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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: suzyf on Saturday 30 September 06 12:19 BST (UK)
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Does anybody have any connections to these ?
John Park of Mansergh married to Elizabeth Airey of Sizergh Hall(a servant ?) in 1804 in Kendal
Their children I think include William born 1806 Kikby Lonsdale,Betty 1809 Kendal,Mary 1811 Kendal,Sarah 1813,Isabella,1816,Margaret 1820,Joseph1821,Nancy+Thomas 1826 all born Old Hutton.
I know that Elizabeth is from Dent and I'm assuming she is an Airey as this is the only marriage to a John Park I've found.
I have some of them from 1841 onwards(thanks to Isobel Russ )
I'd like to find out more about John Park who was a joiner according to his children's marriage certs.He doesn't apparently appear on 1841 Westmoreland census.By 1851 his wife is a widow.In 1841 she's Independent and living with a married daughter so he could be dead.
Any suggestions welcome.
Sue
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Hi
I have an Elizabeth Jackson, who married William Airey, and would like to know if there's a connection between our Tree's, i'm really stuck, with nowhere to go, i mean i am unable to trace this line because i have no leads.
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Hi
What kind of dates are you looking for ?
Sue
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I would like to find out if Elizabeth & John are connected to my Airey line..
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hi
You aren't likely to find a connection if you don't give a bit more information! When did your Elizabeth and William marry and where? Have you got the register entry or certificate? Have you got a census record for them? What children did they have? Every scrap helps.
Andrea
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If i had the information, i wouldn't be posting a request to have some help..
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Sorry to be pressing this but surely you must know something about them or how do you know they are part of your tree? Did you just pick them out of the ether? Jackson and Airey are very common names in that region. As Sue said - she needs dates to be able to consider whether they match up. We do our best to help but we are not mind readers - wish we were and then I could have got past a few of my brick walls!
Andrea
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No i did not just pick their names out of a jar, they are my ancestor's, which i am trying to piece together, i don't understand why anyone here can't get or come to understand that, as i said before i wouldn't be posting if i had any information, because i wouldn't need to, right...
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Actually i did tell you a little about them, but i can't continue on, i did give you their full names, how can that not be enough to go on with...
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Just to put this in context. The IGI on www.familysearch.org has 822 records for Elizabeth Jackson in Westmorland. When you consider that it is not full coverage of the county by any means it does make your search impossible with just names. That is why we "can't get or understand that" Sorry not to be able to help.
Andrea
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No matter how much i have told you, you can't seem to understand, that i can't go any further.
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What i have posted, is all that i can give you, sorry, i don't know anything more other than that...
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All i actually have is the date of when William & Elizabeth Married, and the names of a few of their Children, anything from William and Elizabeth's Children, to present i can share, but nothing from beyond William & Elizabeth's marriage.
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All i actually have is the date of when William & Elizabeth Married, and the names of a few of their Children, anything from William and Elizabeth's Children, to present i can share, but nothing from beyond William & Elizabeth's marriage.
Hi Twiglets
Perhaps if you set up another post with the details of William and Elizabeth's marriage and their children we can look at it separately from suzyf's post, then perhaps you will be able to link with her D
Rosie
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There is more info on this family on
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=263413f37010f296d7f21ecc36644e5c&topic=104806.0
Rosie
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That's a post which i created a few years ago, but thanks for finding and sharing it.
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Hi suzy
I'm a new member, and wonder if we might have a familial connection.
My husband's ancestors include Parks from the Kendal area, and I have Aireys marrying in from the 1830s upto the 1880s
For example, a Mary Park (b.1837, Heversham) married James Airey (b.ca 1831, Kendal) in 1861.
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Hi
I think they're probably different families ,but I have not been able to trace John Park's family.All I know is that he was born about 1784 and died 1836.The family lived mostly around Old Hutton near Kendal.Do you know Mary Park's father ? I've recently been looking at Park wills at the Lancashire Record Office to try and sort out who belonged to which Park family.
It didn't help me but might sort something out for you or other Park researchers .
