21 McAlpine St Wishaw, aged 24 years, single.
Parents - John Muir and Agnes Thomson.
14th November 1908.

AGNES MUIR, Wishaw, aged 58 years, widow.
Parents - William Thomson and Marion Finlay.
26th March 1912.

Hope this leads somewhere. Palacecraig is just outside of Airdrie.

Lodger.


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Monday 17 May 10 19:37 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger, I'm off to GROS tomorrow so this info will make things a bit easier to find.

Cheers,
Canisp
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 30 May 10 10:51 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger, 

Still tracking down the McNeill clan from Cambusnethan and wondered if you might know of some burials for family of Archibald McNeill and Elizabeth McConnell who married in 1885.  They had at least 10 children.

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 30 May 10 13:42 BST (UK)
Hi Heather, nothing for this family I'm afraid.
I was at the old churchyard yesterday, it's a mess! Lots of vandalism. Some areas have been fenced-off as unsafe, a great pity.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 30 May 10 14:25 BST (UK)
Thanks for checking Lodger and I love your photos!  When I saw Cambusnethan cemetery back in 2006 I marvelled at it's tranquility.  It's a beautiful place to visit.

Regards,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: kellygang on Saturday 05 June 10 05:00 BST (UK)
Hello Kilsyth. The information that I gave you is on a compact disc, of all the burials in cambusnethan Graveyard from the 1600s,up to 1993, with some gaps, but unfortunately it is not for sale, if you have any other queries, I will be most happy to have a search, and if you can give me the parents names, that will be a big help.
We also have surveyed Airbles, The Globe, South Dalziel and St. Patrick's Dalzell Estate graveyards in Motherwell, if you have anybody in them.
Yours Ron.

Hello Ron,
Such valuable resourses you have.
I would like to make a request for a look up.
My grtgrandparents are buried in Cambusnethan, but I am not sure of their death date. I am making a rough guess that it is between 1928 and 1940 as they returned to Scotland from New Zealand after 1928. They were born William Stewart, approx 1866 and Jeannie Stewart (nee Jane Heggie)approx 1871.
 Also dates of deaths of Jeannie's parents James and Agnes Heggie would be appreciated. They all resided in Braeside Cottage Kirk Brae in the 1891 census and in the 1901 census William and Jeannie Stewart resided in Manse Rd, Wishaw.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Camillo on Thursday 10 June 10 18:23 BST (UK)
Hi all

I'm looking for two graves which may be in Cambusnethan or another North Lanarkshire cemetry but I've had no luck yet.

Michael Dolan
Born September 30th 1859 in Buchanan Street, Bannans Land, Coatbridge,
Child Of John and Catherine (nee' Rourke) Dolan.

Michael Dolan passed away on July 27th 1910 He lived in Uddingston at 25 Greenrig Street. He left a widow Mary Ann Dolan (nee' Rollay? or Reilly).

Edward Pearson
Born   March 16, 1863 in Holytown, Parish of Bothwell
Died   December 21, 1918   at 22 West Academy Street, Wishaw

1891 Census Married to Susan Connor who appears on his death certificate as Susannah Connor.

1901 Census Living at 106 Scotts Road in Cambusnethan with his wife and 5 children.

Any way to check if they're in Cambusnethan?

Thanks
Camillo
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 10 June 10 22:19 BST (UK)
Hi Camillo,

I don't have all the records for Cambusnethan and what I have finishes, more or less, at 1916.

No Dolans there, sorry. I used to know a family of that name from the Coatbridge/Baillieston area. There were 2 brothers, twins? not sure, they've been dead for years. Philip and Patrick. Their mother was Sarah Cahill, she lived to be 101 years old. They had either a grandfather or great-uncle who was lord provost of Glasgow, after WWII perhaps?

Not much luck with the Pearsons from my records but my guess is that they are buried in C/nethan. There is one child of theirs there -

ANDREW PEARSON. Berryhill, aged 9 months.
Parents - Edward Pearson and Susan Connor.
Interred 6th August 1908. Section E. 1462.

if Edward died in 1918 he will be in the same plot.

Scotts Rows (not road) were at Berryhill and in my 1925 Wishaw directory there are still Pearsons grouped around the area, mostly at Berryhill and Quarry Street, some in Academy Street which isn't too far from there.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 10 June 10 22:50 BST (UK)
Lodger, can you have a wee look for Meek, and oblige.      Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 11 June 10 07:22 BST (UK)
Hi Skoosh, I would need a little more than just a surname.
Parents names, including mother's m.s.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 11 June 10 08:06 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger, the only info' I have is a William Meek who married a Janet Walker, Cambusnethan 3rd March 1792.       
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Camillo on Friday 11 June 10 11:59 BST (UK)
Hi Camillo,

I don't have all the records for Cambusnethan and what I have finishes, more or less, at 1916.

No Dolans there, sorry. I used to know a family of that name from the Coatbridge/Baillieston area. There were 2 brothers, twins? not sure, they've been dead for years. Philip and Patrick. Their mother was Sarah Cahill, she lived to be 101 years old. They had either a grandfather or great-uncle who was lord provost of Glasgow, after WWII perhaps?

Not much luck with the Pearsons from my records but my guess is that they are buried in C/nethan. There is one child of theirs there -

ANDREW PEARSON. Berryhill, aged 9 months.
Parents - Edward Pearson and Susan Connor.
Interred 6th August 1908. Section E. 1462.

if Edward died in 1918 he will be in the same plot.

Scotts Rows (not road) were at Berryhill and in my 1925 Wishaw directory there are still Pearsons grouped around the area, mostly at Berryhill and Quarry Street, some in Academy Street which isn't too far from there.

Lodger.

Thanks so much Lodger. The names of the Dolans are definitely not Philip and Patrick but I have a story which says a former Lord Provost lived in the same close as them. Interesting. I've tried Viewparks too but to no avail. Any other suggestions?

What is the likelihood of Edward being in the same plot as his child. Can I check who the lair owner is?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 11 June 10 13:05 BST (UK)
Skoosh, Meek is a most uncommon name in the C/nethan records, none in the MIs and only 2 in the burials, both females (one with no first name!).

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 11 June 10 14:00 BST (UK)
Thanks for your trouble Lodger, they cropped up later in New Monkland, the most likely origin is Bathgate but I thought C/Nethan might be a possibility, even a negative's a positive, cheers.     Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Saturday 12 June 10 23:49 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

I'm new here.  I wonder if you have details for a Robert Holmes being buried in Cambusnethan?  He was married to Hessie (we think) but having looked at a couple of birth certficates we can't make out her maiden name.  We think James and Hugh could have been their sons (James married Margaret Crosser), unsure how many other children they may have had.  We believe Robert Holmes was originally from Ireland.  We have him listed as alive in the 1891 census, aged 85.

Your help would be very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 13 June 10 09:32 BST (UK)
Hi Jokdy,

Looks like your Hessie was really Esther. Here's what I found.
In the old private burial ground between the churchyard and the cemetery. Plot number 222 holds the following -

ROBERT HOLMES. Cambusnethan, aged 16 weeks.
Parents - Richard Holmes and Agnes Kelly.
Interred 21st August 1876.

HESSIE HOLMES. Housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 75 years, married.
Parents - John McAhon and Isabella Duffen.
Interred 11th February 1882.

ROBERT HOLMES, labourer, Motherwell Poorhouse, aged 84 years, widower.
Parents - George Holmes and Martha McMullen.
Interred 13th May 1891.

ROBERT HOLMES, Bellshill, aged 1 year & 9 months.
Mother - Janet Holmes.
Interred 28th September 1908.

JAMES HOLMES, coalminer, Bellshill, aged 75 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Holmes and Esther McGechie.
Interred 20th December 1916.

----------------------

2 more burials, both in public (or common) ground.

WILLIAM HOLMES, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - James Holmes and Margaret Crossart.
Interred 18th January 1876.

MARGARET HOLMES, housewife, Bellshill, aged 52 years, married.
Parents - James Crossan and Elizabeth Diffen.
Interred 12th September 1908.

I don't understand why the above Margaret wasn't burried in 222 along with her husband. It may have been a mistake on the paperwork, who knows.

At least you have a clue to Esther/Hessie's surname. McAhon nowadays would probably be Mahon.  It's a very Irish surname, it sounds like Mach-on, the way we Scots say loch.  Note also, the spellings of Crossan/Crossart.

Good luck with your research,

Lodger.








Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Sunday 13 June 10 10:37 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger...this is great stuff.  Richard Holmes - a new addition - I'm thinking maybe he was brother to James.  This has been really helpful because we'd reached a brick wall regarding the parents of Robert Holmes.  It says he died in the poorhouse in Motherwell, yet he was listed as living with James only a couple of months previously in the 1891 census, he must have taken ill quickly? 

Yes it is a bit strange Margaret wasn't buried beside James.

McAhon or McGechie?  Hessie is definitely mother of James (he's my link to the family) but howcome his mother is named McGechie on his burial details yet McAhon for her own?  It's quite confusing.

Thanks for your help by the way.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 13 June 10 12:48 BST (UK)
Jokdy,
Here's another one - missed it earlier, sorry.

ARCHIBALD S.K. HOLMES. Cambusnethan, aged 3 months.
Mother - Esther Holmes.
Interred in common ground, 17th November 1914.

This has to be a granddaughter of Hessie, surely?
The child must have been illegitimate and you can bet your boots that the father's name was Archibald S. with a surname beginning with K.  It was (still is) illegal to add the father's name to an illegitimate child's birth certificate unless the father registered it (or was present at time of registration).
Adding the father's surname as the child's middle name was a way of telling the world (and the neighbours) who the father was.  The birth or death certificate should reveal all.

The poor relief books for Cambusnethan parish are now with North Lanarkshire Council at Lenziemill Archives in Cumbernauld.  The Cambusnethan records don't have much information but the entries for Robert and this child may give you something.
I would imagine that there will be a record there for Margaret who died in 1908. Bellshill is in Bothwell parish, and yet she was buried in a paupers grave in Cambusnethan parish. This tells us that although she died a pauper in Bellshill, she didn't have enough "residency" in Bothwell to be buried by that parish. So, Bothwell sent her to be buried in C/nethan and would have claimed that parish for any expenses incurred.

As for Hessie's surname, my experience is that the early information is always the most accurate.


Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Sunday 13 June 10 13:15 BST (UK)
That's interesting.  I have an Esther Holmes (born c1879) listed as daughter to James on the 1891 census, so yes she'd be granddaughter of Hessie.

Other children listed to James on the census are: James, Margaret, Janet, and William (they obviously had another son and named him William again since they had lost the previous William aged 9 months as per your listing).
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Tuesday 15 June 10 16:48 BST (UK)
Could you please check Cambusnethan Cemetery for Emily Muirhead nee Ford her parents were Edward Ford & Sarah Williams.

Emily died 30 Oct 1891 at 13 Stewarton Street, Wishaw if not to much trouble can you check if there are other siblings buried there

Regards Pia
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 16 June 10 09:07 BST (UK)
Hi Pia,

Muirhead is a very popular name in the Wishaw area, millions of them!

There is a family plot in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan, registered owner (in Victorian times) was Mary Weir. There is, or was, a small headstone that has weathered badly. The lower part of the inscription has gone but the top part reads - "Erected by Robert Muirhead in memory of his wife Mary Weir who died 21st February 1847 aged 22 years. Their son William died 1847"........ (rest of stone badly worn).

The burial records for the old churchyard only begin in the last quarter of the 19th century. Here's what I have for that plot. (all dates are of internment)
In the South lair -
WILLIAM MUIRHEAD, aged 36 years. 11th May 1914.
JANE MUIRHEAD, aged 70 yeas. 26th March 1927.

In the Centre lair -
LYDIA MUIRHEAD, aged 64 years. 11th February 1886.
EMILY MUIRHEAD, aged 24 years. 2nd November 1891.
EDWARD FORD, aged 46 years.  2nd March 1892.

In the North lair -
ROBERT MUIRHEAD, aged 21 years.  29th January 1883.
ROBERT MUIRHEAD, aged 80 years. 13th March 1900.

There is an entry in the Day Book for the above William that reads -
WILLIAM MUIRHEAD, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 56, married.
Parents - Robert Muirhead and Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard 11th May 1914.
So one entry gives his age as 36 and the other as 56. Probably a transcription error.

There are 2 entries in the pauper burial book for this family.
MARGARET MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 3 years.
Parents - Robert Muirhead and Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard 2nd December 1863.

STILLBORN MALE CHILD.
Parents as above.
Interred in the old churchyard, 23rd May 1868.

3 entries in the "modern" burial registers for the Ford family.
The plot is Section E.719 and all 3 are interred there.

CHARLES WILLIAM FORD, ironworker, Shieldmuir, aged 19 years, single.
Parents - Edward Ford and Sarah Williams.
Interred 27th September 1898.

SARAH WILLIAMS FORD. Craigneuk, aged 1 year.
Parents - Samuel Ford and Rachael Harvey.
Interred 7th September 1908.

SAMUEL FORD. Wishaw, aged 12 weeks.
Parents - Samuel Ford and Rachael Harvey.
Interred 27th June 1911.


Hope this helps. Good luck with your research.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Wednesday 16 June 10 12:39 BST (UK)
Lodger,
Thank you for taking the time to look up my Ford family very much appreciated

Regards Pia
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 24 June 10 14:27 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I'm helping someone with the Isaac family.  John Isaac married #1 Agnes Mathieson in 1862, #2 Jane/Jeanie Reynolds in 1867 and #3 Margaret Gray in 1890.

I wondered if you might have any Cambusnethan burials for John Isaac, any of his spouses &/or children of the above marriages.

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 24 June 10 16:50 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Not much I'm afraid. One lair, owned by Andrew Isaac, 78 1/2 Cambusnethan.  (Now Cambusnethan St).
3 internments.

DAVID BURTON. Labourer, Cambusnethan, aged 56 years, widower.
Parents - John Burton and Margaret McConnell.
Interred 2nd December 1914.

ANDREW GRAY ISAAC. Cambusnethan, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - Andrew Isaac and Jane Burton.
Interred 15th April 1915.

MARGARET ISAAC. Farm servant, 78 1/2 Gold's Land, Cambusnethan.  Aged 26 years, single.
Parents - John Isaac and Margaret Gray.
Interred 12th December 1916.

I don't have a record of John Isaac's death but he may be in the missing years.
Could this be his 3rd wife?
MARGARET ISAAC. Cambusnethan, aged 63 years, widow.
Parents - Andrew Gray and Elizabeth Muir.
Interred in lair 1250 E.  21st September 1908.


Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 25 June 10 12:42 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger,

I can always rely on you to find me a wee something to go on with!

Kindest Regards,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 01 July 10 03:01 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Still working on the same mob...Margaret Gray's first husband was Wm Wilson whom she married in 1876.  I know he died 04 Mar 1877 and would expect him to be buried in Cambusnethan. 

I wondered if you might be able to locate him for me and any children that may have been born to this couple as I'm certain they had issue before they tied the knot.

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: susan p on Thursday 01 July 10 10:41 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger ,
A long shot do you have any Beveridge or Brownlee (varied spelling) in your book.

Thanks Susan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 13:21 BST (UK)
Hi Susan,
Cambusnethan churchyard and cemetery are overflowing with Brownlies of all spellings. It is a very local name, there is even an area called Brownlee. You would have to narrow it down a good deal.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 13:32 BST (UK)
Heather,

I was right in my last posting to you when I thought that the Margaret Isaac in lair E1250 was the 3rd wife of John Isaac.

Also in that lair are the following -

WILLIAM WILSON. Labourer. Address given as Hartwood Asylum. Aged 33 years, single.
Parents - William Wilson and Margaret Gray.
Interred 13th April 1910.

ELIZABETH McGHIE. Housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 39 years, married.
Parents - William Wilson and Maggie Gray.
Interred 1st August 1912.

ANDREW J BURTON. Cambusnethan, aged 2 months.
Mother - Margaret G Burton.
Interred 20th December 1912.

I also found the details for the 1870 death of William Wilson. He was buried as a pauper, most probably in his family plot in the old churchyard. His parents and brother Gavin are mentioned on the gravestone, but he isn't.

WILLIAM WILSON. Miner, Cambusnethan, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - William Wilson and Jane Hyslop.
Interred in old churchyard 7th March 1877.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 13:44 BST (UK)
Heather,
One more, not much I'm afraid.

STILLBORN CHILD McGHIE. Cambusnethan.
Parents - James McGhie and Elizabeth Wilson.
Interred in public ground, 23rd March 1908.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: susan p on Thursday 01 July 10 14:02 BST (UK)
Thanks anyway Lodger as I said it was a long shot can only find one of each (Brownlee and Beveridge) and they were births for Cambusnethan.
Thanks again.
Susan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 14:27 BST (UK)
Susan, can you give me parents names? Especially mother's maiden name.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 01 July 10 14:44 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks for checking out the Wilson Lair for me and I'm sorry I didn't confirm in my last posting that you had managed to find John Isaac's wife in Margaret Gray/Wilson/Isaac!

There's a bit of a twist in the tail re this lot...there is a child born to Margaret in 1881 which I think would be registered under the name 'Gray'.  He dies 06 Dec 1887 aged 5 under the name John Gray Isaac or Wilson.  He can't have been Wm Wilson's child so the registrar was having an each way bet with this one!

He also has a sister Margaret Gray born circa 1879 who dies before the 1891 census is taken.  I figure that they are possibly buried together somewhere.  I wondered if you would be able to track them down.

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 15:15 BST (UK)
Heather, no luck with these two, sorry. I don't have paupers burials after 1881. If they were buried in the cemetery (as opposed to the old churchyard) after 1881 and were put into public ground, then I wouldn't have the list. Sadly, an illegitimate child very often ended up with a paupers funeral.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 01 July 10 15:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger,

Your efforts, as always, are very much appreciated.  All for now.

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Thursday 01 July 10 17:55 BST (UK)
Talking of Brownlie's Lodger, you don't happen to have anything on BARBARA BROWNLIE, born abt 1839 Wishaw, parents John Alexander Brownlie and Isabella Paton. In 1881 Barbara, her husband David Ellis and their son John Brownlie Ellis are living in Cambusnethan but I have been unable to trace them after 1881. You have already given me details of David and Barbara's other two sons, both named Robert, who were buried in 1863 and 1873.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 19:04 BST (UK)
Hi Canisp, no sign of them, sorry.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: susan p on Thursday 01 July 10 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Thought I had replied ealier but can`t see it on the board.Ihave Jane Brownlee no parents or birth date.
Hugh Beveridge b1835 Cambusnethan to William Beveridge and Annie Stewart.
May I also ask you to look for James McQueen   bCambusnethan 1839 to Mathew McQueen and Margaret Whyte or White.
 With Thanks.
Susan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 01 July 10 22:47 BST (UK)
Hi Susan,
Couldn't find any of these names, sorry.

