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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: foxjohnstone on Friday 03 November 06 18:38 GMT (UK)
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PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES IF I HAVE NOT REPLIED. THE FAMILY HAVE HAD A FEW TRAUMATIC EVENT RECENTLY WHICH HAVE MEANT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONCENTRATE ON RESEARCH. I SHALL HOWEVER HONOUR MY OFFER OF HELP, THOUGH I DO HAVE QUITE A BACK LOG. BEST WISHES, GEM 8TH MARCH 07
16th MARCH ;- GREAT SUCESS AT THE LIBRARY WITH SOME PEOPLES REQUESTS, I SHALL SEND DIRECT MESSAGES. I am back at The libary on Monday till Friday of next week ( Hubby has just retired from the army after 23 years .... now it's my time to abandon him for a bit !). I will check for new requests each day, but will get back to EVERYONE who has posted a request by Sunday of next week, Gem xx
Hi
My main passion is that of the British soldiers and their families in India.
I have lists of hundreds of name for birth/ marriage/ deaths ect in my collection.
I also have many books relating to india, including some cemetery books.
If you would like me to do a quick search for you please do not hessitate to contact me, you never know.... I may have some of your missing ancestors.
Best wishes
Gem
Please be aware that it make take upto 5 days for a reply as I lead quite a hectic life !
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Hi Gem
What a generous offer ;D
Can I interrupt your hectic life and ask if you have anything for the 1920s and 1930s?
I am struggling to find the deaths of William and Harriet LANE As far as I can ascertain, William b.1866 (who was in the Wiltshire Regiment) was posted back to Britain prior to WW1 but returned to live in India c.1920 after his demob.
regards
Myfi
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Hi Gem...does that offer extend to Burma?
Regards
Steve :)
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Hi Steve and Myfi
Yes I do have info on Burma .... Including a great picture of my Grandad coming out of the jungle after being stranded there for weeks !
Have you got a name to go on ?
Myfi, I shall check all of my records for the two people you are looking for. Failing that I shall be at the India Office at the end of the month. I shall look for the death records, and burial records for them if I do not have them in my collection.
Gem
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Hi Gem...I'm looking for Edward and Amelia Massey who were definately in Rangoon between 1898 - early 1901,i've got two children of theirs born in 1898 and 1900(Rangoon),unfortunately the only info i have for Edward was he was in the RA.
I can't find a marriage for them in this country and wondered if they were married in Rangoon,alas i don't know Amelia's maiden name.
Many thanks
Steve :-\
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Just so that you know .... here are a few of the surname 's I have info on;-
ALLISON , AVIETMALL, AARON , ANGELES , ALDRIDGE, ASHWORTH , ALFORD , AUSTIN , ADAMS , ANDERSON , ALDER , BUCKLEY , BURTON , BELL , BAKER , BARRACLOUGH , BYRNE , BOUTFLOWER, BERKELEY, BLISSETT , BREWSTER , BOND, BRADY , BRITTON, BASTIN , BEVAN , BLOODWORTH , BEVERLEY , BURGESS . BALLANTINE , CHADLUM , COLE , CAMPBELL , CLIFFE , CLOWES , COOPER , CHARLESWORTH , CLUTTERBUCK , CORNISH , COLEMAN , CHRISTIE , CLOUSTON , CONNOR , D'CRUZE , DULTON, DAW , DUNCAN , DEMONTO, DYTON, DENNIS, DAVID, DAUNCEY, DUFFIN, DONLEA, DOBSON, DAWN, DOUGLAS, DRIVER, ETHERIDGE, EVANS, EARLE, EDGAR, EDWARDS, FREDDERICKS, FLEURY, FLECK, FAWDRY, FERNANDEZ, FOSTER, FARMER, FARCET, FRANCIS, FISCHER, FAIRBAIRN, FORRESTER, FITZGERALD, FLOWERS, FLOREY, GALASHAM, GWYTHER, GRIGG, GRANT, GOMES, GODFREE, GOLMOUR, GOVAN, GRAHAM, GILCHRIST, GOWAN, GRAHAM, GREGORY, GARDNER, HENDERSON, HACKET, HEALY, HESELTINE, HANCOCK, HODGE, HARDY, HARRIS, HOOPER, HILL, HOGAN, HAMILTON, HUGHES, HOPKINS, HIBBERT, HUTTON, HALES, HALLIDAY, IREWIN , JOHNSTONE, JOHNSTON, JOHNSON, JONES, JACKSON, JACQUET, JACOBS, JACK, JEFFERIES, KENYON, KELLY,
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Strewth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve :o :o
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hi Steve
Was Edward in the Royal Horse Artillery or Just the Royal Artillery ??. I have some documents for my RA ancestors and they are at the India Office. I'm just going to check my Times archives as there may be a marriage announcement for Ed and Amelia, back in a minute.