Sue
As an update, I think these are the children of John Park(e) and Elizabeth Airey
Jane Park born Oct 14 1804 ,bap Kirkby Lonsdale 22 Dec 1806
married William Blamire Kendal 4 June 1827
William Park born Aug 11806 ,bap Kirkby Lonsdale 22 Dec 1806
married Margaret Mattinson 15 Sept 1828 Witherslack
Betty Park born April 12 1809 bap Apr 8 1810 Old Hutton
Mary Park bap Apr 8 1811 Old Hutton
married Edward Hoggarth 3 Nov 1834 Kendal
Sally Park Bap 12 Sept 12 Sept 1813 Old Hutton
Married Francis Stott 27 May 1833
John Park bap 18 June 1815 Old Hutton
Bella Park bap 29 Dec 1816 Old Hutton
married Anthony Sewart 1841
Margaret Park bap 14 Feb 1819 OLd Hutton
married Thomas Farrer Sedbergh 1841
Joseph Park bap dec 1821 Old Hutton
Married Mary Carr 1841
Nancy Park bap 1 Oct 1826 Old Hutton
Thomas Park bap 1 Oct 1826 Old Hutton,born 1824
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Hi Suzy
Mary Park's parents are William Park (b. 1 Aug 1806, Heversham) and Jane Hayhurst (b. 16 Nov 1814, Sedbergh). They married on 14 Dec 1831 in Heversham They had 20 children between 1832 and 1860. The 19th child, Jennet, lived until the 1930s, and my f-i-l knew her quite well.
William and Jane are my husband's great great grandparents. Robert Park (b. 1842) is his great grandfather.
I am still tracing back William Park, and have not yet got back to his parents or grandparents.
This is a list of the 20 children taken from a handwritten framed sampler done by one of the children. I think the actual birth place was Preston Richard, near Heversham. All were christened at Preston Patrick church
All birth dates are taken from the family sampler
Children of William Park (b. 1 Aug 1806) and Jane Park (nee Hayhurst, b. 16 Nov 1814)):-
Gilbert Park. Born 26 May 1832 Heversham. Christened 24 June 1832 Preston Patrick.
Married Mary Kendal 18 Februrary 1860, Kendal
Jane Park. Born 30 December 1833 Heversham. Christened 26 January 1834 Preston Patrick.
??married, not traced after 1851
Elizabeth Park. Born 28 June 1835 Heversham. Christened 26 July 1835 Preston Patrick
Married Thomas Dodd 1862
Mary Park. Born 13 July 1837 Heversham. Christened 13 August 1837 Preston Patrick
Married James Airey 1861
John Park. born 6 December 1839, Heversham. Christened 12 Jan 1840 Preston Patrick
Married Esther Cummings 1861
William Park. Born 2 June 1841 Heversham. Christened 4 Jul 1841 Preston Patrick Died 1862
Never married
Robert Park. Born 20 December 1842 Heversham. Christened 09 Apr 1843 Preston Patrick
Married Isabella Whitehead 1877 (daughter of Thomas Whitehead and Frances Mattinson)
Sarah Park. Born 6 March 1844 Heversham. Christened 07 Apr 1844 Preston Patrick
Never married
Alice Park. Born 3 August 1845 Heversham. Christened 12 Oct 1845 Preston Patrick
Never married
Isabella Park. Born 10 February 1847 Heversham. Christened 11 Apr 1847 Preston Patrick
Never married
Joseph Park. Born 1 July 1848 Heversham. Christened 06 Aug 1848 Preston Patrick
Married Mary ??? (>Mary Marshall)
Christopher Park. Born 2 July 1849 Heversham. Christened 05 Aug 1849 Preston Patrick
Married Mary Ann Dixon ca 1879
Catherine Park. Born 3 June 1850 Heversham. Christened 28 Jul 1850 Preston Patrick
Married Richard Dickinson 1872, Liverpool
Thomas Park. Born 14 July 1851 Heversham. Christened 02 Nov 1851 Preston Patrick. Died 1881
Never married
Margaret Park. Born 1 August 1852 Heversham. Christened 12 Sep 1852 Preston Patrick
Married Robert Atkinson 1876
Nancy Park. Born 3 November 1853 Heversham. Christened 11 Dec 1853 Preston Patrick
Not traced after 1871
Rachel Park. Born 21 November 1854 Heversham. Christened 21 Jan 1855 Preston Patrick
Married George Edward Scott 1891
James Park. Born 5 March 1856 Heversham. Christened 06 Apr 1856 Preston Patrick
Married Elizabeth M ??? (? Elizabeth Moore)
Jennet(t) Park. Born 1 February 1858 Heversham. Christened 07 Mar 1858 Preston Patrick
Never married
Vicesima Louisa Beatrix Park. Born 19 May 1860 Heversham. Christened 24 Jun 1860 Preston Patrick
Never married
The intriguing thing is that you have William Park born 1 Aug 1806, baptised 22 Dec 1806 Kirkby Lonsdale, married to Margaret Mattinson 15 Sep 1828
and I have William Park b 1 Aug 1806, Heversham, married to Jane Hayhurst 14 Dec 1831
I'll have to do quite a bit of digging I think!
sylvia
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Hi Sylvia
How lucky you are to have to have the sampler.