Good luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: susan p on Thursday 01 July 10 22:52 BST (UK)
Thanks any way its kind of you to look.
Susan
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: davanel on Thursday 01 July 10 23:35 BST (UK)
Hi,
Is it possible to find The Forsyth family & Taylor family at Cambusnethan Cemetery?

James Forsyth b 1827 d 1881 married to Janet Taylor b 1828( she moved to England with her sons John Hamilton Forsyth & James Taylor Forsyth after her husband died). They also had several other children
Elizabeth, Thomas, Christina, Robert,
John married Elsie Northwood in Kings Norton, Birmingham

James's father was Robert Forsyth b Kirkonnel abt 1794, married to Elizabeth(died before 1881 census) They had John, James, Margaret William,Elizabeth, Agnes,Robert, Thomas, David, Jane between 1826 & 1843

Janet's mother was  Christian Hamilton b 1803, father  Thomas Taylor b1801.m 1828. Her siblings were John, George, David, Thomas, William. John married Jane & had Maggie,& 2 other children i believe

Christian's mother was Janet McAlpine, father George Hamilton.m 1802
Christian also on census' as Christina.
They all lived in Cambusnethan.

I would be very grateful for any help you can give. This is for my friend in Canada whose  gt grandfather was John Hamilton Forsyth.

Thanks
Davanel
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 02 July 10 15:43 BST (UK)
Hi Davanel,

Quite a lot of information to give you, so I may make more than one post.

I'll begin with monumental inscriptions from the old churchyard at Cambusnethan (there is an old picture on this thread, somewhere!). There are 2 stones that may interest you.
First one reads - "Erected by James Forsyth and Janet Taylor in memory of their son James who died 1st July 1856 aged 14 months. Also their daughter Christina who died 5th September 1860 aged 3 years and 6 months".

The burial records for the old churchyard do not begin until about 1875 or so. What there is for this plot follows (all dates from below are of burial, not death) -
Owners (in Victorian times) Hames Forsythe and J. Taylor.
Interred in the south lair -
CHRISTINA FORSYTHE. Aged 16 years. 2nd October 1879.
Interred in the centre lair -
JAMES FORSYTHE. Aged 54 years. 24th June 1884.
THOMAS FORSYTHE. Aged 17 years. 8th May 1882.
- - - - -  MENZIES. No age given. 19th November 1885.

Second stone reads -

"Thomas Taylor died 19th September 1861 aged 61 years. His wife Christian Hamilton died 18th February 1882 aged 77 years.  Their son Thomas died 5th September 1869 aged 26 years.  Also their children who died in infancy".

The records for this plot are -
Owners - Thomas and John Taylor and Jane Brownlie.
Interred in the centre lair -
CHRISTINA TAYLOR. Aged 77 years. 2nd March 1882.
JANE TAYLOR. Aged 69 years. 11th December 1901.
JOHN TAYLOR. Aged 79 years. 14th August 1909.

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These stones may or may not still exist, the transcriptions were made about 1982 and many of the stones have weathered or have been vandalised since then.


To be continued.................


Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 02 July 10 16:43 BST (UK)
I found 2 siblings of Christian Hamilton 1803 - 1882.

JANET THOMSON. Housewife, Wishaw. Aged 75 years, widow.
Parents George Hamilton and Janet McAlpine.
Interred in old churchyard 25th June 1881.

GRACE McDOUGALL. Wishaw, aged 78 years, widow.
Parents - George Hamilton and Janet McAlpine.
Interred in new cemetery, C579.  20th October 1893.
also her husband -
ALEXANDER McDOUGALL. Surfaceman, Wishaw, aged 70 years, married.
Parents - Allan McDougall and Mary Paterson.
Interred in C579.  15th September 1887.

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I believe the following to be the husband of Christian Hamilton, you will have to check the death certificate.
THOMAS TAYLOR. Weaver, Wishaw, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - John Taylor and Janet Bryden.
Interred in old churchyard 21st September 1861.

This would then be his brother -
ROBERT TAYLOR. Labourer, Wishaw, aged 58 years, married.
Parents - John Taylor and Janet Braiden.
interred in old churchyard 16th February 1863.

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Children of Thomas Taylor and Christian Hamilton.

WILLIAM TAYLOR, mason, Wishaw, aged 32 years, married.
Parents - Thomas Taylor and Christina Hamilton.
Interred in old churchyard 4th September 1877.

There is another stone on the same Taylor plot, it is (or was) an obelisk. The inscription reads -
"John Taylor died 12th August 1909 aged 79 years. His wife Jane Brownlie died 8th December 1901 aged 69 years. 2 children died in infancy. Their son John died 6th October 1877 aged 12 years".

The records for this family -
JOHN TAYLOR, mason, Wishaw, aged 79 years, widower.
Parents - Thomas Taylor and Christina Hamilton.
Interred in old churchyard 14th August 1909.

JANE TAYLOR, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - John Taylor and Jane Brownlie.
Interred old churchyard 25th February 1861.

GEORGE TAYLOR, Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - John Taylor and Jane Brownlie.
Interred old churchyard 8th February 1868.

GEORGE TAYLOR, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - John Taylor and Jane Brownlie.
Interred old churchyard 3rd December 1872.

JOHN TAYLOR, Wishaw, aged 12 years.
Parents - John Taylor and Jane Brownlie.
interred old churchyard 9th October 1877.

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Another child of Thomas & Christian -
GEORGE TAYLOR, joiner, Wishaw, aged 36 years, married.
Parents Thomas Taylor and Christina Hamilton.
Interred in the old Private Ground No.119. 4th June 1869.

Also in this plot are the following -
ARCHIBALD TAYLOR, wishaw, aged 5 years.
Parents - George Taylor and Ann Scott.
Interred 21st April 1868.

JOHN TAYLOR, Waterloo, aged 11 years.
Parents - George Taylor and Ann Scott.
Interred 23rd January 1877.

JANE W COOK, Hamilton, aged 9 months.
Parents - Alexander Cook and Ann Scott.
Interred 23rd February 1885.

THOMAS TAYLOR, mason (pauper), Hartwood Asylum, aged 43, single.
Parents - George Taylor and Ann Scott.
Interred 8th August 1906.

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to be continued .................




Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 02 July 10 17:03 BST (UK)
Now for the Forsyths.
I think the date of death for James Forsyth has been transcribed wrongly in the lair records. It should be 1881, not 1884.

I think this is the James you want -

JAMES FORSYTH, cooper, Wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - Robert Forsyth and Elizabeth Houston.
Interred in old churchyard 24th June 1881.

This is a sibling of James.

WILLIAM B FORSYTH, cooper, Wishaw, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - Robert Forsyth and Elizabeth Houston.
Interred in new cemetery, D378.  15th February 1893.

The next 3 are all children of James Forsyth and Janet Taylor and are all interred in the old churchyard.

JANET TAYLOR FORSYTH, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Interred 27th February 1868.

ROBERT FORSYTH, cooper, Wishaw, aged 24 years, single.
Interred 25th December 1877.

CHRISTINA FORSYTH, Wishaw, aged 16 years.
Interred 2nd October 1879.


That's all I have, hope you enjoy sorting it all out!

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Friday 02 July 10 21:19 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Can you help me identify the burial place of a William Davies (b. Bothwell 1823 d. Cambusnethan 1898), his wife Bethia Hepburn who was born abt 1822 and d.bef. 1882, his second wife Elizabeth McKinnon and any of their children.  They moved around Cambusnethan and neighbouring parishes during their life times. 

I'm also looking for burial info for any of William's parents or siblings.  The parents names were John Davies and Marion Morrison, although I suspect that they may have been buried in Bothwell parish.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 02 July 10 21:40 BST (UK)
Hi EDCBA, no luck with those names, sorry. Aslo tried Davis but nothing there either.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: EDCBA on Friday 02 July 10 21:42 BST (UK)
No worries, thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Friday 02 July 10 22:35 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

looking for burial of Thomas Buchanan his wife was Phoebe Ford and his parents were Thomas Buchanan & Sarah Rankin Prev.Buchanan nee Prentice. Sorry I dont have a date but think it would be sometime in erly 1900s

Pia
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: davanel on Friday 02 July 10 22:38 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Thanks so much for all that information. My friend in Canada will be amazed at all this. She is coming over next month, so a trip to the cemetery is now definitely on.
There wouldn't be anything for Robert Forsyth & Elizabeth Houston. I doubt it from reading previous replies regarding timelines for info available.
I have used roots chat for my own family , tracing people in Bermuda. There are so many people out there with lots of help for which I and others are very grateful. Thanks again
Davanel
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Saturday 03 July 10 08:59 BST (UK)
Lodger,  would you like the New Monkland Mortcloth Records, M to Z, I just ordered them to check for rellies but nae luck!  Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 03 July 10 10:35 BST (UK)
Hi Pia, no luck with the Buchanans I'm afraid!

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Saturday 03 July 10 18:40 BST (UK)
Thank's Lodger

Pia
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Saturday 03 July 10 19:02 BST (UK)
Skoosh, would you have a Mortcloth rental within your New Monklands/Airdrie record for a Prentice died 1832 born 1830 to Adam and Margaret Prentice.
Thanks,
Max
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Saturday 03 July 10 22:40 BST (UK)
Sorry Max, no Prentice's.   Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Saturday 03 July 10 22:59 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking.
Max
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 04 July 10 07:38 BST (UK)
Max, there is somebody with a Prentice website, mid Scotland, loads of stuff, try Google!        Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 04 July 10 07:50 BST (UK)
Max,   Google,  "Prentice family website, Scotland"                Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Sunday 04 July 10 11:54 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Do you have a John Brownlie/Brownlee on the list?

The 1841 and 1851 census would suggest he was born about 1791, he's living in Cambusnethan in 1851.  Links to other family trees suggest he died Oct 1861 but I am unable to find a death certificate on sp to confirm this.

He was married to Isabella nee Paton.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 04 July 10 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi Jokdy,

The records are scanty for 1861 and he's not in the ones I have. Found his wife though, also a son.

ISABELLA BROWNLIE. Housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 75 years, widow.
Parents - John Paton and Jane Percy.
Interred in old churchyard 11th September 1876.

WILLIAM BROWNLIE. Clerk, Glasgow, aged 44 years, married.
Parents - John Brownlie and Isabella Paton.
Interred in old churchyard 10th April 1869.

No monumental inscription for these burials and no records either.
There is information on siblings of Isabella Paton, do you need this? Let me know.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Sunday 04 July 10 15:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger...it would seem someone has taken the Oct 1861 from the fact one of his daughters married in Oct 1861 and he's stated as deceased on the marriage entry  >:(    so his death is anywhere between 1851 and 1861.

Thanks for the info about William, I hadn't been able to track down his year of death yet.

I currently have no siblings for Isabella Paton so would appreciate any info you may have.  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Sunday 04 July 10 15:57 BST (UK)
Skoosh, Thanks
Max
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 04 July 10 15:57 BST (UK)
Jokdy,

So sorry, they are not Isabella's siblings at all. They are, at least one of them anyway, children of John and Isabella.

ISABELLA MORTON. Hartwood Asylum, aged 85 years, widow.
Parents - John Brownlie and Isabella Paton.
Interred in old churchyard 18th May 1907.

Also the following - wrong father but I think it could be a transcription error.

MARY BROWN. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 73 years, widow.
Parents - George Brownlie and Isabella Paton.
Interred in old churchyard 4th February 1909.

There are burial records for this Brown family. The plot was owned by William Brown and Mary Brownlie.
All dates are of internment.
In the South lair -
SUSAN B LITTLEJOHN, aged 8 months, 30th June 1896.
BEATRICE LITTLEJOHN, aged 17 months, 23rd March 1900.
In the Centre lair -
MARY BROWN, aged 73 years, 4th February 1909.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM BROWN, aged 2 years, 26th September 1898.
ROBERT BROWN, aged 4 years 9 months, 25th October 1905.

There is also a monumental inscription for this plot - The stone is (or was) an obelisk.
"Erected by William Brown and Mary Brownlie in memory of their son John Y Brown who died 15th May 1865 aged 8 years.  Their daughter Mary M Brown who died 21st April 1867 aged 6 years. Their son John who died 25th September 1869 aged 1 year and their son Robert who died 19th October 1869 aged 11 years".

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Monday 05 July 10 23:53 BST (UK)
 :)

Thanks Lodger, that's been very useful.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Friday 09 July 10 11:18 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger,

A while back you gave me the following info on Ellis internments in Cambusnethan -

"the Cambusnethan burial register has Annie's parents as John Jamieson and Christina Cree. She was interred in the old churchyard (presumably with her husband) on 19th May 1868. The lair owners were Annie Jamieson and Richard Ellis.
Also interred in that lair were -
Robert Ellis aged 48 years - 4th Sept 1895.
Elizabeth W E Telfer aged 2 years - 20th Oct 1881.
Richard Ellis aged 60 years - 27th Feb 1891."

I have been trying to find out who this Robert Ellis was. There does not appear to have been a death of a Robert Ellis around this date and I have no record of a Robert born about 1847 on my tree. However the lair owner Richard had a brother Robert born about 1938 who died 20 May 1886 in the Poorhouse Motherwell, making him about 48 at the time of his death. Would it have been possible he was re-interred in 1895 or is this more likely to be an error with the date?

Thanks,
Canisp
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 09 July 10 17:04 BST (UK)
Hi Davie,
The old churchyard records show the burial for Robert Ellis as 22nd May 1886 aged 48 years.
others interred in the same plot are -
ELIZABETH W E TELFER, aged 2 years. 20th October 1881.
RICHARD ELLIS, aged 60 years. 27th February 1891.

There is a monumental inscription for this plot -
"Robert Ellis died 18th November 1851 aged 60 years, husband of Annie Jamieson".

Plot owners were Annie Jamieson and Richard Ellis.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Friday 09 July 10 19:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Max39 on Friday 09 July 10 21:50 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I have a John Prentice married to Agnes Courtney/Courteney who died 28/3/1890 in Motherwell and is reputed to be buried in the 'Auld Manse' Cemetery, Dalziel Estate. Does your databank have this cemetery and if so can you please confirm this burial.
I also have several of John Prentice grandchildren that are supposed to be buried in this cemetery.
Appreciate any information
Max.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 10 July 10 13:39 BST (UK)
Hi Max,

There is a monumental inscription in the old Dalziel burying ground (The Old Manse cemetery as it's sometimes called - or St Patrick's as it's wrongly called).

"1850  John Prentice died 23rd March 1890 aged 67 years, Agnes Courtney his wife died 31st January 1894 aged 72 years".
The burial records are almost non-existant, the sextons (gravediggers) for most of the 19th century were from the same family (James Prentice and son) and they kept all the information in their heads.
The only internment shown for this plot is -
JOHN PRENTICE, aged 66 years, interred 5th April 1921.

Out of the 202 plots, 12 of the owners were named Prentice, a high proportion. Other names linked with them are - Smellie, Forbes, McGregor, Suttie, Torrance, Wood, Horn, Muir, Lohor, Blackwood, McKay, Harvie and Paterson.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Saturday 10 July 10 15:14 BST (UK)
Lodger- you refer to some Smellie families related to Prentices in the Dalziell graveyard. Can you get me some information on them.Want to see if they link to my Cambusnethan Smellies... Thanks.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Saturday 10 July 10 15:27 BST (UK)



I was excited to see mention  of the Brownlee name in the Cambusnethan cemetery. We have dead -ended with a J anet Brounlie who was born ABT 1720 in Cornsillock, Dalserf, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  Janet married James Frame of the Consillock Frames who eventually married with the Nicol and Smillie (Smellei) family of Cambusnethan.

Is there any link to the other Brownlees mentionned?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 10 July 10 16:30 BST (UK)
Hi Vossen,

Smellie/Smillie is a VERY popular name in the Clyde valley, and Brownlie/lee is the most popular name in Cambusnethan churchyard!
The MIs for Dalziel churchyard list Janet Smellie who died 16th June 1886 aged 69 years, as the wife of Hugh Prentice.

In the Cambusnethan records there is a James Frame who died in Glasgow December 1874, parents were James Frame and Catherine Smellie. Is he one of yours?

To do look-ups I really need specific names.
Brownlie is, as I have already said, a very popular name. If you know where Cornsilloch Brae is, cross the Garrion bridge at the bottom, go over onto the start of Horsley Brae and about a quarter of a mile up,  the little road off to the right takes you into an area called Brownlie.
Cornsilloch is still being farmed, not by Frames though. The name Fram/Frame is prevailant in Dalserf parish but very few in Cambusnethan, vice-versa with the Brownlie name.


Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Sunday 18 July 10 19:07 BST (UK)
Am looking for graves or death certificate information on the following family members:


1. William Laurie (Wullie)   b. January 21, 1899    d. Nov. 16, 1990 Cambusnethan Cemetar
2. Peter Laurie       b. April 6, 1900 Motherwell, Lanark d. Aug. 9, 1955 Motherwell

4.  Margaret Nicol Laurie (Maggie) McGrath b. May 20, 1903 Craigneuk, Dalziel   d.       
5. Agnes Kennedy Laurie    b. October 26, 1904  Craigneuk, Dalziel   d.  November 23, 1974
7. Thomas Laurie        b. c. 1908, Lanark, Dalziel         d.       
8.  Alexander Laurie (Alex)     b. c. 1909 Lanark, Dalziel          d.
9.  John Laurie (twin)            b. May 10, 1911                                   d. Sept. 14, 1911 Wishaw     
11.  John Laurie       b. c. 1913                                                 d. July 26, 1975, Coventry?
12. Elizabeth Laurie (Lizzie)   b. c. 1914-1916            d.
13. Jean Laurie      b. c. 1917 or 1918          d. Bombing WWII-1939-45
14. Robert Laurie      b. 1920?                  d   
15. Jessie Laurie (Carr)    b. 1922 or 23               d
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Sunday 18 July 10 19:24 BST (UK)
Do you have the death registrations for James LITTLE, Coalminer and Helen THOMSON.
They were originally from Sanquhar in Dumfries but may have moved to Cambusnethan  for the coal mining. Also their daughter

 Isabella LITTLE and spouse William NICOL
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 18 July 10 21:46 BST (UK)
Vossen, I gave you everything I have back in April, see this and the next 2 entries.
Lodger


Vossen,

You don't ask for much!