Gem
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Don' know..all i have from the overseas births was the initials RA....bit of a bummer init ???
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Hi Steve
Lieut-Colonel North was in charge of the Artilley in Rangoon at the time Ed was there, so I will check his log book. Sadly Ed and Amelia did not announce their marriage to the London Times, so I shall have to check elsewhere. I will find Amelia's maiden name .... Hopefully it was Johnstone and you are one of my long lost cousins !!!!.
Gem
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Wouldn't that be a thing :o.Also like i said i couldn't find a marriage in this country but doesn't neccesarily mean they were married in Rangoon :-\
Steve
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MYFI
I am still looking.
All I have so far is Harriet Kate Lane dying on 14th Jan 1941, mother of Kathleen and R G McLaren Lane. However if this is her she would have reached a grand old age !!.
I have found nothing on William yet. But as he was in the Army for so long he must have reached a high rank . Any idea of his rank as sometimes names are put under this section without first names.
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Hi Foxjohnstone,
do you have any information on which British Regiments served in India between 1936-1942. My grandfather, who was a Kenyon, was in the army out in India at that time. I know he served in the North Staffs regiment but not sure if he was with them at that time.
regards,
gjil
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GJIL
It's nice to hear from someone with a surname related to mine.
Just out of interest was your Kenyon ancestor called James, Mary or Annie Georginia ?.
As for who was out there during these dates ..... loads of regiments. If you give me a name I can do a search.
Gem
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Hi foxjohnstone,
No sorry none of those names ring a bell. My grandfather was called, John (also known as Jack) Kenyon.
regards,
gjil
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Hi Gem
So kind of you to take the time to look
William LANE was a Sergeant in the regular army (Wilts Reg) when he married Harriet Annie Robin Le COCQ in Colaba, India in 1899...have had two searches done for his Army records at Kew, but they appear to either have been lost or mislaid...arrrg £££
He joined the Army Reserve (special reservist) in Oct 1914 and was a Sergeant when pensioned off through ill health in 1919 (I have his Army Reserve paper work)
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If you should come across any information on Amos Jackson or His wife Matilda Daykin before 1861 I would be very grateful.
Sue
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Hi Gem, Are you still doing look ups,If so I'm looking for:
EADON,
SHUBART,
MONAGHAN,
MOREY, Thanks Belle. :)
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Gem- have been looking for this branch of the family for some time without any luck but every now and then a little bit more turns up. Wonder if you have anything that fits:
Rev. Robert Gillespie died 8 June 1900 at Gillespiepur (village named after him), Borsad, Gujarat, India. Have photo of church and gravestone. First wife Kate Watters died sometime bet.1890-1898 (India or Ireland?). Six? children (born bet.1868-1890):
1. Rev. Samuel Gillespie (6 Dec.1869 Raijkote, Kathiawar, India-Mar.1928). Had son in Indian Army & daughter in South Africa.
2. Winnie Gillespie m.(bef.1900) ___Johnson or Jacob. In 1900 they were in Poona, India.
3. Edith Gillespie.
4. Maud Gillespie.
5. Gracie Gillespie.
6. Donald Stanley Gillespie (21 June 1890 Ahmedabad, India-aft.1918), youngest child. According to medal card was in Dorsetshire regt. and then 58th Rifles Indian Army (2nd Lt. then Capt.?).
P.S. (my grandfather's aunt was Robert Gillespie's 2nd wife and my grandfather named after her stepson Donald).