Bit of a coincidence about the Williams
Is that his date of birth or when he was baptised ? I assumed I had the right marriage for my William as one of the witnesses at the marriage is a William Blamire ,the name of his sister's husband but who am I to assume ..
Sue
ps If Jane and Gilbert Hayhurst were used for the names of William and Jane's oldest children, Elizabeth and John Park could be used as names for the next girl and boy.
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just an update
I think that it was William's birth date................ but I have not been able to confirm that or that he was the son of John Park and Elizabeth Airey. It is very probable ............. but I don't have the proof!
I do have the following information, obtained from obituary cards that were given to us, and from death certificates that I ordered ...........
William Park died 24 January 1869, age 62, buried Preston Patrick 28 January 1869. Cause:- Disease of the Kidneys. Informant, Gilbert Park
Jane Park died 17 February 1869, age 54, buried 21 February 1869, Preston Patrick. Cause:- Chronic Disease of the Heart. Informant, Gilbert Park
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Hi Sylvia
I,ve been looking at 1841 and 1851 census results for the area a William married to a Jane Park was at milton in Preston Richard both census's and in both census's a William married to a Margaret Park was at Miles cottage a ag labourer nr Witherslack theres some variations in ages on the census's. Quite interestingly theres a William Park in 1841 at Milnthorpe workhouse along with some Hayhurst children and a Robert Hayhurst 45 employed there as schoolmaster and margaret hayhurst 40 female servant. Christopher Park who married Mary Ann Dixon was a miller at How Head Mill at Lambrigg in1881 his wife was my gt gt grandfathers sister
Cheers Fellsman
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Hi Fellsman
I think I do have all the census information for the direct line of OH's Hayhursts. I may not have sibling marriages all correct.
The problem ............. and I am sure you know this ............ is that there are two branches of Hayhursts in Lancashire, Westmorland and Yorkshire.
They HAVE to be related, but no-one seems able to get back beyond about 1620 and connect the two branches.
Both branches have Gilbert, William and Christopher in every generation
All the men seem to prefer wives called Elizabeth
All are millers and farmers
All move back and forth between, basically, the Whittington area of Lancashire, and Milton Mill and Preston Patrick areas.
They have even been known to exchange mills.
It takes a great deal of care to be sure that one Hayhurst family in one census is the same family at the same mill in the next census!
The story is that the Hayhursts were Quakers, and subject to religious persecution, moving when it got too bad. Certainly Robert Hayhurst b. 1767 in Slaidburn, and OH's 4 x gt grandfather, was a devout Quaker who preached at Brigg Flatts Meeting House in Sedbergh, one of the oldest Meeting Houses in northern England (built 1675).
I can trace OH's family back to Cuthbert Hayhurst born ca 1725 in Slaidburn, Yorkshire, and be confident that I have the correct family.
Before that is Cuthbert Hayhurst who was on the second fleet of William Penn to Pennsylvania, sailing from Liverpool on the Lamb in 1682. Cuthbert & his family settled in Bucks County, Pa on Neshaminy Creek. He died 3/5/1683, in Bucks Co., of cholera six months after arriving in Pennsylvania. His descendents were mostly excommunicated later.
It is believed that most of the Hayhurst's in the US are probably descended from this Cuthbert Hayhurst (Hairst) ................ and his ancestors have been traced back by American descendents to a Cuthbert Hayhurst (Hairst) who was born about 1540 in Newton, Bolland, Yorkshire. All the families have been well documented by those American researchers down to the Pennsylvania Cuthbert.
I'm sure OH's branch could be traced back beyond 1725, but I cannot find the linkages!
cheers!
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Hi Sylvia
I am new to this site but have read that your husband is descended from Robert Park. Jane Park Roberts sister is my great great grandmother. I can supply information about her marriage and census whereabouts. She had six children and died in 1889.
Ruth.
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Hi Ruth
I usually do not do more with siblings than find who they married ...........
I have Jane Park born on 30 December 1833, and christened 26 January 1834 in Preston Patrick.
BUT I have obviously gone wrong with her marriage as I thought that she married Robert Ainsworth Mar quart 1853, registered Kendal.
However, the only proof of that marriage that I have so far is from several ancestry trees (I know!!), and censuses that have a Jane Ainsworth born in the correct area. Plus the Ainsworth children Ralph, Isabella, William Park, Mary and Robert Carr’s registrations on lancsbmd have mother’s maiden name as Park, registered Longton, Preston.
I really am only interested in the name of her husband, and the date and place of her marriage, if you would please let me have that information.