I'll answer in 2 messages. This one deals with the old churchyard of Cambusnethan at Greenhead Road. The "new" cemetery adjoins the churchyard and will be dealt with in my next reply.

But, first of all.  In the 1851 census, Jean Nicol aged 21 years is born in Dalserf, not Dalziel.

There is a gravestone inscription in the old churchyard that reads -
"William Nicol died 7th June 1869 aged 66 years. His wife Isabella Little died 1st January 1857 aged 57 years. Their son Hugh died 16th September 1855 aged 24 years. Their son William died in infancy. Their son John died 16th February 1892 aged 64 years. (His wife Margaret Moffat died 22nd January 1899 aged 66 years)."

There are some burial records for the churchyard but they only begin in the mid-1870s. Here's what there is for the above plot. (All dates are of internment)
Owner is named as William Nicol.
In the south lair -
JANE NICOL, aged 2 years. 9th June 1885.
WILLIAM NICOL, aged 4 weeks. 19th December 1905.
In the centre lair -
JOHN NICOL, aged 65 years. 18th February 1892.
MARGARET NICOL, aged 65 years. 25th January 1899.

There is another Nicol family plot in the old churchyard, unfortunately no headstone has survived. Here are the records for that plot.

Owners are James Nicol and Jane Frame.
In the south lair -
UNKNOWN NICOL, no age given. 17th November 1883.
JAMES NICOL, aged 21 years. 25th July 1884.
UNKNOWN SMELLIE, no age. 26th December 1888.
ISABELLA STARK, no age. 20th October 1931.
in the centre lair -
JAMES NICOL, aged 54 years. 17th June 1879.
JANE NICOL, aged 76 years. 14th November 1904.
In the north lair -
MARGARET SMELLIE, aged 47 years. 16th March 1900.
PETER SMELLIE, aged 51 years. 8th October 1901.

The "unknowns" may well be still births or infants. It would be worthwhile checking out the 1855 death, there will be extra information on it.



Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 18 July 10 21:48 BST (UK)
Vossen - continued.

There is also an old walled part of the cemetery that pre-dates the municipal cemetery. It is situated next to the churchyard and the first burials were I think, about 1860 or so.
There are 2 burials there for your family (there may be others, the records are not complete). Again, all dates are of internment.

HANNAH BURT. Newmains, aged 3 years.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Plot 438. 2nd September 1881. (There are others in this grave, all by the name of McNeil).

ANN SMELLIE. Housewife, Overtown, aged 63 years. Widow.
Parents - John Lynch and Helen  - - - - -
Plot 174. 20th May 1872.


The next list is taken from the paupers burials. In all of the cases here, they will have been buried in their family plots at the expense of the parochial board. This particular record suppliments the records for the old churchyards. If the people below were not paupers you may not have been able to find their burials.

MARY LAURIE, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - William Laurie and Elizabeth Porter.
Old churchyard, 28th March 1864.

JAMES K LAURIE, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - William J Laurie and Agnes Kennedy.
Old churchyard, 6th June 1876.

GEORGE NICOL, locomotive fireman, Newmains, aged 24 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Old churchyard, 8th September 1866.

WILLIAM NICOL, coalminer, Waterloo, aged 66 years, widower.
Parents - William Nicol and unknown.
Old churchyard, 9th June 1869.

MARY NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 12 months.
Parents John Nicol and Margaret Moffat.
Old churchyard, 23rd February 1870.

HUGH NICOL, drawer, (in coal mine) Cambusnethan, aged 13 years.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 11th June 1873.

MARGARET NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 11 months.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 5th March 1874.

HANNAH NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 19 months.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 26th October 1876.

JOHN NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 6 years.
Parents as above.
Old churchyard, 31st October 1877.

JANE NICOL, Cambusnethan, aged 9 years.
Parents - James Nicol and Jane Frame.
Old churchyard, 18th March 1874.

JAMES NICOL, miner, Wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Old churchyard, 17th June 1879.

The post is getting too large, I'll continue.....
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 18 July 10 21:49 BST (UK)
The next list is from the Day Book for the new cemetery, in no particular order, just as I managed to find them.

ISABELLA BURT, housewife, Newmains, aged 59 years. (no marital status given).
Parents -William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Section D 413. 30th May 1892.

ARCHIBALD NICOL, coal miner, Morningside, aged 58 years, married.
Parents as above.
Section E 487. 13th August 1895.

ANDREW BURT, miner, Newmains, aged 22 years, single.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Section D 414. 6th June 1891.

HENRY MARSHALL, miner, Morningside, aged 12 years.
Parents - Robert Marshall and Isabella Burt.
Section D 414. 11th May 1892.

ALEXANDER MURDOCH, West Calder, aged 3 years and 10 months.
Parents - Alexander Murdoch and Mary Burt.
Section D 414. 15th January 1895.

THOMASINA M BURT, Newmains, aged 16 months.
Parent - Elizabeth Burt.
Section D 414. 18th November 1897.

NELLIE NICOL, schoolgirl, died Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, usual residence - Shotts. Aged 10 years.
Parents - Alexander Nicol and Marion Sommerville.
Section E 486. 5th May 1908.

ALEXANDER NICOL, coalpit roadsman, Overtown, aged 69 years, married.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Little.
Section E 1953. 25th August 1908.
Plot owned by Isabella Easton or Nicol, Hamilton's Land, Overtown.

ISABELLA NICOL, Hartwood Asylum, aged 75 years, widow.
Parents - William Easton and Isabella Stevenson.
Section E 1953. 11th May 1916.

ISABELLA MARSHALL, Newmains, aged 57 years, widow.
Parents - Andrew Burt and Isabella Nicol.
Section E 284. 17th January 1914.

JAMES SMELLIE, coal miner, 43 Park Street Wishaw, aged 44 years, married.
Parents - Peter Smellie and Margaret Nicol.
Section E 717. 25th November 1916.

ELIZABETH GRAHAM, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - William Laurie and Elizabeth Porter.
Section D 449. 5th April 1899.

MARGARET GRAHAM, Wishaw, aged 4 years.
Parents - Robert Graham and Elizabeth Laurie.
Section D 449. 5th November 1892.

JOHN GRAHAM, Wishaw, aged 6 weeks.
Parents - as above.
Section D 449. 29th April 1899.

THOMAS GRAHAM, miner, Wishaw, aged 18 years, single.
Parents as above.
Section D 449. 21st October 1899.

Plots 486 and 487 must have belonged to the same family, same for 413 and 414.

This has taken me hours to do, I hope it leads you somewhere!

Lodger.







Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rena on Sunday 18 July 10 22:11 BST (UK)
Lodger,  would you like the New Monkland Mortcloth Records, M to Z, I just ordered them to check for rellies but nae luck!  Skoosh.
.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I read there's a surviving mortcloth record !!!

 I'm looking for any McKenzie/Mackenzie and Cameron burial records. I know one Mackenzie/Mackenzie family originated up in Ross & Cromarty then moved south, possibly in late 1700's. don't know where the maternal Mckenzie/Cameron family originated.

I'd appreciate your time - thank you

Rena
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 18 July 10 22:33 BST (UK)
Rena,  I'm afraid I've given the book away as none of my lot were in it.  You can get it from the Scottish Genealogy Society at £5 each + p&p, the books run A to Max & Mc A to Z. The contact is
sales[at]scotsgenealogy.com        Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rena on Sunday 18 July 10 22:41 BST (UK)
thanks for your quick response Skoosh
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: albagubrath on Monday 19 July 10 10:32 BST (UK)
Hi, my first post here!

I'm trying to locate the lair no. of Daniel McFarlane d. 3 January 1899 in Wishaw.  I assume he's in Cambusnethen.

Any help is much appreciated
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 19 July 10 10:50 BST (UK)
Hi, my first post here!

I'm trying to locate the lair no. of Daniel McFarlane d. 3 January 1899 in Wishaw.  I assume he's in Cambusnethen.

Any help is much appreciated


He isn't in the Day Book for 1899 so, if he is buried in Cam'nethan it looks as though he may have had a pauper's burial and I don't have the details of those for that year.
Can you give me some more info? Parents names, especially mother's maiden surname would be a big help.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: albagubrath on Monday 19 July 10 12:26 BST (UK)

Thanks for the quick reply Lodger.

Daniel McFarlane was born about 1829 in Airdrie, New Monklands and died 3 January 1899 in Wishaw.  His parents were Neil McFarlane and Margaret McIntosh but, unfortunately, I don't know anything other than their names.
I don't know that Daniel McFarlane was buried at Cambusnethan but assumed as he lived in Wishaw.

Daniel married Margaret Gold (born between 1829-1835 Rigside, Douglas and died 3 February 1904 in Wishaw) on 3 February 1891 at 92 Gloucester St, Glasgow.  Any info on Margaret's burial place would be great also.  In 1891 Daniel and Margaret were living in an Alice Lee Cottage on Glasgow Road, Wishaw which had "five windowed rooms".  In the latter part of his life he seems to have developed a talent for poetry, publishing at least two books, which I hope would mean he did not have a pauper's burial.

Any information on the above people would be much appreciated as I thought I'd hit a brick wall with my research.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 19 July 10 13:59 BST (UK)
Albagubrath,

I've had a good search of all the records I have and can't find anything for Daniel or his wife and children, sorry. My guess is that they perhaps opened a lair in another place, perhaps for a child and they have gone into that.

I found a burial for someone who may be Daniel's sister. Unfortunately no mother's name is given.

ELLISON BROWN, housewife, Uddingston, aged 75 years, widow.
Father - Neil McFarlane.
Interred in the Private Ground No.543. 28th June 1883.

The only other thing I found was in the 1893 Wishaw Directory. Daniel was a bottler. He must have had a small factory as the directory didn't list "rank & file" people.
See link below.

Lodger.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: vossen on Monday 19 July 10 17:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger. I did use every single one of your references in my family tree from back in April. The Isabella Little and William Nicol I am referrring to go back even farther...but if you have given me all that there is in Cambusnethan thank you so much for all your help. We have travelled back to Wishaw from Canada a number of times and been to the graveyard several times - yes even behind the wires and barricades and once in the dead of night- but you have given us way more information through this rootschat site.   So here isa bit more info on my dead ends - and if there is nothing else there I will try some other sources. Thanks a million times over!


James LITTLE b. circa 1762  d. 27 August 1833, aged 71 m. Helen THOMSON

Helen THOMSON b. circa 1788 d. 20 July 1864, aged 76
Isabella Little b. 1800? d. 1857?
m. William NICHOL
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: albagubrath on Monday 19 July 10 22:38 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking Lodger.  This has saved me a great deal of time and effort which would probably have ended in me getting nowhere fast!
The search goes on...

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: albagubrath on Tuesday 27 July 10 21:50 BST (UK)
It took me three days of searching but I eventually found Daniel MacFarlane's grave in Cambusnethan.  His wife, his father and six of his childern are in with him.  As well as two people I don't know yet.
The gravestone is almost completely worn away and it was overgrown but so pleased to have found it and made all the effort worthwhile. 
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 27 July 10 23:24 BST (UK)
That's great news, which part of Cambusnethan? the churchyard or the cemetery?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: albagubrath on Wednesday 28 July 10 00:28 BST (UK)
It was in the low public section.  Think thats the cemetery but really not sure where the churyard stops and the cemetery starts
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: mcghee67 on Wednesday 28 July 10 12:38 BST (UK)
Lodger,

Do you have any records for female O'Neil deaths on the day book for Cambusnethan, my Greatgrandfather James O'Neil married twice I do not know the first name of his first wife.

Thanks Jane
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 28 July 10 16:07 BST (UK)
Sorry Jane, I need a maiden surname to cross-check with.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: mcghee67 on Wednesday 28 July 10 17:58 BST (UK)
Ho Lodger

On my ggrandmothers death record her mother is named as Mary Ann O'Neil (Ms Donnelly)

Thanks Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 28 July 10 19:30 BST (UK)
Jane,

Is Mary Ann Donnelly the 2nd wife?  If so, then I'm sorry but I can't help you. It is impossible to find someone when I don't know either the name, the date of death or the plot number.
The death certificate of your gt-grandfather, if he died in Scotland, should provide the names of his spouses.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: mcghee67 on Wednesday 28 July 10 19:56 BST (UK)
Thanks for taking the time to look Lodger, but I don't know if she is 1st or 2nd

Kind regards Jane
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: davanel on Friday 06 August 10 21:13 BST (UK)

Forsythe/Taylor

Hi Lodger,

My Canadian friends & I visited Cambusnethan Cemetery today. We found several of the tombstones you had inscriptions for. Sadly some were in the fenced off area but a kindly gravedigger went & looked for us but to no avail. I guess like many other sandstone tombstones they have eroded or  fallen down. However my friends were very moved by their experience.

I would suggest that other folk looking for old tombstones do so quickly as many are so badly eroded that they will be illegible soon especially in the private part as the ivy is growing over the stones in the wall.

Thanks for all your help. Have to do the same at Stonehouse & Lesmahagow now.
Davanel
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 06 August 10 23:15 BST (UK)
Hi Davanel, your sure picked a lovely day for a trip to Cambusnethan! Do you have webbed feet by any chance?

It's so sad about the condition of the stones, thankfully, they were transcribed in 1982, so much of the information has been saved.

I have the MIs for Stonehouse, if you need a look-up let me know.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Canisp on Saturday 07 August 10 10:50 BST (UK)
Do you have any Ellis's in Stonehouse Lodger? Probably 1900 onwards.

Thanks
Canisp.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 07 August 10 17:22 BST (UK)
Not one Ellis Canisp, sorry.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: davanel on Saturday 07 August 10 22:59 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks will get back to you about Stonehouse. We had sunshine all the time we were at Cambusnethan, the rain started after we had lunch in the carpark.
Davanel
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 26 August 10 13:34 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Recently I made a request for information regarding John Isaac (pg 22)who died 05 Jul 1904 in Cambusnethan.  His parents were said to be James Isaac and Harriet Prater.

You were able to find me information re his 3rd wife, Margaret Gray but not anything on him.  I have since found the death record of John Isaac's 2nd wife, Jane/Jeanie Isaac which was somewhat difficult to find because it came up under IZETT.  She died 26 Mar 1881 in Cambusnethan and was the daug of Manassch Reynolds  and Mary Scullion.  The name Reynolds on this occasion is spelt RANNALDS.

So I wondered if perhaps John Isaac is buried with his second wife and if maybe they are listed in the burial records under Izett and not Isaac?


It's a bit of a long shot but I strongly suspect that both John & Jane/Jeanie Isaac are both buried at Cambusnethan.  Any insight you could give me would be most helpful.

Regards,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 26 August 10 15:16 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,
I found Jane alright, the bad news is, she was buried in common ground. Here's the details.

JANE IZETT, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 41 years, married.
Parents - Manasskh Rannalds and Mary Sculion.
Interred in public ground 29th March 1881.

also -

HARRIET IZETT, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - John Izett and Jane Rannald.
Interred in public ground 8th March 1875.

I don't have the records for the years 1901 - 1905. I'm not too sure if the Cemetery office even has them.

Good luck,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 26 August 10 15:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger,

That at least solves the problem of Jeanie, (wife no. 2).  Not sure how the Isaac name got changed to Izett because I didn't think they were interchangeable but I'm guessing it has more to do with the fact that they just didn't read or write.

Thanks for checking this one out for me,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 29 August 10 11:17 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger...me again!

I have come across an unusual anomaly in that 3 men of 3 different families that I research married 3 women of the same Sandilands family.  So I'm just curious if you have any burials at Cambusnethan cemetery for William Sandilands and Catherine Prentice or their children.

William Sandilands was a baker in Wishaw for many years and I'm assuming that they were probably buried at Cambusnethan.  I'm just not sure if the name Sandilands was common in the area or not.  Sorry, I don't have the relevant death dates but I can tell you that Wm was born circa 1834 & Catherine circa 1836 and they are both present on the 1901 census.  Anything you manage to turn up would be most welcome.

Kindest regards,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 29 August 10 14:37 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Very few Sandilands around the Wishaw area. Prentice is a very common one.
Couldn't find William, he may have died between 1901 and 1906, I don't have the cemetery records for that time. Here's Catherine.

CATHERINE SANDILANDS. Wishaw, aged 75 years, widow.
Parents - John Prentice and Janet Allan.
Interred in section F 117.  20th September 1911.

the only other internment for that lair that I could find was this one -

STILLBORN MALE SANDILANDS. Wishaw.
Parents - William Sandilands and Agnes Sloy Hay.
Interred in F117.  23rd February 1914.

Regards,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Tuesday 31 August 10 13:45 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks for the Sandilands info...you were right, Wm Sandilands died in 1902 aged 68.  His parents (for anyone interested) were James Sandilands, a shepherd and Jane Scott.

Thanks again,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: nat122 on Tuesday 07 September 10 02:26 BST (UK)
Hi there,
I am from new Zealand and have traced my great great great grandparents to Cambusnethan!! I am looking for the Bell Family - Robert Bell in particular- died before 1873 I think.
thanks heaps
Nathania
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 10 September 10 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I was wondering if you might have anything in the cemetery records for Patrick Keenan (parents Hugh Keenan & Hannah McCarten) who died 19 Sep 1898...also his wife Agnes whom he predeceased. 

Her surname should be Haughy/Haughey and yet his death cert says her surname was McGhee.  I don't know when she died...just hoping it's not btwn 1901 & 1906 when there's a gap in the records.  Any other burials with this couple would be appreciated also.

With thanks,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: cazz on Monday 13 September 10 04:15 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I'm unsure if you can help me, but I will give it a try ;) I have several branches of my family tree that lived and died in Cambusnethan. Would you have any info on the burial place of  a John Ferguson (parents James ferguson/Margaret Malthy) m to Margaret Hodge (parents George Hodge/Mary Anderson). They may have died possibly early 1800's.
One of their sons was John Ferguson m Jean Frame (d:1841).
John/Jean's son Arthur Ferguson m Agnes Morton. I believe they all lived and died in Cambusnethan.

If you have any info in your book it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 13 September 10 08:53 BST (UK)
Cazz, Sage & Nat,
I'm in France until Wednesday, will answer as soon as possible after I arrive home.
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dthomso1 on Thursday 16 September 10 14:21 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I would be grateful if you can find plot details for William Thomson. Died Sept 1858 and buried in the Cambusnethan Old Parish Churchyard.