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Hi Gem,
Thanks for your very very kind offer. I would be so grateful if you could look up a marriage and two baptisms for me please. I notice you have the name COLEMAN amongst your list of names and wonder if you have anything relating to our COLEMAN family. The information I have is:-
JOHN COLEMAN b. 1849 Aylesford Kent (m) Bridget GIBBONS in about 1874/5/6 ish possibly in India. John Coleman was in the Royal Artillery and served in India/Burma & Arabia.
Oral family history is that he met Bridget Gibbons in India where she was a school teacher. But, as I found on the Census their first child was born in Burma this may not be the case.
We know little about Bridget other than she was possibly born at Brompton, Chatham, Kent, where her father may have been in the Royal Engineers (believe the 43rd Battn. Royal Engineers). However, I have not been able to find a birth cert. or baptism for her. Therefore, I don't know the name of her parents. John & Bridget returned to England in 1881 and John was posted to Pennar, Pembrokeshire; and later lived in Barry, Cardiff. According to the 1881 Census for Bleasby, Northants, they had two children overseas:
Annie Coleman born in about 1876 in Burma
Emily Rose Coleman born in about 1880 in Arabia
Re Annie, I came across the name Toungoo mentioned as her place of birth on a later census and I think this is a town somewhere between Rangoon and Mandalay, Burma.
I have not been able to find out where or when John Coleman married Bridget Gibbons nor where the two daughters were baptised.
I would be so grateful if you could have a look and see if you can find their marriage and any baptisms for me.
With thanks. June
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Nice one Gem,
Alice Martha GILES was born in London 21 Sep 1857. The next time I see Alice is in 1891 where she married George William Henry SMITH in Bombay, India.
Just dont know how she got there but would like to know if William Henry SMITH (sorry about that) was a soldier.
joboy
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Hi Gem
I hope you're still doing lookups, that's very kind
I have
Robert TOWNSEND (Wife Mary Ann) in India with the army from around 1852 till at least 1865
Regiment either 41st Foot or 93rd (Highlanders)
Children
Catherine (1849) married John Barnes in India 1866
Francis (1851), joined the 93rd when he was old enough, I have his papers
Mary Ann (1853) married Henry Wilson in India 1870
Matilda (1855) I'm hoping to find her marriage
Robina (1858) Never married died aged 33 in an accident
John born 1865 India, have his birth cert but I believe he may have died there as I can find no other mention of him with this family.
If you can help with either Matilda or John I'd be very grateful.
Sylvia
Have found another couple of possible daughters for Robert and Mary Ann on the IGI yesterday....
Ellen Alexander b1861 Pesawur, India
Agnes b 1863 Sealcote, India
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Just to let you all know ..... I have not forgotten about the requests. It has been a hectic couple of weeks. Please bare with me. I shall do all of the look ups on Friday evening.
Gem x
( ps, I am a happy bunny ..... just been e-mailed by a cousin 300 times removed !!....I was never very good at how to work out lineage!!)
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What a wonderful, generous offer!
I'm chasing Ann Rebecca Williams, born in Bellary in possibly 1833. She was married in Hong Kong in 1847, making her 14!!!, so the DOB could be wrong. Her father was James Williams, a soldier.
I do remember finding a Court Martial record for a James Williams in the correct time frame, in the area near Bellary, and that the regiment he was in was later posted to Hong Kong.
I have no other details than this sorry! I would be most grateful if you could have a quick squizz for me and see what you can dig up.
Thanks!
Kez :)
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Try this site for Lineage, very useful.
Belle. ;)
http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm
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Hi Gem
I don't know if you have any info which may help but we are looking for the marriage of William Herbert Jackson and Julia Leham. Julia died in India in 1887? (Presently at work and need to check exact year at home, but we have the cert) William was serving in the Royal Artillery. Their daughter Charlotte was born in 1886. We can find no record of their marriage in UK.
William went on the marry Clara Keefe in 1893, still in India, - we have the cert for that marriage -and they were my husband's maternal grandparents.
I am in contact with Charlotte's grandson and we have been looking with no success for William and Julia's marriage. We do know from her death cert that Julia was born in Ireland, so we're not sure where the marriage took place.
