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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: sigmund on Saturday 27 January 07 16:39 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone please help? I am looking for any information on Johanna Jarrold who was born in Suffolk about 1820 and married Richard Stone in 1843 in Islington, London
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Hi Sigmund,
Do you happen to have the marriage certificate to check her father's name?
I can't see an exact match but I can see this family for instance
St Mary, Suffolk
HO107/1042/6 29 4
Thomas Jarrold, 52, Carpenter
Elizabeth, 53
Hannah, 20
George, 20, Carpenter
Elizabeth Plain?, 1
Do you hink she's a possible? :-\
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Many thanks Tati, I do not have the actual marriage certificate, but this looks like a good line of inquiry.
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Hi sigmund,
Here is a transcript copy of their marriage. If you would like I can send you the image, if you provide me with an email address.
1843. Marriage solemnized at The holy Trinity Church, in the Parish of St Mary Islington in the county of Middlesex
Richard Stone, 23, bachelor, Tallow Chandler of Buckingham Street, Strand, son of Richard Stone, Tallow Chandler
Johannah Jarrold, 24, spinster of Felix (?) Place, daughter of William Jarrold, Farmer
Richard Stone (Signed)
Johannah Jarrold (the mark of)
Witnesses: Sarah Bristow, Frederick Bristow
Matt
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Hi, this on the Eng & Wales christening records:
Name: Hannah Jarrold
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1 Jun 1819
Christening Place: Suffolk, England
Father's Name: William Jarrold
Mother's Name: Gemima
Diddy
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there is a tree on A* (details to check) with:
William Jarrold 1786 Risby,suffolk - 1848 Thingoe = Jemima Bridge 1786 -1846
children:Amelia Jarrold 1811 – 1882 David Jarrold 1815 – 1898 Sarah Lyes 1817 – 1902 Sarah Jarrold 1817 – Hannah Jarrold 1819 – 1840
so (Jo)hanna could have been born Risby/Thingoe area
Diddy
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just realised it says that Hannah died 1840!! so either some wrong info or its quite a coincidence of names!
A* tree have been known to be wrong....
Diddy ???
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On 1851 Census Johanna's birthplace is given as Halston, Suffolk - this should read Harleston.
Found some random entries on the IGI:
Julia Anna bp.27/8/1826 Halston, dau. of William Jarrold
Joseph bp.7/7/1822 Halston (states Harleston on 1851 Census) son. of William Jarrold and Mary Parmenton
Jane bp./16/6/1816 Harleston, dau. of William and Mary
Jemima bp.27/6/1824 ditto
In 1851 William shown as a Gamekeeper, age 57, born Onehouse, Suffolk, wife Mary (born Harleston) transcribed as aged 68 but think this should be 58 - they have with them a son Elijah aged 15 born Shelland.
They are living in Great Finborough, Suffolk - ref. HO107-1794-481-17.
In 1841 they are also in Great Finborough, Suffolk - ref. HO107-1035-4-5-5 - name transcribed as JARRALL
William Jarrall 45 Gamekeeper
Mary Jarrall 46
Joseph Jarrall 18 Ag. Labr.
Job Jarrall 12
Mary Anne Jarrall 9
Elijah Jarrall 6
IGI shows marriage of William Jarrold to Mary Pammerton 8/11/1813 at Onehouse, Suffolk. Being a Suffolk lass I think the 2 odd spellings of the surname should actually read Parmenter.
So, William in 41/51 was a Gamekeeper not farmer - perhaps a farmer before that though.
Annette
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Well done Annette :D
Onehouse (one'us), Shelland and Harleston are three tiny parishes close to Stowmarket.
Pat ...
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Hid Diddymiller
What does the 'tree on A*' mean? I have not come across this before.
Regards
sigmund
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Jonna (Johannah) Jarrold was my great great great grandmother , born 1819 Suffolk. She married Richard Stone in 1843, Isligton. They had 5 children. I have been researching Jonna on and off for 10 years, after my wonderful Grandmother (now deceased) gave me a beautiful glass bowl that apparently was Jonna's and had been passed down through 3 generations, then to me. It is one of my most prized possessions. I have quite alot of info and some certificates. Would be happy to share it with you. What is your interest in Jonna ?? Are you related ? Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Sigmund, there is a family tree accessible to subscribers on Ancestry.
sounds like you might not need it anyway if Miss pookie comes up trumps! ;D
Diddy
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Hi
also see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,455858.0.html
to avoid duplication of information
Regards
Valda
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My Grandmother, Florence Stone was born in1891. Her father was Henry John Stone who was born in1849 in Lambeth ,which at that time was in Surrey, and married Isabella Raulins (Rawlins) in August 1873 Their other children were Richard, Oliver, Evelina. and Mary Henrietta. I suspect that Henry's father was Richard Stone who was married to Johanna Jarrold. Can anyone confirm this?
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Hi
So this marriage
4th August 1873 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Henry Stone Full, Bachelor, Mail Driver, Waterloo Road, Richard Stone Cabman
Isabella Rawlins Full, Spinster, Waterloo Road, Jmaes Rawlins, Dead
Both signed
Witnesses Oliver and Evelina Cowley
Consistently Henry on children's baptisms
3rd October 1875 St John the Baptist, Clerkenwell
Mary Caroline Stone parents Henry and Isabella, 7 Wateloo Place, Clerkenwell Place, father's occupation Royal Mail Driver
4 further baptisms at St Philip Clerkenwell
Henrietta 1879
Richard James same date
Oliver Charles 1881
Evelina 1887
On the 1881 census Henry John aged 31 born Lambeth a cab driver RG11 350 folio 31
On the 1891 census Henry aged 41 born Southwark, general labourer RG12 224 folio 111
1901 census John aged 49 born Clerkenwell, cab driver RG13 253 folio 22
possibly birth registration
Births Jun 1848
STONE John Henry South St George 4 477
1851 census HO107 1569 folio 440
1 Cottage Place Lambeth
Richard Stone 37 Head Married Cab driver St George Surrey
Caroline Stone 26 Wife Married Limehouse Essex
Caroline Stone 4 Daughter Lambeth Surrey
Henry Stone 1 Son Lambeth Surrey
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
That was extremely helpful in confirming the information that I had. Thank you very much indeed. What I am trying to establish, however, is whether this Henry Stone - my great grandfather - was the son of Richard Stone and Johanna Jarrold and whether he was the one who Richard Stone was said to have brought back from Australia.
Regards
sigmund
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Hi
Have you obtained the John Henry birth certificate?
The evidence points to John Henry/Henry John being the son of Richard Stone and his wife Caroline, the cab driver of the 1851 census in Lambeth (same occupation as on his son's marriage certificate)
John Henry/Henry John's sister Caroline's marriage details at the same church and the same address.
19th December 1865 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
James Watmore Minor, Printer, Ann Street, Charles Watmore, Printer
Caroline Stone Minor, Waterloo Road, Richard Stone, Cab man
Both Signed
Witnesses Robert Jones and Emily Leonora Edwards
1871 census RG10 373 folio 17
15 Mount Pleasant St Andrew Holborn
James Watmore 24 Head Married Letter press printer London Middlesex
Caroline Watmore 24 Wife Married Southwark Surrey
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
That was enormously helpful. If my Richard Stone was married to Caroline then he was not the Richard Stone married to Johanna Jarrold. You have saved me pursuing a false trail.
Thank you
sigmund
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Hi Sigmund,
It's a shame the Richard you are looking for isn't Johannah's Richard as I found the piece of pottery in the attachment on the Thames foreshore yesterday.
Best wishes,
Simon