Cheers
Doug Thomson
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 September 10 20:58 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

Looks as if Patrick could have had a pauper's burial, he's not in the Day Book and I don't have the  paupers records for that period.  I did find Agnes, she is buried in a private lair with people called Mollahan. She may have just been a friend or neighbour, it was quite common to do that but I will list their details in case they are related.

2 early paupers burials first -

JAMES KEENAN. Newmains, aged 21 months.
Parents - Patrick Keenan and Agnes Haughey.
Interred in public ground 7th February 1866.

JAMES MOLLAHAN. Furnace filler, Newmains, aged 28 years, single.
Parents - Thomas Mollahan and Mary Crow.
Interred in public ground 22nd January 1868.

AGNES KEENAN, Newmains, aged 53 years, widow.
Parents - Peter Haughey and Rose Ann McGhie.
Interred in Section E463. 30th April 1901.

MARY MOLLAHAN.  Newmains, aged 70 years, widow.
Father - Edward Crow.
Interred in Section E463.  13th February 1900.

JOHN MOLLAHAN. Furnace filler, Newmains, aged 54 years, single.
Parents - Thomas Mollahan and Mary Crow.
Interred in Section E463. 19th September 1900.


Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 September 10 21:00 BST (UK)
Nathania,

I will need more information than just one name. Impossible to search without his mother's maiden surname. His wife's name (and maiden surname would help too).
 A rough time-period would also help.
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 September 10 21:22 BST (UK)
Cazz,

No information on ANY of these people, sorry.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 September 10 22:20 BST (UK)
Doug,
I found quite a bit for this family, I'll post it just as soon as I can.
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dthomso1 on Friday 17 September 10 10:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger. Much obliged.

Doug
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 September 10 11:06 BST (UK)
Doug,

A flat (horizontal) stone in the old churchyard of Cambusnethan has the inscription "William Thomson died 11th September 1858 aged (69) years. His wife Elizabeth Reid died 7th July 1869 aged 77 years. Their son robert died 30th January 1831 aged 10 years. Their daughter Ann died 26th February 1852 aged 17 years".
The numbers in brackets - (69) means the stone was worn and difficult to read, so it may not be the correct age.

There is an entry in the register of paupers burials that I think could be Elizabeth.
ELIZABETH THOMSON. Wishaw, aged 77 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Reid and Elizabeth Cunningham.
Interred in the old churchyard 10th July 1869.

3 other children of William and Elizabeth -

ROBERT THOMSON. Retired joiner, Wishaw, aged 81 years, widower.
Parents - William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
Interred in old churchyard 13th September 1913.

ELIZABETH HAMILTON. Wishaw, aged 74 years, widow.
Parents - William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
Interred in new cemetery Section D 139.  24th June 1888.
(Also in the same grave - THOMAS LIGHTBODY. Wishaw, aged 16 years. Parents - Thomas Lightbody and Mary Ann Hamilton. Interred 21st April 1890).

One more to follow.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 17 September 10 12:09 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks for the info re the Keenans.  So far I haven't found any connection with the Mollahans so not sure how they relate.

Cheers, Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 September 10 13:28 BST (UK)
Doug.......continued

The following are all interred in a large family plot, numbers 74 and 75 in the old walled private burial ground next to the churchyard at Cambusnethan.

MARION SMITH. Housewife, Carluke, aged 52 years, married.
Parents - William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
Interred 9th February 1885.

STILLBORN FEMALE SMITH. Harestonehill.
Parents - Thomas Smith and Marion Steel.
Interred 15th July 1862.

STILLBORN MALE SMITH. Harestonehill.
Parents - Thomas Smith and Marion Steel.
Interred 11th August 1863.

HELEN HAMILTON SMITH. East Crindledyke, aged 5 years.
Parents - William Smith and Marion Thomson.
Interred 12th February 1868.

BETSY R SMITH. East Crindledyke, aged 21 years, single.
Parents - William Smith and Marion Thomson.
Interred 22nd February 1882.

HELEN H SMITH. Crindledyke, aged 12 years.
Parents - William Smith and Marion Thomson.
Interred 30th May 1884.

WILLIAM SMITH. Farmer, wishaw, aged 59 years. Married.
Parents - Alexander Smith and Helen Hamilton.
Interred 19th April 1892.

ALEXANDER SMITH. Mining engineer, Carmyle, aged 36 years, married.
Parents - William Smith and Marion Thomson.
Interred 28th September 1901.

Hope this helps with your research.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: dthomso1 on Friday 17 September 10 16:56 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Thanks so much for this. It is extremely helpful!

Cheers
Doug
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: J-Mac on Friday 17 September 10 18:29 BST (UK)
Hi,
Is there any entry for John Scott, died January 7th 1911 at Glasgow Road Wishaw.
His parents were James Scott and Agnes Young.

Thanks,
J-Mac
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 September 10 19:42 BST (UK)
J-Mac,

Sorry, no entry for this man. If he was buried by the parish (a pauper's burial) he wouldn't have been recorded in the "Day Book", which seems to have been for paying customers only!  The list of burials in common ground hasn't survived as far as I know.

Good luck.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: loulou2 on Thursday 23 September 10 22:09 BST (UK)
hi, could anyone help me find the lair number/site of my grandfather's grave in Cambusnethan Cemetary. His name was Joseph Campbell and he died in February 1954. My dad often looked for it but couldn't find it.

Thanks

Louise
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 23 September 10 23:48 BST (UK)
Hi Louise,

You will have to contact North Lanarkshire Council cemeteries office at Bellshill, giving them the date of death of the last person to be interned in that lair (if known).

Or, it may be possible to check at the small office at the cemetery gates but it isn't always easy to catch the supervisor there, he may be out in the cemetery somewhere and it's a big place!

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Friday 24 September 10 12:34 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I've gone off on yet another tangent!  Would you please have a look for a Samuel Murray who died 28 Dec 1881 in a pit accident.  His parents were James Murray & Ann Stillen.

Samuel's wife was Ann Lilly (spelt in various ways) but I don't know when she died.  Also be very interested if any family members were buried with them.

With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 24 September 10 12:49 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

What is the difference between a paupers burial and a burial in common ground?
Have just discovered my gr. grandmother Mary Fulton was buried in common ground at Bent Cemetery.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 24 September 10 13:44 BST (UK)
Hi Mary,
They mean more or less the same thing.  Although sometimes the pauper in question may have been interred in a family plot, if one existed, at the expense of the parochial board. This of course would save space in the common ground. There is much evidence in the Cambusnethan records that this did happen. It just meant that the parish paid for the coffin, transport to the place of burial and for the opening of the ground.
The parochial board always had several areas throughout the burial ground that were set apart for paupers. Usually but not in every case, they were areas that due to bad drainage, solid rock - whinstone etc; parishioners didn't want.  (The parochial board had a duty towards all the poor of the parish, not just those who worshiped in the parish church but to all denominations).
It will probably be impossible to pinpoint a grave in any surviving piece of common ground into which a particular pauper has been interred. No grave markings of any kind plus the planting of trees and flowerbeds over the years would make the area unrecognisable now.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 24 September 10 14:14 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

Thanks for the explanation. It does seem strange though that they couldn`t afford a decent burial. The husband was a furnace man and even though there were 4 younger children there was 1 son living at home who was working as a coal miner.

There were 2 other children who died earlier so can assume they all ended up in the common ground. Guess we`ll never know.

Cheers.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 24 September 10 18:16 BST (UK)
Mary, there is nothing strange about it.  It happened to thousands of working-class people throughout the land.  Most people had no savings of any kind, some had life insurance but that was usually reserved for the breadwinner. The luxury of a decent burial was something only the better-off could afford.  It wasn't much of a decision really, spend the few pounds you had in order to bury your wife or, pay the rent buy coal and feed the children. (Mournings had to be bought too).
These were the good old-fashioned values Maggie Thatcher wanted us to go back to.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 24 September 10 18:46 BST (UK)
No., I guess we just can`t imagine what their lives were like. At least their children went on to better lives, the ones who survived childhood. My grandmother went to Canada and ended up, a highly respected person of the community.

Hoping that if I find where my gr.grandfather is buried that there is a stone in their memories.

Thanks for explaining this.

Cheers.

Mary
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: fifer1947 on Friday 24 September 10 19:34 BST (UK)
Please try to understand how bitter life was for these poor people. 

Miners or colliers were shunned by other levels of society a throwback to attitudes of the 1600's when they worked naked underground like animals.  I was fortunate not to have come from a line of colliers or miners but did some research into their lives through my partners family (and for Fife Pits site) going back to 1600's - well documented I might add - because they (and their wives and children they produced) belonged to the mine owner at that time and were bought and sold along with the mine.

Just going back 100 years to 1910/1915 the way these people were expected to live was an absolute disgrace.  Often what little money was spare or could be scrimped and saved was used to help their young folk get away to another country and the chance of a better life. 

The following site will give you some idea of the conditions of pit row cottages they had to live in before WW1.  http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/143.html
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: grandma on Friday 24 September 10 20:19 BST (UK)
No. it`s almost impossible to understand how they survived at all. This was 1860/70 so I can only try to imagine what it was like. Having children every second year and living like that on Furnace Row. My gr.grandmother died after giving birth to her 10th child!!!

We don`t know how lucky we are in this day and age.

Mary

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Tuesday 28 September 10 14:58 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Just enquiring if perhaps my query on the previous page re the Murray family escaped your attention.  I find it quite hard to believe as you're normally so switched on  ;D but I think there were other postings in the mix and mine got overlooked.

Cheers,

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 28 September 10 17:33 BST (UK)
Heather,

Yes, I had missed that one, sorry!

I have a neighbour who is the great-great-grandaughter of Samuel Murray and Ann Lilly.
Another neighbour is descended from a sibling of Janet Armit.

Anyway, first of all, here is the burial record for Ann.

ANN MURRAY. Housewife, Newmains, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - James Lilly and Rose Spence.
Interred in common ground 13th December 1873.

Also, an "odd one out" - not in with the rest of his family, unless his parents are in there after 1916.
JAMES MURRAY. Brusher, Newmains, aged 24 years, single.
Parents - James Murray and Janet Armit.
Interred in Section E 760.  8th August 1900.

there are 2 plots in the cemetery that are full of Murrays.
First is Section C 138. 7 burials here.

SAMUEL MURRAY.  Coalminer, Newmains, aged 59 years, widower.
Parents - James Murray and Ann Skillen.
Interred 30th December 1881.

SAMUEL MURRAY. Newmains, aged 2 years.
Parents - James Murray and Janet Armit.
Interred 30th December 1882.

THOMAS MURRAY. Newmains, aged 8 months.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 19th February 1889.

WILLIAM MURRAY. Miner, aged 46 years, single.
Parents - Samuel Murray and Ann Liley.
Interred 23rd November 1893.

THOMAS A MURRAY. Newmains, aged 11 months.
Parents - James Murray and Janet Armit.
Interred 16th July 1894.

ALEXANDER A MURRAY. Newmains, aged 11 months.
Parents - James Murray and Janet Armit.
Interred 18th June 1896.

MARIA MURRAY. Newmains, aged 12 years.
Parents - James Murray and Janet Armit.
Interred 22nd August 1899.

2nd plot is Secion C 180.

HENRY MURRAY. Newmains, aged 2 years 6 months.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 3rd April 1889.

WILLIAM MURRAY. Newmains, aged 7 months.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 1st March 1893.

SAMUEL MURRAY. Store Row, Newmains, aged 10 years.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 31st March 1894.

GEORGE S MURRAY. Newmains, aged 20 weeks.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 5th August 1907.

MARIA MURRAY. Newmains, aged 11 months.
Parents - Thomas Murray and Jane Saunders.
Interred 7th October 1910.

THOMAS MURRAY. Steel sawyer. 228 Cambusnethan. Aged 54 years, married.
Parents - Samuel Murray and Annie  - - - - - .
Interred 6th March 1916.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 29 September 10 01:41 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger...well that was certainly worth waiting for...thanks so much.

You referred to James Murray buried in Sect E 760 in 1900 at age 24...here's an editorial published in the local newspaper dated Sat Sept 8th 1900:

"Fatal accident - An accident of an alarming nature took place in the Herdshill Colliery (belonging to the Coltness Iron Co Ltd, Newmains), on Wednesday evening about 7:15 o'clock.
It appears that while James Murray, sen., and his son James Murray, both residing in Brown Street, Newmains, were busily engaged in brushing, a heavy fall of stone came away from the roof without warning and fell on the young man while he was in the act of stooping over the edge of a wooden bogie.  From thje nature of the accident there was no hope of saving the man, and death must have been instantaneous. 
The stone, which is estimated to have weighed 15cwts., took the united exertions of three men to break it, before the deceased could be extracted.
Murray whose age is 24, was a native of Newmains, where he was well known."
I thought that as the subject of miners was topical in this thread lately that I would add this excerpt as a matter of interest. 

James' grandfather, Samuel Murray who died 28 Dec 1881 also died in the pits, "From effects of injuries received on 27th Dec 1881 by a quantity of stone and debris falling on him while at work in No. 6 Pit, Greenhead in Cambusnethan."

The Murray family certainly made more than  their fair share of sacrifices for the mining cause. 
Lodger I was delighted to learn that there are still descendants of the Murrays in the area.  I recently had the good fortune to make contact with a descendant from Canada and as a result I now have a photo of Janet Murray (nee Armit) which I treasure.  She's a bit of a heroine in my eyes...I often think that if I had to walk a mile in her shoes that I would never have cause to complain again in my lifetime.  She must have been made of strong stuff!

If any of your neighbours were interested to make contact with me I would be stoked.
By the way, James & Janet Murray (nee Armit) are interred  in Sect E759.  If anyone ever had a chance to take a photo of this headstone (assuming there is one, that would be brilliant).
All for now,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 29 September 10 13:09 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I've come across a couple of Armit/Sleith connections and wondered if you would have any burial records for family of James Sleith & Agnes Smith. 

Their son John died 25 Feb 1919...would there be any burial records for children born to he and his first wife Agnes Pollock.  She died 16 May 1894 in Newmains and was the daug of Alexander Pollock & Isabella Anderson.

With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LizzieAS on Sunday 10 October 10 11:16 BST (UK)
Hi,

I think my GGGGGranparents and some of their children may be buried in Cambusnethan Cemetery and wondered if you could track them. They are:

Alexander Brown b @ 1771 (maybe a few years earlier), a Mason, of Bonkle
his wife Catherine Brown nee Inglis about the same age
their daughter Helen Brown b @1798
their daughter Catherine who married a William Waddel
and possibly other children.

I'd be grateful for any help you can give. I am hoping to be in the area in the near future but I understand the Cemetery is huge and just wandering about looking would be a bit of a waste of time!

Thanks
Lizzie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 10 October 10 13:45 BST (UK)
Hi Lizzie,

Couldn't find any of these people, sorry. Anyone who died before 1861 would have been buried in the churchyard, I checked the monumental inscriptions and there is nothing there for the Brown/Inglis or Waddell/Brown families.

Also checked the private burial ground that opened in 1861 and the new cemetery but couldn't find any mention of them, no still-births, children or adults.
I see the Waddells and Helen Brown in the 1851 census index for Cambusnethan, I imagine that they will have survived until at least 1855, so they should be easy to find in the statutory deaths.

Good luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LizzieAS on Sunday 10 October 10 15:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for trying Lodger.

I realised after I'd posted the message that I should have said that Andrew & Catherine probably died between 1841 and 1851 as they were in the 1841 census but not 1851 and at the same address as Helen and the Waddels lived in 1851. Is it possible that they could have been buried elsewhere? They came from Murdostoun originally?

Lizzie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 10 October 10 19:24 BST (UK)
Andrew? or Alexander?

The only other place they could have been buried is Kirk o' Shotts churchyard. Up until the end of the 16th century the estate of Murdostoun was owned by the Inglis family but they died out, the last Inglis owner died about 1719, leaving no heirs. I think that family were all interred at Shotts.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 10 October 10 22:49 BST (UK)
Try the Shotts Family History Society site for Kirk o Shotts.      Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Monday 11 October 10 10:31 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I know you don't mean to exclude me but I'm starting to get a complex  ;D
I wonder if you could please have a look at my message dated Sep 29 re the Sleith family.

Cheers,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: LizzieAS on Monday 11 October 10 11:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Sorry, senior moment :-[ yes its Alexander. I imagine my Catherine Inglis is not related to the Murdostoun Estate family!

I think I will have to call into the Lanarkshire FHS when I'm next in the area and perhaps have a look around Kirk O'Shotts. Thanks for your help.

Also thanks to Skoosh - I think Shotts FHS have amalgamated with Lanarkshire FHS now.

Lizzie
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Skoosh on Monday 11 October 10 15:35 BST (UK)
Folks,  there's another good site, the Salsburgh Heritage, or Family History Society.     Skoosh.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: raybar on Sunday 17 October 10 03:46 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger –   I’ve noted the fantastic services you’ve done for people and hope that you might be able to help me.

Three generations of Barrie/Barry families raised their children at Bogside, C’nethan, 1690 – 1790s.
John Barrie & Margaret Hamilton had William 1691, Marion 1693, John 1695,
John 1698, Alexr 1701.
Eldest son William & Mary Baillie had John 1733, Jean 1738, Alexr 1741,
William 1743, Mary 1747.
Their eldest son John & Christian Russel had Janet 1761, Mary 1763,
William 1765, Robert 1767, Christian 1769, John 1772.

Mortcloth dues were paid for William’s Alexr 18 Feb 1750,
 & for wife Mary Baillie 7 Jan 1782.
William was a Kirk Elder 1739-1766 & administered funds for the poor,
at least thru 9 Aug 1767.
His dau Mary married an Andrew Story 1774.

John & Christian’s Mary married a John Brownlie 1790;
Robert appears to have married an Isobel Hamilton 1814;
Dau Christian married a William Nisbet 1794, moving to Lanark;
& son John married Mary Forrest, raising his family at Blackhall.

Any info you may have about them, or about Bogside in that period, will be greatly appreciated.
And any suggestions for further research also, although I’ll never be able to get back to Scotland again so it would have to be by remote access.

