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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Completed Requests => Topic started by: pandora on Sunday 07 November 04 02:27 GMT (UK)
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This is what appears to be the place name on my G.mothers death certificate as her place of birth ==Myuyddygowy, Carmarthen. Can anyone please tell me where this place is, it would be a great help. Many thanks
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whatever it is , it will not be spelt like that. At a guess, it may read "MynyddyGarreg" ( What looks like an "o" maybe an A and your "W" maybe R's, and the Y could be a G) , which is a place near Kidwelly I believe, which in turn falls into carmarthen.
The first part of your word is probably Mynydd y something. ( N's look like U's in many writing styles in those days. I don't know why they wrote the N's like that back then, but nearly everything I have and seen the N's tend to be written like the way U's are written today)
Maybe you could post up the image of the address part, and see if anyone can work out what it says. But Myuydd is all wrong in Welsh, it will most probably read Mynydd -y -"something"
The place called " Mynydd - y -Garreg" ("Mynyddygarreg), kidwelly area is my best guess ( but it could be Mynydd y "anything") at what it may actually read without seeing the writing
Hope that is of some help :)
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There are no registration districts in Caermarthen that could apply. Most of the places that begin with Mynydd are just that - hills or small mountains where nobody lived. There are a couple of parishes like Mynydd y Garreg [various spellings back then] or Mynydd y Betws. You should post the image here but the probability is that Cell is right.
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Thanks for youe help. The Kidwelly area sounds right to me. The address I remember from when I was a child was =14 New Houses, Trimsaran, Nr Kidwelly, Carmarthen, this was then changed to 15 Heol Morlais, Trimsaran, Pembray, Carmarthen, Sorry I cant post a picture, my scanner is playing up. THANKS ONCE AGAIN
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Scanner sorted, here is the extract. maybe you can understand it. thanks
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Hi,
its definitely Mynyddygowey, which written in separate words is Mynydd y Gowey.
As previously said, Mynydd is mountain. Gowey is the Anglicised spelling of Gowy, the river.
Translated it would mean "Mountain of the Gowy", which doesn't really make sense, and I couldn't find it anywhere either. I'm not an expert on Carmarthen though.
This is a list of parishes in Carms, from the Genuki site:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/indexpars.html
If I find out any more, I'll let you know.
D ap D
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Many thanks for your help, it seems that it is somewhere around Kidwelly area,but as I was only about 5years old when I lived there, the memory has faded a little. I have only just started my research and this site was my first port of call. I cant find anything on the 1901 cencus so its probably because I had the name spelt wrongly
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Is it possible that the person filling out the death cert could have got the place name where she was born wrong? Does that ever happen? Just another thought, idea.
I can't seem to find any Mynyddygowey or mynyddygowy either, I even tried a seach on the names in the historical directories site.. no results for either of those names that I found, with or without hyphens.
Have you tried finding a birth entry for her ( record offices or you can search the pay for view 1837 site ) so you can order her birth certificate? which may throw some light onto it. The birth cert should tell you the address of the house ( if born in a house that is) and where she was born
I've tried the free BMD but there seems to be no Mary Ann Harris's births listed for that year in Carmarthenshire on there.
:)
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I seem to have hit a brick wall, nothig comes up anywhere, so I am off to look at the Gov site, to see if that will help. thanks
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I'm pretty certain that this is Mynyddygarreg, a small village just outside Kidwelly in Carmarthenshire.
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Hi Cowslip, Many thanks for that information, that name sounds familiar, as I was only about 6years old when I lived in Wales and I am now very near 70, the mist of time has clouded the memory.
I am pleased to say that I have managed to contact a twice removed nephew,but he could'nt help with any information further back than his parents.
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Hi Pandora,
Pleased to hear you have made a link with someone.I visit Mynyddygarreg from time to time and have some elderly contacts there. Let me know if you would like me to check on anything for you.
Regards Cowslip
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Hi Pandora,this is definitely Mynyddygarreg just a few miles outside Kidwelly,in fact it's between kidwelly and four roads,where you mentioned trimsaran and pembrey are only a few miles apart,so this is definitly the one that you want,Regards gpaul
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Many thanks for the information. I recieved my grandparents marriage cert today, and I hit the jackpot after hours of searching.My grandfather was born in Bryncaerau, Trimsaren, Pembray, and my grandmother in Mynyddygarrag, Llangendeirne. Are these places close together? Now I am jaust starting to work backwards, but that is even harder. The Jones surname is a Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
Thanks again
Pandora
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Hi Pandora,Mynyddygarreg I think comes under the parish of llangendeirne,but is closer to kidwelly than llangendeirne,the distance between Trimsaran and Mynyddygarreg is about 4- 5 miles.Is Bryncaerau a name of a farm?
gpaul.
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Hi Pandora,Have a look at these websites you'll find trimsaran on here,plus all the other surrounding places you want. http://www.aboutbritain.com/maps/llanelli-map.asp
http://maps.google.co.uk/
gpaul.
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Hi gpaul, I don't think it is the name of a farm, because my granfathers and his father are listed as a coal miners. On my grandmothers death certificate, my grandfather is listed as colliery deputy whatever job that was, and this was probably at Trimsaren mine. I remember as a child being able to climb over the barrier at the bottom of the garden and walk a little way along the railway track to the shunting shed to watchthe engines. (with my grandfather, not on my own I was only about 5yrs old, now I'm ancient ) The last time I there in my teens it was all being open cast mined, probably all been built on now
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Hi Pandora
If you don't find the places on the sites gpaul mentioned, or you want more detail, you could try an address search on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Use the enlarged version once you have found a likely result.
I hope this helps, kind regards
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Pandora,sadly all the mining pits have closed around these areas,it's known as the Gwendraeth valley because the river, Gwendraeth Fawr (in english Fawr means big) runs through these villages.I'm from this area originaly, a little village called Pontiets just a few miles from Trimsaran,but now i live in Carmarthen.
paul
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Hi. im from Trimsaran. Bryncaerau is a street name in Trimsaran at the bottom end near Sardis chapel which is near the old coal yard you mention
paul