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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Shetland => Topic started by: foggyjano on Sunday 21 January 07 16:51 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the birth of a Robert Moar who married in 1908 - so i think he was born around 1888-1880. I first thought he was born in Edinburgh but have been told since he was born on the Isle of Skye. He was a policeman in Edinburgh
I have put Isle of Skye in the google serach engine but just keeping getting Skye-Kin, are these the only people who have access to the births on skye?
Thanks Jan
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Hi Jan,
All Scottish BMD (within date limits) are available pay per view.
All the info can be found here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Pre 1855 baptisms will be available on films at LDS or some libraries and some users may have access. But anything post then will cost a cuople of £ to view.
All the best,
Pam
:)
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Thanks Pam for the info and the links.
Yikes I am no good on pay per view sites.. I wasted a whole 10 credits in a few seconds because i didnt know what i was doing, so it really scares me how much it will cost me to find things out... :-\
I had a look at the scotland gro site and it was not easy to understand as i thought it could be, maybe it is just me being thick! I will have to get my bearings getting round the site so that i dont waste any credits.. .
Jan
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I had a quick look for 1875-1890 for him with soundex but couldn't get a hit (only 1 unit mind ;) )
Are you sure it was Skye?
Gadget
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...However I have found 5 Robert Moar's born 1880 - 1890:
1890 Andrew Robert - Yell, Shetland
1880 David Robert - Yell, Shetland
1884 - John Robert - Sandwick, Orkney
1888, Robert - Plantation, Glasgow
1881 - Robert Flint - Leith, Edinburgh
Gadget
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to help in the search -
Did he die in Scotland?
What were his children called - in birth order if poss ?
Gadget
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Going by this thread, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,208877.0.html, Robert Moar married Eliza Taylor in 1908 and their son was another (?) Robert Flint Moar in the same year. I found the Leith one too, I think this is the most probable one. :)
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Yes he married Eliza Taylor in 1908, in prestwich, Manchester. They had a son Robert Flint Moar in the same year (naughty naughty) and they also had a child jessie in 1910 also born Prestwich.
Robert Flint Moar senior died in Manchester, but no one is sure of the year. I have not been able to find his death on the lancashire bmd(yet)
My husband has just got back from his mums and he has the marriage cert between Roberts daughter Mary Moar born Prestwich 1912. It gives Roberts profession as retired police officer. The marriage was in 1933... so if he was the Robert born in Leith he would be 52, so that seems likely doest it?
Thank you for your kind help and suggestions
Jan
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Thanks Hume :-*
The Robert Flint Moar, b. 21 November 1881, Leith. Parents were - Samuel Bruce Moar, carrier and Mary Flint. Married, Edinburgh, Oct 11th 1875.
Gadget
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Thanks Hume :-*
The Robert Flint Moar, b. 21 November 1881, Leith. Parents were - Samuel Bruce Moar, carrier and Mary Flint. Married, Edinburgh, Oct 11th 1875.
Gadget
The more you find out the more it seems it is the Leith Robert Moar, so god knows where Isle of Skye comes into it, I wonder if Samuel was from Isle of Skye and that is where the confusion is in the family... cos me and hubby think the Leith Robert Moar is the right one.. I mean how many Robert FLint Moars can they be, it is an usual name isnt it...
Thank you to you both.... I wish i was as resourceful, maybe one day i will be!
Jan
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Children that i have found so far
Robert Flint Moar born 1908 Prestwich,
Jessie Moar born 1910 born Prestwich
Mary Moar born 1912, born Prestwich
Hilda Moar but not sure of her dob yet.
He married Eliza Taylor who was from Rugley in Staffs in 1908 in Prestwich.
So he was defo in the Manchester area in 1908 but where he was before is a ?
He died in Manchester but not sure what year, I have not been able to find it on the bmd yet.
Do you think I could adopt Robert Flint Moar from leigh as 90%? given the unusal name?
thanks
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Hi Jan
On the 1881, Samuel Bruce Moar was born Mid Yell, Shetland. He was 26 in 1881 and aletter carrier. Would you like the full transcription?
Gadget
PS - I'd adopt him ;)
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Well, here they are in 1881:
1881 692/2 ED 5 Page 34
4 Gordon Street, South Leith, Edinburgh
Samuel B Moar, hd, mar, 26, letter carrier, Mid Yell, Shetland
Mary, wife, 30, b.Hutton, Berkshire, England
Isabella J, 4, b. Edinburh
Elizabeth G, 3, b. Edinburgh
Andrina, 1, b. Edinburgh
Archibald Bathgate, boarder, unm, 22, Brass finisher, b. England.
Gadget
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Awh thank you gadjet...
If it is going to cost you money, dont do any more searches, i feel guilty if it is costing you credits, but i am going to adopt him..lol.. he fits well doesnt he, i think the name is a plus giving it not being "normal" name like smith or jones.....
my kids cannot belive this family history stuff.. they have welsh from my side and scottish from their dad side, with a little staffordshire and lancashire thrown in...