Raybar
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 17 October 10 18:42 BST (UK)
Hi Raybar,

I can't tell you much I'm afraid, I checked the monumental inscriptions but drew a blank there.
The burial records for the old churchyard only begin in the 3rd quarter of the 19th century so, again, very little could be found. What I have found will be up to you to decide if they belong to the same family of Barries or not.
There are 2 family plots, adjoining, in the old churchyard, owned by Barries. One was owned by Janet Barrie and has no entries in the burial register. This probably means that any internments were made before records began.
The adjoining plot was owned by William Barrie. There are 3 internments but there would probably have been others made pre-1875. The 3 are -

ROBERT BARRIE. Aged 60 years. Interred 20th September 1881.
WILLIAM BARRIE. Aged 67 years. Interred 24th August 1886.
ALEXANDER BARRIE. Aged 83 years. Interred 13th February 1908.
Unfortunately, the 19th century Day Book, if such a thing even existed, for the churchyard has not survived. Fortunately, the Day Book entries after October 1906 are included in the book for the new cemetery. So, the following entry is from the Day Book, which gives a little more information.

ALEXANDER BARRIE. Engineman, Carluke, aged 83 years, single.
Parents - John Barrie and Christian Russell.
Interred in old churchyard, 13th February 1908.

The following are all extracts from the book of paupers burials.

JAMES BARRIE. Carter, Carluke, aged 46 years, single.
Parents - Robert Barrie and Isabella Hamilton.
Interred in old churchyard, 6th February 1863.

JOHN BARRIE. Farmer, Bushelhead, Carluke, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - Robert Barrie and Belle Hamilton.
Interred in old churchyard, 2nd November 1869.

MARY BARRIE. Housewife, Headlesscross, aged 100 years, widow.
Parents - William Forrest and Margaret Barrie.
Interred in old churchyard, 28th June 1867.

Could the last entry be the wife of John Barrie born 1772? I would question the 100 years part, she was probably just in her eighties.  Although the last 3 were given paupers burials they may very well have been interred in family plots.

I don't have any info on Bogside, it's a tiny hamlet now, just a few houses and farms and I expect it was the same back then. It is only about 3 - 5 minutes drive from Carluke.

Lastly, you mention that Mary Barrie married John Brownlie in 1790. could it have been Christian or Christina Barrie?

Hope this is of some use,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: raybar on Wednesday 20 October 10 03:45 BST (UK)
Thank you Lodger -  I really appreciate your time & effort.

All 5 men are sons of Robert Barrie & Isobel Hamilton.  Obviously the parentage of Alexr in the one entry is wrong. He was born 6 May 1824; John B. & Christian Russel in 1733.  All except Robert were born in C'nethan; Robert in Carluke.
The location & fact of marriage in John's interment record led me to find that an Extract Registered Trust Disposition and Deed of Settlement & Inventory had been recorded at the Glasgow Sheriff Court 19 Jan 1870; also that his wife was Agnes Lang.  They were married 20 Dec 1861 & had 3 sons, Robert Russell Barrie, b. 3 Mar 1862; Gavin Lang Barrie, b. 12 Jan 1864; & John Barrie, b. 5 Jan 1866.
Googling "Gavin L. Barrie", I found a photo of an inscribed monument in the  Kirkton of Lochalsh graveyard showing that a Gavin L. Barrie d. 27 Nov 1935 @ 71Y (=1864), his wife Christina Finlayson d. 9 Jun 1932 @ 68Y, their son Robert R. Barrie d. 19 Apr 1970 @ 71Y & his wife Katherine Fletcher d. 29 October 1979 @ 88Y.  They were married 1897 & 1935, respectively.  Don't know where yet.
Sounds related ??    Mary Barrie at Headlesscross - b. 4 Jun 1768 @ Carluke,
she was 99.         Thanks again.    --Raybar
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: raybar on Wednesday 20 October 10 04:06 BST (UK)
Lodger - Ran out of space.

It was Mary, d/o John Barrie & Christian Russel that married John Brownlie:
"1790  Augt 25th  This day John Brownlie in this parish [Carluke] and Mary Barry in the parish of Cambusnethan gave in their names for proclamation in order to marriage"
"[1790] Augt 27  John Brownlee in Carluke parish & Mary Barry in this parish [Cambusnethan]."
This was verified by Australian descendant Ian Edward Brownlee of N.S.W.

Older postings mentioned a 'compact disc of all burials in Cambusnethan graveyard from the 1600s up to 1993 with some gaps' at Motherwell Heritage Centre.  Do you know of anyone doing look-ups there ?                    -- Raybar
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Fern68 on Sunday 21 November 10 00:32 GMT (UK)
Hello Lodger. You are doing so much to help others I too am wondering if you can help me out with the info on the Cambusnethan disc.
My g/g/ granparents. Agnes, nee Logan & Alexander Stewart also lived in Cambusnethan. They were born around 1840.
Is it at all possible for you to check and see if there is any record of their deaths ?. I have drawn a blank with this side of the family.

Thanking you in advance.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 21 November 10 02:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Fern68,
Sorry, no sign of them or any of their children in C/nethan.

good luck,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Fern68 on Sunday 21 November 10 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger, many thanks for looking, appreciate that, obviously they must be buried elsewhere in the region.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Sunday 21 November 10 22:09 GMT (UK)
Fern have you found them on any census records after their marriage?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Fern68 on Sunday 21 November 10 22:37 GMT (UK)
I looked up FreeCen and obviously all the Scottish records are not yet done as they don't appear. There is an Alexander Stewart that appears in the census on Ancestry , so I'm hoping Ancestry will have another 'free' viewing in due course. (I've paid out enough at this time). ;)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Sunday 21 November 10 22:56 GMT (UK)
Do you know if and when they had children and their names?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Fern68 on Sunday 21 November 10 23:39 GMT (UK)
The only one that I know of was James Stewart born 28 May, 1869,Cambusnethan.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: blantyrelass on Tuesday 23 November 10 13:51 GMT (UK)
OH THE THRILL!  THANKS SO MUCH.I HAVE FOUND MY FAMILY IN CAMBUSNETHAN AND THE NLC PHONE NUMBER WAS VERY HELPFUL.

NOW I NEED TO FIND ROBERT SCOTT-MINER- MARRIED TO MARY MULLEN AGED 17 -HOUSEKEEPER- ON 11TH DECEMBER 1879 FROM CALEDONIA ROAD WISHAW

MARY LATER LEFT ROBERT AND BECAME GRANNY HADDOW.....HER RELATIONS WERE PADDY MULLEN,A WORTHY OF FABLE IN  THE FORESTERS HALL.....

ARE THERE ANY GRAVES WITH THESE NAMES ON THEM?
THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL HELP.

BONNIEJEAN  -  DONNELLY SEARCH

I've only just joined Rootschat, but my Grandfather (also Robert Scott) was the son of Mary Mullen and Robert Scott.  If you want to PM me, please do - I haven't made enough posts to contact you directly yet!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Angieb1314 on Saturday 11 December 10 17:54 GMT (UK)
I have only just joined Rootschat and was surprised when I found someone else researching my family tree. I guess that's what it's all about.
Annebarr was researching Kane / Cain / Kaine and McAllister who Lodger found buried in Cambusnethan Cemetary. I have put together this information as the Kanes and McAllisters and my g, gg and ggg grandparents and associated g, gg, ggg aunts and uncles.
I have read that I need to post 3 times before I can pm Annebarr so here we are.
Hope to hear from Annebarr again to discover where are paths and families cross.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenapple on Wednesday 15 December 10 00:32 GMT (UK)
Stuck in the Cambusnethan Cemetery trying to find very poor coal mining relatives.  Looking for any information on John Paterson died March 16, 1866 age 39 (died incident to coal mining accident).  Wife Jane Bullock Paterson who died Dec 25th 1876.

Parents of John-William Paterson and Margaret Weir Paterson
Parents of Jane-Walter Bullock and Margaret Gilchrist Bullock
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 15 December 10 10:37 GMT (UK)
Greenapple,

The Patersons may have been poor but, at least they could afford to buy a plot, unlike many other working-class people of the time.
There are only 2 internments in this plot between the time the cemetery opened (1861) and when my records end at 1915. There seems to be a mix-up in the parents names, either by yourself or the original informant.

JOHN PATERSON. Coal miner, Chapel, aged 39 years, married.
Parents - William Paterson and Margaret Bulloch.
Interred in Private Cemetery No.65.  20th March 1866.

JANE PATERSON. Housewife, Morningside, aged 50 years, widow.
Parents - Walter Bulloch and Margaret Gilchrist.
Interred in Private Cemetery No.65.  28th December 1876.

Chapel and Morningside are in the Newmains area of Cambusnethan parish.
I couldn't find any other reference to this family in the cemetery records, did they have children?

There are a few Bullochs in the Newmains and Wishaw areas, Walter Bulloch married Marion Robb at Cambusnethan in 1857.  They had a plot in an area of the old churchyard that I am pretty sure is part of a Victorian extention of the burial ground.
The name Walter, along with his abode, makes me think that there may be a connection.
Walter and Marion had 2 children who died in infancy,
ELIZABETH, aged 14 months, interred 6th Sept 1867 and INFANT SON, aged 14 days, interred 15th June 1863.
These 2 were paupers funerals but both would have been buried in the family plot.

Other records for this plot -
owned by Walter Bulloch and Marion Robb.

MARION BULLOCH, aged 49 years, interred 11th December 1888.
WALTER BULLOCH, aged 63 years,  interred 28th July 1898.

There are 5 other entries, all children, surnames Bulloch, Eaton, Clark and Kennedy, all from the 1890s.

Monumental Inscription taken from South Dalziel churchyard in Motherwell.
"Erected by Walter Bulloch in memory of his wife Christina Waddell who died 14th July 1893 aged 54 years. His father William Bulloch died 24th November 1887 aged 87 years. His mother Janet Anderson died 14th November 1865 aged 42 years".  This may or may not be the same family but it's worth taking note of it.

Good luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Angieb1314 on Wednesday 15 December 10 22:02 GMT (UK)
Still waiting to hear back from annebarr whp previously posted looking for information about Kane / Cain / Kaine's - they're all part of the same family tree as mine so looking forward to comparing noteson family links!!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: lud on Thursday 16 December 10 16:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Fern,
no credits left for Scotlandspeople.gov, but there is one death for Agnes Stewart
other surnames, Logan age 28 in 1871, this may be her, but you would have to subscribe to view the certificate :-\
Lud
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Angieb1314 on Friday 17 December 10 13:39 GMT (UK)
Where are you annebarr? ;)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenapple on Friday 17 December 10 19:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your wonderful findings on the Paterson cemetery location.  I have read some of your entries describing common ground plots for paupers, which I certainly assumed for my relatives. 

I also had mistyped the parents name---Paterson names are swirling about me, and was my error.  Your information is correct.

Since John died relative to a mine accident, would the mine owner provided a grave?

The Bullock family from whom I descend is out of Baldernoch, Scotland---I don't know where that is in relation to Cambusnethan.

Should you ever have a brief moment, could you please check another relative who should be buried there.  Again, a miner and again poor.
Husband: Francis Gormill (Gormil) born in either 1828 or 1824 in Ireland but resided in Cambusnethan.
Wife: Margaret Neilson Gormil born either in 1833 or 1828
My great great great grandmother, Janet Gormil Paterson, was the only one to leave Scotland. Other children Joseph, George, John, Francis, James and Peter all stayed and died in Cambusnethan---I know Peter and George are there as my father has visited the cemetery.

I don't know why it pleased me so that these folks had an actual plot but I am grateful for your information.

Donna (Green Apple)

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 December 10 22:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Donna,

Here is a link to a very good website
http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/index.html

There would have been absolutely no chance of a mine owner buying a plot for a deceased miner in those days. The widow, unless she had someone else in the house working for the same owner, would have had to vacate the squalid little house within a few weeks, no exceptions were made.

I don't know a place called Baldernoch but there is a Baldernock just north of Glasgow, a tiny village at the foot of the Campsie hills. It would be possible that a family would have moved from there to Wishaw for work, it was a very industrial area here in those days (Maggie Thatcher put paid to that).

I have a feeling that Gormill may have changed to Gorman later on but I can't really prove it - yet.

I found 9 internments but they are all children. Some records are missing, especially around 1902 - 1905, so the adults may have slipped through!  What records I have end at 1916 - 1917, so the ones that your dad mention may have died after that.  Here are the children -

MARGARET GORMILL. Chapel, aged 13 hours.
parents - Francis Gormill and Margaret Nelson.
Interred in public ground 12th March 1875.

ALICE PATERSON. Morningside, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - Adam Paterson and Janet Gormill.
Interred in public ground 21st January 1880.

JANE S GORMILL.  Morningside, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Isabella Napier.
Interred in public ground 1st April 1907.

STILLBORN MALE NICOL. Morningside.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Gormill.
Interred in public ground 20th May 1911.

FRANCIS GORMILL. Morningside, aged 4 years.
Parents - Andrew Gormill and Margaret Bell.
Interred Section E.2326.  25th April 1914.
Plot owner - Andrew Gormill, coal miner.  2 Binnie's Row, Morningside.

CATHERINE GORMILL. Morningside, aged 1 year and 7 months.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Catherine Gallocher.
Interred Section E.2326.  29th March 1915.

MARGARET GORMILL THOMSON. Morningside, aged 7 months.
Parents - George Thomson and Margaret Gormill.
Interred Section E.2326.  29th March 1915.

STILLBORN MALE GORMILL. Morningside.
Parents - Andrew Gormill and Margaret Bell.
Interred Section E.2326.  12th April 1915.

JANE S GORMILL. Morningside, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Isabella Napier.
Interred in public ground 1st April 1917.

That's all I could find, hope it helps. I did see another entry, again, for a child, the parents were "George Thomson and Maggie GORMAN".

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: greenapple on Saturday 18 December 10 17:38 GMT (UK)
Lodger,

Thank you, once again you have filled in a couple of missing pieces.  You found a missing child that we did not have record of for Adam and Janet Paterson, you also found a missing child of of Francis and Margaret Gormill---I am certain these belong to our family.  I also think these others have some yet unknown connection which I may never be able to establish.

You were right, the two Gormill brothers died after your records.  George died in 1943 and Peter Gormill in 1945. Did they stop keeping cemetery records after 1916-1917 in the Cambusnethan Cemetery, or are the records just not prepared for the computer as of yet?

These name changes are interesting to me in the 1871 census they are listed as Gormill, in 1881 and 91 they are Gormall.  In the US we knew her spelling as Gormill---if they morphed into Gorman another version also.

Thank you also for clarifying that the mine would not have purchased a plot.  These details clarify but also a a piece of richness to the history of the time-sad as it may be.

Donna
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 18 December 10 19:43 GMT (UK)
Donna,

Here is the link to North Lanarkshire Cemeteries admin.
http://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=7386

There was talk of them putting the old records on-line but who know when!
The Cambusnethan records are right up to the present day, I only have 19th century ones and a few early 20th century.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: tazpants on Monday 20 December 10 21:16 GMT (UK)
What a great thread and hats off to Lodger for his work.
Is there any chance you could check your records for me regarding some of my family. I,m afraid my details aren,t fully complete but what i have is

William Anderson  born 1841  died ?
Mother Janet Anderson nee Sneddon
Father William Anderson    (worked as collier)

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 20 December 10 22:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Tazpants,

Here's what I managed to dig-up for you.

WILLIAM ANDERSON. Gravel contractor, Braehead, parish of Old Monkland. Aged 58 years, married.
Parents - William Anderson and Janet Sneddon.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  21st October 1908.

MARION ANDERSON. wishaw, aged 7 years.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  30th December 1873.

CATHERINE ANDERSON.  Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  15th April 1874.

ROBINA ANDERSON.  Wishaw, aged 11 months.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  12th January 1876.

STILLBORN FEMALE ANDERSON. Cocket Hat.
 Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred public ground in the old churchyard.  2nd January 1869.

That's all I could find.  The Cocket Hat is an area at the foot of the Kirk brae from the corner of Coltness Road for a few hundred yards, heading towards Wishaw cross. I'm sure I have an old picture somewhere, I'll try and find it.

The old "private" walled cemetery has been vandalised beyond hope, here is a picture, it covers a large part of it.

Lodger.

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 20 December 10 22:44 GMT (UK)
Tazpants,
Do you have any info on the Sneddons or turners?
does Gardner Turner ring any bells?

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: tazpants on Monday 20 December 10 23:07 GMT (UK)
WOW. You are an absolute gem. Like others have said you have opened new doors of info that i didn,t know before. And so quick too.
The Turners and Sneddons i haven,t delved into yet as these come through on my Mothers side a few generations back.
Thank you so much for the photo too. I take it this is still visitable even with all the damage ? Would love to find the lair.
Thank you so much again for your fantastic help.

Ps. Just found Williams death on Scotlands People and it seems he died of a fractured skull and scalp wound   (obviously as a result of an accident). There is a RCE but it doesn,t provide anymore info.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 21 December 10 00:47 GMT (UK)
Tazpants, the picture was taken last year, so it will look much the same - apart from the 4 feet of snow at the moment!
I don't know if a lair plan has survived for this ground, I'll try and find out.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 21 December 10 18:30 GMT (UK)
Tazpants,
A picture of the Cocket Hat, this area covered both sides of the street (Kirk Road) and was probably taken in the 1890s. No street lighting and no tram lines.
The houses on the right, tenement buildings (or Lands) probably date from 1860 - 1890. Note the chimneys on the one at the back, a very Lanarkshire style, at the bottom of the roof facing the street.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: tazpants on Wednesday 22 December 10 05:08 GMT (UK)
Fantastic. Thanks so much Lodger. Just as an aside the family in question lived at 303 Kirk Rd, which looking at google maps is still there today.
Once the better weather comes in i will make a search of the cemetery to see if i can find the lair.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 02 January 11 04:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Hoping you can help me with a Paterson family from Wishaw also.  Mary Paterson (nee McNeil) married James Paterson.  She died 25 May 1901 in Wishaw and James predeceased her sometime btwn 1881 & 1891.  Mary was the daug of Andrew McNeil & Christina Wharrie.  James is said to be the son of John Paterson & Agnes McBride.
I'd also be interested to find any children born to James & Mary Paterson (nee McNeil).

With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 02 January 11 08:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Heather,

I'm not at home this week but will check when I return on Sunday.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Sunday 02 January 11 09:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger, I have plenty to keep me busy in the meantime.

Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 06 January 11 01:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I've come across a couple of Armit/Sleith connections and wondered if you would have any burial records for family of James Sleith & Agnes Smith. 