Hope you may be able to help. Many thanks
Ellen
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Hi Gem, :)
My enquiry is about a possible birth in India of a daughter Louisa Kate Short B circa 1865 .
She is recorded on the 1871 census for Scotland as age 6 and born England Lancashire, which is also incorrectly recorded for her parents George and Martha who where both born in Lincolnshire
George Short B 1832. He enlisted age 25 at Boston Lincolnshire, on the 10th December 1857 in the Royal Welch Fusiliers (35th Regiment); posted to Chatham in late 1858 He remained in India until discharge in 15th December 1867. (Sargent). Endorsed on Horse Guards on 5th March 1868
In 1868. A daughter, Georgiana was born while George and Martha where in London.
Louisa Kate appears to have been a witness to the second marriage, in India, of her sister Georgiana Gordon Lindfield. The name is very feint on the certificate apparently. (Or so I’ve been told) I do have a reference number for this certificate at the India Office.
George Died, aged 100 years and 7 months, in 1933 Belfast.
I hope you can find time to look this up for me. Much appreciated
Patricia
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I have a Duncan James Lamond married to Harriet Jane ?, parents of Duncan James Lamond2.
I HAVE Duncan Sr. military records, I am searching information on the family in the area of Ootacamund.
Duncan Sr. retired from the 72nd Highland Reg't (later 78th) to the "Madras Insane Asylum". He was about 56 years old at that time, Harriet (according to family lore) was a nursing sister there. There is a possibility that Duncan Sr. obtained employment there on his retirement from military service. I have the birth registration for Duncan Jr. He married Dorothy Ross of Delhi (an angloindian woman) and had three sons. Two immigrated to Ontario,Canada, one to North Carolina, USA.
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Hi Gem,
Could you check on a John Butterfield he was in the 2nd Batt South Lancashire Regiment he died in India on 1898 at a place called Jubblapore which is in Central India
hope this helps thanks
Jim
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Hello Gem,
I wonder if you could try to find something on my Gt Grandfather ' Pvt Willie Sweetzer ' who was with the 2nd Battalion The Duke of Edinburgh's (Wiltshire) Regiment. I believe he left for India late 1884 and returned mid 1891. Some actual dates would be absolutely brilliant.
Many thanks in advance
Gravy
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Hello Gem
I'm clutching at straws here, but wondering if your information was strictly Army personnel and their families or if it s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-s a wee bit to cover other Brits in India too??
I have 3 brothers who at various census just disappear, but when (I have found them their various occupations seem to be clerk/buyer for the East India Co.
I have one daughter in the 81 & 91 census whose birthplace is listed as "Overseas, British, India". The ages given are 11 & 21, so we could assume she was born c.1870.
She is Mary Wilson, and her parents were Thomas & Mary.
Any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Bren.
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Hiya Gem :)
Wow,this is very kind of you !!!!
My family ........
Augustine Ansboro Married Julia Henry about 1875ish,They had children..
Philomena b Kamptee 1878
agnes b Lucknow 1882
Florence b Nowshera 1884........(my grandmother)..Married Arthur J Judge 1906
Benedict b Rawalpindi 1887
Bernard b Aden 1889
Cecil b Jubbulpore 1891
2nd marriage to Minna Collins 1895... Now a Police Sergeant in Jubbulpore
All related to the army,or married army people
I am now at such a high brick wall.........i cannot get over and i am now at a Block ! :'(
Any info at all you may have on this family,will be most welcome
Again thankyou
Jacky xx :)
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Hi Gem,Thank you for your kind offer.
Would it be possible for you to have a look to see if you have anything on Walter Haswell Sugden and family?He married Abigail Mary Anne(ie) Ogston whilst he was out there and i believe they had a daughter-Daisy Violet- who was born in Lucknow1889.I have been unable to find out anything much about him after that.He was in the 17th Lancers.. Thank You in anticipation...Flo' :)
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Gem, a very generous offer, I really clutching at straws here but do you have any trace of Herbert (Bertie) Edgar Falls born about 1880 or his father William Thomas Barlow Falls born c 1855. I know Bertie ended up in Singapore but I'm not certain where in the Empire he started.
Many Thanks
Tim
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Hi Gem
This is very kind of you!