I appreciate all your efforts...
Jan
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I have only used 7 credits (£1.40) - now you're on your own ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They should be in Edinburgh in 1891 - try a search ;)
Gadget
PS - as a Welsh/Scot, have a dram on me ;D
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My scottish history is poor.. Where is Mid Yell, Shetland? Is it in the highlands? Is it near Isle of Skye? Archibald..lol... I had forgotten that was a name,, not heard it for a long time..
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Here's a map:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-orkney.htm
I think they're Norwegian ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gadget
(Think this thread could be moved to either Edinburgh or Shetland ;) ;) ;) ;) )
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Can i send you 1.40? I really appreicate you doing this for me...it just occured to me that it must be costing you credits cost the scottish is not free on any other search engines... at first i thought it would be on Ancestry or Find my past but it isnt is it THANK YOU SO MUCH. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jan...
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wow, i didnt realise the islands were so many and so big. I am afraid the furthest i have beenin Scotland is Inverness, Edinburgh and St Andrews....
I have defo adopted Robert and Samuel as my inlaws!!! off to search the census now!
Thank you once again... you have been great
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Sees ya come to our Scottish meet then -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206729.0.html
And if you're Welsh, you're extra welcome ;)
You could also search for Samuel on the IGI - www.familysearch.org but if you check out that marriage in 1875, you'll get the names of both Mary and Samuel's parents.
Gadget :)
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I want to let you do a little yourself but here you go: ;D
- SAMUEL BRUCE MOAR
Birth: 10 FEB 1855 Mid And South Yell, Shetland, Scotland
Parents: ANDREW MOAR and ELIZABETH GRAY
It's an 1855 birth so lots of information! You can get this on ScotlandsPeople. It'll tell you the parents, where and when they married and also where they were born. More info includes how many children had been born at the time of Samuel's birth and whether they were alive/deceased. :)
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Can i send you 1.40? I really appreicate you doing this for me...it just occured to me that it must be costing you credits cost the scottish is not free on any other search engines... at first i thought it would be on Ancestry or Find my past but it isnt is it THANK YOU SO MUCH. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jan...
Just seen this - don't be daft :) Added to explain - I was showing how few units you need to get lots by using Sp/IGI/local records to find ancestors ;)
Hume - Jan's the lucky one with the 1855 birth :o :o :o
Jan - 1855 births had even more info than normal for Scotland ;D
8) 8) 8)
Gadget
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Hume - Jan's the lucky one with the 1855 birth :o :o :o
You're right there. Now only if my family had a child in 1855 (or married/died, of course), might makes thing easier. ;D I think I've had every year but '55! *sigh* Maybe another branch...
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well a glasgow meet seems a good excuse to explore a part of scotland i havent been to and i get to talk family history to people who dont think i am being boring! ... will get Hubby on the case...
If i can ever repay you for some research in Manchester let me know, I can get to Peel Park Library easy enough.
You have found out loads on Robert Moar, he has the same attraction to me as my Noah Thomas does, isnt it funny how someone becomes your favorite person in your ancestors even if you have never met them or seen a picture of them...
Oh i cannot wait to tell the rest of the family, I wanted to update Ancestry and it keeps saying they are updating.. arghhhhhhh
So I am lucky that 1855 has lots of info... I need to digest all this info, it is so exciting. I didnt realise Family History could be so exciting. I love reading about the 1800's, it is my favorite period of history but to find names and things about your own family is fab.
Thank you so much
Jan
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Fantastic work on this family!
Do you want Samuel in 1861?
ED: 2 p12
Mid Yell Shetland
[56] 8 Reafirth
MOAR
Andrew Head 41 Far and Fisherman (some other text I can't read) bn North Yell
Elizabeth Wife 42 bn Mid Yell
Grace dau 17 bn Reafirth
William son 13 bn Reafirth
William David son 8 bn Reafirth
Samuel B son 6 bn Reafirth
Andrina Ursla dau 4 bn Reafirth
Margaret dau 1 bn Reafirth
Happy to get 1851 and 41- costs nowt :)
Also meant to say it is worth contacting the Shetland FHS as they are very very helpful. They helped me on a wildgoose chase I was on a while back...
http://www.shetland-fhs.org.uk/
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Go on then Pam ;D
Keep up the Welsh/Scottish bit going.
Gadget ;)
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Fantastic work on this family!
Do you want Samuel in 1861?
ED: 2 p12
Mid Yell Shetland
[56] 8 Reafirth
MOAR
Andrew Head 41 Far and Fisherman (some other text I can't read) bn North Yell
Elizabeth Wife 42 bn Mid Yell
Grace dau 17 bn Reafirth
William son 13 bn Reafirth
William David son 8 bn Reafirth
Samuel B son 6 bn Reafirth
Andrina Ursla dau 4 bn Reafirth
Margaret dau 1 bn Reafirth
Happy to get 1851 and 41- costs nowt :)
Also meant to say it is worth contacting the Shetland FHS as they are very very helpful. They helped me on a wildgoose chase I was on a while back...
http://www.shetland-fhs.org.uk/
Wow Pam.. Thank you so much... Yes please if it doest cost anything, I would appreciate it... what a wonderful day.