Their son John died 25 Feb 1919...would there be any burial records for children born to he and his first wife Agnes Pollock.  She died 16 May 1894 in Newmains and was the daug of Alexander Pollock & Isabella Anderson.

With thanks,
Heather.

Hi Lodger, I came across this request (page 29) that must have skipped your attention and thought I'd bring it to your attention.

Cheers, Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Thursday 06 January 11 17:55 GMT (UK)
 i must be doing something wrong because I have not noticed your post until today

AND I CANT BELEIVE THAT I HAVE FOUND YOU :
ROBERT SCOTT AND MARY MULLEN HAD 3 DAUGHTERS AS WELL AS YOUR PAPA ROBERT
THEY WERE MARY
JAYNE CALLED JEANNIE
AND MARGARET CALLLED MAGGIE

MARY MARRIED BERNARD DONNELLY,AND AS HIS WIDOW MARRIED JOHN DONNELLY
JEANNIE BECAME MRS THOMAS JOHN KANE
MAGGIE MARRIED THOMAS JAMES  MORE

MARY WAS MY GRAN ,DIED 1945 IN AUCHINLECK.

SO .........WE ARE RELATED!!!!
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR GRANDPARENTS..WHAT CAN YOU REMEMBER? DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS
YOUR GRANDPA ROBERTS SISTER LATER BECAME GRANNY HADDOW AND HAD 7 SONS AND I DAUGHTER


I LOVE DOING THE FAMILY HISTORY AND WE ARE HAVING  A  scott donnelly REUNION ON 12TH MARCH WHY DONT YOU COME!!
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: blantyrelass on Thursday 06 January 11 18:20 GMT (UK)
Hello!  I certainly remember hearing of Auntie Maggie and Auntie Jeanie - in fact, my mother was called Jeanie (Scott) after Grandpa's sister.  Once I have made another post or two, I can send you a private message.  Not sure if I'm allowed to give out my email address here?

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: blantyrelass on Thursday 06 January 11 18:35 GMT (UK)
Should add that Grandpa Robert Scott was born in 1881 and died aged 83 in 1964, so was he the eldest?  We actually lived with him in the house in Blantyre where my mother was born, so we heard lots of family stories...but not many about the Scott background.  We knew that Grandpa Scott had step-siblings and I knew some of them as a wee girl (they lived in Ashgill, nr Larkhall).  His mother was never mentioned, and it was only when a relative did a bit of digging some years ago that we found out she was called Mary Mullen (Co Monaghan?)

You have dozens of cousins out here!  Grandpa Scott had 8 of a family, and I have 20-odd cousins, though some have passed away.  I am in touch with many Scotts; some in Scotland, and some in Australia (one was an Australian MP until he retired).
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 09 January 11 12:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Heather,
Here is the Paterson information you asked for.

First of all, a double plot in the old walled private ground, lairs 370 and 371.

MARGARET PATERSON. Overtown, aged 15 years.
Parents - James Paterson and Marion McNeil.
Interred in 370 Private, 18th February 1868.

ELIZABETH PATERSON. Overtown, aged 13 years.
Parents - James Paterson and Marion McNeil.
Interred in 370 Private, 22nd May 1868.

JAMES PATERSON. Larkhall, aged 52 years, single.
Parents - William Paterson and Margaret Brownlie.
Interred in 371 Private, 4th May 1882.

JAMES PATERSON. Wishaw, aged 13 months.
Parents - John McN. Paterson and Christina R. Graham.
Interred in 371 Private, 6th March 1889.

MARY PATERSON. Wishaw, aged 72 years, widow.
Parents - Andrew McNeil and Christina Wharrie.
Interred in 370 Private, 27th May 1901.

2 burials in the new cemetery, section D No.474.

MARY McNEIL McCONNACHIE. Housewife, Newmains, aged 36 years, married.
Parents - James Paterson and Mary McNeil.
Interred in D474, 28th January 1898.

MARY PATERSON McCONNACHIE. Newmains, aged 7 months.
Parents - William McConnachie and Mary Paterson.
Interred in D474, 23rd August 1898.

That's all the Patersons I could find.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 09 January 11 12:40 GMT (UK)
Heather, not too many Sleiths around, here's what I have on them.

New cemetery, section C. No.636.

STILLBORN MALE SLEITH.
Parents - John Sleith and Agnes Pollock.
Interred in C636, 26th April 1889.

AGNES SLEITH. Housewife, Newmains, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Pollock and Isabella Anderson.
Interred in C636, 19th May 1894.

Something to go on anyway! North Lanarkshire Council should be able to tell you who else, if anyone, is in that lair, also the present owner (who may also be in there!)

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Tuesday 11 January 11 21:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Many thanks for the information provided...it's given me something to chew on these last few days.  Just as an aside for those who perhaps find this thread down the track please note that the parents of James Paterson were Wm Paterson & Margt Brownlie and not John Paterson & Agnes McBride as previously suggested.  I've been able to verify this information via his death cert and it rings true in accordance with the naming tradition.
Also, the child James Paterson who died at 13 mths is the son of Andrew McN Paterson and Christina Reid Graham (not John McN Paterson) as per the burial record.  I hope this helps my fellow researchers and thanks again Lodger.
Cheers,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 12 January 11 09:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger, Well they say strike while the iron's hot so here I go again!  Please could you do a look-up for Thomas GRAHAM who died in Cambusnethan btwn 1891 & 1901.  He was 54 in 1891 living at 71 Cambusnethan St but I'm sorry I don't know who his parents were.
His wife was Violet Walker (parents Hugh Walker & Christian Reid) but she didn't died until 17 Oct 1915 and you might not have a record of her burial.
They were resident in C'nethan for a long time so perhaps you'll find some children too.
With thanks,
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 12 January 11 17:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Heather,
I don't think your "iron" ever gets the chance to cool down!

Found this family in a double plot in the new cemetery, the only snag is, I'm not sure if I've found the right Thomas. The rest of the family are in Section A28 and 29. I think the Thomas I found is probably Violet's husband but, he's listed as being in Section A281. I think it's either a mistake on the original document or a transcriber's error. The age fits and his mother's name was Isabella - there is an Isabella in the A29 plot, so it was a family name.

JOHN A. GRAHAM. Draper's assistant, Cambusnethan, aged 21 years, single.
Parents - Thomas Graham and Violet Walker.
Interred in A28, 28th October 1892.

VIOLET W. GRAHAM. Cambusnethan, aged 2 years 6 months.
Parents - James W. Graham and Jessie P. Livingstone.
Interred in A29, 25th January 1900.

THOMAS R. GRAHAM. Insurance agent, Cambusnethan, aged 64 years, married.
Parents - Richard Graham and Isabella Armstrong.
Interred in A281 (sic) 19th November 1900.

VIOLET GRAHAM. wishaw, aged 74 years, widow.
Parents - Hugh Walker and Christina Reid.
Interred in A28, 19th October 1915.

ISABELLA FORREST. Housewife, 4 Kennedy Street Wishaw, aged 56 years, married.
Parents - Thomas Graham and Violet Walker.
Interred in A29, 5th September 1916.

Hope this keeps you going for an hour or two. If you need any others just ask.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Wednesday 12 January 11 23:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
That information was amazingly helpful and this time I was helping someone from New Zealand who has 2 Graham Siblings who married 2 Paterson Siblings so if there is anyone out there who has connections to either of these families it would be great to hear from you...you have family in NZ!
Yes, Lodger I think you have the correct Thomas Graham...I don't have his death record but he was certainly an insurance agent and his age gels too.
Thanks once again...
Heather.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Pasteur on Wednesday 19 January 11 11:44 GMT (UK)
Hello Lodger you are a fund of information and help it would seem, a rare commodity today and possibly you could help me ? I seek any Moffat headstone in Cambusnethan before the year of 1798, I will be visiting the place and thought you might know the physical location of any such stone. This is my first post to any chat room and if I am butting in please excuse me.
UPDATE! UPDATE! thank you very much for that I no longer need to visit but will go to Motherwell Heritage instead...so gateful for your help
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 19 January 11 14:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Pasteur,

Welcome to Rootschat. There are 10 stones in Cambusnethan churchyard with either male or female Moffats on them, unfortunately, none are earlier than the 1830s.  (Robert Moffat died 20th August 1836 aged 68 years, husband of Margaret Dounie). The churchyard is in a dangerous condition so if you do visit don't be surprised to see most of it blocked-off by fencing.
sorry to be so negative on your first post!

Good luck with your research,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: acorngen on Wednesday 19 January 11 15:38 GMT (UK)
Lodger,

I know this is being cheeky but would you be able to give me any details of the ARMIT burials in this cemetary please.  I know mine originated from Fife but ended up in New Mains and Cambusnethan before one left his wife in Riccarton Ayrshire and shacked up with Grace Ingham in Derbyshire.  These became my gg grand parents

Rob
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 19 January 11 17:57 GMT (UK)
Hi rob,
If you are looking for Armits get in touch with "Sage" from 3 messages above this. She has them by the score! From Fife down to Newmains and then to Australia and the USA. (The aussie ones were transported from Wishaw on a  drunk and refusing to fight charge!)
Heather has all the burials for Cambusnethan and knows more about the Armits than they do themselves. (Or care to admit).

Best wishes,
Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: acorngen on Wednesday 19 January 11 17:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks I will
Rob
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Thursday 20 January 11 02:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Gee thanks for the big rap!  Even though I kinda sense it might have been one of those backhanded compliments...you'll keep  ;D
Seriously though, I don't profess to be the 'ARMIT' guru you make me out to be but if anyone seeks help I'll give it my best shot.
Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: acorngen on Thursday 20 January 11 02:28 GMT (UK)
Sage,
You under estimate your worth.  The info you have given me as added to my history and I am greatful.  I have thanked you privately but thank you now publicly.

Rob
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: hettyhen on Saturday 12 February 11 01:29 GMT (UK)
I am just new to RootsChat and have been reading the posts on this link and it seems most questions can be answered, so hope some one can please help with the location of this gravestone and maybe fill in the parts I can't read. In the 1891 census the family lived at 261 Cambusnethan St, but haven't got the 1901 details as yet.  Any help would be much appreciated.
Heather R.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 12 February 11 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hello Heather and welcome to Rootschat.

I can confirm that this headstone is in Cambusnethan cemetery, the plot reference is Section E No.10.

I have some of the burial records, mostly Victorian, here's what I've found. All are in E10.

JANET R ROBERTSON. Newmains, aged 2 years.
Parents - Thomas Robertson and Agnes Ross.
Interred 19th February 1898.

JANE R HENDRY. Stane, aged 15 months.
Parents - Donald Hendry and Christina Robertson.
Interred 29th January 1900.

JOHN ROBERTSON, Newmains, aged 4 years 9 months.
Parents - Thomas Robertson and Agnes Ross.
Interred 3rd November 1906.

I don't have any of the later records but at least this confirms the grave number. It looks as though the age for Janet could be 2 1/2 on the stone, not 21.

In the 1922 street directory 261 Cambusnethan St is occupied by J McGhee but there is a T Robertson at 273. In the 1925 directory the householder at 273 Cambusnethan St is T Robertson, cement worker. The row of houses that included these street numbers was called Hermon Place.

Good luck with your research and if you know the parents of Thomas and Agnes I could look for them.

(The village of Stane is now part of the town of Shotts, a few minutes drive from Wishaw)

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 12 February 11 10:23 GMT (UK)
Heather, just found the other post that mentions parents names. Just carried out another search and this is what I've found.

JOSEPH ROSS, Newmains, aged 13 months.
Parents - George Ross and Isabella Russell.
Interred in Common Ground, 28th December 1874.

JAMES ROSS, furnace labourer, Newmains, aged 47 years, married.
Parents - George Ross and Isabella Russell.
Interred in Section B 132.  7th February 1914.
Plot ower - Agnes Ramage or ross, 40 Brown Street, Newmains.

The plot owner would probably have been his wife, it is still the legal way to write a married woman's name in Scotland, she never really gives up her maiden surname.

Without knowing who George and Isabella's parents were, it's impossible to check for burials.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 12 February 11 10:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Heather,

I found the 1901 census for this family incorrectly transcribed under the name Roberson!:

Thomas aged 37 born Douglas, Blast Furnaceman
Agnes aged 36 born West Calder
Hugh aged 13 born Carnwath, Telegraph Messenger
George aged 12 born Carnwath, Scholar
Mary aged 10 born Cambusnethan, Scholar
Bella aged 8 born Cambusnethan, Scholar
Walter aged 3 born Cambusnethan
James aged 1 born Cambusnethan

They were living at Leslie Place, Main St which I think is in Newmains.

Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 12 February 11 10:43 GMT (UK)
Heather,
This may be of interest:

The LDS site has an Agnes Ross or Russell born 10 Nov 1864 in West Calder to George Ross and Isabella Russell.

Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 12 February 11 11:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger & Heather,

I think perhaps George Ross' parents were James Ross and Isobel Neil.  I found George and Isabella Ross living in C'nethan in 1881 where it says Geo was born circa 1845 in Lanark, Lanarkshire.  There's a match for him on LDS born 23 Jan 1845 and christened 02 Feb 1845 in Lanark - parents James Ross and Isobel Neil. 
Geo and Isabella's first son James is born in C'nethan in 1867 and their second daug Isabella is born in C'nethan in 1868 so I'm hoping I've found a match!

Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Saturday 12 February 11 11:30 GMT (UK)
Hi again...I could be accused of being a serial poster here  ;D
I think I have a positive match on Isabella Russell's birth: 07 May 1841 in Carnwath to parents George Russell & Agnes Young.  I found them in 1851 living in West Calder.  This also corresponds with Isabella naming her firstborn daug Agnes after her mother.
Lodger, there's every chance that George & Isabella Ross (nee Russell) were buried in C'nethan so I hope this information helps you find them for Heather.

Cheers,
Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Saturday 12 February 11 20:39 GMT (UK)
 Having read some of the new posts I undestand that there are street directories for 1922 and 1925.
I would love to check United buildings Craigneuk for family-my dad,John Donnelly, was born at  NO.22 in 1917- but I suspect that more family also lived there.Can you tell me how to access these directories?

 Many thanks  to all for making my family search so rich and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 12 February 11 20:57 GMT (UK)
BonnieJean,

Motherwell Heritage Centre may have the directories.
In my copies, for 1922 there is J Donnelly at 22 United Buildings (Part of Meadowhead Road).
In the 1925 version there is John Donnelly, miner, at No.22.
No other Donnellys in United Buildings, or in Meadowhead Road.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: hettyhen on Sunday 13 February 11 01:20 GMT (UK)
Dear Lodger and Sage, 
Thank you both very much for your prompt replies very much appreciated.
Have been trying to sort that out for sometime, joined RootsChat and within 24 hours the answers flowed in.   Janet R was a puzzle, not on the census but seemingly died aged 21, need a higher powered magnifying glass! Will read and digest and enter them into my records and maybe come back with another curly question for you at a later stage. 
Regards
Heather R.
ps.. there is another topic I have found that will hopefully assist me in sorting things out entitled.. Help tracing ROBERTSON/ROSS/NEILSON/RUSSELL/WRIGHT. So here goes.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: BONNIEJEAN on Sunday 13 February 11 19:58 GMT (UK)
many thanks again You really are a wonderful resource for family searches Lodger and I have so much information thanks to you and the other helpful members of rootschat.

Can you look again for me at 22 united buildings  in any later date after 1925? I am trying to establish when this family moved away fron Craigneuk to Auchinleck Ayrshire. My dad met my mum there in 1935.

And could you look again at United Buildings in 1922 and 1925 for the Mullens? They are on my maternal grandmothers side.

Again grateful thanks.And Happy Valentine's  Day tomorrow to all!


Title: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 15 February 11 23:35 GMT (UK)
Looking for graves for:

Thomas Callaghan born Abt. 1865 in Ireland and died Bet.1898 - 1913 in Cambusnethan ?  Last known residence 63 Scott's Row, Berryhill. Parent's names unknown.
His wife Charlotte (maiden name Holey) was noted on the passenger list for Canada in 1912 as a widow.

Their kids all born in Cambusnethan:

1  Patrick Callaghan, born c1892 (may have died Cambusnethan)
2 Charlotte Callaghan, born Abt. 1893 - Emigrated
3 Teresa Callaghan, born Abt. 1896 - Emigrated
4 Duncan Callaghan, born 12 Nov 1897 - Emigrated
5 Thomas Bruce Callaghan, born 04 Aug 1898 – Emigrated

I included the ones who emigrated for the benefit of others researching this line.

Dennis Holey, born c1850 (Parent's names unknown) and his wife Charlotte (maiden name unknown). Sometimes the name is written as “Hilley” Last known residence 66 Scott's Row, Berryhill.

Their kids all born in Cambusnethan:

1 Charlotte Holey, born c1870
2 Agnes Holey, born c1886
3 Jean Holey, born c1893

They may have had more children as there seems to be large gaps in between births which is quite unusual so I’m hoping to fill in a few gaps.

Thanks in advance,

Anne.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Tuesday 15 February 11 23:41 GMT (UK)
Thomas still alive 1901

Thomas Callaghan 36
Charlotte Callaghan 31
Patrick Callaghan 9
Charlotte Callaghan 8
Teresa Callaghan 5
Duncan Callaghan 3
Thomas Callaghan 1
Agnes Hilly 15
Jeanie Hilly 8
Edward Hughes 35 boarder
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 15 February 11 23:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your quick response. I have the ones who were alive on 1901 census and really looking for graves of Parents and possible children of Denis Holey & Charlotte as the gaps are quite big between births?
Regards,
Anne.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Tuesday 15 February 11 23:55 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth aged 16 in 1891

Thomas Callahan 27
Charllotte Callahan 21
Elizabeth Hilly 16
 
 
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 16 February 11 00:01 GMT (UK)
Hilley family 1881

Denns Hilley 43 born Ireland
Charlotte Hilley 33  born Ireland
John Hilley 16 born: Kilwnng, Ayrshire
Charlotte Hilley 12 born: Wishaw, Lanarkshi
Elizab Hilley 6 born Carfin
Mary Hilley 4 born: Armadale, Linthgow
Thomas Hilley 2  born: Armadale, Linthgow
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 16 February 11 00:14 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for your speedy reply Sancti.
I had a feeling there were missing kids and you have given me 4 others which I can now add.
Great response and very welcomed.
Regards,
Anne.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 16 February 11 11:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Bonniejean,

I don't have anything after 1925, sorry.
No Mullens at United Buildings or anywhere else in Meadowhead Road. It is quite a common name and there are about a dozen addresses in Craigneauk/Shieldmuir/Berryhill with that name.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 16 February 11 11:59 GMT (UK)
Anne,

couldn't find any of your Callaghans in the Cambusnethan cemetery records.
The only burial record that may be of interest is -

PATRICK HILLEY. Coalminer, aged 70 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Hilley and Unity Burns.
Interred in common ground, 18th January 1913.