I hope you are still doing look ups.
I am trying to trace my husbands father. I understand he was born in Burma and was in the forces. He died when my husband was small and I only have a marriage certificate to go on.
His name was Victor George Smith and in 1958 he gives his age as 43 years. The certificate gives his father as George Smith (deceased) occupation head shipping clerk.
Many Thanks
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Hi Gem, Thank you for your offer. I have been trying to trace details of my ancestor Harriet Sophia Williams, father said to be Captain in Army in 1830's, mothers maiden name O'Day. Harriet borne about 1839 in India. Both parents died in China about 1850. Harriet and sister went to uncle in California and then on to Australian goldfields, died 1937 in Melbourne. Rumours in family that there were two brothers at school in UK when parents died and I am trying to confirm and trace. Fruitless search of British Army records at Chelsea Library lead me to believe that father was in an Indian regiment before British Army took control and that regiment sent to China about 1848/49. Any help appreciated. Watha
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What a wonderful, generous offer!
I'm chasing Ann Rebecca Williams, born in Bellary in possibly 1833. She was married in Hong Kong in 1847, making her 14!!!, so the DOB could be wrong. Her father was James Williams, a soldier.
I do remember finding a Court Martial record for a James Williams in the correct time frame, in the area near Bellary, and that the regiment he was in was later posted to Hong Kong.
I have no other details than this sorry! I would be most grateful if you could have a quick squizz for me and see what you can dig up.
Thanks!
Kez :)
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Gem
Could I take you up on your kind offer?
I am struggling to find information regarding the family of Richard Burrows Rodda who was a gunmaker of Calcutta.
He married Elizabeth Sheppard in Ludlow, Shropshire in 1833 and then went over to India.
He had four daughters in all - I do not think he had any sons.
Hannah Sophia Rodda - married John Tapp Dunn. The 1861 census puts her birth in America.
Elizabeth Inshaw Rodda - married Robert Taylor in India in 1853.
Clara Anne Rodda - married John C Liebenhals in Calcutta in 1864.
Lucy Emily Inshaw Rodda - born in Calcutta in 1853 - married Frank Gall in England.
Elizabeth Inshaw and Robert Taylor had a daughter Amy Elizabeth in Calcutta in 1854 and sometime before 1861 Robert died. Elizabeth's death certificate states Robert was a Cabinet Maker. Elizabeth's mother Elizabeth was also a widow by 1861 - they are living back in England and both are widows.
The confusing thing was that the IGI gives Richard's name as Richard Birt Rodda but it wasn't until today when I received his widows death cert that it gave his proper name as Richard Burrows Rodda - Gunmaker. I know there was a firm R B Rodda & Co in Calcutta who were one of the most famous gunmakers in the East and their guns are now worth quite a bit!
Any help you could give me would be great - ideally I would like to know when Richard and Robert died, and any information on the firm of R B Rodda would be lovely.
Many thanks
Regards
Alex
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Hi, My husband's family were out in India in the 1880's up to about 1957.
I've very little info about them, except that they seem to have had some connection with the railways out there.
William George Osborne (b.1853) married married Margaret Proctor (I believe in the UK) and they had 7 children who were all born in India - the eldest child was Amy, b.1880.
I have correspondance mailed to William with the address: The Retreat, Igatpuri G I (J?) P, India. There is also reason to believe they lived in Jubbalpore at some time.
Amy married a Sgt. Robert Harry Brown who was in the army and was probably stationed in India at the time. Someone sent me this entry which was found in the ecclesiatical records in the India Office Records at the British
Library:
Robert Harry Brown, 29, bach. Armourer Sgt at Deolali. father: Robert
Harry.
Amy Osbourne, 22, spinst. Igatpuri. father: William George (a
witness).
Married 8.7.03, St Mathias, Igatpuri.
She died in 1917 from a brain tumour and he died in the Influenza epidemic of 1919, leaving their six children to be raised by their maternal grandparents.
I'm not sure how to get any further information , so far I have drawn a blank.
Is there any other way I can find out about Amy's birth registration and that of her siblings?
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Hi Gem
Would be extremely grateful if you could look up William Leonard TYTE.