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1851
ED: 2 P:6
Shetland, Mid Yell
Address: Reafirth
Andrew More Head 37 Farmer and Fisherman bn North Yell
Elizabeth More Wife 33 bn Mid Yell
George C More Son 9 bn North Yell
Grace More dau 7 bn Mid Yell
Peter More son 5 bn Mid Yell
William More son 3 bn Mid Yell
Ann Inkster Serv 21 House Servant bn Windhouse
:)
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Not 100% sure in 1841 Andrew's age seems mighty rounded down - but it could happen.
North Yell, Shetland
ED 1 P 8
Brakon
Catherine Moar 52 Y
Catherine Moar 24 Y
James Moar 22 Y
Alexander Moar 20 Y
Andrew Moar 15 Y
Johannah Moar 13 Y
Wilhelmina Moar 11 Y
Margaret Moar 8 Y
Can't find any other family that could fit? It's not yours directly as Andrew is living with Catherine jnr in 1851. I'll leave them crossed out as they may fit on a collateral line.
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So the pendulum swings forward again...
1851
North Yell, Shetland
ED 3 P 6
Faxigarth
Andrew Moar Head 63 bn North Yell (no occupation given)
Catherine Moar Wife 66 bn North Yell
Not your Andrew's parents.
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I found this christening, not sure if it might help in census records?
- ANDREW MOAR
Christening: 09 MAY 1819 Fetlar, Shetland, Scotland
Parents: JAMES MOAR & MARGT. SPENCE
Someone's submitted also:
- ANDREW MOAR:
Christening: 09 MAY 1819 North Yell, Shetland, Scotland
Parents: JAMES MOAR & MARGT. SPENCE
Just going by the 1851 birthplaces. :)
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A possible James Moir bpt 15 April 1792 Fetlar. Father Robert Moir
Gadget
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Hmmm - just saw your post hume - I've scored out the Andrew snr & CAtherine entries as I don't think they are our Andrew's parents-- but if itturns out they are connected then Andrew died post 1861.
Other Moar data here...
http://www.cursiter.com/txt-exe-files/Moar.txt
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1841
ED 1 P 3
North Yell
Address: Gloop
James Moar 50 Mason Y
Margaret Moar 53 Y
Mary Moar 45 Y
James Moar 25 Y
John Moar 18 Y
Mary Moar 17 Y
William Moar 14 Y
Wilhelmina Moar 10 Y
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1851
ED 1 P7
Gloup, North Yell
James Moar head 61 farmer & mason 5 1/2 acres bn North Yell
Margaret Moar wife 62 bn North Yell
Mary Moar Sister 55 farm Servant bn North Yell
James Moar JR son 34 farm Serv & Fisherman bn North Yell
Mary Moar dau 24 Employed On Farm bn North Yell
Margaret Blance dau in law 22 Farm Work & Domestic Duties bn Delting Shetland
Wilhelmina Moar dau 18 Employed On Farm bn North Yell
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Got a bpt for Margaret Spence, 29 Oct 1786, Fetlar. Father - James Spence.
A poss :-\
Gadget
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In 1841 there is an Andrew Moar born in 1820 in Scotland living in Westminister, Middlesex.
But he's a baker. Living with other bakers at Galston Road. CAn't seem to follow him through to 1851?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How over the moon am i? I have come home from first day back in work ( been off six weeks, chest infection on top of my normal "illness") was so tired and sore but you have made me sooo Happy, Excited and Thrilled at your detective work.. wow... I wish you could see my face...
I know this is deemed shouting but THANK YOU SO MUCH
What kind and clever rootchatters detectives you are... off to play with the info you have given me.
I have entered some in Ancestry and already the leaves are flashing at me!!! There is a possible one world tree member with James Moar/Robet Moar down on their tree...hehehheeh but I dont transcribe to the world tree, hopefully they will contact me!
Thank you Thank you
Jan
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Dear All, looks like Robert Flint Moar was my Grandfather and his children were Jessie, Mary, Flint, Maggie and Hilda. He passed away around 1950, before I was born in 1952, at Marsland Street South, Cheetham Hill, near Salford, Manchester, shortly after my Grandmother Eliza passed away. I have'nt lived in England since 1985 and a lot of the family history got lost when people pass on without documenting the details. I have no knowledge of any earlier family tree details after my Grandparents and little knowledge of them on either side of the family. I will try and find out more and appreciate being copied on what is found.
Thanks and regards, Robert Rogers
PS Thanks to Jan, Hume and others, great information!