In the 1922 street directory the householder at 100 Berryhill Row was Mrs M Hilley.
In the 1925 directory for same address she is Mrs Margaret Hilley (w).
My guess is that the (w) stands for widow.

sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Lodger
Title: Re: St Josephs Cemetery Grave Pictures
Post by: ruairidh22 on Wednesday 16 February 11 23:04 GMT (UK)
Hi I am interested in the picture of Caughey/Crosson tried to post at your St Josephs but wasen't able to reply
Title: Re: Caughey/Crosson Grave Picture
Post by: ruairidh22 on Wednesday 16 February 11 23:18 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 16 February 11 23:33 GMT (UK)
Better to delete your email from the above post now that the picture has been sent
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Wednesday 16 February 11 23:50 GMT (UK)
Wher can I find information on the street directory for Beryhill around 1912

Ree
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 17 February 11 11:16 GMT (UK)
Try Motherwell Heritage Centre, they should have directories for that time but don't know if Wishaw (which was a seperate burgh then) published one.
If you tell me the names you are interested in, I could check the 1922 directory. (Usually contains males old enough to vote and adult females if they were head of house).

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Chesapek on Thursday 17 February 11 22:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger the name I am looking for is Patrick Slowey

Ree
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Friday 18 February 11 11:57 GMT (UK)
I'm sure the name Sloey/Slowey has come up in this Forum before, perhaps the Administrator will make a search.

According to the 1922 directory, there is a family of  4 adult Sloeys at 75 Hill Street Wishaw -initials M. J. T. J.
Also a P Slowey at 39 King Street Wishaw.
No Slowey or Sloey at Berryhill.

In the 1925 directory the householder at 75 Hill Street is Mrs Mary Sloey. (the tenement building was called Hilton Terrace).
In the same directory - Patrick Sloway (note the AY) steelworker, 39 King Street.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 18 February 11 12:43 GMT (UK)
I think it is RC member Pancho who has posted on the Lanarkshire board regarding the name Slowey. These are a couple of his posts www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322651.0.html and www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249421.0.html

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: scotheritage on Monday 28 February 11 06:33 GMT (UK)
Hi raybar and others
I am new to this site.  Just found your question on google, so I have joined to answer you.

Myggg grandparents were John Barry & Mary Forrest married 29/1/1796.
They had 8 children Margaret Barrie b. 29.12.1796 Blackhall Cambusnethan
next child unknown, Lillias b 11.5.1800 Mary b. May 1802 William 2.7.1804
Alexander 26.6.1806 Elisabeth 8.5.1808 and Marrion chr. 19.4.1812

My ancestor William Barrie, stonemason and his brother Alexander Barrie were bounty immigrants to Sydney Australia in 1832.  Alexander was found dead on a property in Annandale Sydney in 1840 and from his probate records William Barrie stated that his brother was unmarried and intestate leaving behind him surviving his mother and five sisters who all reside in England.  (I am guessing that he was referring to Scotland).

Further proof that William and Alexander were the sons of John Barry and Mary Forrest on William's death certificate in 1864 it was stated that Father not stated Mother....Forest. William named his daughters Mary, Lilias & Catherine.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: scotheritage on Monday 28 February 11 06:47 GMT (UK)
I think it is RC member Pancho who has posted on the Lanarkshire board regarding the name Slowey. These are a couple of his posts www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322651.0.html and www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249421.0.html

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: scotheritage on Monday 28 February 11 06:51 GMT (UK)
Hi again
The post is on page 30 dated 17.19.2010 on the Barrie family.  I know it is a long time ago and I hope that raybar is able to read this reply to his question on graves of John & Mary Barry (Barrie).

I am not sure how this site works - does RC send an email to raybar to notify of a new reply?
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 28 February 11 10:02 GMT (UK)
Hi scotheritage

Raybar should get an email notification that a post has been added to this thread. They should receive this assuming they haven't changed emails since posting or they haven't turned off the notification on this post (it's a very long thead with lots of contributors).

You could also send them a Personal Message (PM). If you go to one of Raybar's post, click on the small green scroll under their name on the l/h side. This will take you through to the PM system.

Monica
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Tuesday 15 March 11 23:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Do you have any Diffins/Duffins listed?   :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 16 March 11 01:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Jokdy,

quite a few, looks like most of them are related. It will take me a day or two to sort it all out. Is there a Holmes connection as well? Hessie or Hassey Holmes (m.s. McAhon), married to robert Holmes born Ireland died Cambusnethan 1882. Is she yours?
Also have the names Butler, Crossan, Grovenor, Heron, Brownlie, Kennedy, Keatings and Strachan all in there too.
Also a connection to the town of Bellshill.

I'll get back to you,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Wednesday 16 March 11 09:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Most of them will be mine  :D 

Not sure about Butler, Kennedy and Keatings but they could well be folks I've not stumbled across yet, or maybe I've just forgotten about them  :-\

Brownlie - yes - but you've provided info on some of them for me already. 

Crossan/er, Grovernor/Governor, Heron - all yes. 

You helped me previously with Hessie and Robert and found a few of their offspring who died in Cambusnethan, so no need to repeat your work there.  You also found James and Margaret Holmes, who both died in Bellshill but were buried in Cambusnethan.  So that might be the connection to Bellshill you refer to?

Having said that, I do have folks buried in Bellshill too...somewhere...children of William (son of James and Margaret above) and Alice Holmes, they died at an early age...William and Alice didn't have much luck and lost about 3. 

Particulary interested in finding burial details for husband and wife John Diffin and Margaret Governor, their sons James and Robert, daughter Sally Jane, daughter Charlotte and her husband William Strachan...all died in Cambusnethan. 

Thanks for this  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 17 March 11 09:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Jokdy,

To avoid missing any, I will send what I found, even 'though I may have already sent it earlier.

First of all, a double plot in the cemetery, Section C No.637 and 638. 6 burials there.

ISABELLA J. DIFFEN, Wishaw, aged 7 years.
Parents - Robert Diffen and Mary Brownlie.
Interred in 637, 12th September 1887.

JOHN DIFFEN, labourer, Wishaw, aged 68 years, married.
Parents - James Diffen and Sarah Heron.
Interred in 638, 16th August 1888.

MARGARET DIFFEN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 85 years, married.
Parents - Joseph Grosvenor and Elizabeth Tait.
Interred in 638, 16th August 1888.  (Same date as above - Lodger)

ROBERT DIFFEN KENNEDY, Wishaw, aged 9 weeks.
Parents - Frank Kennedy and Margaret Strachan.
Interred in 637, 27th August 1898.

ROBERT DIFFEN, railway platelayer, Wishaw, aged 59 years, married.
Parents - John Diffen and Margaret Govan.
Interred in 637, 1st June 1901.

STEWART GROVENOR, gold miner, Glasgow, aged 60 years, unmarried.
Parents - Joseph Grovenor and  - - - - -   
Interred in 638, 1st May 1911.

Next, a plot in Section E No.907. 4 burials there.

JOHN KEATINGS, labourer, Wishaw, aged 78 years, married.
Parents - James Keatings and Rose Diffen.
Interred 24th July 1900.

MARY KEATINGS, Wishaw, aged 70 years, widow.
Parents - John Stein and Catherine Groarty.
Interred 16th December 1909.

THOMAS HUGHES, coal miner, Wishaw, aged 25 years, unmarried.
Parents - John F. Hughes and Catherine Ann Keatings.
Interred 23rd January 1911.

ALICE CHRISTIE, housewife, Wishaw, usual residence Motherwell, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - John Keating and Mary Stein.
Interred 10th July 1915.

One burial in Section E No.1700.

CHARLOTTE STRACHAN, Wishaw, aged 56 years, widowed.
Parents - John Diffen and Margaret Govan.
Interred 30th June 1908.
Plot owned by Joseph Strachan, coal miner, Gold's Land 74 1/2 Cambusnethan Street.

Next, the plot is No.222 in the old walled Private burial ground that pre-dates the cemetery. 5 burials.

ROBERT HOLMES, Cambusnethan, aged 16 weeks.
Parents - Richard Holmes and Agnes Kelly.
Interred 21st August 1876.

HESSIE HOLMES, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 75 years, married.
Parents - John McAhon and Isabella Duffen.
Interred 11th August 1882.

ROBERT HOLMES, labourer, Motherwell Poorhouse, aged 84 years, widower.
Parents - George Holmes and Martha McMullen.
Interred 13th May 1891.

ROBERT HOLMES, Bellshill, aged 1 year and 9 months.
Mother - Janet Holmes.
Interred 28th September 1908.

JAMES HOLMES, coal miner, Bellshill, aged 75 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Holmes and Esther McGechie.
Interred 20th December 1916.

Lastly, 6 burials in public (or common) ground.

BRIDGET BUTLER, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - John Butler and Mary Duffen.
Interred 30th March 1861.

JAMES CROSSAN, Cambusnethan, aged 3 months.
Parents - James Crossan and Elizabeth Duffin.
Interred 21st February 1862.

CATHERINE BUTLER, Wishaw, aged 8 days.
Parents - John Butler and Mary Duffen.
Interred 21st March 1862.

PATRICK BUTLER, Wishaw, aged 9 days.
Parents as above.
Interred same grave as Catherine above, 22nd March 1862.

MARY BUTLER, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - James Duffin and Mary Welsh.
Interred 3rd June 1863.
(She may have had a still born male child, interred 26th May 1863 but the parents are recorded as Patrick Butler and Mary Duffy, so I'm not sure, - Lodger)

MARGARET HOLMES, housewife, Bellshill, aged 52 years, married.
Parents - James Crossan and Elizabeth Diffen.
Interred 12th September 1908.

Hope that lot will keep you busy for an hour or two,

Lodger




Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Jokdy on Thursday 17 March 11 09:24 GMT (UK)
 :o  Wow!!

Thanks Lodger...I'm away to my work in just a mo, so can't wait to get back home this evening and get stuck into all this great info.

Very much appreciated!

Jo
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: GForce on Thursday 05 May 11 15:31 BST (UK)
Hi

I'm new to this, however, im interested to know my roots and where i came from. I have been to Cambusnethan Cemetery and found a few graves relating to the surname in question but i need to know if they are related to me in any way?

Pettigrew -

My Papa died in July 1996 - John McCrindle Rankin Pettigrew. He was born in Oct 1906.
I have been told my Papa became an orphan at a young age and his parents died in Largs, however, i'm not sure how true this is. My Papa is not buried at the cemetery

My mother died in 2001 and her middle name was McCrindle (shes not buried at cemetery). I found a grave yesterday -
In memory of Elizabeth McCrindle (Pettigrew), wife of Robert Pettigrew. She died 29 June 1917.
Robert Pettigrew died 22 June 1923.

Were they my Papa's mum and dad?

My papa had a sister called Maisie and a brother called James. I'm not sure if there were an other children.

I know one large lair belongs to my Great Great Papa (my papa's grandparents) -

James and Margaret Pettigrew.
This was in memory of their children -
Thomas W Pettigrew d 27 Nov 1885, aged 6 month
John R Pettigrew d 27Feb 1895, aged 17 years
Thomas Pettigrew d 29 Mar 1900, aged 7 years
also the said James Pettigrew d 20 Sept 1911, aged 63 years
Jessie  Pettigrew Robertson d 17 Aug 1923, aged 28 years
and the said Margaret Pettigrew d 20 Sept 1930, aged 76 years
also eldest daughter Catherine Bell Pettigrew d 17 Jan 1952, aged 69 years
and Thomas Pettigrew died at Monkland Mill, Oct 1909 (think 35 or 65 years?)

Found another grave for James Pettigrew who died 25 Feb 1950, aged 45 years but i dont think this may be a relation.

My Papa was married to a Jean Gibb (not buried in cemetary), however, her parents Peter and Mary Gibb and buried there with their daughter. I also believe my mothers aunt, is buried in the same lair but her name doesnt appear on the headstone.

Can you please look into this for me, as I would like to know where my Papa's parents are buried. As he became in orphan. He wil born in Roberts Street.

Many Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Thursday 05 May 11 15:40 BST (UK)
The 1906 birth can be viewed on Scotlandspeople which will give his parent's names and the place of birth
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Thursday 05 May 11 15:56 BST (UK)
Also a marriage that can be viewed

1903 PETTIGREW ROBERT and MCCRINDLE ELIZABETH BELL at CARLUKE /LANARK
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: GForce on Thursday 05 May 11 15:58 BST (UK)
Where do i find this? I have already got the names for his mother and father and saw they got married in 1903, but its the rest of the family i wish to know about and what happened to them.

I located the scotlands people section before under Lanark and this is why i started my search for further info.

Thanks
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Thursday 05 May 11 16:13 BST (UK)
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is a pay per view site where you can download actual images of births, deaths, marriages and census records. The 1911 census may be helpful in your search for other children. His parent's deaths will be available to view too
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: GForce on Thursday 05 May 11 16:26 BST (UK)
Thanks v much

If anyone else knows anything, please let me know, to help me further

Much Appreciated
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 05 May 11 17:53 BST (UK)
Hi GForce,

This is the only information I could find about your Pettigrew family.
First of all, you quoted an inscription "Erected by James and Margaret Pettigrew" etc:

This is a double lair in Section A 38 and 39. The records I have show the following internments, all dates are dates of burial.

THOMAS H. PETTIGREW, Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin.
Interred in A38, 30th Nov 1885.

JOHN R. PETTIGREW, butcher, Wishaw, aged 17 years, unmarried.
Parents - James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin.
Interred in A39, 25th Feb 1895.

THOMAS W. PETTIGREW, Wishaw, aged 7 years.
Parents - James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin.
Interred in A38, 31st March 1900.

THOMAS PETTIGREW, forester, New Monklands, aged 65 years, unmarried.
Parents - Robert Pettigrew and Margaret Wardrop.
Interred in A39, 14th Oct 1909.

JAMES PETTIGREW, Flesher, Wishaw, aged 63, married.
Parents - Robert Pettigrew and Margaret Wardrop.
Interred in A38, 23rd Sept 1911.

That's all for that grave. (And now you have a maiden surname to help in the search)

Also found this - Lair F65 and 66.

ELIZABETH B.C. PETTIGREW, housewife, Wishaw, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - John McCrindle and Marion Frame.
Interred in F65, 2nd July 1912.
Lair owner registered as Robert Pettigrew, butcher, 2 Park St, Wishaw.

I expect this is your Papa's mother, so he wasn't quite 6 years old when she died.

Also, for the Gibb grave, that is in section E, number 1552.
STILLBORN FEMALE GIBB, wishaw.
Parents - Peter Gibb and Mary Botham.
Interred in E1552, 4th Jan 1910.

ELIZABETH GIBB, Wishaw, 3 days.
Parents - Peter Gibb and Mary Botham.
Interred in E1552, 1st Dec 1913.

I can also tell you that in the 1895 Wishaw Directory, James Pettigrew owned a butcher shop ( flesher = butcher) in Main St, Wishaw.

Finally, i can tell you that someone else is researching the McCrindle family. If you click this link
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp
Then type in the names John McCrindle and Marion Frame in the "father" and "mother" boxes, then click on Search, it should bring up 4 children in the Pedigree Resource File. Looks like Elizabeth McCrindle was born in Cambuslang. The name of the submitter is there as well. (Try putting in Robert Pettigrew and Margaret Wardrop, plenty of info on them in there too).
good Luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: GForce on Thursday 05 May 11 18:15 BST (UK)
Thank you so much!! I knew a relation of my Papa had a butchers shop in Wishaw. Would this be my Papa's uncle then?

I'm not sure who Robert Pettigrew or Margaret Wardop is but i can see they have children buried in the same lair as James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin. Would be great to have photos to see what they looked like.

In the Gibb Lair, there should also be a daughter who died in her thirties and my great Aunt Agnes, she died in the the 1980s though.

My Papa's dad is in the same lair as his wife Elizabeth McCrindle. Do you know how i find out how they died?

Thank you so much for all your help

G
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 May 11 18:44 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Although you have helped me in the past with Caine/Kane, Cullen etc. I am now wondering if you can tell me if there are any MacKinnon burials as my ggrandad Angus MacKinnon wed Rose Ann Cullen in 1888 & had at least 11 children, some of whom I have been unable to trace & there may have been some who died in infancy?

Regards,

Anne.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 05 May 11 19:55 BST (UK)
Hi Anne,
No McKinnon/Cullen children anywhere, sorry!

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 05 May 11 20:28 BST (UK)
GForce,

This is what I think.

your grandfather was John McCrindle Rankin Pettigrew, born Wishaw 1906.

His parents were Robert Pettigrew born about 1880, and Elizabeth McCrindle.

Looks as though Robert's parents were James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin.

Looks as though James' parents were Robert Pettigrew and Margaret Wardrop. This couple were married in 1841 (according to the IGI the link I have already given to you) and their Banns of marriage were proclaimed in the parishes of Bothwell and Torphichen, which means that one lived in Bothwell (probably at Carnbroe near Airdrie) and the other at Torphichen which is near Bathgate. Someone has submitted a record to the IGI saying that Robert was born at Carnbroe about 1816 but that should be double-checked.

We now know, from her burial record, that Elizabeth McCrindle's parents were John McCrindle and Marion Frame.

I think you are now back to your great-great-great-grandparents. Not bad at all. Plenty of flesh still to go on the bones but genealogy is a hobby, so go and enjoy it. Plenty of people will want to do it for you but there's no pleasure in that. We have given you an excellent start on the List, now, if you live in Scotland, my advice is to go to the Mitchell Library Family History Centre in Glasgow, or to Register House in Edinburgh and have fun finding it all for yourself.

Good luck and happy hunting,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sancti on Thursday 05 May 11 22:40 BST (UK)
GForce,

This is what I think.

your grandfather was John McCrindle Rankin Pettigrew, born Wishaw 1906.

His parents were Robert Pettigrew born about 1880, and Elizabeth McCrindle.

Looks as though Robert's parents were James Pettigrew and Margaret Rankin.