All I have on him is that he was born in Yeovil Somerset in 1879. From his medal card it states that he served in the Royal Field Artillery as Bombardier then Corporal. Indian Army as Captain and Indian Army Reserve of Officers as 2nd Lieutenant.
Any info would be great. Thanks
Eve
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Hi Gem,
Hoping you may be able to point me in the right direction?
My GGrandfather Ernest William Morley-Atkins was born in Punjab India in 1884. His father Ernest Morley-Atkins was a British Surgeon working in India. On Ernest William's Marriage(03/03/1914 Cairns, Queensland, Australia) and Death certificate's (26/09/1914 Cairns, Queensland, Australia) his father is listed as Ernest Morley-Atkins and mother Ellen Miles.
Ernest William committed suicide 2 weeks after his wife(Alice Mona May b.1887 Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia. d. 16/09/1914 St Margaret's Private Hospital, Cairns, Queensland, Australia) died from complications giving birth to twins(Wendy Mona, my grandmother and Kenneth Murray, Great Uncle) the twins were adopted by two families, however, they kept in touch with each other.
The only information we have are letters from the Matron in Charge of the hospital where my GGrandmother died.
Information from Matron Walpole's Letters:- Ernest William entered the Navy in the usual course, at the time when he should have been a Junior Lieutenant his ship was at Teneriffe. The story of Nelson's flag which was kept in the Cathedral drew the attention of some of these young men and they planned to retrieve it. They were caught in the act and arrested by the Spanish. The incident was reported to the British Government and the consequence was their parents were requested to remove them from the Navy. He didn't feel he was badly treated, but he realised it had spoiled his life. His father was an Army Doctor in India and he was sent as a baby to an Aunt in England. He had a brother who went into the Army but he may have died at the outbreak of the Great War. In India he broke his wrist riding in Polo, which came against him.
Any help on how I would start to track down information would be great.
Thank you all in advance 1st time on this list not sure if I given to much information or too little.
Chris
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Hi Gem, what a generous offer!
My Great-Grandfather John Cormack Mackenzie left the UK sometime after 1905 and lived in Burma, possibly around Thayetmyo. My Grandmother, Maisie Mackenzie was born in Burma in 1911.
John was a member of the Indian civil service and at some time prior to 1917 lived in India. I have found a record of him leaving the UK again in 1917 bound for Rangoon and his previous place of residence is given as India.
Any info would be gratefully received!
Bec, Australia
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Can I ask you please about one of the surnames you have quoted GRANT
I am trying to find out if an ancestor of mine was in India (possibly an army man) his name was GEORGE NELSON GRANT b 1870 in Derby
Could this be the holder of the Grant surname you have
If you could solve this for me,I wouldbe so grateful, thank you
aka Maud
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Hi Gem,
My grandfather, Lionel Kingsley Cooper (British) I believe was a Captain in the Indian Army Reserve attached to the Works Directorate (engineer) around 1917/1918 before moving onto Iraq posting. Any army record?
He married a British army nurse, Annie Ethel Jones in Dec 1917 at Christ Church, Byculla, Bombay - Would there be a more detailed record available to confirm this?
Their first child, Annie Ethel Charlotte was born in August 1918 in Bombay. Any records?
Any help appreciated, Tim
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HI, I HOPE THE OFFER IS STILL OPEN, IF SO, I AM LOOKING FOR WILLIAM HAWKINS.[MY GREAT GRANDFATHER] .I DO NOT KNOW THEIR FIRST NAMES BUT MY GRANDMOTHERS SISTER WAS MARRIED TO A......COOPER AND A .....IRONS.I THINK THEY WERE IN THE HUSSAHS.NANA'S SISTER WAS EDITH I THINK?THANKS FOR ANY HELP RICOBA
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Hi
As far as I know, I think ancestor GEORGE NELSON GRANT would have been in British India,but not totally sure, I know so littleabout him
only that he was born in Derby and his father was named also George Nelson Grant b.1841 in Edinburgh Scotland
I think son was in Fechny Industrial School in Perth Scotland, and may have joined the army upon his discharghe from there. Unfortunately no records from 1881 are available now, and this was where I had traced him to in 1881
Hope the above inform,ation is sufficient to identify him?