Looks as though James' parents were Robert Pettigrew and Margaret Wardrop. This couple were married in 1841 (according to the IGI the link I have already given to you) and their Banns of marriage were proclaimed in the parishes of Bothwell and Torphichen, which means that one lived in Bothwell (probably at Carnbroe near Airdrie) and the other at Torphichen which is near Bathgate. Someone has submitted a record to the IGI saying that Robert was born at Carnbroe about 1816 but that should be double-checked.

We now know, from her burial record, that Elizabeth McCrindle's parents were John McCrindle and Marion Frame.

I think you are now back to your great-great-great-grandparents. Not bad at all. Plenty of flesh still to go on the bones but genealogy is a hobby, so go and enjoy it. Plenty of people will want to do it for you but there's no pleasure in that. We have given you an excellent start on the List, now, if you live in Scotland, my advice is to go to the Mitchell Library Family History Centre in Glasgow, or to Register House in Edinburgh and have fun finding it all for yourself.

Good luck and happy hunting,

Lodger

Great advice
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: GForce on Friday 06 May 11 15:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger, you have been very very helpful indeed  :)

I will prob have a look in the Mitchell Library as i work close to there. Hope its easy to look up more info.

Thanks again for all your help

G  ;D
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 07 May 11 10:24 BST (UK)
G, have a look at this post which includes links to a series of films regarding family research at the Mitchell Library. Gives you an idea of what resources are to be found there www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,522720.0.html

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Monday 09 May 11 14:14 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Not sure if I've tackled the Hay family before but am wondering if the family were buried at Cambusnethan.

Alexander Hay died 26 Aug 1887 aged 57  at Morningside Square, parents John Hay, mother unknown
Jane Hay nee Inglis died 19 Jul 1888 aged 55 at Morningside Square, parents Wm Inglis & Agnes Tweedie
If they're not buried at C'nethan can you suggest where else I might check?

Their son Alexander Hay died 31 Oct 1901 aged 48 (this book's missing?)
His wife Janet Paterson Cairns died 01 Jan 1908 aged 54 in Wishaw.  Her parents were James Cairns & Margaret Paterson or Sommerville.

James Hay (son of Alexander and Jane nee Inglis) I now know died after 1911 but don't know when and not sure that you would have records this late.

I also have a John and a Jessie born to Alexander and Jane whom I haven't been able to trace.

Any help on these families would be most appreciated.

Regards, Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Monday 09 May 11 17:40 BST (UK)
Hi Sage,
I couldn't find Alex and Janet, they must have been buried as paupers and I only have the 1861 - 1881 common ground list.
here's what I did find -

AGNES HAY, Morningside, aged 3 months.
Parents - Alexander Hay and Jane Inglis.
Interred in common ground, 16th March 1863.

THOMAS INGLIS HAY, Morningside, aged 10 months.
Parents - Alexander Hay and Jane Inglis.
Interred in common ground, 22nd November 1864.

3 internments for plot E1103.
WALTER ANDERSON, Wishaw, aged 11 weeks.
Parents - John Anderson and Jeanie Hay.
Interred 22nd November 1907.

JANET HAY, Wishaw, aged 54 years, widow.
Parents - James Cairns and Margaret Sommerville.
Interred 3rd January 1908.

MARGARET R. ANDERSON, Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - James Anderson and Jeanie Hay.
Interred 25th February 1910.

Lastly, 1 internment for plot A1519, owned by James Anderson, iron shearer, 24 Greenlawn, Leighton Street, Wishaw.
ALEXANDER H. ANDERSON, Leighton St, aged 11 months.
Parents - James Anderson and Jeanie J. Hay.
Interred 22nd May 1916.

Lodger

Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Monday 09 May 11 23:41 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Do you have any McDermott’s in your records I am looking for the children of Patrick & Anne McDermott and any children of James McDermott & Elizabeth or Lizzie Reilly the all came from the Caigneuk & Beryhill area 
Regards Rita
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 10 May 11 07:29 BST (UK)
Hi Rita,

I could only find 2 entries and I'm not too sure about the first one!

SUSAN CARLIN, housewife and pauper, Wishaw, aged 74 years, widow.
Parents - Patrick McDermott and Ann McGuire.
Interred in common ground, 15th January 1870.

ELIZABETH McDERMOTT, house duties, Berryhill, aged 15 years, unmarried.
Parents - James McDermott and Lizzie Reilly.
Interred in common ground, 11th November 1909.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: sage on Tuesday 10 May 11 10:18 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks very much for the Hay family information.  This gives me some more insight into this family and another direction to go in.

Cheers, Sage.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: pia on Tuesday 10 May 11 11:00 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Thank you for your time, the first one I cant place but the second one is definitely mine

Regards Rita
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: WishawDavid on Wednesday 11 May 11 22:16 BST (UK)
Wow -- cant believe how helpful some people can be. Was at Cambusnethan tonight trying to find 2 graves, with no luck (gave up when it got dark) 1 was my uncle Hugh (hughie) Cunningham (died mid 80s if i remember) and the other was my grandfather William Davidson (not sure when he died but from what i remember he was buried somewhere around where the stone wall finishes and the green metal fence starts??). I thought i could remember the general location of them, but after 2 hours no joy. I really thought the records would have been online, but alas it looks not. Then i stumbled upon here..... Could anyone help me out with a location please? I could ask my mother but i dont want her upset. She visits every christmas to lay a wreath and happened to say the headstone was not in the best of orders -- i would love to get it cleaned up as a surprise for her.

Many Thanks for anyone help in advance

Dave
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 12 May 11 00:04 BST (UK)
Hi Dave, Welcome to Rootschat.

All the records are with North Lanarkshire Council at Philip Murray Road in Bellshill (across from the Fire Station)

Cemeteries Administrative Assistant
Environmental Services
Old Edinburgh Road
Bellshill
ML4 3JS

Phone: 01698 506300

You will need the exact date of death - to the nearest month, to instigate a search.
You could try the wee office at Cam'nethan cemetery but, you will still have to give the date of death or the lair number if you know that.
I only have the 19th and very early 20th century burial records so I can't help with a look-up I'm afraid. There was talk of North Lanarkshire putting the records on-line but I don't know how far on they are with it.

Good luck,

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: WishawDavid on Thursday 12 May 11 18:21 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger -- very much appreciated the pointers to start looking. Fingers crossed.

Thanks again

Dave
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: lud on Friday 13 May 11 10:48 BST (UK)
David
assuming you live in Wishaw, take a trip down to Motherwell Heritage Centre and visit Local Studies Dept they have records of burials in Motherwell, and Cambusnethan, on CD, there is a record for William Davidson age 67 died 3 Dec 1909 in section E 842,Cambusnethan, parents William Davidson Christina Huttton.
Hope this Helps
Lud
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: weevee on Wednesday 18 May 11 19:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger, just found this great site and wondered if you could help me find the burial
place of my Grandparents John Fleming Forrest, Died 22nd April 1916, and his wife Annie Ruth Forrest (nee Murray) Died 24th December 1937.
My Grandparents lived in Cambusnethan, and all their children were born there. One child Elizabeth
McWhirter Forrest died aged 6 months . She was born 25/3/1911 and died 18/9/1911.
My grandfather was a miner, so there well may not be a gravestone.
I would appreciate any help you can give me.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 18 May 11 21:12 BST (UK)
Hello WeeVee and welcome to RootsChat.

I only have records up to about 1916 and the years 1915 & 1916 are not complete, so unfortunately, I didn't find your grandfather. I did however, find the baby who died in 1911. She is buried in Section E, plot 32. Listed below are 5 infants, all buried in this plot between 1896 and 1915. I would expect that both your grandparents will be in here. The only way to find out is to contact North Lanarkshire Council at the Cemeteries Admin in Philip Murray Rd, Bellshill or, if you live near the cemetery, try your luck with the foreman gravedigger in the wee office just inside the old gate.

MUNGO FORREST, Newmains, aged 16 months.
Parents - John Forrest and Margaret Fleming.
Interred in E32, 25th August 1896.

JOHN FLEMING, Newmains, aged 11 days.
Parents - Robert Fleming and Marion Dove.
Interred in E32, 2nd April 1898.

ROBERT FLEMING, Cambusnethan, aged 7 months.
Parents - Robert Fleming and Marion Dove.
Interred in E32, 22nd November 1907.

ELIZABETH M. FORREST, Cambusnethan, aged 6 months.
Parents - John Forrest and Annie Ruth Murray.
Interred in E32, 20th September 1911.

MARY McCORMACK FORREST, Carluke, aged 9 months.
Parents - William Forrest and Mary Hinshalwood.
Interred in E32, 27th May 1915.

Good luck with the rest of your research,

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: weevee on Thursday 19 May 11 17:18 BST (UK)
Hello lodger,

thank you so very much for the information on my family plot at cambusnethan cemetery, i really appreciate
your help.
weevee
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: _deedles_ on Friday 10 June 11 22:37 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I am really new to this and hoping someone can help me!

I am getting married this year and have become quite sentimental due to this.

My dad died when I was young and his mother died long before that and for this reason I don't even know my grand mothers name. I would like to find this information out and any help would be much appreciated.

The information I have is:

my dad:  Denis Dowling born 7th Feb 1940 - died 5th Feb 1994 (buried in Airbles cemetery)
My Grandfather:  William Dowling died 1991 and buried in Cambusnethan cemetery ( I believe him to be buried with his wife - however I may be mistaken!)

Thank you so much in advance!

Dee
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: fifer1947 on Friday 10 June 11 22:54 BST (UK)
Looks like your grandfather was born in 1915 (process of elimination using year of death) there are two entries for William Dowling in the whole of Scotland and both in Lanark. 

You can get his birth cert from Scotlands People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx  ;D
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: _deedles_ on Saturday 11 June 11 06:51 BST (UK)
Thank you fifer1974 The other William Dowling I will presume to be my fathers brother who is buried with him having died in 1996 (or there abouts).

will the website u have shown also give information on marriages? As its actually my grand mother on that side that I am interested in?

Thank you for your help :)

Dee
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: _deedles_ on Saturday 11 June 11 07:57 BST (UK)
Thank you I found all the info I was looking for :) my Grandmother was Agnes - helps to at least know her name :)

Dee
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Leia on Tuesday 09 August 11 06:06 BST (UK)
A way back in 2008, post #28 / 29, I was given some very valuable information on my Grandfather's first wife's burial. It seems that the family in Scotland have not been to the cemetery to locate the grave but I am on my way over in September.

I am wondering if there are any other Amos buried there (so as not to miss them this trip, if there are any) and also if there is a way to find out where Section E is, if I happen to be so unlucky to arrive at the cemetery when the groundskeepers are not there.  I will make every attempt to get there during regular hours but last trip over I happened to hit it on the Friday of a bank holiday weekend and it seemed everyone was taking off early!   :(
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: NZDawn on Tuesday 15 November 11 09:33 GMT (UK)
Kia ora Cottontail

I was looking through Cambusnethan records as I wanted to visit the area when I come to Scotland in 2012 and then I saw the message - you were enquiring about my family! My great grandmother was Helen Hamilton Merrilees, b about 1858 daughter of Agnes and William Merrilees. Robert, who apparently disappeared was her brother. Other family members were Margaret (Maggie), Agnes m Miller and Alex. Helen married Dr Patrick Fletcher and emigrated to New Zealand c 1875. I have family letters spanning nearly 20 years from the 1870s to the 1890s. They were all written from Maggie, Agnes and Alex from Trotter Bank which appears to have been the name of their orchard. I know from their letters quite a bit about their orchard and their relatives, many of whom died of lung diseases at quite young ages. I know that the sisters married, but I lost track of Alex who ceases to appear in census records. I would be interested to know if anyone has information on him and possible descendants. I did not have the death dates for the parents so that is new information for me.

I went to the Merrilees world clan gathering in Dunedin, New Zealand, a few years ago and met the Canadian descendants of Robert. I assume his wife must have emigrated to Canada with their children after he disappeared. According to my letters he was a ship's engineer and when they hadn't heard for a long time they assumed he was lost  at sea. I have seen other suggestions.

It is so exciting to have family information jump out from the screen in such an unexpected way. I hope to hear from you.

NZDawn
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 15 November 11 11:55 GMT (UK)
Hi NZDawn,

Welcome to Rootschat, this is a great List, everyone is very friendly and we keep ourselves to ourselves...............  ::) ::) ::)

Plenty of your Mirrilees family buried in Cambusnethan cemetery + the old churchyard + the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill.
I'm just rushing out to a friend's funeral at the moment (not at Cambusnethan!) so I will post what I have later.
But, just to put you out of your misery, the following entry from the gravedigger's Day Book -

ALEXANDER MERRILEES, labourer, Glasgow, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Agnes Roger.
Interred in the old churchyard on 14th February 1879.

(I also found his wife, Rebecca Russel)
Much more to follow,

In haste,
Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: NZDawn on Tuesday 15 November 11 12:27 GMT (UK)
Kia ora Lodger

Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I think that Alexander Merrilees could be an uncle of the Alex I am seeking. He was a young person in the letters I have from the 1880s. I need to check my tree information for more details. Both parents were also still alive and working the orchard at that time.

It is great to know that I can find so many links. Having ancestors with an uncommon name seems to make tracing them easier, but I have learned not to jump to premature conclusions. I am especially hoping that I can find the location of the Trotter Bank orchard. There seems to be a possibility in the Overtown direction near the junction of the road to Law. Is that possible?

NZDawn
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 15 November 11 17:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Dawn,

I thought I'd cracked the case with that burial! Never mind, here's what else I found.
I should say that the "new" cemetery was opened about 1861 and is adjacent to the old churchyard at Cambusnethan village. The "Clyde" burial ground pre-dates the old churchyard and is the original parish graveyard, next to the river Clyde at Kirkhill. The original parish church was there until it was abandoned around 1648. The successor to this church, on much higher ground at Cambusnethan village, was itself abandoned about 1820 and sits in the "old churchyard".
So, although the burial ground at Kirkhill was used very infrequently as the centuries went on, the last internment there did not take place until the 1950s. But, it was only used by real old Wishaw/Cambusnethan families, also by farmers and orchard keepers on the Wishaw Estate. (Trotterbank would have been leased from Lord Belhaven of Wishaw House).
There were only 2 recorded burials at Clyde/Kirkhill in 1929.

From the Cambusnethan cemetery Day Book -

(all dates are of internment)

JANE S. NAPIER. Trotterbank Orchard, aged 11 weeks.
Parents - James S. Napier & Margaret S. Merrilees.
Interred in the new cemetery, plot D311. 15th April 1890.

AGNES MERRILEES, housewife, Trotterbank. Aged 65 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Smyth & Helen Hamilton.
Interred in the new cemetery, plot C316. 3rd August 1893.

WILLIAM MERRILEES, orchard keeper, Trotterbank, aged 78 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Merrilees & Agnes Roger.
Interred in C316. 10th April 1900.

Next, this is the Alex I've given you already but to keep it all together, he is interred in the old churchyard, the records do not exist for internments there prior to about 1875. For this plot however, there is a headstone with the following inscription (note the spelling)
"Alexander Mirrilees died 11th February 1879 aged 51 years. His wife Rebecca Russell died 6th January 1912 aged 85 years. There daughter Margaret Reid died 28th February 1871 aged 5 years".
From the plot book for the old churchyard, the owners of the above plot were Alexander Merrilees & Rebecca Russell.

All of the following were interred at the Clyde burial ground -

ROBERT MERRILEES. Farmer, Erskine Bank, aged 82 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees & Margaret Fleming.
4th September 1861.

ROBERT MERRILEES. Carter, Gowkthrapple, aged 49 years, married.
Father - Robert Merrilees. No mother's name stated.
16th October 1861.

AGNES MERRILEES. Housewife, Erskinebank, aged 78 years, widow.
Parents - William Roger & Agnes Kilpatrick.
15th June 1865.

ANN MIRRILEES. Gowkthrapple, aged 49 years, widow.
Parents - John Scott & Jane Cleland.
24th November 1866.

AGNES MERRILEES. Housekeeper, Wishaw, aged 64 years, single.
Parents - Robert Merrilees & Agnes Roger.
18th December 1879.

You don't mention a David in the family but this next one may be a son of Robert Merrilees & Ann Scott, especially as he is at the Clyde burial ground too.

DAVID MERRILEES. Wagon driver, Wishaw, aged 45 years, married.
Parents - Robert Merrilees and Ann  - - - - - . 
10th April 1878.
(I think David's wife may have been Agnes Prentice?)

finally, one of the 2 entries in the Clyde register for 1929 -

MARION MERRILEES, aged 68 years.
10th July 1929.

I'm pretty sure Trotterbank is still there, at the foot of the Brownlee braes near the junction of Horsely Brae between Overtown and Garrion Bridge. Erskine Bank is still there too, half-way up the Horsely Brae on the left.
I'll check the Cambusnethan registers again for any of the Merrilees clan I may have missed.

Also, I found this entry and wondered if perhaps the informant didn't know the correct names of her parents -
JANET STEEL. Wishaw, aged 72 years, widow.
Parents - John Merrilees and Janet Roger.
Interred in the old churchyard, 27th October 1913.

Lodger
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 15 November 11 18:18 GMT (UK)
Just a few more.

The Day Book entry for the wife of Alexander who died in 1879.
REBECCA MERRILEES. Housewife, 55 Crossburn Street Glasgow, aged 82 years, widow.
Parents - John Russell & Margaret Reid.
Interred in the old churchyard 9th January 1912.

This one is a possible - the fact that he is on a farm and is interred at the Clyde burial ground.
JOHN T. MERRILEES. Coltness mains, aged 2 years.
Parents - John S. Merrilees & Catherine Thomson.
Interred at Clyde, 26th April 1877.

These last three are all children of David Merrilees & Agnes Prentice and are all interred at the Clyde burial ground, Kirkhill.

STILLBORN FEMALE MERRILEES. Sneddon's Rows.
20th September 1864.

JOHN MERRILEES, Cambusnethan colliery, aged 3 years.
29th October 1874.

ELIZA C. WALLS, housewife, Wishaw, aged 21 years, married.
18th January 1881.

I think Sneddon's Rows were about Gowkthrapple - Overtown area (coal miners houses) and they must have been living in a colliery house when the 3 year  old died in 1874.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 15 November 11 20:53 GMT (UK)
This thread has been running now for many years and can be confusing for many wishing to make new enquiries sometimes because of its length.

A new thread entitled 'Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 2' is to be found here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,566572.0.html

Please use the new thread for all posts on the Cemetery.

Thank you  :)

Monica